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RIAA's Attack On NewYorkCountryLawyer Fails

kdawson posted more than 6 years ago | from the first-get-the-facts-right dept.

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NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "p2pnet.net reports that the RIAA has egg on its face. When the Electronic Frontier Foundation requested permission to file an amicus curiae brief on behalf of Boston University students challenging the RIAA's ex parte discovery order, the RIAA lawyers attacked the blog 'Recording Industry vs. The People' for its criticism of the RIAA as seeking to 'abuse the American judicial system, distort copyright law, and frighten ordinary working people and their children' and then falsely claimed that the blog's author is an EFF attorney — this despite the fact that they know that the blog's author (known on Slashdot as NewYorkCountryLawyer) is a partner in a New York law firm and not an EFF attorney. Judge Gertner apparently wasn't impressed, and granted the EFF's motion, rejecting the RIAA's objections, since she felt amici curiae might 'shed light' on the 'copyright law' and 'computer technology' issues before her."

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NewYorkCountryLawyer (5, Funny)

Phoenix666 (184391) | more than 6 years ago | (#22349436)

I am glad that NewYorkCountryLawyer posts on Slashdot, because I always learn from his posts.

But my pop-culture saturated brain always translates that username as, "Single Female Lawyer," and I worry about visitors from Omicron Persei 7.

Re:NewYorkCountryLawyer (4, Funny)

Steeltalon (734391) | more than 6 years ago | (#22349484)

But that final episode was so great! Imagine how great NewYorkCountryLawyer could make a series finale! I like to hope that it involves Lur eating the RIAA.

Re:NewYorkCountryLawyer (5, Funny)

NewYorkCountryLawyer (912032) | more than 6 years ago | (#22349550)

I'm proud to be in the vanguard of the struggle to save Earth from the clones.

Re:NewYorkCountryLawyer (1)

mpapet (761907) | more than 6 years ago | (#22349812)

Ray,

Now that the writer's strike is over, you should shop your story in Hollywood. It's part Erin Brockovich, part "Anatomy of a Murder" with a "lawyer with a heart of gold" main character. Hollywood LOVES remakes.

Thanks for all of your time and effort on this.

Off topic:
how do we, as non-lawyer types, bring some of the lawyers working for the RIAA up to their respective Bar Association for ethical/procedural violations? I would hope that would contain the RIAA better.

Re:NewYorkCountryLawyer (4, Insightful)

NewYorkCountryLawyer (912032) | more than 6 years ago | (#22350066)

Now that the writer's strike is over, you should shop your story in Hollywood. It's part Erin Brockovich, part "Anatomy of a Murder" with a "lawyer with a heart of gold" main character. Hollywood LOVES remakes.
Let's wait until we get a happy ending to go with.

Off topic: how do we, as non-lawyer types, bring some of the lawyers working for the RIAA up to their respective Bar Association for ethical/procedural violations? I would hope that would contain the RIAA better.
I don't know. Maybe the Judges will do it for us.

Re:NewYorkCountryLawyer (2, Funny)

CaptainZapp (182233) | more than 6 years ago | (#22349940)

Ray, even though I'm not an American and not directly affected by those thugs I want to thank you for your efforts. Tables seem to turn into a direction that makes them worth it.

abuse the American judicial system, distort copyright law, and frighten ordinary working people and their children

But please, stop abusing the American judicial system, please refrain from distorting copyright law and may I kindly mention that it's not nice to frighten ordinary people.

Don't you think of their children?

:)

Re:NewYorkCountryLawyer (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22350392)

Remember, though -- you're still a lawyer, so even if you're on our side, we all fucking hate your scaley snake-ass.

Re:NewYorkCountryLawyer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22349716)

The guy's name you call "Lur" is actually written "Lrrr"

Re:NewYorkCountryLawyer (1)

sconeu (64226) | more than 6 years ago | (#22350088)

Just so long as there aren't any drug crazed hippies there.

Re:NewYorkCountryLawyer (0, Offtopic)

Steeltalon (734391) | more than 6 years ago | (#22350314)

Well, I don't know about hippies but I wouldn't be surprised by Coke "Ugh... I think that lawyer snorted something through his human horn" followed by: "Look at my hands. They're huge and they can touch anything except each other. Woah!" Or, more likely, something resembling a scene from terminator...

Re:More Like NewYorkCountryChampion (5, Insightful)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 6 years ago | (#22349602)

But my pop-culture saturated brain always translates that username as, "Single Female Lawyer," and I worry about visitors from Omicron Persei 7.
The first time I read it, I actually thought it was a pun on The Hyperchicken [wikipedia.org] which would always start his sentences with "Now, your honor, I'm may be just a simple hyperchicken from a backwoods asteroid ..." from the same pop culture show you speak of.

Luckily, once I read his posts, I was quite impressed and informed but also saddened [slashdot.org] by the way he was treated [slashdot.org] when he was first interviewed on Slashdot. But lucky for us, he keeps contributing massively and acts as a bridge between us and that strange foreign legal world where logic will get you killed.

Furthermore, I hope I get a follow up story where NewYorkCountryLawyer gets mad and pushes back. Of all the people assaulted by the RIAA, he's the most likely to be able to comprehensively do something about that. Hats off to you, Ty & Ray!

Just, please, NYCL, for the love of God whatever you do do not install P2P client software on your computer at this point! :-)

Re:More Like NewYorkCountryChampion (5, Interesting)

NewYorkCountryLawyer (912032) | more than 6 years ago | (#22349974)

once I read his posts, I was quite impressed and informed but also saddened by the way he was treated when he was first interviewed on Slashdot.
Thank you, eldavojohn, for bringing a smile to my face, reminding me of that raucous interview and its aftermath in the comments section [slashdot.org] . But you needn't have been saddened by my treatment. I loved every minute of it. What you may not know about me is that I come from a family where there is nothing we loved more than a good argument. Combat is in my blood. I totally loved the experience of being interviewed and then roasted on Slashdot. I thrive in an environment where there is freedom to speak freely, because I believe that in a fair and open forum the truth will prevail.

Re:More Like NewYorkCountryChampion (1)

SQLGuru (980662) | more than 6 years ago | (#22350264)

Re: Arguments
If you didn't enjoy it, you would have picked the wrong field.....

Layne

Re:More Like NewYorkCountryChampion (5, Funny)

NewYorkCountryLawyer (912032) | more than 6 years ago | (#22350470)

Re: Arguments If you didn't enjoy it, you would have picked the wrong field.....
Well I did pick the wrong field. But that's a discussion for another day.

Re:More Like NewYorkCountryChampion (3, Funny)

The Evil Couch (621105) | more than 6 years ago | (#22350332)

So, when are you, cpt kangarooski and Compulawyer going to form up like Voltron and deliver an unholy (but fully legal) beating to RIAA? Also, how much will tickets be to attend said event?

Re:More Like NewYorkCountryChampion (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22350370)

You love karma-whoring too right?

Stop posting in your own story ASSWIPE!

Re:More Like NewYorkCountryChampion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22351156)

Would you be interested in running for president? That's one of the most encouraging sentiments I've heard in a long time.

Hyperchicken? More like Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer. (2, Funny)

JoshDM (741866) | more than 6 years ago | (#22350318)

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfrozen_Caveman_Lawyer]Phil Hartman on SNL in the late 80's / early 90's[/url] for originating the win.

"When I see a solar eclipse, like the one I went to last year in Hawaii, I think 'Oh no! Is the moon eating the sun?' I don't know. Because I'm a caveman -- that's the way I think."

Re:NewYorkCountryLawyer (0, Offtopic)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 6 years ago | (#22349650)

my pop-culture saturated brain

So how did you wind up on a site with "News For Nerds" as its purpose? I was going to open Deal Reportedly Reached In Writers' Strike [slashdot.org] to ask slashdot WTF the witesr's strike has to do with me, an American nerd who watches very little TV, let alone all the non US slashdotters.

Thank you for answering that for me and saving me the trouble of opening it.

Could we maybe do some kind of "nerd test" and if you fail it, you get redirected to DIGG instead?

Hmm, maybe I'll do one as a slashdot journal. That is, if I don't get my nerd license suspended again (linked journal is from last year, you probably already saw it). [slashdot.org]

Oh yeah, while I'm here I want to join you and all my other fellow slashdotters in once again thanking NYCL for his efforts.

-mcgrew
How do I mod thee? Let me count the ways. -1 offtopic, -2 troll, -3 flamebait...

Re:NewYorkCountryLawyer (2, Insightful)

timster (32400) | more than 6 years ago | (#22349804)

NERDS watch NERDY movies and TV shows! Duh! How short-sighted do you have to be to reason "I'm a nerd, and I don't watch TV, so TV can't be nerdy"?

Seriously, make your own site, use the tagline "News for Nerds who Despise Culture", and go to town.

Re:NewYorkCountryLawyer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22350006)

to ask slashdot WTF the witesr's strike has to do with me
You, sir, must never have watched Star Trek or Firefly and we must ask that you leave our clubhouse...

Re:NewYorkCountryLawyer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22350248)

*cue Onion article*

Also, sir, you are an idiot. Please hand over your UID and leave Slashdot.

I bet "I waited for you" would also mean nothing to your barbarian mind.

Re:NewYorkCountryLawyer (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22349684)

Is it bad that I immediately knew it is actually Omicron Persei 8?

Re:NewYorkCountryLawyer (0, Offtopic)

Phoenix666 (184391) | more than 6 years ago | (#22349956)

Only if you're a hermaphrodite. Everyone one knows men are from Omicron Persei 7, and women are from Omicron Persei 9. And Lrrr is definitely from Omicron Persei 7.

Re:NewYorkCountryLawyer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22349690)

the summery gets a C, it was ok but certainly not great. we won't destroy your planet now, but you also don't get our immortality formula

Re:NewYorkCountryLawyer (0, Offtopic)

truthsearch (249536) | more than 6 years ago | (#22349976)

Leela: They're going to destroy the entire Earth if they don't see some stupid TV show about some bimbo lawyer?
Fry: It's crazy! How could they even know about a show from a thousand years ago?
Farnsworth: Well, Omicron Persei 8 is about a thousand light years away. So the electro-magnetic waves would just recently have gotten there. You see-
Fry: Magic. Got it.

Re:NewYorkCountryLawyer (2, Funny)

techpawn (969834) | more than 6 years ago | (#22350080)

But my pop-culture saturated brain always translates that username as, "Single Female Lawyer,"
Well thank you VERY much! Now I can never see a post or story from him without "NewYorkCountyLawyer... Havin' lots of sex..." echo through my head!

creators disempowerment of corepiratenazifelons (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22349442)

moving along at the speed of right (which sometimes can appear to be a little slow). let yOUR conscience be yOUR guide. you can be more helpful than you might have imagined. there are still some choices. if they do not suit you, consider the likely results of continuing to follow the corepirate nazi hypenosys story LIEn, whereas anything of relevance is replaced almost instantly with pr ?firm? scriptdead mindphuking propaganda or 'celebrity' trivia 'foam'. meanwhile; don't forget to get a little more oxygen on yOUR brain, & look up in the sky from time to time, starting early in the day. there's lots going on up there.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080108/ts_alt_afp/ushealthfrancemortality;_ylt=A9G_RngbRIVHsYAAfCas0NUE [yahoo.com]
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/31/opinion/31mon1.html?em&ex=1199336400&en=c4b5414371631707&ei=5087%0A [nytimes.com]

is it time to get real yet? A LOT of energy is being squandered in attempts to keep US in the dark. in the end (give or take a few 1000 years), the creators will prevail (world without end, etc...), as it has always been. the process of gaining yOUR release from the current hostage situation may not be what you might think it is. butt of course, most of US don't know, or care what a precarious/fatal situation we're in. for example; the insidious attempts by the felonious corepirate nazi execrable to block the suns' light, interfering with a requirement (sunlight) for us to stay healthy/alive. it's likely not good for yOUR health/memories 'else they'd be bragging about it? we're intending for the whoreabully deceptive (they'll do ANYTHING for a bit more monIE/power) felons to give up/fail even further, in attempting to control the 'weather', as well as a # of other things/events.

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dictator style micro management has never worked (for very long). it's an illness. tie that with life0cidal aggression & softwar gangster style bullying, & what do we have? a greed/fear/ego based recipe for disaster. meanwhile, you can help to stop the bleeding (loss of life & limb);

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the bleeding must be stopped before any healing can begin. jailing a couple of corepirate nazi hired goons would send a clear message to the rest of the world from US. any truthful look at the 'scorecard' would reveal that we are a society in decline/deep doo-doo, despite all of the scriptdead pr ?firm? generated drum beating & flag waving propaganda that we are constantly bombarded with. is it time to get real yet? please consider carefully ALL of yOUR other 'options'. the creators will prevail. as it has always been.

corepirate nazi execrable costs outweigh benefits
(Score:-)mynuts won, the king is a fink)
by ourselves on everyday 24/7

as there are no benefits, just more&more death/debt & disruption. fortunately there's an 'army' of light bringers, coming yOUR way. the little ones/innocents must/will be protected. after the big flash, ALL of yOUR imaginary 'borders' may blur a bit? for each of the creators' innocents harmed in any way, there is a debt that must/will be repaid by you/us, as the perpetrators/minions of unprecedented evile, will not be available. 'vote' with (what's left in) yOUR wallet, & by your behaviors. help bring an end to unprecedented evile's manifestation through yOUR owned felonious corepirate nazi glowbull warmongering execrable. some of US should consider ourselves somewhat fortunate to be among those scheduled to survive after the big flash/implementation of the creators' wwwildly popular planet/population rescue initiative/mandate. it's right in the manual, 'world without end', etc.... as we all ?know?, change is inevitable, & denying/ignoring gravity, logic, morality, etc..., is only possible, on a temporary basis. concern about the course of events that will occur should the life0cidal execrable fail to be intervened upon is in order. 'do not be dismayed' (also from the manual). however, it's ok/recommended, to not attempt to live under/accept, fauxking nazi felon greed/fear/ego based pr ?firm? scriptdead mindphuking hypenosys.

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"If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."

meanwhile, the life0cidal philistines continue on their path of death, debt, & disruption for most of US. gov. bush denies health care for the little ones;

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/03/bush.veto/index.html [cnn.com]

whilst demanding/extorting billions to paint more targets on the bigger kids;

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/12/bush.war.funding/index.html [cnn.com]

& pretending that it isn't happening here;

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article3086937.ece [timesonline.co.uk]
all is not lost/forgotten/forgiven

(yOUR elected) president al gore (deciding not to wait for the much anticipated 'lonesome al answers yOUR questions' interview here on /.) continues to attempt to shed some light on yOUR foibles. talk about reverse polarity;

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Lesson being learned by the RIAA here: (3, Insightful)

Enlarged to Show Tex (911413) | more than 6 years ago | (#22349450)

It takes far more money to buy the entire judicial system than it does to buy a few hundred politicians

Re:Lesson being learned by the RIAA here: (1)

Bombula (670389) | more than 6 years ago | (#22350092)

What we're witnessing are the death throws of the RIAA. I predict it will be gone within 3-5 years, and the whole traditional music/label industry in 10. The fact that they would rather litigate than innovate is clear evidence that they're just a fat guy hanging on to a crumbling cliff by his fingernails. More nails in the coffin: Wall Street has finally started issuing warnings NOT to invest in music industry stocks.

The industry will undoubtedly go down kicking and screaming, but down it will go - of that there can no longer be any doubt.

Re:Lesson being learned by the RIAA here: (1)

mrxak (727974) | more than 6 years ago | (#22350256)

I think you're right. I just hope that it soon becomes prohibitively expensive to hire all their lobbyists and lawyers compared to their lawsuit payouts.

Re:Lesson being learned by the RIAA here: (2, Insightful)

powerlord (28156) | more than 6 years ago | (#22350914)

The industry will undoubtedly go down kicking and screaming, but down it will go - of that there can no longer be any doubt.


I disagree. I think instead that, "The industry AS IT IS NOW will undoubtedly go down kicking and screaming, but down it will go UNLESS IT CHANGES."

Imagine if the Recording Industry decided to offer up its music at one "low price" [itunes.com] , or perhaps they decided to offer non-DRMed tracks [amazon.com] (perhaps for an extra dollar [itunes.com] . Or maybe they could offer an "all you can eat" monthly subscription [rhapsody.com] , or maybe a free streaming service [pandora.com] .

Now imagine if all the groups doing this started signing up exclusive talent to their service, and perhaps decided to form an organization to help watch out for their interests (lobbying, etc.) .

Perhaps something like "The Online Recording Industry Association of America".

Maybe they can just shorten it to ORIAA.

All that is happening is that the current business model is failing. If the existing recording companies fail to recognize this, and prepare themselves for the paradigm shift, then they will be rendered obsolete by new companies that DO recognize the shifting ground in the marketplace.

As a consumer though, there will always be a RIAA, or its successor, the only question is whether it will view us as adversaries or consumers.

Re:Lesson being learned by the RIAA here: (4, Funny)

Mister Whirly (964219) | more than 6 years ago | (#22351056)

Yeah. You also forgot to add BSD is dead, Microsoft is on the way out also, and this will finally be the year of "Linux on the Desktop".

For the non lawyers (5, Informative)

ZanySpyDude (1215564) | more than 6 years ago | (#22349476)

this helped me out. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amicus_Curiae_Brief [wikipedia.org]

Re:For the non lawyers (5, Funny)

NewYorkCountryLawyer (912032) | more than 6 years ago | (#22349494)

You mean there are non-lawyers here?

Now you tell me.

Re:For the non lawyers (5, Funny)

mooingyak (720677) | more than 6 years ago | (#22349584)

The non-lawyers must not post very often. Everything I read here is pretty much dead on for accuracy on legal issues.

Re:For the non lawyers (4, Funny)

RobBebop (947356) | more than 6 years ago | (#22350124)

The non-lawyers must not post very often. Everything I read here is pretty much dead on for accuracy on legal issues.

IANAL, but I have represented myself on numerous occasions against various traffic infractions, so I have much experience on all matters of law.

I can see why you would be confused.

IANAL-BIPOOS (1)

infonography (566403) | more than 6 years ago | (#22350250)

IANAL-BIPOOS

I'm not a Lawyer but I play one on Slashdot

Re:IANAL-BIPOOS (5, Funny)

NewYorkCountryLawyer (912032) | more than 6 years ago | (#22350502)

I'm not a Lawyer but I play one on Slashdot
I'm not a lawyer. I was one until Slashdot ruined me for it.

Re:IANAL-BIPOOS (4, Funny)

Reziac (43301) | more than 6 years ago | (#22350778)

So, you're a lawyer, except on slashdot, where you play a laywer?? My brain hurts. Where's my lawyer, I need to sue someone for damaging my intellectual property! ;)

Re:IANAL-BIPOOS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22351124)

Maybe you should settle out of court. Want a lollipop?

Re:For the non lawyers (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22350656)

But, for some reason, the authors of most of those posts have a bizarre anal fixation.

Re:For the non lawyers (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 6 years ago | (#22349646)

You think you're shocked? I'm surprised to see someone actually doing something about all this RIAA crap instead of just complaining! Nice one :)

Re:For the non lawyers (1)

_Shad0w_ (127912) | more than 6 years ago | (#22350244)

Do rules lawyers [wikipedia.org] count?

Geez Louise, (2, Interesting)

arizwebfoot (1228544) | more than 6 years ago | (#22349500)

You have to wonder what they'll do next.

Maybe claim that if you share ear buds with your friend, that you're "stealing" the music? That you should be prosecuted for theft?

Re:Geez Louise, (2, Insightful)

Jason Levine (196982) | more than 6 years ago | (#22349582)

If they thought they could get away with it, I'm sure they would do that. As it stands now they either: 1) have one small toe grounded in reality enough to let them know that this wouldn't be allowed, or 2) have this as a future step in their master plan.

Re:Geez Louise, (2, Funny)

The Evil Couch (621105) | more than 6 years ago | (#22350154)

On the plus side, if they decide to prosecute you for sharing a pair of ear bud headphones with your buddy, you'll only be liable for "stealing" half the song!

Re:Geez Louise, (1)

name*censored* (884880) | more than 6 years ago | (#22350426)

On the plus side, if they decide to prosecute you for sharing a pair of ear bud headphones with your buddy, you'll only be liable for "stealing" half the song!
...But your buddy will take huge legal damages for "setting up an illegal and unauthorised song sharing system".

Re:Geez Louise,-HEY, IN SCOTLAND... (3, Informative)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 6 years ago | (#22351258)

Maybe claim that if you share ear buds with your friend, that you're "stealing" the music? That you should be prosecuted for theft?

Don't laugh. In Scotland just a few months ago, a car repair facility was fined for public performance without a license because the mechanics doing the repairs were playing their radios loud enough for customers in the waiting area to hear. Remember that radios are licensed in Britain, and that they can be really stupid at times. Especially since the customers could have listened to exactly the same station on their own radios without a problem.

RIAA = SCO? (4, Interesting)

CheechBG (247105) | more than 6 years ago | (#22349534)

is it just me, or are there more and more similarities between the RIAA's public handling of these cases and the SCO ordeal? It seems like ever week or so another judge issues a smackdown to the RIAA's motions or momentum. I hope for the sake of the public that this doesn't drag on as long as the SCO trial did/is, but I can't help but draw the conclusion that the RIAA's path is ultimately doomed. If not doomed by the courts, then doomed by inciting subversion in their user base. It's just a shame that this has to affect so many more people than just SCO vs. Novell/IBM (and Linux users collectively)

Re:RIAA = SCO? (4, Insightful)

qortra (591818) | more than 6 years ago | (#22350036)

If you get the majority of your news from Slashdot, I think your perception of the state of affairs would be skewed. There are several important differences between SCO and RIAA:
  • SCO was evil and stupid, whereas the RIAA is merely evil (though it has had bonehead moments)
  • SCO was only known or really recognized among people (usually IT/Software people) who were smart and knowledgeable enough to know just how terrible they were. The RIAA, on the other hand, is a nationally recognized organization, and the majority of people who know them won't have the knowledge or experience to know exactly why they suck so much.
  • The RIAA has deep pockets and [until recently] enjoyed the outright support of very large influential corporations. SCO, on the other hand, only had Microsoft which really couldn't outright support SCO (they had to support them through shady deals like buying licenses, and that only goes so far).
  • SCO was looking out for SCO. They were a greedy, selfish, stupid company that were willing to bring down the entire open source community for their own profit. The RIAA on the other hand has the interests of an entire business model in hand; they see it as their job to rescue a dying business model from death. Not only do they enjoy the support of their constituent corporations, but also sympathy and legal/lobby aid from their evil sister organizations (MPAA, BSA to name a few).
None of this is written to claim that there isn't hope. However, this will be a much harder battle than SCO. SCO was pathetic, and the RIAA simply isn't.

Re:RIAA = SCO? (1)

RobBebop (947356) | more than 6 years ago | (#22350174)

similarities between the RIAA's public handling of these cases and the SCO ordeal

Also, SCO got upset at PJ on GrokLaw, just as RIAA is getting upset at NYCL on his site. I forget the specifics, but I recall that SCO tried to defame PJ's character for reporting truthfully in regards to their case.

Euphemisms (5, Funny)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 6 years ago | (#22349548)

p2pnet.net reports that the RIAA has egg on its face.

I'm not sure this is the correct euphimism to use for the RIAA in this sentence.

Over here in Blighty, the expression "you have egg on your face" is often said to a man who had forgotten to zip up his trouser flies, possibly after visiting a urinal. That's because we British are a quiet and genteel people who consider it quite rude in polite company to shout out "OI, MATE! YOUR F***IN' FLIES ARE OPEN!" and prefer to use this quaint euphemism instead. Of course, the fact that every other British person in hearing range already knows what the euphemism means and immediately starts staring at the target's gusset-region anyway, doesn't enter into it.

However, the fact that this euphemism implies that the target is no doubt displaying a flaccid, tiny, shrivelled willy while everyone else is pointing their fingers and laughing at him can hardly be applied to the RIAA now, can it?

Oh wait...

Re:Euphemisms (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 6 years ago | (#22349704)

Strange, I just thought it meant embarrasment (I'm from Scotland though, maybe it's different in England). Here "you're flying low" or "your fly's undone" is enough for most.

Anyway, if indeed what you are saying is true, I nominate "You have long chained proteins on your face!" as something funnier to say when someone is walking around with his wiener hanging out.

Re:Euphemisms (1)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 6 years ago | (#22349708)

Well it makes sense, since the expression "you have egg on your face" means you're embarrassed. And having your fly open is rather embarrassing, especially if you're not wearing underwear.

Re:Euphemisms (2, Funny)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 6 years ago | (#22349824)

And having your fly open is rather embarrassing, especially if you're not wearing underwear.

I think being embarrassed would much depend on the size of what is being displayed. If the target could, for example, truthfully respond with "Yes, but that pavement is really chafing the end of it", I doubt he would consider that he had too much to be embarrassed about...

Re:Euphemisms (1)

Deadstick (535032) | more than 6 years ago | (#22350052)

Back in the day when the entertainment industry believed outtakes were a Bad Thing, and the original Star Trek blooper reel was seen only on the surreptitious college circuit, it was often accompanied by some other showbiz bloopers. One, in particular, was hysterically funny...it featured Garry Moore, a Fifties game-show and variety-show host, doing his opening monologue wearing Bermuda shorts which had burst on the fashion-fad scene circa 1956. Unbeknownst to him, his fly was open -- and worse, he was commando. He did jokes for perhaps five minutes, slowly becoming more bewildered as he sensed that the audience was laughing at all the wrong times...like whenever he turned from side to side.

rj

Re:Euphemisms (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22349904)

This is a troll! Scots don't wear pants!!

Re:Euphemisms (1)

newtley (1014583) | more than 6 years ago | (#22349980)

I'm originally from London and that said, Ida fort OI, MATE! YOUR F***IN' FLIES ARE OPEN! woodabin even betah. Wish oida fort ov it. On second thoughts, though, it wouldn't have worked. Only one of the RIAA minions is male. So maybe you're correct ;p Cheers! Jon - p2pnet

Re:Euphemisms (1)

Phoenix666 (184391) | more than 6 years ago | (#22350022)

"quiet and genteel." Methinks you've never seen "Little Britain," been to a football match, or watched a session of Parliament.

I do not think those words mean what you think they mean. ;-)

Re:Euphemisms (0, Offtopic)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 6 years ago | (#22350324)

YOU know that and I know that but as far as our brothers across the pond know, we're all still dressing as chimney sweeps and saying "Gor blimey, Mary Poppins" every five minutes.

And that of course means that they're more than willing to spend vast wads of their hard-earned dollars flying over to London and getting ripped-off by Cockney-sounding Dick Van Dyke wannabes which reduces our balance of trade deficit, thus keeping the interest down meaning the exchange rate stays up so it's easier for us to buy villas in Florida, go to Disney World and all talk and dress like chimney sweeps with really bad teeth.

Thus the myth is maintained, the circle is complete and at this rate, within about 25 years, we'll all be able to buy the state of Maine for about £1.50.

And when we're all living over there, then we'll give them a right good tupping... "Colony, my arse!"

Re:Euphemisms (1)

josemayor1 (1070508) | more than 6 years ago | (#22350326)

This sentence is...Im not have words to this.

http://www.doivol.com/ [doivol.com] Humor

Re:Euphemisms (2, Funny)

JoeZeppy (715167) | more than 6 years ago | (#22350866)

Over here in Blighty, the expression "you have egg on your face" is often said to a man who had forgotten to zip up his trouser flies, possibly after visiting a urinal.

Ha! Where I'm from, we say "Kennywood's open!"

50 Imaginary mod points to the first person to correctly localize that euphemism!

Re:Euphemisms (1)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 6 years ago | (#22350972)

Your name is Nels Olsen, you were the storekeeper in "Little House On The Prairie" and I claim my 50 mod points.

Yay!

Re:Euphemisms (3, Informative)

JeepFanatic (993244) | more than 6 years ago | (#22351228)

So ... what part of Pittsburgh are you from?

is this a victory against the RIAA? (1)

kevgaxxana (1197617) | more than 6 years ago | (#22349578)

i really can't tell, because the could just as easily use this for momentum.

I love NewYorkCountyLawyer (5, Funny)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | more than 6 years ago | (#22349588)

How many times on how many levels can one reference oneself. He submitted an article that was written by him about a court ruling on his work. I'm not dissing him, I'm just envious. Maybe someday, I'll figure out a way to write a fully recursive story.

Re:I love NewYorkCountyLawyer (2, Insightful)

RockedMan40 (1130729) | more than 6 years ago | (#22349644)

Well - If he can deliver a good smackdown to ANY *IAA group, he can post "I am God" every day on ./ for all I care!

And If I have mod points that day, will give him an "Informative" or "Underrated" mod!

Re:I love NewYorkCountyLawyer (1)

reddburn (1109121) | more than 6 years ago | (#22349692)

Then make your atom/rss feed post to the firehose. Do you really think that it's him that posts each of these stories? I've never met busier people than practicing trial attorneys, outside of teaching hospitals.

Re:I love NewYorkCountyLawyer (1)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 6 years ago | (#22349720)

Hey, don't knock it!

The best and most interesting story I could think of publishing about myself was that I once tripped over the foot of Fish, the (then) lead singer of the British progressive rock band, Marillion, at a music festival.

It's not even as though I could give the story a comical ending by stating that either he or I fell over face first into a conveniently-placed pile of cow manure - all he said to me was "Mind yourself" in his strong Scottish brogue and went on his merry way.

Ho hum.

Re:I love NewYorkCountyLawyer (1)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 6 years ago | (#22349756)

Maybe someday, I'll figure out a way to write a fully recursive story.

That's the easy part. The hard part is getting it on slashdot's front page. Since Mr. Beckerman is writing about something that is near and dear to many slashdotters' hearts (mine included) it's easy for him, hard for you and me.

Speaking of which, I apologize for the dearth of self-referential slashdot journals lately.

Re:I love NewYorkCountyLawyer (5, Interesting)

NewYorkCountryLawyer (912032) | more than 6 years ago | (#22349864)

Mr. Beckerman is writing about something that is near and dear to many slashdotters' hearts (mine included)
You're right. The way I first heard about Slashdot was that one day I found a post on my blog about RIAA litigation getting clobbered by visitors from a place called "slashdot.org" where an amazing Talmudic debate was under way, in which various participants were citing to various segments of various litigation documents and transcripts. I said to myself

"what the heck is this? it looks like an internet discussion board but it's obviously something much different than that? and who are these people, they seem like lawyers, who else would be interested? but they seem smarter than lawyers? just as argumentative, but more logical?"
So I asked my youngest son, who is an astrophysicist and techie, and he set me straight. And my life hasn't been the same since.

Re:I love NewYorkCountyLawyer (5, Funny)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 6 years ago | (#22350048)

So I asked my youngest son, who is an astrophysicist and techie, and he set me straight.
He said:

"No, dad, these people aren't like you. They have souls unlike lawyers but they lack lives.

A lawyer will have many dates while a geek or nerd will have none. You might wow a girl by bringing her home to your mansion and serving her fine wine & caviar, a Slashdotter will call upstairs to his mother for more rice krispy treats and kool aid.

You know your bounds on expertise and the law is your opinion. The Slashdotter knows no bounds on his expertise and his opinion is the law.

So you see, dad, if you try and communicate with these beings, you best not make a mistake or confuse Shatner with Nimoy or you'll face the most demeaning comments the internet has ever seen.

Re:I love NewYorkCountyLawyer (3, Interesting)

NewYorkCountryLawyer (912032) | more than 6 years ago | (#22350222)

No, that is not what he said.

Remember,
(a) he's a geek too, and
(b) I'm basically a nerd, although I've misplaced the pocket protectors which served me so well during my days at Bronx High School of Science.

Re:I love NewYorkCountyLawyer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22350584)

(b) I'm basically a nerd, although I've misplaced the pocket protectors which served me so well during my days at Bronx High School of Science.
Though not mentioned, one can assume *cough* that he knows exactly where his old sliderule is. Welcome home NewYorkCountryLawyer [slashdot.org] .

Coming from 666, the welcome home may not count for much, but I, for one, am glad you decided to join us here.

So which one are you? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22350386)

Sexless or soulless? Or worse than both: a tourist?

been both places (4, Informative)

nomadic (141991) | more than 6 years ago | (#22350500)

A lawyer will have many dates while a geek or nerd will have none.

As an ex-sysadmin turned lawyer I can assure you, to my great chagrin, that is not true.

Re:I love NewYorkCountyLawyer (3, Funny)

NewYorkCountryLawyer (912032) | more than 6 years ago | (#22349758)

How many times on how many levels can one reference oneself. He submitted an article that was written by him about a court ruling on his work. I'm not dissing him, I'm just envious. Maybe someday, I'll figure out a way to write a fully recursive story.
In my defense, I wasn't planning to submit this article. A friend had the idea, and twisted my arm to do it.

But now that I've done it, I'm glad I did, because I'm reading some of the funniest comments I've ever read, such as this one [slashdot.org] , this one [slashdot.org] , and this one [slashdot.org] . And the thread is only about 20 minutes old at this point, so I would say we're just getting warmed up.

Re:I love NewYorkCountyLawyer (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22349858)

You just had to add one more level by posting a comment, didn't you...

Re:I love NewYorkCountyLawyer (4, Insightful)

NewYorkCountryLawyer (912032) | more than 6 years ago | (#22350126)

You just had to add one more level by posting a comment, didn't you...
I always comment. Being a good listener isn't one of my virtues.

Re:I love NewYorkCountyLawyer (2, Funny)

Reziac (43301) | more than 6 years ago | (#22350450)

So long as you're a good talker, we don't care. [g]

Now, go crack some more eggs!!

[This is the RIAA. This is the RIAA fried with bacon. Any questions??]

Re:I love NewYorkCountyLawyer (1)

RockedMan40 (1130729) | more than 6 years ago | (#22351072)



Went to lunch, came back, and *still* chuckling over all this....

Rock on, Country!

Re:I love NewYorkCountyLawyer (1)

fishthegeek (943099) | more than 6 years ago | (#22350564)

Dear God I needed that laugh! You are my "Internet Hero of the Day!"

Dr. Seuss (2, Funny)

scubanator87 (1023313) | more than 6 years ago | (#22349714)

Would you like green eggs and ham?

Only a judge of good character (5, Funny)

zappepcs (820751) | more than 6 years ago | (#22349746)

would be able to do this without laughing loudly and falling off their chair... emphasis is mine

the RIAA lawyers attacked the blog 'Recording Industry vs. The People' for its criticism of the RIAA as seeking to 'abuse the American judicial system, distort copyright law, and frighten ordinary working people and their children' and then falsely claimed that the blog's author is an EFF attorney -- this despite the fact that they know that the blog's author (known on Slashdot as NewYorkCountryLawyer) is a partner in a New York law firm and not an EFF attorney. Judge Gertner apparently wasn't impressed, and granted the EFF's motion [CC], rejecting the RIAA's objections, since she felt amici curiae might 'shed light' on the 'copyright law' and 'computer technology' issues before her."
The RIAA accused NewYorkCountryLawyer of using *THEIR* business model against them. Surely that is illegal? right?

Re:Only a judge of good character (2, Funny)

arootbeer (808234) | more than 6 years ago | (#22349918)

Only if they patented it! Haven't you been keeping up with slashdot?

nycl: an offer (5, Interesting)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 6 years ago | (#22349920)

i live and work in midtown, have an hd camera and an editting set up, and a burning passion in support of a common sense approach to intellectual property [kuro5hin.org]

i am not looking for a soap box, i am offering you a soap box. if you ever had dreams of pulling a michael moore or a morgan spurlock [imdb.com] on the riaa, let's do it

call it "taking on the riaa", or i am sure you can think of a better title. we can sample some of the more egregious bastard things these guys pull, and document, in real time, as they are taken down in case after case, digesting it into something more palatable for the mainstream public by explaining to them why it should matter (in a cinematic way, not a talky way: interview say that woman from wappingers falls who was attacked). emotionally, it would simply be little guy versus vile conglomerate. all factual, no stagey theatrics. but not boring and dry legalese. done right, it would be cinema gold

i'm 100% serious. if you are game, i am willing to commit serious time to this. lead us on nycl. i am sure there are other slashdotters who would sign on to this too

Re:nycl: an offer (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22350002)

Make your horror movie first before you stack on any other projects. Maybe if you stopped sucking M$ cock your video data would be processed by now.

Re:nycl: an offer (1)

robot_love (1089921) | more than 6 years ago | (#22350376)

I believe the guerilla documentary is the most effective tool we have in the battle against corporations and the government. If this gets rolling, I promise two things: 1. Make it refundable in case it all falls through and I'll donate 50 pounds to the movie. 2. I'll spend no less than 100 GB of bandwidth distributing it on eMule.

What this really needs is someone to organize it and make it happen. I'd volunteer, but I'm already fighting the fight over at iRate Radio (our attempt to completely circumvent the RIAA. Come check us out, the project is just taking off again and is destined for something great).

if you put in on emule (1)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 6 years ago | (#22350594)

i will sue you into oblivion ;-)

Re:nycl: an offer (1)

RobBebop (947356) | more than 6 years ago | (#22350874)

Number 1 rule of message board self-promotion, when you refer to your project ALWAYS provide the link you want people to use.

I found an interview with iRATE Radio Creator Anthony Jones [kuro5hin.org] , a SourceForge page [sourceforge.net] , and the Wikipedia article. [wikipedia.org]

Number 2 rule of self-promotion, explain why I should care. In the case of iRate, you should probably say something like:

iRate is a Legal Mp3 aggregation tool that finds highly rated, copyleft music that matches a users preferences and automagically downloads it into the user's library.

Number 3 rule... get it posted on the message board mainpage when it is ready for general consumption. Because people are less likely to check it out if it is only posted in a comment.

Re:nycl: an offer (1)

RobBebop (947356) | more than 6 years ago | (#22351204)

Off Topic: The link in your Sig to "bangamovie.com" seems to point to a Domain Squatter.

On topic:

Word of caution: Making a film is hard work, but you probably know that from the low budget film you are producing. I have personally put together a "movie [metaphrast.com] " of an experience I had last summer. This came together over the course of 2 weeks of filming and 3-4 months of editing. Mind you, I didn't have to any of the things that you'll have to do such as (a) research, (b) write a script, (c) edit the script to create a compelling story, or (d) contact people to do interviews with.

I guess my point is: You would really need the right set of creative and technical people to accomplish what you are suggesting.

That said, it sounds like a great idea. If I could help with research or scripting or anything needed based in the Boston area... try to get in contact (link to a site that has an e-mail address for me is in my signature).

Definition of Amicus Curiae (5, Informative)

sorak (246725) | more than 6 years ago | (#22350040)

From Wikipedia [wikipedia.org]

Amicus curiae (plural amici curiae) is a legal Latin phrase, literally translated as "friend of the court", that refers to someone, not a party to a case, who volunteers to offer information on a point of law or some other aspect of the case to assist the court in deciding a matter before it. The information may be a legal opinion in the form of a brief - testimony that has not been solicited by any of the parties - or a learned treatise on a matter that bears on the case. The decision whether to admit the information lies with the discretion of the court.

In case anyone else was wondering what amicus curiae meant.

slashdot is getting embarrasing (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22350236)

Every post is just some bullshit about how the RIAA are evil and everyone can have free everything with no downside, or ramblings about how someone somewhere said they dislike vista and thus Microsoft is teh doomed.
Its getting pathetic.

Re:slashdot is getting embarrasing (0)

arizwebfoot (1228544) | more than 6 years ago | (#22350320)

Who pee'd in your wheaties this morning?

Oh Noes! A judge making an informed decision... (1)

crovira (10242) | more than 6 years ago | (#22350296)

What's next?

The courts are going to be fair?

What ever shall become of the RIAA?

c'mon RIAA, go frontal, not guerrilla (2, Interesting)

bzipitidoo (647217) | more than 6 years ago | (#22350444)

accuse Plaintiffs of acting as "a cartel of multinational corporations [that] collude to abuse our judicial system, distort copyright law, and frighten ordinary working people and their children."

Well, RIAA lawyers, the answer is simple. Show the world you believe what you say. Sue NYCL for libel! Take on Harvard too, while you're at it. The aggrieved tone of that statement tries to make the accusation sound ridiculous. So why don't you RIAA guys put your money where your mouth is, and sue? You have full confidence you will win, don't you, because he's wrong? Or could it be he's right, and you're nothing but a bunch of sulky bullies spouting trash talk from a safe distance? Guess you haven't got guts enough to take him on, and that says it all right there. This attempt to quash a brief is the equivalent of wishing you could have someone arrested and jailed, but in absence of any reason to do so settling for walking your dog over to fertilize his yard. Weak.

Question for NewYorkCountryLawyer (2, Insightful)

ShinmaWa (449201) | more than 6 years ago | (#22350880)

One thing that wasn't made clear by the articles, that I was hoping Mr. Beckerman could clear up. It appeared that the EFF was awarded their motion in spite of the RIAA's attempt to falsely associate you and your blog to them, but there's no indication, that I saw, that the court has been made aware that you and your blog are not at all associated.

Was the false association that the RIAA made between you and the RIAA ever set straight to the court? I know that if anyone tried to falsely associate me to an organization in such a manner, even to an upstanding organization such as EFF, I would be writing all kinds of letters attempting to set the record straight.

Re:Question for NewYorkCountryLawyer (1)

ShinmaWa (449201) | more than 6 years ago | (#22350962)

made between you and the RIAA
My bad. That should have read "between you and the EFF". I'm on cold meds, can't you tell? :)

Also want to know (1)

Kythe (4779) | more than 6 years ago | (#22351106)

I'd also like to know if RIAA might face any penalties for lying in their statements to the court. Does this count as perjury?
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