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"Anonymous" Takes Scientology Protest to the Streets

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 6 years ago | from the watch-out-for-the-hit-squads dept.

The Internet 740

This past Sunday members of the group "Anonymous" that has been running an attack on the church of Scientology took their battle from the tubes of the internet to the pavement of real life, staging a protest outside the central Phoenix Church of Scientology. "The protesters said they gathered Sunday in lieu of the birthday of Lisa McPherson, a Scientologist once cared for by church staffers. Her 1995 death sparked media attention and a civil wrongful death suit against a branch of the Church of Scientology. A wrongful death suit by her family was a public-relations nightmare for the church for years until it was settled in 2004. The Church of Scientology declined to comment on the Phoenix protests. It did provide a news release calling members of Anonymous cyber-terrorists."

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740 comments

Balanced view. (-1, Troll)

Besna (1175279) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384334)

I've tried to take an objective look at Scientology. I am not a theist (atheist), but do think reincarnation is plausible. Something must be retained from death to birth, so that might as well be called a thetan. Much of the rest of Scientology seems like reasonable psychology as well--dualist, but without the supernatural. Certainly no obvious fairy tales, like Christian, Jewish, or Islamic miracles. I think the antagonism to psychiatry is the result of wanting to know what we don't yet--this aspect leads to unfortunate incidents such as this. If you strip away the secrecy and celebrity, there are some interesting ideas there.

Re:Balanced view. (4, Insightful)

nuzak (959558) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384372)

> Something must be retained from death to birth

Never mind proof, what indication do you even have of this other than your gut feeling?

Re:Balanced view. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22384450)

don't crush his fairy tale.

I'm an xian and love intellectual honesty.

Re:Balanced view. (5, Insightful)

PachmanP (881352) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384698)

Never mind proof, what indication do you even have of this other than your gut feeling?

He said he was an atheist; he never indicated that he was guided by reason/logic/scientific method.
Remember kids,
Atheist does not imply scientist/logician

Re:Balanced view. (5, Insightful)

JamesRose (1062530) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384378)

How do you take a balanced view of a religion that wont tell you it's beleifs before you've bought into it. Where did you get the information? How do you guarentee it's accurate.

A guarantee (5, Insightful)

iknownuttin (1099999) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384732)

How do you guarentee it's accurate.

It's a religion; therefore, I guarantee it isn't accurate.

Re:Balanced view. (4, Informative)

epiphani (254981) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384806)

Easy. You talk to the people who've left it.

Voiceless [youtube.com]

Thats one. There are hundreds, if not thousands, more. Including the niece of David Miscavish (the current leader of scientology).

Come on people, the information is out there. You can easily take a balanced view by READING the accounts of the hundreds of people who've been victimized. Look up Paulette Cooper. Shes still alive today to tell her story of being harassed and sued for 15 straight years.

Re:Balanced view. (1)

cthulu_mt (1124113) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384380)

Something must be retained from death to birth
Got some evidence for this? Otherwise please head to the back of the classroom.

Re:Balanced view. (1)

Besna (1175279) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384530)

I meant that it would follow from the plausible reasoning of reincarnation. Taken out of context, it seems like I'm asserting something that I am not.

Re:Balanced view. (1)

nebulus4 (799015) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384690)

Evidence? You just know this, just like when "you drive by an accident, you know you have to do something about it, because you know you're the only one who can really help."

Re:Balanced view. (1)

JustOK (667959) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384820)

Prove to me that YOU exist first.

Re:Balanced view. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22384390)

Like the evil Lord Xenu and space ships that look like DC-9's?

Re:Balanced view.CORRECTION (3, Informative)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384782)

Like the evil Lord Xenu and space ships that look like DC-9's?

I believe you mean DC-8's -- but without the propellers...

Oops! The DC-8 was and is a pure jet aircraft. No propellers.

Re:Balanced view. (5, Insightful)

Swordopolis (1159065) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384430)

From Wikipedia:

"The Galactic Confederacy's civilization was comparable to our own, with aliens "walking around in clothes which looked very remarkably like the clothes they wear this very minute" and using cars, trains and boats looking exactly the same as those "circa 1950, 1960" on Earth. Xenu was about to be deposed from power, so he devised a plot to eliminate the excess population from his dominions. With the assistance of "renegades", he defeated the populace and the "Loyal Officers", a force for good that was opposed to Xenu. Then, with the assistance of psychiatrists, he summoned billions[1] of his citizens together to paralyze them with injections of alcohol and glycol, under the pretense that they were being called for "income tax inspections". The kidnapped populace was loaded into spacecraft for transport to the site of extermination, the planet of Teegeeack (Earth). The spacecraft were identical to the Douglas DC-8 with the exception of having different engines."

The "origins" story of Scientology is total bunk that sounds like bad sci-fi written by a sleep-deprived crackhead. You can't even spin this as a parable like with Biblical accounts, etc. It's just plain trash that doesn't stand up to any scrutiny.

Re:Balanced view. (5, Insightful)

91degrees (207121) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384526)

The "origins" story of Scientology is total bunk that sounds like bad sci-fi written by a sleep-deprived crackhead. You can't even spin this as a parable like with Biblical accounts, etc. It's just plain trash that doesn't stand up to any scrutiny.

I don't have a problem with that. What I do have a problem with is a for-profit organisation masquerading as a religion, the secrecy, their aggressive legal tactics, their apparent refusal to ever apologise for any mistake they've made, and their underhand tactics to get and keep recruits.

Re:Balanced view. (5, Insightful)

Atzanteol (99067) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384646)

Wait... Which religion are you talking about again?

MOD PARENT UP (2, Insightful)

SnoopJeDi (859765) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384710)

Honestly, if I hadn't spent those modpoints on half-ass comments...

Religion is a man-made construct, social by definition and in nature. If you're looking for God, religion is a crutch.

Re:Balanced view. (5, Insightful)

WilliamSChips (793741) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384816)

Most religions(the Vatican notwithstanding) don't withhold their most sacred texts, and you can find the Bible or Qu'ran or Torah or whatever Hindus read on the Internet, usually posted by their most ardent followers. With Scientology, you can only find them on places like Operation Clambake. (Actually, for that matter, the Vatican mostly withholds texts of other religions...)

Re:Balanced view. (1)

Trauma_Hound1 (336247) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384554)

You would think, if they could accomplish intergalactic travel in DC-8's with different engines, they would have something better than 1950/60's era cars and trains.

Re:Balanced view. (3, Funny)

Gideon Fubar (833343) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384652)

of course.. L. Ron only said they look like 1950/60's era cars and trains. They were reality-retconned, because Xenu is a psychic alien who can see the future.

sheesh.. is it really that hard to work out? ;)

Re:Balanced view. (5, Funny)

gandhi_2 (1108023) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384640)

I don't know man. It sounds legit.

Re:Balanced view. (2, Informative)

easyTree (1042254) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384724)

The "origins" story of Scientology is total bunk that sounds like bad sci-fi written by a sleep-deprived crackhead.

Yep, L. Ron Hubbard, to be precise; sci-fi author: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._Ron_Hubbard [wikipedia.org]

Re:Balanced view. (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22384442)

If you strip away the secrecy and celebrity, there are some interesting ideas there.
... not to forget: mental manipulation, extorsion, etc...

When you strip all that away, the whole house of cards falls apart (which is a measure how interesting it all is, i.e. zero).

Re:Balanced view. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22384454)

Certainly no obvious fairy tales, like Christian, Jewish, or Islamic miracles.
Yeah nothing like things supposedly during time periods orders of magnitude longer ago than the approximate age of the universe.

As wacky, maybe. Less wacky, no.

Re:Balanced view. (1)

cheesee (97693) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384460)

Without the supernatural? Travelling to earth on rocket powered airplanes and huge aliens blowing up volcanoes with thermonuclear weapons? Well, I do suppose its more science fiction than supernatural

Re:Balanced view. (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384472)

No. The antagonism to psychiatry is clearly a a conflict of interest.
They want you to go to them and give them your money rather that you
giving it to a shrink. You can't really read ANY of Hubbard's stuff
and not realize this.

This includes his fiction as well as his pseudo-fiction.

Scientology: Come spend your money here! ---

Re:Balanced view. (2, Interesting)

popmaker (570147) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384484)

Like the idea that Xenu, the giant space monster, trapped our real souls in a volcano? Plausible.

Re:Balanced view. (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22384486)

When you look at a religion, what's important is not how absurd the beliefs are (they all are otherwise it wouldn't be a religion). What matters is what the people (and especially high up in the hierarchy) do. And what the scientologists do is scary. Not that they have a monopoly on being scary, radical Islamists and especially the US radical Christians (that are no worse but have the power to do a lot more damage) scare the hell out of me as well.

Mandatory xkcd joke (2, Interesting)

popmaker (570147) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384602)

Re:Balanced view. (1)

sumdumass (711423) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384840)

Lol.. A religion doesn't have to be absurd. All that is necessary is a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith. That was taken from the Merriam-Webster's Online Dictionary.

In fact, there have been some people who push science as a religion. You wouldn't say science is absurd would you?

Re:Balanced view. (5, Informative)

NothingMore (943591) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384514)

Anon doesnt have an issue with the religious views of the church. They have an issue with the church itself which is why in one of there recent videos they talk about the "Free Zone" (People who follow the beliefs of the religion but are not affiliated with Scientology) which they have no issues with.

Re:Balanced view. (2, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384520)

I am not a theist (atheist), but do think reincarnation is plausible. Something must be retained from death to birth, so that might as well be called a thetan.

Why do you suppose that "something must be retained from death to birth"? Other than energy being conserved, that is.

Much of the rest of Scientology seems like reasonable psychology as well--dualist, but without the supernatural

Dualism is supernatural.

Certainly no obvious fairy tales, like Christian, Jewish, or Islamic miracles.

Uh, what? Have you ever heard of Xenu [wikipedia.org] ?

I think the antagonism to psychiatry is the result of wanting to know what we don't yet--this aspect leads to unfortunate incidents such as this.

No, they just don't want the competition. It's bad for the bottom line.

If you strip away the secrecy and celebrity, there are some interesting ideas there.

Such as?

Re:Balanced view. (2, Insightful)

onion2k (203094) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384538)

"Much of the rest of Scientology seems like reasonable psychology" ... asking people to take a psychometric 'personality test' designed to lead them into buying into the idea and investing from tens of dollars for a book up to thousands of dollars for a course in the 'church' is far from what I would call reasonable.

As for that stuff about Xenu dropping neutron bombs into Earth's volcanoes from intergalactic DC-8s ... that wasn't an obvious a fairy tale? What do you think it was? A documentary?

Antagonism to psychology (3, Interesting)

spun (1352) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384560)

It comes from the fact that LRH was a high functioning paranoid schizophrenic. His first wife tried to have him committed. Plus, psychology actually, you know, has scientific experiments backing up its efficacy. This obviates the need for LRH's psycho-babble snake-oil.

Psychiatric labels (1)

Besna (1175279) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384760)

Psychiatry only deals with what is normal. Most religious people would be described of as normal according to DSM. This is despite believing in obviously inconsistent events. One who is schizophrenic does have real issues in occupation or social functioning (as the DSM specifies). A schizophrenic may still have a more accurate view of the world.

FLUNK (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22384572)

I've tried to take an objective look at Scientology. I am not a theist (atheist), but do think reincarnation is plausible. Something must be retained from death to birth, so that might as well be called a thetan. Much of the rest of Scientology seems like reasonable psychology as well--dualist, but without the supernatural. Certainly no obvious fairy tales, like Christian, Jewish, or Islamic miracles. I think the antagonism to psychiatry is the result of wanting to know what we don't yet--this aspect leads to unfortunate incidents such as this. If you strip away the secrecy and celebrity, there are some interesting ideas there.

1) Unfouneded claim of objectivity.
2) Claim that Scientology is somehow compatible with both atheism and supernatural belief systems such as those that include reincarnation.
3) Claim that Scientology doesn't make supernatural claims.
4) Claim that psychiatry is somehow incomplete because it doesn't explain the supernatural -- but wait, who the hell brought up psychiatry? This is a total non sequitur, other than being a dead giveaway about who you're really working for.
5) Claim that there are "interesting ideas" (implying that we wogs should sign up and try for ourselves)

If you're a Scieno attempting to distract us from the topic at hand -- the long string of abuses and crimes perpetrated by the Cult of Scientology -- you FLUNK. Half rations of rice and beans for you, and six more weeks in RPF!

(If you're merely trolling Slashdot by pretending to be a Scieno, you did a good enough job to fool me, though! Well-played! :-)

Re:Balanced view. (5, Informative)

KublaiKhan (522918) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384578)

Interestingly, it's not the beliefs of Scientology that were being protested--if you read through some of the more recent Anonymous releases, you'll note that they emphasize that it's the organization that calls itself the Church of Scientology that's being protested, on account of its practices.

Anonymous has explicitly noted that the "Free Zone"--that is, the Scientologists outside the organization--are just fine and dandy.

O'course, the "Free Zone" doesn't charge for its teaching...

But I don't think the antagonism against psychiatry is what you think it is--I think it's more a control structure (given that the auditing, in essence, imparts a codependent relationship between the auditee and the auditor (and by extension, the CoS)). Also worth noting is that the founder, Mr. Hubbard, had a very distinct antipathy towards the profession, and which created certain aspects of Scientology specifically to counter standard psychiatric practice.

I would note that, while not a member per se of Anonymous, I do think that their efforts against Scientology are a good thing, and were carried out remarkably peacefully and with remarkably good organization.

(I've also heard there's more planned for 3/15--beware the Ides of March!)

It's not the beliefs. It's their actions. (2, Insightful)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384630)

no matter how much balanced you want to be, it doesn't stop Scientology from abusing its members. Even IF what Scientology claimed was true, does that give them the right to ask for incredible amounts of money to spread its beliefs, and killing/suing whoever opposes them?

The ideas can remain interesting. (1)

Besna (1175279) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384808)

Concealing the ideas does not make them less interesting or true. It does just the opposite--perhaps makes them seem more suspect. A sort of 'truth through obscurity' is no way to promote what you think is a reasonable worldview. Still, whatever is in those talks in dark rooms may be reasonable.

Re:Balanced view. (1)

n9hmg (548792) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384642)

Man! Accepting even your first principle requires a large complex, and unsupported leap of faith.

Turn the tables (5, Funny)

Quattro Vezina (714892) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384348)

Scientology likes suing people for libel. Let's turn the tables on that. Maybe members of Anonymous should sue Scientology for libel for making accusations of terrorism.

Re:Turn the tables (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22384480)

Then you present a hard target and that is exactly what they want. Don't make the mistake that they will play by the rules. Legal action is the least of your concerns when the Sci-Fucks get your identity.

Re:Turn the tables (1)

Jarjarthejedi (996957) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384488)

Not to sound pessimistic but I highly doubt they'd win, what with the modern definition of cyber-terrorism (I'm fairly certain I heard that Anonymous had hacked the Scientology site or something) and, with the power Scientology wields in the political and judicial areas, it wouldn't be too hard for them to convince a judge that Anonymous had commited acts of cyber-terrorism.

Not to mention that would completely mess up there name, they'd have to be Anonymous (except Tim who filed a law suit on our behalf against the Scientologists) and that would make recruitment much harder :P.

Re:Turn the tables (2, Informative)

SirLurksAlot (1169039) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384548)

IANAL, but I'm fairly certain they would need to reveal their identities in order to do that, which would really the defeat the whole purpose. Besides, think of the hassle it would cause for them to have to come up with a new name with the same degree of awesome!

Not just Pheonix (5, Informative)

Donniedarkness (895066) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384366)

This was happening all over the world. According to wikinews (last time I checked), there were 9200 participants worldwide (although sadly, only 40 here in Nashville).

Re:Not just Pheonix (3, Informative)

Therlin (126989) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384422)

Yeah, I saw a group of 30 or so folks near downtown Orlando, across the street from the local Scientology location this past Sunday around 2 pm.

Re:Not just Pheonix (1)

Pro777 (90089) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384516)

Mad props to the Anonys in colder climes. Toronto, Minneapolis, and Milwaukee all had subzero weather to content with and had amazing turnouts respectively.

Re:Not just Pheonix (1)

Donniedarkness (895066) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384546)

No kidding. In Minnesota, the weather channel reported that temperatures got as low as -40F (with wind chill).... and if I'm remembering correctly, there were 40-50 Anons there.

Re:Not just Pheonix (5, Informative)

Flameon (1008347) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384564)

Since there's a lot of pictures and videos from these protests all over the world here's a few good links.

http://forums.enturbulation.org/ [enturbulation.org]
- A bit of planning, a early rough estimate of attendees around the world, post protest media being uploaded all the time.

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews_international_report:_%22Anonymous%22_holds_anti-Scientology_protests_worldwide [wikinews.org]
- Wikinews with pics/vids/links related to 10feb.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chanology [wikipedia.org]
- About the project so far (sources only from credible media)

http://www.partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology [partyvan.info]
- Anonymous own wiki on the project, mainly used to gather information, results, future plans and events.

Re:Not just Pheonix (5, Informative)

epiphani (254981) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384714)

Heres the rundown:

London, UK - around 500 people.
LA - around 500 people
Sydney, Australia - around 300 people.
Clearwater, Florida - around 250 people. This one is scientology headquarters.
New York - around 320 people
Boston - around 270 people
Atlanta - around 250 people. They called out the riot squad in full gear, with a helicopter. There was no incidents at all.
Washington DC - around 200 people.
Toronto - around 200 people.

In total, the estimates are around 8000 people worldwide. The aim was, of course, to get over 9000.

grip: i submitted details of these protests to slashdot twice before this took place, hoping we could get some of you folks out. *shakes fist at editor*

COME NEXT TIME - MARCH 15TH.

Think about that a little. Re:Not just Pheonix (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22384846)

We're talking about 4channers and their ilk.

It was a wiki.

Someone said 9200.

9200 is...

OVER NINE THOUSAND!

what (5, Funny)

User 956 (568564) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384376)

Anonymous, eh? Cowards.

Re:what (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22384432)

I heard its really just a bunch of ebaumsworld users...

Re:what (1)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384464)

If they're in the streets protesting, they're not exactly anonymous, are they? I have to admit, they've got balls: the Church of Scientology plays rough.

Re:what (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22384674)

If they're in the streets protesting, they're not exactly anonymous, are they?

That's why they were almost all wearing masks, or otherwise covering their faces. The true face of the internet has no face.

Re:what (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22384762)

Yup, some of those protesters really have balls.

But only the women. Eeeurgh!!

Re:what (1)

Atzanteol (99067) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384774)

They may not be Anonymous, but a lot of them resemble Guy Fawkes [wikinews.org] .

Re:what (4, Insightful)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384678)

Anonymous, eh? Cowards.

Funny that you mention that. Slashdot allows Anonymous Cowards to post precisely for the same reason: To protect them from retaliation.

Re:what (0, Troll)

flyingsquid (813711) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384748)

Anonymous, eh? Cowards.

Not just that, but a bunch of drunkards. Apparently their ranks are filled with so many alcoholics, that this Anonymous group needed to start a 12-step program.

Nth post, for some small value of N! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22384396)

Woo hoo!! (This is a hell of a lot easier than "first post".)

P.S. Xenu says, "Wazzup?"

Photos (1)

Presto Vivace (882157) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384408)

I'm sorry I didn't tag the link, but somewhere on Flickr, there are photos of the event.

Take Caution (4, Funny)

AlphaLop (930759) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384424)

These fools don't know who they are messing with, it's all fun and games until someone drops your ass into a volcano..... :)

tl;dr summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22384426)

lol internet

cyber-terrorists? (1, Flamebait)

weighn (578357) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384434)

that's a cool thing isn't it? or is it bad? Bad as in Xenu bad?

The Video That Started It & A Few Notes (5, Informative)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384436)

The video that they forced off of YouTube can, thanks to Gawker, be found here [gawker.com] .

As a non-scientologist, this is scary. Possibly the most scary part of it is the editing. I have no problem with people having convictions but when he talks about "fightin' the fight" and "people needing them" and "people depending on them" ... I get a little frightened that people around me think like that. You may be able to argue that it's little different than Christianity or Islam but what I really fear are the people who are part of Sea Org [wikipedia.org] or offshore from the states and may have given up their rights as a civilian & American to have some sort of special standing in this group.

Whatever the case, I will not ever affiliate myself with a Scientologist and after reading Have You Lived Before This Life [wikipedia.org] , I will do everything in my power to convince those that I know and love to avoid Scientology.

The thing that concerns me about Scientology is that after reading some books by Hubbard about it, I have found very little criticism of it. A book [amazon.com] & some articles [cmu.edu] with the most notable one being Time Magazine. It seems like such an easy target. It takes seconds to find books criticizing Catholics or Muslims ... why are there so few publications attacking Scientology? There is definitely something scary about a very powerful organization and if they have people dumping money into them, I do not doubt they are capable of silencing anyone (unfortunately, even Slashdot [slashdot.org] ).

Re:The Video That Started It & A Few Notes (1)

couchslug (175151) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384696)

"The video that they forced off of YouTube can, thanks to Gawker, be found here [gawker.com]. "

They can be restored to YouTube under sock-puppet accounts, but of course I don't advocate doing this. :)

Re:The Video That Started It & A Few Notes (5, Informative)

KublaiKhan (522918) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384700)

It is a tenet of the Church of Scientology (the organization; I make no judgments about the beliefs of individual members) that any "SP"--that is, a 'suppressive person', or in more plain language, anybody who criticizes the church--is to be harassed, sued into oblivion, and otherwise removed as a threat by any means necessary.

Though the CoS claims that it revoked its official "fair game" doctrine that specifically endorsed these tactics in 1968, there have been a number of scientology defectors who have confirmed that they were instructed to carry out similar exercises against those whom the CoS has declared to be "SP".

This is, by the way, one of the reasons why Anonymous has been careful to conceal its members' identities. During the protest, the Scientologists are known to have videoed the protests; and taken special effort to photograph any members of Anonymous who were not wearing a mask, any cars that members of Anonymous entered, and in some cases, cars that stopped and received literature that Anonymous was handing out. It does not take any imagination at all to determine what the CoS is likely to do with this information.

Re:The Video That Started It & A Few Notes (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22384822)

Try reading the Bare-faced Messiah. Link to the full text at Wikipedia [wikipedia.org] .

Better coverage of the London protest (4, Interesting)

TheGreatGraySkwid (553871) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384438)

The linked article is pretty lame. Anybody got a link to better coverage of Phoenix?

There's an LJ Account [livejournal.com] from a participant in London that's a great read; sounds like something I would have been proud to participate in!

Re:Better coverage of the London protest (1)

clockwise_music (594832) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384618)

There was pretty extensive covering on the Australian TV news. I'd imagine that this was because it made good viewing - especially because everyone was wearing masks.

Here's an article about the protests in Australia [news.com.au] .

Old joke from the Gong Show (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22384448)

How do you steam a clam? Make fun of his religion!

(Xenu not pleased.)

Webcam uplink of Seatle protest (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22384468)

parent is myminicity link (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22384568)

do not click

Mommm! Tom Cruise wont come out of the closet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22384474)

Anyone else thinking of that episode of south park here?

Does the author know... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22384478)

...what the phrase "in lieu" *means*?

"...they gathered Sunday in lieu of the birthday of Lisa McPherson..."

I thought "it was all good"... (1, Insightful)

gandhi_2 (1108023) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384556)

in this post-modern society, i thought it was wrong to attack anyones bullshit beliefs. Gay is ok, Islam is protected, you can do whatever you want, thats the beauty. "It's all good."

Scientologists can believe whatever they want. Attacking their beliefs is the same as attacking Mormons, Jews, Muslims, Budhists, what ever. There's no universal right or wrong in a post-modern world.

Before you all scream that scientology is different, remember that the ONLY difference is when the leader/crackpot was born. L Ron Hubbard, Joe Smith, etc.... Just cause they came along in the 50's doesn't mean their bullshit is any less "sacred" than Catholic Bullshit.

To be fair, no religion should get tax-exempt status.

Re:I thought "it was all good"... (3, Informative)

Donniedarkness (895066) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384666)

They weren't attacking their beliefs, but rather their practices-- charging people for their literature (LARGE amounts of money... thousands and thousands of dollars before you can learn much about it at all), their treatment of people, etc.

Xenu.net is a good place to learn about all of this.

Re:I thought "it was all good"... (1)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384712)

Who gives a shit what people wanna spend their money on?

Who gives a shit how people are ok with being treated? Some people like being whipped in the bedroom, you got a problem with that?

Consensual in the bedroom if fine. (2, Interesting)

khasim (1285) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384844)

Consensual in the bedroom if fine.

The problem starts when the cult practices brainwashing and attacking anyone who disagrees with them.

That is what Scientology does.

It may START consensual, but it is a FIGHT to get out.

Re:I thought "it was all good"... (1)

gandhi_2 (1108023) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384824)

I don't disagree that they are full of shit. The point is: either we are a society where "it's all good" (religious pref, sex pref, pet ownership, skateboarding, whatever), or we aren't.

People decry the "religious right" pushing their Christian Values on others. Why does "anonymous" feel so inclined to attack this particular bullshit religion? Er..sorry...belief system?

Re:I thought "it was all good"... (1)

Eth1csGrad1ent (1175557) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384792)

Its not about attacking their beliefs...its about attacking their secrecy and the voracity with which they target their nay-sayers. It always amazes me how groups like this will fight to the death for the right to believe what they want to believe (free speech, free will) at the same time as they attempt to shut down anyone who would put forward an alternative (not free speech, no free will)

Protest? (0)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384604)

Didn't the Klu Klux Klan used to conduct similar "protests"?

Seriously, this is just harassment and persecution.

Persecution of crazy brainwashed idiots, but persecution none the less.

Re:Protest? (1)

couchslug (175151) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384720)

from your sig:

"When did insurgence against imperialism become a bad thing?"

So why is resistance to the psychological imperialism of Scientology a "bad" thing?

Re:Protest? (1)

Faust (78492) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384754)

Honestly, this cult has a history of horrible things, and we're not talking hundreds of years ago. Once again, not protesting the religion, just the church. Actually had a few members from the "freezone", that practice outside of the church protest with us. Please stop spreading their lies, they're vocal enough.

Re:Protest? (1)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384794)

As I said to a friend of mine who went.. What were you protesting? Who were you protesting to? At least the protest in Australia was actually about something - tax exempt status - and directed at the government. You can't protest the practices of a church to the church.. that makes not sense.

Re:Protest? (1)

Faust (78492) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384854)

The message did get a bit skewed, then again, it's hard to herd a bunch of people that don't have a leader. But the main idea was to get word out and let people know what is happening. You can see from reading many of the comments people are willing to push it under the rug just because they think its a religious issue.

All I needed to know (2, Interesting)

boristdog (133725) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384610)

I genereally feel scientology is as useless as any other religion.

But about 15 years ago they swindled a woman I know out of $50,000. She had inherited it when her mother died (fairly young), and she was quickly taken advantage of in her distraught mental state.

That told me all I needed to know about them. They're as bad or worse than any TV preacher asking for money.

Re:All I needed to know-REFUND (3, Interesting)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384736)

But about 15 years ago they swindled a woman I know out of $50,000.

She should demand a refund. No I'm not blowing smoke. Scientology promises full refunds if you ever wish to receive one on the basis that they didn't help. While not the easiest thing to pursue, there is a group out there (shouldn't be hard to find on the net) that assists former members with this process.

Scientology is really no different than ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22384620)

Christianty or Islam... And at least they updated their fairy tales to include aliens.

I'll post this as AC due to the religion trolls on /.

anonymous terrorist (1)

garlicbready (846542) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384636)

cyber-terrorism, because just being a plain old ordinary terrorist is just so boring these days

I attended the protest (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22384672)

And would like to point out that we were not protesting against the religion, we were protesting the Church.
Oh, and here are my pictures from Austin. [flickr.com]

They call themselves anonymous (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22384684)

They're like hackers on steroids.

Scientology's reply (1)

krod77 (953703) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384734)

What baffles me is to why Scientology forces websites to remove "copyrighted" material(For example that slashdot comment); they really brought about this situation upon themselves. That being said; I doubt Scientology will reply to all this activism, they are already in a bad situation and replying to it will only further the media coverage of it.

Maybe they will learn from their mistakes.

Clarification (3, Informative)

cheese-cube (910830) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384780)

As has been stated on the Raid Wiki [partyvan.info] , Anonymous is not protesting against the religion of Scientology itself, Anonymous is protesting against the organisations behind it, primarily the Church of Scientology, RTC and OSA.

Re:Clarification (0, Troll)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384830)

How is it "protesting"? Does that word even have any meaning in the USA anymore?

Marching around in masks and yelling things does not a protest make.

scientology's well known attack methods (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22384818)

LRon himself advocated "any means" to attack criticism. journalists or ex-members get treated with the full-on private investigator route, usually with their personal lives ruined. At worst, scientology will lie, cheat and steal (see breaking & entering government offices court case) to hide criticism. They will slander former members without any respect to truth, including calling them child abusers, child porn rings, etc. getting someone on the sexual predator list (which is public and notice of you is delivered by post to your neighbors whenever you move) is a brutal tactic they have used.

  Even when fully caught, they blame the perps as "fringe elements" and minimize the language (the government case is described to this day as "stealing photocopy paper" when it was the FBI's own investigative files about scientology and tax fraud). These fringe elements were the leaders of the group at the time, including LRon's wife.

  The "what are you afraid of" mantra is used once in a while to directly attack investigators or citizens. its quite scary when the local law enforcement sides with them.

  Really, there's nothing much to do except expose them as the liars, cheats and thieves they are, anonymously of course ;)

 

Bad Actors (3, Insightful)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 6 years ago | (#22384852)

It says a lot about Scientology - and actors - that so many actors buy into Scientology.

These are the actors from the very same tiny group of the overall population who also feel they should tell you how you should be voting, how the war against terrorism should be run, and why their opinions matter more than anyone else's do, and deserve more airtime (and make-up) than any "ordinary" citizen. The people who drop out of college, and even high school - and are proud of that fact!

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