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Windows XP Update Library On a CD

kdawson posted more than 6 years ago | from the offline-bliss dept.

Windows 166

KrispyKofta sends us to APC Magazine for a writeup on Project Dakota, a one-man effort to provide all Windows XP SP2 updates on one downloadable CD. It's poor man's XP SP3, but even when SP3 is out, the project will continue to offer a CD that will install all patches offline. "When was the last time you installed a fresh copy of Windows XP SP2? The process is still straightforward and relatively quick... but then you think 'I'll just make sure the patches are up to date,' and proceed to stare in horror at the 100+ security updates and critical fixes that Windows Update or WSUS demands you install. And it takes forever. A better option which we've just discovered is the innovative work of Alek Patsouris... it's a self-contained boot CD which contains all the necessary updates to automatically patch a Windows XP SP2 system with all the patches available at the CD's build time."

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This was called AutoPatcher, and MS killed it. (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22389086)

Those who don't know history...

Pirates are pirates...... (4, Interesting)

EmbeddedJanitor (597831) | more than 6 years ago | (#22389152)

even if they are helping you. :-)

Although it seems pretty silly, I can see MS's point of view. Autopatcher is essentially becoming a Windows patch "distro" and the more people that use this the less control MS have over patch roll out.

Say in the future MS want to push out a patch that is so mean and so unethical that Autopatcher refuse to include it (kids, don't say that's impossible - we all know MS has infinite Evilness). Suddenly MS has a large body of people that won't swallow the patch.

Less tinfoil-hat-wearing is that Autopatcher shows up MS's own ineptness.MS have shown for a long time that Windows users are their assets ("our install base") and don't treat them as customers. Customer service is secondary to asset control.

Re:Pirates are pirates...... (5, Informative)

RuBLed (995686) | more than 6 years ago | (#22389218)

If I followed the events last year correctly, It seems that the main argument of MS is that the AutoPatcher team distributes the patches from their own "servers" and not Microsoft's thus the possibility of the patches being distributed could be tampered with and not the "same" as the ones in MS servers.

Autopatcher was surely hurt by that but I believe they found a "loophole" in MS's demands. Last time I had visited the site, they are developing a client that would download the patches directly from the MS servers and after that act like the old Autopatcher.

Re:Pirates are pirates...... (5, Insightful)

Ardaen (1099611) | more than 6 years ago | (#22389516)

Uhm...
1. In any reasonable well designed system wouldn't the patches be, ya know, signed?
2. Any third party software that you run could tamper with your system. Kinda sounds like a flimsy excuse used by someone who doesn't want to state their real reasons.

Re:Pirates are pirates...... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22390630)

The update packages are, ya know, signed. But you wouldn't be running them directly. And at the point you start running someone's random code as administrator you've already lost. If you're not able to follow that maybe you should shut your fucking mouth.

Re:Pirates are pirates...... (1)

dmsuperman (1033704) | more than 6 years ago | (#22391108)

Right, but MS's patches aren't third party software. They don't want to be held liable for the patches, or even looked at negatively if the bad patches start being synonymous with MS's patches.

It is all about control (0, Troll)

EmbeddedJanitor (597831) | more than 6 years ago | (#22389548)

"Not on MS servers" is FUD, not a valid reason. For MS it is all about controlling the distribution chain.

It is all about reputation (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22389662)

Which is why an open source hacked distribution server isn't a big deal. Just go to another server.

Re:It is all about control (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22390610)

For MS it is all about controlling the distribution chain.
Or, more to the point, the quality.

If autopatcher breaks things then likely Microsoft will have to clean up the mess. (Remember they broke compatibility between CIFS and CIFS2 because of a bug in Samba because they knew they'd get blamed when the new OS couldn't talk to the old NAS.) They want to know that when things go wrong it's their fault.

Re:Pirates are pirates...... (3, Informative)

NorQue (1000887) | more than 6 years ago | (#22389732)

Autopatcher was surely hurt by that but I believe they found a "loophole" in MS's demands. Last time I had visited the site, they are developing a client that would download the patches directly from the MS servers and after that act like the old Autopatcher.
Few threads down [slashdot.org] you can find an already existing solution from a German computer magazine, no need to wait for "Autopatcher".

Couldn't understand why people used their packs in the first place anyways, people don't trust MS with their data, but they trust a random third party on the internet, giving them complete access to their system? Could as well visiting bareback parties.

Re:Pirates are pirates...... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22389886)

Sounds reasonable to me, I'd trust malware authors with my data before trusting MS.

Re:Pirates are pirates...... (5, Insightful)

William-Ely (875237) | more than 6 years ago | (#22391154)

For me it's not about trusting the update source, it's about having a copy of the updates ready for install on a computer when time is an issue. Not everyone has the bandwidth to suck down 270 Meg service packs... yet. I used Autopatcher frequently when I was an on site PC tech since it saved a lot of time for my clients.

Re:Pirates are pirates...... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22389746)

This is of course, a ridiculous argument - Windows patches are all signed. Providing the signature is checked, they cannot be meaningfully tampered with.

But yes. The CD includes the patches. Bad call, MS will shut it down. Apparently you have to go build this stuff yourself from a monster download from MS at least once, because MS are still firmly stuck in last century and don't allow even mirroring; because they've got Akamai! What could go wrong?! (sigh.)

Re:Pirates are pirates...... (1)

dmbrun (907271) | more than 6 years ago | (#22389998)

Wasn't there also some complaint that Autopatcher were also seeking money for their services as well?

Re:Pirates are pirates...... (1)

schnikies79 (788746) | more than 6 years ago | (#22391256)

I followed Autopatcher pretty closely and the closest they had to seeking money was asking for donations via Paypal on their website. There were never any nags in their software, nor any reduced functionally if you didn't donate.

Does it include genuine advantage? (1, Interesting)

rucs_hack (784150) | more than 6 years ago | (#22389586)

I've never installed that, and I don't want to, I object to the very idea of it. It's not much of a hardship, since I don't use any Microsoft programs aside from the OS and office anyway, so I don't care about the blocked stuff.

This cd would be great unless it included WGA. Can anyone enlighten me?

Re:Does it include genuine advantage? (1)

1u3hr (530656) | more than 6 years ago | (#22390770)

Yes. You have to run WGA before you can use it.

To download Project Dakota, you need to validate the computer you are downloading it on. Please download this tool direct from Microsoft and paste the code into the box below.

Why am i seeing This page?

The developers believe that a WGA check and the new Terms and Conditions of download will prevent us from being shutdown by Microsoft

So, thanks, but no thanks.

Re:Pirates are pirates...... (1)

irtza (893217) | more than 6 years ago | (#22390362)

if MS wanted to roll out an "evil" patch - they would merely embed it as part of a much needed security update. Don't include the evil patch and your system will remain compromised. Works a lot better than trying to kill this project. but I do agree with the control issue, just don't think that this takes away as much control as it lets on (except bypassing WGA?)

Re:Pirates are pirates...... (0, Redundant)

Zidane-The-Dom (905967) | more than 6 years ago | (#22390968)

microsoft releasing an *Evil* patch?

so *thats* where vista came from.....

(yes, i know, pure blatant ms bashing, but hey, i'm in a good mood today!)

Re:Pirates are pirates...... (1)

R3d Jack (1107235) | more than 6 years ago | (#22391390)

Say in the future MS want to push out a patch that is so mean and so unethical that Autopatcher refuse to include it

Do repeated WGA downloads count?

Criminal OS Maintenance Time Wasters (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22389602)

Wasting other peoples time is or should be criminal. So is having to waste bandwidth and global warming performig redundant tasks and cpu cycles. Remember when service packs came out monthly, on CDROMS. For the sake of the planet, will someone pass an energy law making inefficiencies illegal.

Re:Criminal OS Maintenance Time Wasters (3, Insightful)

somersault (912633) | more than 6 years ago | (#22389756)

How do you propose to make inefficiency illegal exactly? All OSes provide patches. Microsoft weren't even going to do an SP3 and it's good that they are still releasing updates (can't believe I'm defending MS there...). Releasing the updates on CD ROM is wasting oil and probably a lot more energy than it takes to download the patches (have no idea how much electricity either process uses, but the amount of plastic we waste is incredible). What you said sounds like it could be a joke, but for some reason you seem serious. For the sake of humanity, will someone pass an anthropology law making stupidity illegal?

Dial-up still exists (0, Troll)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#22390878)

Releasing the updates on CD ROM is wasting oil and probably a lot more energy than it takes to download the patches
How many megabytes of patches for Windows XP are there, and how much energy does a computer use while downloading them over a dial-up link at 16 megabytes per hour?

Re:Dial-up still exists (0)

somersault (912633) | more than 6 years ago | (#22391054)

Dialup? What's it like living in 1997? Do you have those mini-skirt things? I used to envy all those in the US with their fancy cable/broadband connections, but now pretty much everyone in the UK has broadband. I understand that America is a big place and it's difficult to connect that last few percent of people out in the middle of nowhere, but I'd think the majority of peeps still have broadband? If you're on dialup you're not likely to be online much anyway, as well as having a dynamic IP, therefore you have a bit of security by obscurity anyway. Anyway, I'm not saying that there are no situations where CDs aren't more effective - in this case it is quite effective, but starting to argue that it's better to do this because it's better for the environment is just stupid.

Re:Dial-up still exists (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#22391138)

I understand that America is a big place and it's difficult to connect that last few percent of people out in the middle of nowhere
For these people, the fastest Internet access they can get is IDSL at $79 to $99 per month, and the next step up is a T1. When members of one of these last few percents are active contributors to some of the forums I visit (gbadev.org and tetrisconcept.com), it's hard for me forget about them.

but I'd think the majority of peeps still have broadband?
You use that word "majority". At what percent of remaining user base should, say, Microsoft discontinue support for Windows XP?

If you're on dialup you're not likely to be online much anyway, as well as having a dynamic IP, therefore you have a bit of security by obscurity anyway.
You appear to underestimate the power of Warhol worms [wikipedia.org] , which can port-scan the entire IPv4 address space in fifteen minutes.

Anyway, I'm not saying that there are no situations where CDs aren't more effective - in this case it is quite effective
Thank you.

Re:Dial-up still exists (2, Interesting)

wolrahnaes (632574) | more than 6 years ago | (#22391384)

A dynamic IP hasn't been a decent protection against any form of attack for ages. Sure, back when most attacks were directed at a specific target it might have helped, but for at least the last few years the kind of threats targeting the average Windows XP (or any other desktop OS for that matter) user are automated and basically use the shotgun approach against entire subnets at a time.

For example, drop an unpatched Windows XP RTM box on the internet, no firewalls or anything, and watch it get infected within seconds. No one knew you were going to put that box online, but the quantity of machines scanning the internet for new vulnerable targets is just so high that any publicly routable IP probably gets scanned by every single major worm at least once a minute.

I know looking through my logs that before I implemented DenyHosts and a blacklist preventing logins from outside the country all of my Linux boxes were getting over 100 root login attempts per minute from a few different hosts trying to brute force my password. They didn't get in since I had password login disabled, but the logs were annoying.

Re:Criminal OS Maintenance Time Wasters (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22389884)

Because printing up millions of CDs that will be out of date in a month is soooooooo much better for the environment when they end up in a landfill somewhere.

Re:Criminal OS Maintenance Time Wasters (1)

William-Ely (875237) | more than 6 years ago | (#22391232)

Tip: data can be saved to a USB Drive thus eliminating waste!

Re:This was called AutoPatcher, and MS killed it. (5, Informative)

eldorin (811824) | more than 6 years ago | (#22389778)

M$ "tried" to kill AutoPatcher. It is back and working better then ever. Now, instead of downloading the entire distribution, you download a single small executable. It then retrieves all the XP hotfixes from M$ website. In effect achieving two goals: 1) Avoiding the source of the cease and desist that M$ sent the author. The unauthorized and unverifiable distribution of the hotfixes. 2) Chewing up M$ bandwidth instead of the author's... The thread to the new beta version is located at http://www.autopatcher.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=89 [autopatcher.com]

Re:This was called AutoPatcher, and MS killed it. (1)

zebs (105927) | more than 6 years ago | (#22390832)

And misses the original point - one download that can be applied to any number of PCs

Re:This was called AutoPatcher, and MS killed it. (4, Informative)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 6 years ago | (#22390856)

and after you run autopatcher. run nlite and create a XP install CD that is slipstreamed with all those updates.

We've been doing this for years in the IT office, every month I rebuild the XP install CD iso using nlite (It's great because you also can default to a lot of settings you like!) so after install there are no patches or updates needed.

Re:This was called AutoPatcher, and MS killed it. (1)

athena_wiles (967508) | more than 6 years ago | (#22390924)

that's what we do too, and it works brilliantly. I did a clean install for someone yesterday and, using our custom install disks, got the install up and running and only had to download 7 short updates from the M$ website. plus, we've added firefox, our site-licensed antivirus, and acrobat reader to the install CD, so the entire thing is pretty painless.

(that is, until I installed the wireless mouse drivers and the computer started giving BSODs... lovely.)

Re:This was called AutoPatcher, and MS killed it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22391082)

The beauty of Autopatcher was that in addition to critical and recommended updates you could also choose to install a number of tweaks, additional software like flash, shockwave, Java, etc., all from one CD. Autopatcher used Bit Torrent and UseNet (so it wasn't really using all of the author's bandwith all the time) and it released updates for itself.

It was the best utility for small users like myself who occasionally installed XP (valid licenses) for friends and family still on dial-up; avoiding the requirement to have to go to ANY web site as long as someone with a faster connection (like me) downloaded the base and kept it up to date.

That's the idea here: to not have to send every single computer needing all of these updates to the Internet and/or Microsoft.

Sounds like autopatcher (0, Redundant)

ssjx (1235532) | more than 6 years ago | (#22389100)

Which does pretty much the same thing...

c't Offline Update (5, Informative)

stefanb (21140) | more than 6 years ago | (#22389104)

Reknowned IT publisher Heise is already offering an even better solution: c't Offline Update [heise-online.co.uk] . Update W2K, XP, Vista, Office in English, French, German, Spanish, Italian and some 20 more languages by using Microsofts update catalog to download all chosen updates, then creates an ISO image per OS (CD-sized) or for everything (DVD needed). The included scripts allow for a fully automated install of all updates from the CD or DVD, even including any necessary intervening reboots.

c't Offline Update Project Download Page [heise.de]

Re:c't Offline Update (3, Informative)

mrbcs (737902) | more than 6 years ago | (#22389126)

This thing is excellent. Add the updates to your xp cd with Nlite to take it one step further for those fresh installs. http://www.nliteos.com/ [nliteos.com]

Re:c't Offline Update (1)

Splab (574204) | more than 6 years ago | (#22389198)

I tried to slipstream my latest XP install with nlite, but got told that I couldn't patch a 64bit installer while under 32bit OS, don't know if its nlites fault or windows, but sure sucked not knowing about the other products - took 20 or so reboots from install to completion to get all updates down.

c't Offline Update-Makes the medicine go down. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22389290)

"..but sure sucked not knowing about the other products - took 20 or so reboots from install to completion to get all updates down."

Dude! That's sure a lot of swallowing.

Re:c't Offline Update (3, Informative)

simong (32944) | more than 6 years ago | (#22389704)

That's actually a good way of doing it. There's an open source build server called Unattended [sourceforge.net] that can provide a fully patched Windows build automatically - you provide the installer CD and it will pull down all the updates - and it recommends rebooting after each patch. That sounds like the same thing across a local network. I can recommend it as an alternative to ghost by the way: it will boot any PC that can be booted with PXE or bootp.

Re:c't Offline Update (1)

therufus (677843) | more than 6 years ago | (#22390388)

After installing nLite, get the majority of patches from RyanVM's website [ryanvm.net] . Any extra patches can be downloaded and applied after that, but his post SP2 update pack covers most of the big ones.

Re:c't Offline Update (1)

Omniscient Ferret (4208) | more than 6 years ago | (#22390964)

I prefer the smithii system, [smithii.com] using a makefile. It's easier to examine, & it slipstreams all the updates.

Re:c't Offline Update (3, Informative)

Fallen Andy (795676) | more than 6 years ago | (#22389282)

A word of advice though - make DVD's not CD's. When I last looked the XP update CD iso was too big to fit on a std. CD

even if you just grab ENU. Perhaps they've fixed it now.

(The solution is to slipstream the SP2 onto the CD and make a new iso which would fit, sans SP2)

see e.g. http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_sp2_slipstream.asp [winsupersite.com] for slipstreaming SP2 on an original or SP1 CD.

Highly recommended.

Re:c't Offline Update (1)

cowbutt (21077) | more than 6 years ago | (#22390384)

I've used the Heise offline update tool, and I'd certainly prefer its approach (i.e. downloading the hotfixes directly from microsoft.com) to putting my trust in a random person compiling a .iso image for me. Yes, I need to place a little bit of trust that Heise's tool isn't sabotaging the stuff it downloads, but they've earnt that trust from me over the last decade.

I can't be the only one that thinks this (1, Insightful)

onlysolution (941392) | more than 6 years ago | (#22389106)

Seriously, the fact that MS doesn't provide something like this for all Windows XP customers is bordering on criminal in my mind.

Re:I can't be the only one that thinks this (1)

leenks (906881) | more than 6 years ago | (#22389530)

Err, Windows Update? The Windows Catalogue lets you download all updates for a particular OS into a directory for offline installation. They aren't *that* far behind...

Re:I can't be the only one that thinks this (1)

J_Doh! (830090) | more than 6 years ago | (#22389848)

but still behind

Re:I can't be the only one that thinks this (1)

RupW (515653) | more than 6 years ago | (#22390682)

Err, Windows Update? The Windows Catalogue lets you download all updates for a particular OS into a directory for offline installation. They aren't *that* far behind...
Actually they've ruined it IMO - there's no longer an easy 'download all updates for this OS and IE combination', there's now a single-textbox search interface and the help is useless. If anyone knows how to tell the new interface "find me all updates for XP SP2" I'd love to hear :-/

The problem with Windows Catalogue downloads is that you can't (AFAICR) point Windows Update at them and tell it to apply all of these updates in one go - you need to install them one at a time and reboot lots. The Windows\SoftwareDistribution directory is all GUID based so there's no easy way (AFAIK) to drop downloaded updates in there and have them picked up automatically by Windows Update as if it had downloaded them itself.

Re:I can't be the only one that thinks this (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 6 years ago | (#22389946)

At least in the past MS would ship you a disc full of patches for the cost of the postage (or even completely free, not sure) if you asked for it.

Re:I can't be the only one that thinks this (1)

jacksonj04 (800021) | more than 6 years ago | (#22390492)

What happened to the XP installer 'checking for updates' during install time? I've never once seen it do something useful, but even a simple "I got to the interwebs and there are some patches, should I install them now (Will take n hours to download) or do you wanna do it afterwards?" would be great. Slipstreaming into a live install must be possible somehow.

slipstreaming anyone (4, Informative)

Oriumpor (446718) | more than 6 years ago | (#22389108)

Honestly [wikipedia.org] why is the latest revelation in documented common Microsoft software practices news on /. ? I mean you don't see "Latest yum library that that comes to you downloaded all rpms in one safe ISO!!1!" as a headline...

Re:slipstreaming anyone (1)

NickCatal (865805) | more than 6 years ago | (#22389200)

Exactly. I download XP copies to use with my 100% legit keys just because I want the slipstreamed versions with the latest updates.

Re:slipstreaming anyone (5, Interesting)

eddy (18759) | more than 6 years ago | (#22389580)

Slipstreaming solves a different problem (new installs). A slipstreamed installation media is pretty useless (as far as I know) when I go to person B to update his/hers ancient installation. I just want to able to run program X from a CD/DVD/USB-memory and have the system fully up to date, preferably within a single reboot.

MS should really just put up a patch-OS-DVD torrent and keep it updated in such a way that new additions doesn't completely rewrite the structure (so a torrent update goes quickly). Would be a bit of work for them initially, but it would deliver something useful to their customers. Ah, well. Guess they're to busy marketing Vista.

Re:slipstreaming anyone (1)

Deslack (48390) | more than 6 years ago | (#22390804)

Jigdo [wikipedia.org] used by Debian already does this for its behemothian ISO images. Not that anybody downloads them all anyway. But it would fit for what you're suggesting.

not a new idea (5, Informative)

juventasone (517959) | more than 6 years ago | (#22389116)

This is a nice idea for individuals who only have to do this once. However, the RyanVM [ryanvm.net] and Xable [xable.net] update packs have been offered for years and integrate into your installation disc. No need to run another lengthly installation after the install is done.

YOU FAIL IT (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22389124)

FreeBSD project,

all the patches? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22389138)

Can it be limited to the security updates? Some of the patches are really suspicious.

Re:all the patches? (3, Informative)

Nullav (1053766) | more than 6 years ago | (#22389962)

As are some of the security updates [phex.org] . I know it's a bit of an unreasonable demand, but I'd rather see a list of questionable updates than yet another offline patcher.

Chair Fucker - Genuine Biometric Advantage (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22389196)

how long till you have to push your thumb into a pad, piss into a hole, or otherwise submit to some new genuine windows advantage (I always think of Digital Rights Management and Patriot Act when I hear about GWA, gay wizard alliance? where to stick those wands.. mmm..) verification?

Re:Chair Fucker - Genuine Biometric Advantage (1)

Vectronic (1221470) | more than 6 years ago | (#22389486)

It's... Wizard Gay Alliance... geezus, get your shit "straight".

sounds like a copyright violation (4, Insightful)

martin-boundary (547041) | more than 6 years ago | (#22389202)

Does Microsoft allow third parties to distribute official patches? If not, this sounds like a copyright violation.

Re:sounds like a copyright violation (4, Interesting)

juventasone (517959) | more than 6 years ago | (#22389230)

yes. just not the OS itself. thus why the slipstream providers can't provide you the ISO already one.

Re:sounds like a copyright violation (1)

juventasone (517959) | more than 6 years ago | (#22389338)

one=done

Re:sounds like a copyright violation (1)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 6 years ago | (#22389416)

yes. just not the OS itself. thus why the slipstream providers can't provide you the ISO already one.
Well, the pirates can - seems like there are monthly pirate releases all over the net with the latest patches slipstreamed in.

Re:sounds like a copyright violation (2, Informative)

trawg (308495) | more than 6 years ago | (#22390222)

yes. just not the OS itself. thus why the slipstream providers can't provide you the ISO already one.
To the best of my knowledge, redistribution of Microsoft patches is actually explicitly denied by their EULAs and the terms of use of the microsoft.com website.

The only things you can redistribute are the things they've marked as explicitly redistributable (like DirectX and various other runtimes).

This is why Autopatcher was terminated [autopatcher.com] . I have also contacted Microsoft in the past to obtain explicit permission to mirror their updates and was refused permission to do so.

WindizUpdate... (5, Informative)

joshuaes (1035088) | more than 6 years ago | (#22389348)

From the site:
 
 

Why use WindizUpdate?

Not only will it keep you up to date with the latest updates from Microsoft, it will also keep software and drivers from other vendors updated. However, that functionality is currently missing.

Good reasons to use WindizUpdate

        * No personally identifiable information is collected from your computer.
        * No more unwanted spyware -- Microsoft Internet Explorer can finally be removed from your computer (if that were possible).
        * It lists just the updates you need. If an update has been superceded by a newer one, it will not ask you to install the older one.
        * Using enhanced data from MBSA, WindizUpdate will find more security patches needed for your O/S than the "other" website.
        * If there is a security issue with a component that is not yet installed, it will not ask you to update it. For example, if you have not installed hyperterminal, it will not update it.
        * It is not restricted to just Microsoft products. Software from other vendors can also be updated.
        * Upgrading to the latest version of Internet Explorer is not considered a Critical Update!
        * Works on Windows versions no longer supported by Microsoft -- Windows NT 4.0 and Windows 95
        * Our plugin is not an ActiveX control.
        * Integrated download manager with error detection -- you can cancel downloads at any time, and the next time you wish to install the cancelled update, it will continue from where it left off. Only corrupted sections of the file are redownloaded.

If you are still not convinced that WindizUpdate is the site for you, please check out our page titled "do we need to say any more?"

Disadvantages

        * There is a delay from when new updates are released from Microsoft to when they appear on this site.
        * If you're using Internet Explorer, you will need to use Microsoft's Windows Update site for updates -- this site will be of no use to you.
        * You'll need to upgrade your browser if you're using MSIE 4.xx -- This site won't work, neither will Microsoft's.
http://windizupdate.com/ [windizupdate.com]

The "do we need to say any more?" link is: http://windowsupdate.62nds.com/whywelovems.php [62nds.com] ;)

Sure, it's not an AIO CD, but it's a great alternative to Windows Update.

Re:WindizUpdate... (1)

onedotzero (926558) | more than 6 years ago | (#22389446)

Why use WindizUpdate?
Hrm. Reminds me of Geordie Windows 98 [ntlworld.com]

Re:WindizUpdate... (1)

XO (250276) | more than 6 years ago | (#22390272)

Hm. Went to their site, it told me it wanted me to isntal a browser plugin.... alrighty then, install it, it completely freezes the browser upon installation, which i have to kill from taskman, then it completely freezes explorer, which i kill with taskman, and then it comes back and says that the plugin is not installed, please install it.

Fantastic program.

Innovative? (2, Insightful)

unbug (1188963) | more than 6 years ago | (#22389360)

Providing an OS + released patches on one CD is actually innovative? Oh my...

Anyone have a torrent? (4, Funny)

erroneus (253617) | more than 6 years ago | (#22389362)

C'mon! I know there must be one out there.

:O (2, Funny)

joaommp (685612) | more than 6 years ago | (#22389512)

Did it all fit onto a single CD?? :O

Once CD that patches Windows? (1, Funny)

MikeUW (999162) | more than 6 years ago | (#22389558)

I think this has already been invented: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download [ubuntu.com]

Re:Once CD that patches Windows? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22389920)

... then all you'll need is a patch [linuxmint.com] for Ubuntu and another patch [kde.org] for Gnome.

Re:Once CD that patches Windows? (1)

AndGodSed (968378) | more than 6 years ago | (#22390112)

Oh, and they sent me the disks. For free. Best value for money upgrade I ever had.

just quietly (1)

spandex_panda (1168381) | more than 6 years ago | (#22389564)

Theres a dude that builds an iso on tpb which will install a fully updated and updateable sp3 xp install with included handy apps, which is quite easy to use and the thing I will probably always use on my other partition (which is rarely used only for games or unruly applications which don't like wine or virtualisation)

"The Dakota Project" (5, Funny)

Thanshin (1188877) | more than 6 years ago | (#22389604)

"The Dakota Project"

"A one-man effort to provide all Windows XP SP2 updates on one downloadable CD."

With:

Bruce Willis as The Architect
Jennifer Lopez as Dakota
Will Smith as Bill Gates

also starring... (2, Funny)

Loibisch (964797) | more than 6 years ago | (#22389838)

Also starring:

the Evil Monkey [google.com] as Steve Ballmer

Re:"The Dakota Project" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22391046)

Bill Gates will return in THUNDERBALL!

hehe (0, Troll)

rastoboy29 (807168) | more than 6 years ago | (#22389612)

Yet another way that the Linux based OS's are actually, qualitatively superior to Windows, even for normal people.  Since we don't have to worry about licensing, we can just, you know, work, and do stuff for you because we like you.

Re:hehe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22390110)

Yeah, you just have to fix all those places where the Linux OS's are actually, qualitatively worse than Windows and you might persuade people to, you know, install it.

MS are morons.... (2, Insightful)

cheekyboy (598084) | more than 6 years ago | (#22389648)

They really think doing 100 updates, and 12 reboots is ok? Get real, maybe if you work for ms and want to waste 3 days work not working.
If I was bill gates, I would walk right into the OS group and say, "listen MOFO loosers, make a single one time update for all fucking patches under 100meg, no online wizards"

I think Bill Gee has a personal IT ass-sistant keeping his top of the line laptop always ready & working. If only Billy knew how shit his OS was. This goes to a few linux distros too,
stop this madness 5.1 6.1 7.0 8.1 every 6 month, just update a .1 DVD ISO every 3months for gods sake, and up its number. Major release numbers should ONLY be needed if the kernel changes.

Frigging bloody BA Managers. Clueless about IT.

Re:MS are morons.... (4, Informative)

Zorque (894011) | more than 6 years ago | (#22389658)

I decided a few days ago to dual-boot XP and Vista, since one of my devices isn't supported under Vista (its manufacturer hasn't existed for a while). I had to, of course, install all of the necessary updates for XP, but it only took one reset for over 100 patches. It's really not that bad a process.

Re:MS are morons.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22390724)

Major release numbers should ONLY be needed if the kernel changes.
Have you any idea how often that is? And yes, I mean major changes. Between 2.6.22 and 2.6.23 a new scheduler was introduced, for example, and complete subsystem rewrites aren't all that uncommon (wireless, firewire). But yeah, other than that you're right, major versions (for distributions) shift way too often. Personally I think a maximum of one major version per year would be a pretty good policy and have point release in between if the dot-oh's are buggy enough to warrant them. I don't even think two years between major relases would be excessive. Unfortunately, pushing out new releases as fast as possible has become something of a publicity strategy for distributions.

I wish they would have more long term maintenance kernels too like 2.6.16 and keep all the crazy stuff for the kernels in between.

Unfortunatly, Most of the software,,, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22389670)

Requres a non-distrubiable EULA.

There is about 103 updates for Win2k,
and the only one I cannot download is the
Certificates update.

HTTP 5.1/BITS 2.1 is a bitch to get,
and MS Installer 3.1 is also tough,
but I can get everyother one. Win2k and XP, and Vista.

Genuine Advantage is a typical M$ peice of garbage...
Its harder to jump a turnstile on the NYMetro then get around it.

But the easy way is to find the ftp mirror, and just suck it like a golf ball through a garden hose...( Hint: There are 6 I found, and only one has its files unprotected...._

Install cycle (1, Insightful)

isorox (205688) | more than 6 years ago | (#22389706)

Boot PC
F12 - PXE boot
"ubuntu-710-server"
enter hostname
*wait 20-40 minutes depending on time of day and bandwidth*

Fully uptodate, patched installation, ready to go, with essential utils installed like sshd, snmp, npt, etc.

If building a generic box, run "setup.sh", select role, and go. Depending on role thigns like apache are installed. Everyone's happy.

Nagios checked every 6 hours for critical security patches are flags them up, test and dev systems get them installed automatically, live systems get the OK (a manual apt-get upgrade) depending on severity of exploits

What's a CD?

Re-Inventing the wheel? (4, Informative)

lennier1 (264730) | more than 6 years ago | (#22389800)

There already a freeware tool out there which does most of this task.
"Offline Update" (http://www.heise.de/ct/projekte/offlineupdate/download_uk.shtml) was created by Heise, a German publisher of several serious IT magazines.
You simply choose a MS product and it will then download all updates and patches and generate an ISO image for a bootable CD/DVD. Once finished, simply put that disk into the destination computer's drive and the the rest will be done via autostart. Reboots and related stuff will be handled by creating a temporary local admin account automatically, which will be deleted again once the program finishes its run.
A nice solution for smaller companies who don't want to set up their own WSUS node.

Re:Re-Inventing the wheel? (1)

packman (156280) | more than 6 years ago | (#22390506)

Was thinking exactly the same, use Heise's tool too - and it works brilliantly :)

and I'm waiting for this one to get forked... (5, Funny)

mathnerd314 (1212880) | more than 6 years ago | (#22389834)

Project North Dakota and Project South Dakota?

I would definitely trust a patch-compilation (-1, Flamebait)

geonik (1003109) | more than 6 years ago | (#22389880)

from a greek guy named "Patsouris"

Better solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22389984)

There is a better solution. WSUS is no option for smallers users/firms. Install IPCOP on a old pc with a 10GB hard disk. Then install Advanced Proxy written by a very smart guy Marco Sondermann.(http://www.advproxy.net). Install the add-on Update Accelerator (http://www.advproxy.net/update-accelerator/). Regardless of standard Squid settings Update Accelerator caches updates from MS, Adobe, Symantec and the new version caches Apple,Avast,Linux (deb & rpm) and Trend Micro updates. No hassle around with cd's. I am systembuilder and this is opensource at it best.

nLite (2, Informative)

Nehle (784297) | more than 6 years ago | (#22390002)

Ever heard of nLite [nliteos.com] or vLite [vlite.net] ? They let you build your [u]own[/u] XP/Vista ISOs with update, service pack and additional driver integration as well as literally every customization you can think of. So, yes, this is nothing exactly new, and I'd rather prefer my own customization.

Re:nLite (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22390676)

But does it give you underline-support on /. though?

lies! (1)

catmistake (814204) | more than 6 years ago | (#22390154)

"relatively quick"

Relative to what? Geological time? no, it is not even remotely quick! even w/o patching XP takes a good 2 hours to install, unless its the "stripped to the bone" edition, which is pretty fast, ~30 minutes, pre-patching. Patches add another 4 hours of downloading/rebooting... having the patches offline will save maybe 2 hours...

get a watch.

In Soviet Russia (1)

vespacide2 (1235470) | more than 6 years ago | (#22390754)

Microsoft updates you!

Whoop-e-dy-doo (1)

ZeroExistenZ (721849) | more than 6 years ago | (#22390848)

They used to ship these for free from MS HQ, even shipping was free. (I still have these "security updates" CDroms laying around. Got an invoice of 0 USD)

At the moment they seem to charge 8 (Offline SP2 CDrom [microsoft.com] ). If you feel thats too much, download teh redistributable, burn it to cdrom or make a slipstreamed XP if you have to do alot of installations.

Do you trust a random guy "patching" your system? I don't.

Customizer (1)

immortalpob (847008) | more than 6 years ago | (#22390898)

I work for the Geek Squad and we have had something like this for a while. It is called Customizer and will automatically do all the patches, including doing restarts between waves of patches. We use it on new computers, after restores, and spyware/virus removal.

I often build SP2 machines (3, Interesting)

spywhere (824072) | more than 6 years ago | (#22390906)

I frequently find myself in the exact situation for which this project was intended: I've just done a clean build of Windows XP SP2, and it's time to bring it up to date.
However, I prefer to change the sequence up a bit:

-- Run a scripted build from a modified SP2 CD.
-- Install all the 'inside-the-case' hardware drivers: IMHO, Windows Setup isn't complete until Device Manager is clean.
-- Install the Micro$oft Java VM, and its latest updated version (must be done as two steps, thanks to $un).
-- Install a Google-tweaked version of IE7.
-- Install the latest versions of Flash Player, QuickTime, Real Alternative, and Nero.
-- Install Media Player 10 (which reclaims all the file associations that Media Player can handle).
-- If the machine will get Office, install it.

-- Finally, open the Windows Update page, and immediately click over to Micro$oft Update. Choose the options to hide Media Player 11, and any video driver updates from M$ (they usually break things). Launch the process. Go to lunch.

If the project included an option for starting with a machine that already has IE7, has the M$ Java, and is meant to be left with MP10, it would be perfect for me.

Doesn't take forever... (1)

pdusen (1146399) | more than 6 years ago | (#22391022)

Windows update doesn't take forever. Last time I installed XP the whole thing was done in about 20 minutes. And at this point, Ubuntu 7.10 takes just as much time.

I can see how this could be useful for those without decent-speed internet connections, though.

Here it goes (1)

eiapoce (1049910) | more than 6 years ago | (#22391178)

Here it goes another excuse for microsoft not to roll out a much needed service pack 3.

It looks to me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22391408)

...that if it wasn't so full of holes you guys wouldn't have to patch it sooo much. In addition, isn't it vulnerable to attacks and exploits while taking 4hrs to download the patches? When is too much bullshit enough for you windoze apologists? I couldn't and wouldn't put up with microsoft's closed, proprietary formats and OSs. Im sure some of you will say but we have to!! That is a line of bullshit. Today there are many alternatives and to say there isn't is approaching lunacy or dare i say stockholme syndrome?
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