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Microsoft Responds to 'Save XP' Petition

samzenpus posted more than 6 years ago | from the we-like-the-old-ways dept.

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DaMassive writes "Computerworld Australia is running a story with a response from Microsoft to Infoworld's SAVE XP petition Web site, which has gathered over 75,000 signatures so far. Apparently Microsoft is aware of the petition, but says it is "listening first and foremost to feedback we hear from partners and customers about what makes sense based on their needs, that's what informed our decision to extend the availability of XP initially, and what will continue to guide us" — a somewhat strange response given that the vast majority of people signing the petition ARE Microsoft customers! The Save XP movement has attracted the attention of the software giant, despite its claims that Vista has sold more than 100 million copies and its adoption rate is in line with the company's expectations. "We're seeing positive indicators that we're already starting to move from the early adoption phase into the mainstream and that more and more businesses are beginning their planning and deployment of Windows Vista," the company said. Nevertheless vendors such as Dell, Hewlett-Packard, Lenovo, Fujitsu, and more recently NEC, all offer the opportunity to downgrade to XP Pro."

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FRISTY POSTTY!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22328448)

Yeah

Re:FRISTY POSTTY!!! (2, Insightful)

Macthorpe (960048) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328602)

Troll you may be, yet I think I'll find this comment slightly more insightful than the avalanche of "durhurhur XP is an upgrade" comments that about 30 people will think they're original and/or funny by saying.

OH GOD (5, Funny)

barkeyrogers (953147) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328450)

So what they are basically saying is, directx 10 costs $300 and youll never ever have it without ruining your computer

Re:OH GOD (3, Interesting)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328468)

I thought there was some efforts by third parties to get directX 10 running on Windows XP. Does anybody know if any progress has been made on that front?

Re:OH GOD (1)

mrxak (727974) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328544)

I know I can play Halo 2 on XP using a third-party tool that basically tricks Halo 2 into thinking it's on Vista. I'd link to the site, but I just checked and it's been taken over by advertiser domain squatters.

Re:OH GOD (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22328754)

Not gonna happen anytime soon. The games that were hacked are ones that ask for a DX10 interface but only use DX9 features.

DX10 depends on the different video architecture in Vista to work correctly. Look up the Wikipedia article.

Re:OH GOD (3, Insightful)

i.of.the.storm (907783) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328624)

Except for the part where Vista Home Premium costs around $200, and $100 if you get it OEM when building a new computer (or not, newegg really doesn't care). And it doesn't ruin your computer, but thanks for trolling.

Re:OH GOD (4, Funny)

causality (777677) | more than 6 years ago | (#22329122)

Except for the part where Vista Home Premium costs around $200, and $100 if you get it OEM when building a new computer (or not, newegg really doesn't care). And it doesn't ruin your computer, but thanks for trolling.

To quote a Monty Python episode ... "You're no fun anymore!"

Re:OH GOD (3, Informative)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328814)

DirectX 10 isn't all of what Vista offers, but speaking of that, I'm one of those who have played DX10 games on Vista and a Geforce 8800GTS w/ 640 MB RAM, and all I can say is that I agree with this [anandtech.com] . Yes, still. Even after new driver releases and even games. I thought that part would mature over time, but no. DirectX 10 games really do seem to cut about half the performance in bad cases.

They should make XP free in say... a year. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22329058)

A year or so from now I think Microsoft would serve itself very well to make Windows XP free. Think of all the implications of doing so.

Give 'em time (5, Insightful)

Fleet Admiral (1020072) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328470)

They will push Vista as hard as they can, as soon as they can. Its nice to appear friendly to the XP clients in the meantime, but in the end they want to make sure every computer now comes equipped with their latest VistaWare.

Customers. (2, Insightful)

gnutoo (1154137) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328472)

The MAFIAA are their customers. You are what they sell.

Downgrade??? (5, Insightful)

Z80xxc! (1111479) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328494)

"We're seeing positive indicators that we're already starting to move from the early adoption phase into the mainstream and that more and more businesses are beginning their planning and deployment of Windows Vista," the company said. Nevertheless vendors such as Dell, Hewlett-Packard, Lenovo, Fujitsu, and more recently NEC, all offer the opportunity to downgrade to XP Pro."

I'm sorry, did I see the word downgrade there? I'd consider Vista to XP an upgrade myself. Anyhow, kudos to the OEM's for providing XP as an option. It would be nice if more of them also offered linux as an option when selecting the OS. At least Dell does. (Thanks.)

It would be nice if Microsoft would at least extend the System Builder and OEM licenses for a while longer; there's really no reason not to people like XP, and they get money whether people buy Vista or XP. If they stop offering XP, then people may choose to use Linux or macs, and in the end MS may end up losing money.

Re:Downgrade??? (3, Insightful)

jkrise (535370) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328658)

kudos to the OEM's for providing XP as an option.

I don't think the OEMs are doing it out of their interest to the customer. They seem to be offering XP bcos else the customer will take his business elsewhere, never to return.

If history is any indicator, it is obvious that big OEMs like HP and Dell (even Intel, with their chipsets) are hand-in-glove with Microsoft to make sure customers are forced to pick the latest MS offering of OS for drivers and support. If the end corporate customer rejects Vista, then Dell and HP will start losing business to system builders and assemblers who offer XP.

Inteteresting times ahead.

Re:Downgrade??? (5, Insightful)

Vectronic (1221470) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328914)

"I don't think the OEMs are doing it out of their interest to the customer. They seem to be offering XP bcos else the customer will take his business elsewhere, never to return."

So in other words, they are providing what the customers want... instead of providing what the customers want? I see...

Re:Downgrade??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22329036)

So in other words, they are providing what the customers want... instead of providing what the customers want?

Heh.. nice interpretation there. But then, up until now, these OEMs and MS were forcing things on their customers that they did NOT want. So normal market behaviour appears a bit strange.

Re:Downgrade??? (3, Insightful)

thePowerOfGrayskull (905905) | more than 6 years ago | (#22329148)

I don't think the OEMs are doing it out of their interest to the customer. They seem to be offering XP bcos else the customer will take his business elsewhere, never to return.
That's ... um, kinda the way it's supposed to work, isn't it?

Re:Downgrade??? (5, Funny)

Miguel de Icaza (660439) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328710)

Why hang on to the old?
Everyone should be running the newest of Windows, which is Windows Vista! People who still get by with XP are uncool and stick-in-the-muds. Windows Vista on a Wacom-enabled Tablet PC is the way to go! And Windows Vista to me seems much faster with the new wallpapers! I love Microsoft and everything they do. Products like Vista, silverlight.NET and OOXML powered Office 2007 are brilliant. Going forward vista will be the only way to get the latest version of .NET, moonlight and windows-update. I really have a mancrush on Steve Ballmer, too. I love Microsoft! I want a job at Microsoft!

Re:Downgrade??? (1)

pizzach (1011925) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328848)

Now what would be ironic is if Major OEMS charge more upgrading to XP than downgrading to Vista.

Re:Downgrade??? (1)

electrosoccertux (874415) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328964)

Eh, I hear if you turn off UAC or something it stops bugging you left and right just because you want to turn NumLock on.

By the time XP no longer receives security updates (2014, or over 6 years from now) I'll probably move on over to Vista, turn off UAC because I don't like repeating myself, and turn off the minimize/close/maximize Aero animations (they make Vista feel sluggish).

I imagine that will be suitable for another 5 years, at which time we can take a look at Windows 7 or holding out for the next thing after Windows 7.

I'll probably upgrade to something just so I feel the need to upgrade my computer again, because that is fun, and my last computer already ran XP perfectly.

Re:Downgrade??? (2, Insightful)

boarder8925 (714555) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328992)

If they stop offering XP, then people may choose to use Linux or macs, and in the end MS may end up losing money.
Don't count on it.

Re:Downgrade??? (5, Interesting)

cyphercell (843398) | more than 6 years ago | (#22329028)

If they offer XP for too long, Linux and Mac will begin to look significantly better, not to mention projects like Wine and Reactos are being allowed valuable catch up time the longer Vista sits rotting on the vines. Vista like all Microsoft projects is a forced upgrade, if the upgrade does not occur then there is no vendor lock-in, no lock-in, no Microsoft. Microsoft is stuck between a rock and a hard place now and it shows prominently with rumors of Windows 8 looming in the intarwebs.

Definition of business partners and customers (4, Insightful)

syousef (465911) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328512)

int isBusinessPartnerOrCustomer(user) {
      if (isBusinessPartner(user))
            return TRUE;
      if (isCustomer(user) && accountSize(customer) > TenMillion) /* Thin the herd */
            return TRUE;
      return FALSE;
}

Fail at armchair mogul. (1)

Erris (531066) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328788)

It's fun to play M$ Mogul isn't it? You've got the pigopolist attitude right but your details are off. First, you forgot their syngernistic parasite friends in media, NBC, Disney TW and other real customers and co-conspirators. M$ has also have been known to throw chairs over petty accounts like the few thousands desktops of the City of Munich but just being a "business" does not give you the missionary treatment. Large businesses are often stuck in the ass like everyone else that is not M$. Don't worry though, if you were in charge of M$ you probably could not lose more than the 10 billion bucks a year the pros do. It's amazing what bad attitude can do, isn't it?

Compiler Error: (5, Funny)

Mantaar (1139339) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328842)

OP.java:4: cannot find symbol
symbol : variable customer
location: class org.slashdot.it
if (isCustomer(user) && accountSize(customer) > TenMillion) /* Thin the herd */
^
1 error

microsoft style (1)

meta coder (752563) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328926)

function isBusinessPartnerOrCustomer(user as variant) as variant on error goto microsoft if isBusinessPartner(user) = true then return TRUE end if if (isCustomer(user) and accountSize(customer) > TenMillion) ' Thin the herd return TRUE end if return FALSE microsoft: inputbox('Please enter your serial number to continue', 'activation required') end function

No Thanks, Microsoft. I'll Run Linux (5, Funny)

NeverVotedBush (1041088) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328516)

Because what I want to do today is get my work done.

Re:No Thanks, Microsoft. I'll Run Linux (-1, Flamebait)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328578)

The catch phase is:

      Where do you want to go today?

Dickhead.

Re:No Thanks, Microsoft. I'll Run Linux (0, Flamebait)

NeverVotedBush (1041088) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328626)

Does Bill kiss you after you blow him?

Re:No Thanks, Microsoft. I'll Run Linux (0, Flamebait)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328770)

I just think if you're going to dis, get your material right.

Re:No Thanks, Microsoft. I'll Run Linux (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22328630)

Dunno wtf you'd use Linux if you wanted to accomplish something...

Unless "accomplishing something" means "fucking around w/ VI editting config files all afternoon"... ..it's not like there're ANY real applications that you can do anything productive with for working in the REAL world (as opposed to the purple-pie-in-the-sky-world FOSSIES live in)...

Re:No Thanks, Microsoft. I'll Run Linux (2, Insightful)

NeverVotedBush (1041088) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328730)

Accomplishing something means administering multiple compute clusters, writing documents, editing spreadsheets, building the occasional presentation (all in OpenOffice), reading and writing e-mail, researching things on the web, and even playing games.

There are plenty of "real" applications for Linux. If you had a clue what you were talking about you would know just how many real applications there are. But you don't.

Might I suggest the Vista to XP downgrade? It might make you a wee tad more pleasant.

Re:No Thanks, Microsoft. I'll Run Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22329024)

Accomplishing something means administering multiple compute clusters, writing documents, editing spreadsheets, building the occasional presentation (all in OpenOffice), reading and writing e-mail, researching things on the web, and even playing games.
I'm sorry, which one of these isn't possible or easy on Vista again? Seeing as:

- Vista has LDAP/Kerberos support
- OpenOffice can be installed on Vista
- Firefox can be installed on Vista
- More games can be run on Vista than Linux

Might I suggest the Vista to XP downgrade? It might make you a wee tad more pleasant.
May I suggest you actually use Vista before you start running your mouth off? It might make you seem less like a drooling imbecile.

Re:No Thanks, Microsoft. I'll Run Linux (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22329108)

Impressive. With arrogant arsewipes like you on our side, how can Linux possibly lose?

Vista marketing strategy: (4, Funny)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328518)

NAH NAH NAH NAH I can't hear you NAN NAN NAN NAN

Re:Vista marketing strategy: (5, Funny)

syousef (465911) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328556)

NAH NAH NAH NAH I can't hear you NAN NAN NAN NAN

Funny. I read it as "We can year you. You're just unimportant".

Re:Vista marketing strategy: (1)

Herby Sagues (925683) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328988)

> the vast majority of people signing the petition ARE Microsoft customers But the vast majority of customers are NOT signing the petition. So you are asking for Microsoft to base a vital business decision based exclusively on a request by .01% of their users? At the same price, and with the same availability, Vista is outselling XP by a wide margin. So I think they ARE listening to their customers. Anyway, you probably said the same thing six years ago. At least you are consistent.

Funny,,, (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22328520)

I've always read XP as an emoticon.

SP1 (1)

Kral_Blbec (1201285) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328532)

I am hoping that the SP1 that is in the works addresses most of the problems that Vista has. Until that is officially released then I say just wait it out. I doubt Microsoft is going to pay attention to a petition like this until then. Now, if this is still around and growing a few months after they release SP1 then that would be worth looking into. For all we know, Windows Vista SP1 is going to be the best thing since sliced bread.

Downgrade? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22328534)

"Nevertheless vendors such as Dell, Hewlett-Packard, Lenovo, Fujitsu, and more recently NEC, all offer the opportunity to downgrade to XP Pro."
Here - Fixing that for you this time. Be mindful next time.
"Nevertheless vendors such as Dell, Hewlett-Packard, Lenovo, Fujitsu, and more recently NEC, all offer the opportunity to upgrade to XP Pro."

Re:Downgrade? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22328714)

Tagged: upgradetoxppro

To traslate: (1)

calebt3 (1098475) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328536)

No.

Lucky Downgraders... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22328542)

In a coupla years, when the world is mostly running 64-bit Vista applications (and sneering at all the retards still using 32-bit OS's), all the poor sods who thought they knew something and downgraded their brand-new PC to XP won't be able to run SFA on their "new" computers.

I'm also willing to guess that I'll be logging onto /. and reading all about how MS screwed their users by letting them back-peddle "back in '08"...

-AC

Why wait a coupla years (3, Funny)

EmbeddedJanitor (597831) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328656)

You can install Vista and get screwed today! Get a 2 year head start on your friends!

Re:Lucky Downgraders... (1)

GuyverDH (232921) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328780)

I'm running 64 bit applications today on my xp installation... Windows XP x64 Pro...

Hmmm - now where's your stooopid answer?

Vista will never run on any system of mine....

Re:Lucky Downgraders... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22329020)

You're full of it, or you do basically nothing with your PC.

I work in a retail (and direct-to-business sales) VAR and EVERY installation of WinXP Pro x64 that has passed through our doors has come back within 30 days for reversion to 32-bit XP.

XP 64 seems like a good thing, but (as with Vista) the hardware manufacturers have completely f'd the implementation and for the most part it's a sack of steaming crap. Nowadays when someone comes in asking for XP 64, we steer them to Vista b/c the 64 bit implementation of Vista operates just as well as the 32 bit version and, unlike XP64, we've not had ANY Vista 64's returned.

Oh, and a friend of mine works in a shop that buys Dell exclusively, and they were told the same thing when they requested an XP64 box... they're nothing but trouble!

Wow. (5, Funny)

greenguy (162630) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328550)

I never thought there would be a day when XP would be considered a step up from the current state of affairs.

Then again, these days, Nixon would be considered a step up from the current state of affairs, so...

Re:Wow. (1)

xs650 (741277) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328684)

"I never thought there would be a day when XP would be considered a step up from the current state of affairs.

Then again, these days, Nixon would be considered a step up from the current state of affairs, so..."

30+ years ago when things turned to crap, I used to say "sometime these will be the good old days". It was kind of funny then.

Re:Wow. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22328694)

Nixon did a fine job of screwing up your health system.
Actually, in that case Bush is doing worse, his outright killing people.

My mistake - disregard post.

Re:Wow. (4, Interesting)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328898)

IMO, Windows XP was never really that bad, and I've always considered it a step up from Windows 2000. Most people annoyed about XP was due to the crappy skin, but that's remedied in some time less than a minute by switching to the classic skin (and saving system resources in the process). After having done that, I can only note that XP has better stability than 2000 (ya, rly! I've had registry crashes on 2000 on a magnitude I've never seen on XP; actually XP with good drivers quite rarely crash for being a consumer OS), much improved hardware support, driver rollback support, fast user switching, networking over FireWire & Bluetooth, etc.

And since XP is getting pretty old, the recommended specs to run it fairly well is still just about 256-512 MB RAM or so on a 300+ MHz CPU.

what about small businesses! (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22328590)

Making the Areo interface mandatory for the business edition of Vista is the single biggest mistake that Microsoft has made. The average small business with less than 100 desktops is not going to (upgrade) anytime soon, the costs are prohibitive and it is rediculous that Vista Home Basic can run on less powerfull hardware but the flagship OS that is supposed to be secure does not. As any small computer sales outfit will attest, Vista for business is a flop and will remain so as long as Microsoft and their 'hardware partners' continue to commit extortion on the world of small business.

Your mom is a small business! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22328604)

OH SNAP!

Re:Your mom is a small business! (2, Funny)

Fx.Dr (915071) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328740)

Funny, that's the sound my budget made when running the numbers on the cost of upgrading my client PCs to Vista...

Re:what about small businesses! (5, Informative)

Macthorpe (960048) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328676)

Making the Areo interface mandatory
5 words in and your comment failed. Aero is not mandatory.

Try again, grasshopper.

Re:what about small businesses! (4, Insightful)

jo42 (227475) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328804)

Except that when you turn Aero off, and all the other eye candy, Vista looks worse than XP. They spent all that time and effort on the bling and forgot to make it look good when bling free. Last month when I was rebuilding my main work machine, I had a choice between XP and Vista. So I installed Vista on a test machine and proceeded to install all the tools that I need. Some of them didn't work right and one caused Vista to keep on trying to Windows update .NET 1.1 SP1 in an endless loop. I then installed XP on the same machine and installed the same tools. They all worked fine. And the XP install felt snappier and more responsive. So now I'm back on XP and have relegated Vista to the "Another Pile of Poop from Microsoft" heap.

Re:what about small businesses! (0)

Macthorpe (960048) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328918)

And this relates to Aero being mandatory how?

OP didn't say "Aero looks much better than Basic", he said "You can't use Basic at all".

Re:what about small businesses! (1)

T-Bone-T (1048702) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328920)

It looks worse? My laptop isn't capable of running Aero and I still think XP looks ancient compared to Vista. Vista's attention to metadata makes it so much easier to use, as well.

Re:what about small businesses! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22328838)

Well I am the grasshopper that you are refering to and my business PC is a p4 IBM thinkcenter with an onboard intel850 so it will not run windows vista business edition...regardless of ram. So in essence the gazillions of Dells HPs and IBMs that cannot "upgrade" the video card are cooked. Considering the fact that a p111 with 512 meg of ram will not cut the mustard with any commercially available vista unless you try Microsofts "third world only edition of vista" the intent is clear....screw over the world of small business by making their software and computer systems obsolete as soon as possible! Microsoft and Intel have the same agenda monopolistic extortion.

Re:what about small businesses! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22328904)

That's bullshit. Vista Business will run just fine on an Intel 850, just not with Aero Glass.

Jesus Christ, I have Vista Ultimate running on a Dell Inspiron 1501 with a Celeron, 512MB of RAM, an SIS M650 graphics card, and a 30GB hard drive.

Re:what about small businesses! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22329054)

Jesus Christ

You just blew my cover you asshole!

Re:what about small businesses! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22329138)

I'm Spartacus!

Re:what about small businesses! (1)

Macthorpe (960048) | more than 6 years ago | (#22329106)

Your video card can run Windows Vista Basic, and Vista will automatically default to Basic when it realises your card doesn't support Aero.

So, to summarise there are two options here. Either:

a) you're saying you've never tried to install Vista, or
b) you're full of crap.

Hard to choose, hard to choose...

Re:what about small businesses! (1)

Shados (741919) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328702)

Ok, so I have 2 computers running Vista side by side. One of them is on Vista Ultimate, which is my own personal machine. The other one is my job's supplied computer, which is running the business version of Vista (telecommuting and all), both hooked with a KVM switch.

Now, let see. My computer, yes, Vista Ultimate, yes, Aero at on, yes. All good. Now, switch to the other machine, ok, now let see....no Aero, hmm....strange, since its mendatory as you say... Now now let see... oh yes, because my work machine isn't graphically powerful enough to run it, so I had to disable it...now now, how could that be....

Re:what about small businesses! (4, Informative)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328762)

Yeah, but even with Aero disabled, Vista is unbearably slow. I have a laptop which came preinstalled with Vista. 512 MB of RAM, and Celeron 1.7 GHz. Even with all unnecessary services turned off, it still runs extremely slow. XP on a similarly powered machine would run just fine. Good thing I run Mandriva 99% of the time. That allows me to have all the eyecandy using Compiz, and still lets my computer run very quickly.

Re:what about small businesses! (1)

Shados (741919) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328910)

I personally wouldn't run XP SP2 on 512 megs. Heck, a few years ago when I was Linux-only, I wouldn't have touched an average Linux distro (with Gnome or KDE though, its OK if you use a leaner environment) on those specs. Unbearable. (I realise Linux is faster now though, I just didn't use it enough to make an educated opinion, thus why I have to use an older experience).

I guess its what you're used to. On 1 gig of RAM and 2ghz, Vista with all the bells and whistles enabled is actually fairly zippy, thats all I can say.

Re:what about small businesses! (1)

T-Bone-T (1048702) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328938)

512 MB of RAM, and Celeron 1.7 GHz

There's your problem. I wouldn't even want to run XP on that.

Re:what about small businesses! (2, Informative)

frup (998325) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328706)

From my experience home basic is the worst. It's being sold on 512mb ram machines and it is just so sluggish. Everyone I know who has bought home basic machines has now switched to Ubuntu with my help. Home premium on the other hand comes on decent machines with 2GB+ ram runs a lot better. Obviously it's more resource intensive but the machines it is sold on are so much better that it doesn't seem that way. Most windows users who have home premium are reasonably satisfied. It's a lot harder to get them to switch. Home premium runs fine with aero turned off in Virtual box when it is given 2GB of ram too...

Re:what about small businesses! (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328800)

I'm one of those people. Except I'm running Mandriva. The plus side is that I was able to get a really nice Linux laptop for $CDN 500.

Re:what about small businesses! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22328764)

Oh, hey, isn't that funny, I'm running Vista Business right now, and Aero is disabled. In fact, I'm running the Windows Classic interface. Strange thing, too, the system requirements on the box are exactly the same as the ones for Home Basic. Damn.

Re:what about small businesses! (1)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 6 years ago | (#22329150)

The major headache here are the laptops. It's becoming more and more difficult to find XP laptops. Linux(as an alternative to vista) will run on desktops just fine, but laptops are very proprietary and a lot of their functionality is lost when they run 'nix. XP Just Works(Tm). Microsoft should consider Vista the new ME and quietly move on to their next OS.

If only... (1)

ichbineinneuben (1065378) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328616)

...we had drawn the line in the sand with Windows 2000, the last honest OS they made (honest = an attempt to meet users needs; dishonest = corporate marketing strategy comes before users, and it isn't spyware if we say so).

customer = serf; (3, Interesting)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328620)

"listening first and foremost to feedback we hear from partners and customers about what makes sense based on their needs, that's what informed our decision to extend the availability of XP initially, and what will continue to guide us" -- a somewhat strange response given that the vast majority of people signing the petition ARE Microsoft customers!
Serfdom is the socio-economic status of peasants under feudalism, and specifically relates to Manorialism. It was a condition of bondage or modified slavery seen primarily during the Middle Ages in Europe. Serfdom was the enforced labour of serfs on the fields of landowners, in return for protection and the right to work on their leased fields.

Instead of plowing a field, we're moving bits and bytes.

Microsoft listens to the lords and barons, not to the serfs (barring a massive uprising and the occasional symbolic act of obligatory good faith).

Re:customer = serf; (1)

frup (998325) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328790)

Brings a whole new meaning to free software then :P. We who use it are the freemen, our great barons and lords who write our software kind and generous and our system of monarchy, much like Sparta has two great kings, Linus and RMS.

Re:customer = serf; (1)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328984)

Brings a whole new meaning to free software then :P. We who use it are the freemen, our great barons and lords who write our software kind and generous and our system of monarchy, much like Sparta has two great kings, Linus and RMS.
Linus is more of a mason than a spartan :)

moderation (1)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 6 years ago | (#22329012)

"listening first and foremost to feedback we hear from partners and customers about what makes sense based on their needs, that's what informed our decision to extend the availability of XP initially, and what will continue to guide us" -- a somewhat strange response given that the vast majority of people signing the petition ARE Microsoft customers!
Serfdom is the socio-economic status of peasants under feudalism, and specifically relates to Manorialism. It was a condition of bondage or modified slavery seen primarily during the Middle Ages in Europe. Serfdom was the enforced labour of serfs on the fields of landowners, in return for protection and the right to work on their leased fields.

Instead of plowing a field, we're moving bits and bytes.

Microsoft listens to the lords and barons, not to the serfs (barring a massive uprising and the occasional symbolic act of obligatory good faith).
The topic is "Microsoft petition", the reply is in the form of a metaphor.

Reply "I don't get it" instead of downmoding, sheesh.

"Customers" vs. "Consumers" (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22328654)

I believe that this has been mentioned before in the Apple/ATT discussions over the iPhone. Let me see if I can explain it any more plainly:

I have a friend that works in "Consumer Relations" for GE - basically, that means dealing with you and me. The "Customer Relations" department deals with the likes of Sears.

When Microsoft says they are listening to their customers, that means they are listening to OEMs, Best Buy/CompUSA type stores, or Fortune 500s with huge install bases.

You and I are, once again, the consumer - and we'll get what's available based on what people want to sell us.

It makes sense that companies like Dell will respond to people's demands for XP, just as they did with Linux - we are their customers, and we affect their bottom line. And unless Michael Dell is signing that petition, then it's not going to amount to a hill of beans.

However, the Dells of the world have other lines of communication with Microsoft, not some poxy little web petition.

Anyone who thinks that a web petition is going to get results probably thinks that singing Bob Dylan songs on the National Mall will end the war in Iraq.

Incompetence hangs in the air like... (4, Interesting)

Futurepower(R) (558542) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328672)

Quote from the article: ... a Microsoft spokesperson in the US told Computerworld: "We're aware of it, but are listening first and foremost to feedback we hear from partners and customers about what makes sense based on their needs. That's what informed our decision to extend the availability of XP initially, and what will continue to guide us."

So much of what comes from Microsoft seems depersonalized, as though employees just go through the motions, realizing that nothing they do will change the basic nature of the fundamental failures in the company.

Incompetence hangs in the air like the cold stench of death. [dilbert.com]

Re:Incompetence hangs in the air like... (1)

jo42 (227475) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328854)

Microsoft can't say that they are going to extend XP support based on a petition. This would be an admission that Vista is a pile of poop. They have to save face and spout brain-dead corporate marketing nonsense. Welcome to the modern, corporate, world.

In otherwords.. (1)

agendi (684385) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328738)

That is MS speak for we will see if the partners (read manufacturers) want it otherwise we will keep pushing a system that requires people to update their hardware. I don't get the feeling that the "customer" they are listening to is the general WinXP using consumer...

Funny. (5, Interesting)

Trogre (513942) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328752)

How many of us back in 2001 [slashdot.org] could have imagined the day when we would be fighting to save Windows XP?

It is a strange world.

Re:Funny. (0, Flamebait)

HotBBQ (714130) | more than 6 years ago | (#22329022)

Thank you for that. I'm in the process of building a new home PC and I will be installing Vista on it. XP wasn't without problems when it was released and Vista is the same. I have gone through the little bit of work to see if any of my new hardware has known issues that I can avoid. The anti Microsoft vitriol is out of control here and the lack of reflection is appalling.

Re:Funny. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22329068)

Well, as indicated by one poster in that referenced thread... I still turn off the ugly blue WinXP default interface and go back to Windows Classic for my interface. On the other hand, one of the few things I DO like about Vista is the Aero interface.

Re:Funny. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22329094)

I know what you mean. It should have been the Year of Linux on the Desktop by now for sure.

100 million copies? (2, Insightful)

mathnerd314 (1212880) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328756)

despite its claims that Vista has sold more than 100 million copies
How many of these copies were pre-installed on computers, and then deleted when the user gave up on Vista and installed Linux instead?

Re:100 million copies? (3, Funny)

mattgoldey (753976) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328946)

Probably about 5.

Re:100 million copies? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22328962)

>How many of these copies were pre-installed on computers, and then deleted when the user gave up on Vista and installed Linux instead?

A trivial amount. Any more stupid rhetorical questions?

(People like you make me embarrassed that I use Linux.)

Upgrading because we have to! (1)

mattgoldey (753976) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328760)

I wonder how many of those businesses that are planning on upgrading to Vista are only doing so because they feel that they have to? Where I work, we are heavily invested in Windows. We have over 20,000 workstations and hundreds of servers all running Windows. We have in-house custom-built applications that run in Windows. For the foreseeable future, we're using Windows, and at some point we won't be legally able to install XP. This means, like it or not, our future is Vista, which we are in the process of preparing for.

Re:Upgrading because we have to! (2, Informative)

Shados (741919) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328806)

If you have 20000 workstations, you can get Microsoft to cough up anything for you. I worked for a company that, while they were in the top of Fortune's list, had maybe half of that amount of workstations (not big in the office department for their side), and we could still get Microsoft to print us Windows ME (rofl) CDs if we wanted. They won't support it (then again, cough enough dough and they will. Actually, cough enough dough and they'll actually let you look at the source code, btw), but you can get it.

tough luck loosers! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22328796)

You've lived for years with an inferior operating system from a company that restricts your freedoms with your OWN data. You locked yourself into proprietary file formats from a company that purposely doesn't interoperate just to bleed you wallet dry. From OS/2 to a million flavors of unix/linux to mac os there have been abundant stable OS's for years to choose from. Now MS is pulling the rug out from under you in order to get you to bleed more cash for upgrades? Tough! You deserve it!

Gullible fools... (4, Insightful)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328812)

... so they think they can make one of the most evil corporations on the planet do a good deed with just a bunch of signatures? (cue evil maniacal laughter [youtube.com] )

Evil corporations cannot change. Well, they could change, but they WON'T. Terefore, they must be defeated. I wonder what would happen if all of the 75,000 people signing for XP would have donated 20 dollars to the ReactOS project [reactos.org] . $1,500,000 bucks doesn't sound any bad at all.

On the other hand, this democratic exercise can help to open the eyes of the ignorant masses so they can realize that Microsoft won't change.

Online petitions... (3, Insightful)

saleenS281 (859657) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328818)

I hate to break it to you, but given the absolute 0 work/commitment required for an online petition, no business worth their salt would bother basing critical decisions such as the tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars MS would have to spend to continue supporting XP in the manner demanded. How many of these petitioners have bothered to write a letter, or make a phone call?

And finally... 75,000. Out of how many copies sold? That's not even 1% of their user base. Why would the EVER even consider such a request? I hate to break it to you vocal majority, but for most of us, Vista is as good, if not superior to XP. This is the same game that was played when XP was released. "OH NOES, 2000 IS SO MUCH BETTER!!!" It wasn't and XP isn't.

Same shit, different date (4, Insightful)

That's Unpossible! (722232) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328830)

I've read all the same stories 6 years ago.

Except back then people were bitching about the upgrade from 2000 to XP.

The end result is Microsoft will fix some of the most annoying things in Vista (or offer alternatives), but 95% of their customers will swallow Vista within the next 2 years, and only the anal-i-will-die-proving-my-point types will still run XP... err excuse me, Windows 2000.

Re:Same shit, different date (3, Interesting)

Shados (741919) | more than 6 years ago | (#22329168)

It happens everytime really. The amount of machines I had to downgrade from 2k/XP to Windows ME (ME!!!!!!!) back when I did that kind of work, was rediculous. Its just that there was such a large time period between XP and Vista, that people forgot. Its like how hell froze over when MS released IE7...it had been so long since an IE "upgrade" (I use the term loosely) that a lot of companies that had made web applications had actually STARTED -after- IE6 came out, and had no clue how to handle a transition like that...

Same old same old.

Cock (-1, Flamebait)

trouser (149900) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328844)

I remember struggling with sulking bitch art friends who clung desperately to OS9 for years after the release of OSX because "OS9 is better", "it's more intuitive", "OSX is confusing", "why did they have to change everything around?", "why do I have a home directory?", "why do I have to login?", "I deleted a file called mach_kernel to free up some space and now my computer won't boot", "it's not fair, wah wah wah".

Of course OSX is better than OS9 but it's different and if you've spent years getting used to the old way of doing things it might take a little while to work that out. Old habits are hard to break.

So Vista is different to XP and it requires more memory and it doesn't work with your old laser printer. Harden the fuck up.

Re:Cock (4, Insightful)

kemushi88 (1156073) | more than 6 years ago | (#22328978)

I don't have a great amount of experience with this particular part of OS history, but from my experiences in my school's computer lab, when they upgraded the iMacs from OS 9 to OS X, they became more responsive, crashed significantly less, and ran overall faster. The same couldn't be said for the computers I saw upgraded to vista. When I upgraded my laptop (an original MacBook Pro) from Tiger to Leopard, its performance noticeably increased, despite the fact that it was not apple's top of the line anymore. Apple's upgrades generally seem to increase performance across the board but Microsoft's just target the latest and greatest. But I am only speaking from my own experience. Yours may be different and I could be wrong.

Maybe MS should make long time users pay patches? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22328908)

A major incentive for Microsoft to convince people to switch to Vista is that it is an important revenue stream. After all, those who have kept XP since 2001 have been receiving upgrades for free since then. Something they could do is that after a certain amount of time a licence has been bought, that licence would need to be renewed, or the users would not get any more updates. This way, XP would still be profitable even with users who haven't upgraded.

Windows 7? (4, Interesting)

eebra82 (907996) | more than 6 years ago | (#22329006)

I agree with Linus Torvalds on what he said about operating systems. Basically, a regular user who's upgrading the OS should not notice a too big difference, nor should he have to upgrade the computer. The big problem with Vista is that it runs significantly slower than XP. Most of the annoyances are gone now that a year has passed since the release, so after a year of Vista, I am finally pleased (except for the exceptionally steep hardware requirements).

If only Microsoft can make Windows 7 blazing fast again, I have no doubt it will be a huge success. Imagine the millions of users out there who switch from Vista to Windows 7 to notice that things are running fast like hell now. That's what we need. Linus was right.

That petition is repugnant (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22329008)

As long as they were collecting email addresses, they just couldn't resist inserting a few "yes, please contact me about special offers for my convenience" checkboxes. So Microsoft doesn't take them seriously, and I'm having considerable trouble to not do the same.

downgrade? (2, Funny)

crhylove (205956) | more than 6 years ago | (#22329102)

I would like to give points to the most disastrous use of the word "downgrade" ever. Going from Vista to XP is the same kind of downgrade as going from a Geo to a Lexus.

I'd like to go ahead and downgrade my house into a mansion please.

yeah but how many of these are real sales? (1)

BlueshiftVFX (1158033) | more than 6 years ago | (#22329114)

How many of these 100 million were honest to goodness, "I'm going out to buy Vista" rather then the "I am getting a new PC but it came with Vista, so I am going to have to use my old XP disk on it when I get home". I bet the sold number differs from the registered users numbers
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