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Prince, Village People to Sue The Pirate Bay

Soulskill posted more than 6 years ago | from the artist-formerly-known-as-arrrr dept.

Music 435

castrox writes to tell us that The Pirate Bay's legal concerns are continuing to grow. Prince and the Village People are planning to sue the popular torrent site with the help of the Web Sheriff law firm. John Giacobbi of Web Sheriff has also asked Swedish band ABBA to join the cause. The suit is seeking "millions of dollars" in damages, although it's still uncertain to whom the charges will be directed. The likely targets are the four Pirate Bay founders who were indicted a few weeks ago on charges of breaking copyright law. Prince has taken investigative action against The Pirate Bay in the past.

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Arrr (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22456594)

First Pirate Post!

yeah (5, Funny)

User 956 (568564) | more than 6 years ago | (#22456602)

Prince, Village People, ABBA to Sue The Pirate Bay: The suit is seeking "millions of dollars" in damages

Correction: They're seeking "millions of dollars" in fabulous damages.

Hoist them swabies up by their own peter (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22456970)



Hoist them swabies up by their own peter and we'll see who remains a man when it's all said and done.

Re:yeah (5, Funny)

WK2 (1072560) | more than 6 years ago | (#22456996)

Why must we scream at each other? Why can't we all just get along? Let's all go to the YMCA!!

Re:yeah (1)

repvik (96666) | more than 6 years ago | (#22457064)

This is what it sounds like, when doves cry... Actually one of the very few songs Prince has made that is good. Now he's worth millions and millions, and is getting greedier by the day.

Young man! (5, Funny)

DigitAl56K (805623) | more than 6 years ago | (#22457022)

Young man, I was once in your shoes,
I said, I was.. downloading torrent files too,
But it's stealing, and there is licensing due,
So you've got.. to.. know.. this.. one thing:

DUN DUN DUN DUNNUN

It's fun to sue with the D.M.C.A.,
It's fun to sue with the D.M.C.A.,
They have everything there for lawyers to enjoy,
Ain't no safe harbor for Pirate Bay, boys!

P.S. Sorry, I had to.. :)

Guess I was wrong about him (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22457058)

I read (on slashdot no less) that Prince did the whole "Artist formerly known as prince" stunt as a means of rebelling against his RIAA-affiliated label. I mistook that to understand that since my enemy was his enemy, that made him my friend....and I was going to check out his music.

But now I see that he, too, is a copyright monger, he just wants the copyrights for himself rather than for the label.

Nevermind, I won't bother to listen to his stuff.

KLF is gonna rock ya! (1)

Mateo_LeFou (859634) | more than 6 years ago | (#22457084)

Am I the only one who got a bit of deja vu when Abba was mentioned?

Re:KLF is gonna rock ya! (2, Funny)

Verteiron (224042) | more than 6 years ago | (#22457214)

No, I just thought of Ikari Warriors.

Wow (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22456610)

The most widely known faggots in the industry are suing the pirate bay?

Butt pirates suing pirate bay. They should be suing for trademark infringement.

what do they all have in common? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22456618)

Prince, the Village People, and maybe Abba, all represented by a firm called Web Sheriff? Oh noes, the Pirate Bay is getting sued by the gheyz!

What's next, the GNAA? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22456690)

Yep, next thing you know they'll be getting sued by GNAA [www.gnaa.us] .
<input type="checkbox" name="postanon" checked="checked" />

Re:what do they all have in common? (4, Informative)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 6 years ago | (#22457078)

Oh noes, the Pirate Bay is getting sued by the gheyz!
Eh, you do realise that ABBA was made up of two pairs of couples (who were either engaged, married or divorced at the time the group was active)?

Anyway, it should be noted that this guy has *tried* to involve ABBA in this. I don't see anything indicating that they have even responded yet, let alone confirmed their agreement with him. I suspect that he wins either way (even if they don't get involved, having their name connected still gets him more attention).

Potential basis of ABBA legal action against the Pirate Bay: "I've been cheated by you since I don't know when" (thrown out due to vagueness surrounding the dates of the alleged infringments).

Civil vs. Criminal (4, Interesting)

Nemilar (173603) | more than 6 years ago | (#22456628)

I know that in the US, there's a very big difference between the civil courts and the criminal courts. While it seems that under Swedish law, the hosting of torrent files doesn't appear to be a crime, does anyone know if they have the same sort of distinctions between civil and criminal courts? Could they be found innocent in criminal court, yet still be forced to pay thousands/millions of damages in civil court?

Re:Civil vs. Criminal (0)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 6 years ago | (#22456656)

Duh, of course they do.

Re:Civil vs. Criminal (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22456718)

Shrug. They don't have thousands/millions to pay - the pirate bay is NOT profitmaking, it only takes a few nerds to keep it going. Any "victory" over the pirate bay would be merely symbolic - and probably pyrrhic, translating into increased support for the (unaffiliated with the Pirate Bay, but obviously sympathetic) Pirate Party, which is a surprisingly powerful political force in Europe at this stage (and the more the USA fights it, the more powerful it gets, thanks to strong anti-US sentiment in Europe due to the USA's assholery). It's not like the site itself can even be shut down by legal action due to its distributed nature, and even if it was, it's not like it's the only bittorrent tracker site.

Re:Civil vs. Criminal (1, Redundant)

Jussi K. Kojootti (646145) | more than 6 years ago | (#22456792)

Pirate Party, which is a surprisingly powerful political force in Europe at this stage [Reference needed]

Re:Civil vs. Criminal (4, Insightful)

nbert (785663) | more than 6 years ago | (#22456984)

Wikipedia [wikipedia.org] is your friend. However, as the section "political impact" explains, their archivements are of rather symbolic nature as of now (the English wiki is slightly outdated, but there are no landslide victories to report anyways).

Even though they are at a very early (and sometimes chaotic) stage I like to compare them to the green movement in Europe. In the early 80's many green parties formed in various countries because none of the existing parties served the aims of environmentalists. Nowadays they are well represented (check seats in the EU parliament) and their biggest enemies are the other parties picking up their cause. I'd love to see a similar development for all the pirate parties (especially regarding privacy).

/references (2, Insightful)

emj (15659) | more than 6 years ago | (#22457032)

none needed, they have no political support in Europe. They talk a lot though, but that doesn't mean that the common man over 25 knows what it is.

Re:/references (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22457196)

Actually, you're wrong. And your low /. uid suggests you're being wrong deliberately, to mislead, rather than through ignorance. The Green party has already started jumping on the pro-piracy bandwagon - http://www.iwouldntsteal.net/ [iwouldntsteal.net] . That IS mainstream political support in Europe (the greens are actually in power/power-sharing governments in several european countries, such as Ireland and Germany).

Re:Civil vs. Criminal (1)

The Empiricist (854346) | more than 6 years ago | (#22457050)

Shrug. They don't have thousands/millions to pay - the pirate bay is NOT profitmaking, it only takes a few nerds to keep it going.

Does it really have to be profitmaking for a judgment to have impact? Nerds tend to make good money. A $1 million dollar judgment found against an individual running the site could be spread out over a 40 year career as $25,000 per year if interest isn't charged. For people who have six-figure earning potential, such judgments might be considered fair, and they would bite enough that they could discourage others from taking the place of the defendants.

Re:Civil vs. Criminal (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22456810)

Last time I checked, there is no formal distinction between civil and criminal law in Sweden. Law is law so to speak. But in practical terms lawyers specialize in different things and so on.

Either way, the current case will pretty much establish whether tpb can be held accountable and they will either emerge victorious or disappear. So Prince and "web sheriff" are wasting their time.

And BTW. Web Sheriff, *nice* name guys. (I mean for f*cks sake?)

Re:Civil vs. Criminal (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22456912)

Partially right. There is a civil law section of the law (which I call a formal distinction), but there are no special courts or anything like that.

The bigger difference though, is that Swedish law has no concept of using fines as a form of punishment in it self, just as compensation for losses or emotional/physical suffering.

Since a business entity can't claim to be "hurt" TPB can only be made to reimburse the losses suffered through their actions, and these losses has to be substantiated.

Very true. But.. (3, Informative)

emj (15659) | more than 6 years ago | (#22457068)

In Sweden it's not very usual that you get fined big amounts, so we are not talking about millions euros in fines.

What about a countersuit? (3, Interesting)

mangu (126918) | more than 6 years ago | (#22457104)

In their legal pages, there's this email from Microsoft [thepiratebay.org]


Notice how the lawyer claims that "the source code for Windows 1998, Windows NT, and/or Windows 2000 ... is on your system at the following location:
http://tracker.piratbyran.org/torrents-details.php?id=2614 [piratbyran.org] ,"


and further on they state that "The information in this notification is accurate. I swear under penalty of perjury ..."


The information in that email is NOT accurate, since no part of the source code has ever been in the location they mention. Wouldn't that be ground for a countersuit for defamation, or whatever it's called?

Remember "A New Hope" (4, Funny)

calebt3 (1098475) | more than 6 years ago | (#22456632)

Darth Vader: Your powers are weak, old man.
Obi-Wan: You can't win, Darth. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.

Re:Remember "A New Hope" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22456738)

Pirate Bay: Your business model is antiquated, old industry.
Music Industry: You can't win, Bay. If you strike me down, I shall sue you with more lawyers than you could possible imagine.

Re:Remember "A New Hope" (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22456784)

"I find your lack of gay disturbing."

Re:Remember "A New Hope" (5, Insightful)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 6 years ago | (#22456994)

Sounds exactly like the old Napster. The RIAA struck it down, and it has returned as BitTorrent, more powerful than the RIAA could possibly imagine.

Anonymous Alternatives: e.g., Freenet 0.7 (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22456638)

Just as p2p sprang up when Napster went down, alternatives are springing up to take the place of 'regular' p2p and p2p sites that are under attack. Freenet 0.7 (and also 0.5) has a lot of movies, games etc. On 0.7, if you happen to have darknet 'friends' who also trade in similiar content then you're downloads should be as fast as regular p2p with the benefit of anonymity.

In Soviet Russia..... (5, Funny)

mickwd (196449) | more than 6 years ago | (#22456642)

...I hope someone sues the Village People for the damage they've done to popular music :-P

Re:In Soviet Russia..... (3, Funny)

dummyname12 (886454) | more than 6 years ago | (#22456950)

Or Prince, for the damage he's done to facial hair.

Pointless (4, Insightful)

fintler (140604) | more than 6 years ago | (#22456654)

Don't they realize this is pointless? Even if they "win", they just give more media attention to torrent sites in general. Say the pirate bay goes down (and I don't think it will) everyone will just start going to a place like mininova, or one of the other hundred popular torrent sites.

Re:Pointless (3, Insightful)

dnwq (910646) | more than 6 years ago | (#22456788)

Can they really give more attention to TPB than previous cases already have? As far as Streisand effects go, this one more case isn't going to have much of an impact.

Re:Pointless (2, Funny)

Threni (635302) | more than 6 years ago | (#22456852)

> Don't they realize this is pointless?

Cheap advertising though, right? Especially for a has-been like Prince. Best definition of him I ever read was "possibly a reincarnation of one of Jimi Hendrix's pubic hairs".

Re:Pointless (0)

that this is not und (1026860) | more than 6 years ago | (#22457224)

People have been hating Prince since before you'd ever heard of him. I remember some of the invective some weekend-warrior guitar players used to hurl on him back in the 'Dirty Mind' era (pre-Controversey) when I worked in the Lincoln Bank Building on 8th and Hennepin.

Yes, but look whose suing (2, Insightful)

Xest (935314) | more than 6 years ago | (#22456930)

They're all bygones, they don't care what it does to the music industry, if it nets them cash damages then that'll keep them rich a bit longer, it's not as if any of them have amazing music careers racking in the fortunes for them anymore.

I'd be more suprised if you saw modern bands that are still making a lot of money involved in this kind of suit for exactly the reasons you say, it'll do them harm long term because they still have a reputation and future loss of revenue to lose, these people suing really don't have much to lose in that respect.

Needed Tags (1)

nuclearpenguins (907128) | more than 6 years ago | (#22456662)

Someone needs to tag this article Macho Men.

Downloaders are scared... (5, Funny)

RichPowers (998637) | more than 6 years ago | (#22456666)

Not because they'll be charged with illegal file sharing, but because it will go on record that they in fact downloaded music by The Village People. Revealing that to the world should be enough punishment. :)

Dear Prince (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22456692)

Dear Prince,

I imagine you don't sell many records these days and receive little royalties. But that has less likely to do with piracy and more to do with the fact that you haven't been relevant in the music world in over 15 years. My 17 year old daughter probably has heard of you, but then, she's heard of the battle of hastings, too. The same is true of ABBA, but even more so.

As for the village people, they were a comedy/novelty act. They had 3 hits, which were basically the same song, but delving into other aspects of man/man sex and it's various cliched incarnations in society. How much longer did you think that would be making money?

Somebody like Jay-Z might have a point do this, but he's actually making music that people listen to.

Mr. Prince, my little prince. Is is possible the record companies have put you up to this? I thought you split from the RIAA a couple years ago?

Re:Dear Prince (1, Interesting)

Howitzer86 (964585) | more than 6 years ago | (#22457094)

The parent is right you know. Prince's main audience is 40+ year-old women. I know, I bought his newest album for my mother. She was ecstatic.... she loved him when she was younger.

As far as I know, Prince is not capturing a wide younger audience. He's just recapturing a part of his old one. He needs to do what Madonna does - rather than just make new music, he should change his image to attract the younger more dominant audience.

Re:Dear Prince (0, Troll)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 6 years ago | (#22457098)

Prince and Trent Reznor, the loudmouths who feel the need to tell the world how much they hate their record label, and how they are embracing self-publication and, in the case of Reznor, how corrupt The System is, man, and we all should rebel or something.. then, at the drop of a hat, they'll be standing on the copyright dole line saying "gimme gimme gimme".

Get a real job.

Re:Dear Prince (4, Funny)

pipatron (966506) | more than 6 years ago | (#22457162)

they'll be standing on the copyright dole line saying "gimme gimme gimme".

I think you're thinking of ABBA here.

Re:Dear Prince (1)

r_jensen11 (598210) | more than 6 years ago | (#22457132)

Dear Prince,

I imagine you don't sell many records these days and receive little royalties. But that has less likely to do with piracy and more to do with the fact that you haven't been relevant in the music world in over 15 years. My 17 year old daughter probably has heard of you, but then, she's heard of the battle of hastings, too. The same is true of ABBA, but even more so.
Right, but for the wrong reasons. Here, I'll fix it for you:

Dear Prince,

I imagine you don't sell many records these days and receive little royalties. But that has less likely to do with piracy and more to do with the fact that you have given out too many CD's for free under the guise of promotions. [bbc.co.uk] You are still *very* relevant in the music industry. If you had only given, say, half as many away, you would've made more in royalties.
Maybe I'm partial, though, since I'm originally from the Twin Cities. But that doesn't explain why he was inducted in to the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in 2004, why he won two grammies in 2008. He also won a Webby in 2006 for being one of, if not, the first artists to release an entire album online (although that back in '97).

I think the problem is just his lawyers got bored (or ran out of money and needed some more jobs) and said it was a good idea.

Re:Dear Prince (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22457178)

Dear Prince,

I imagine you don't sell many records these days and receive little royalties.


Dear Fellow AC,

According to Wikipedia, the last album Prince for which they have sales info (the album "3121", from 2006) sold 1.5 million copies worldwide. The album before that sold 2.5 million. Also, Prince played the Superbowl last year and won two Grammys this year.

Re:Dear Prince (0, Flamebait)

that this is not und (1026860) | more than 6 years ago | (#22457238)

Please post the email address of your 17 year old daughter. We want to send her a copy of Jack-U-Off.mp3 from Prince's 'Dirty Mind' album. She can probably already lip-sync the words.

Web Sheriff already tryed to sue... (5, Informative)

Simon (S2) (600188) | more than 6 years ago | (#22456696)

... The Pirate Bay in the past. With a really hilarious response from TPB:
White Stripes / WEB SHERIFF: email [thepiratebay.org] our response [thepiratebay.org] 2nd mail and response [thepiratebay.org] our fax (invoice) [thepiratebay.org] 3rd mail [thepiratebay.org] attached document [thepiratebay.org] We tell Faxxsheriff about our new site [thepiratebay.org] 4th mail [thepiratebay.org] our response [thepiratebay.org] .

Re:Web Sheriff already tryed to sue... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22456870)

Being a huge Young Frankenstein fan I couldn't start laughing after this fragment:)

----
> Dear Frederik,

It's spelled "Fredrik".
----

Pure genius.
And balls: it's not easy to keep your sense of humor working when replying to a lawyer who wants to bust your ass.

Long live TPB!

Re:Web Sheriff already tryed to sue... (2, Funny)

Cheesey (70139) | more than 6 years ago | (#22457248)

No .torrent for a Swedish course? And I thought they had everything...

Has beens... (4, Insightful)

lordsid (629982) | more than 6 years ago | (#22456698)

These has beens should be glad people are still pirating their music.

Re:Has beens... (2, Funny)

jmnormand (941909) | more than 6 years ago | (#22456814)

Judge: so the jurry has decided on $12 per infringement... that is... $132 to the defendant.

Prince: Yes! now i can finaly win that bedazzler on ebay!!!

Elvis Too! (2, Funny)

N8F8 (4562) | more than 6 years ago | (#22456720)

I heard they held a seance in Las Vegas and the medium channeling Elvis said he wants to sue.

Smart move? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22456724)

Using well known but old artists who don't sell much nowadays could be a smart move. The danger of a boycott campaign from fans is less likely to happen because those who were their most loyal fans are now in their 40s or more.

I'm not sure about Prince, but Village People and Abba certainly don't sell much these days.

Web hotels? (5, Interesting)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 6 years ago | (#22456732)

I totally agree. Weve said for years that web hotels who are making millions, even billions, by renting out web space to file-sharing websites should take more responsibility and control these websites, Giacobbi said.

What the? This firm is called web sherrif, you would think they would have a slightly better grasp of the terms of the trade. It makes me almost instantly classify this suit as totally without merit and just a case of some stupid musicians being conned by a lawyer who smells a fat check (and not coming from the direction the musicians think).

Claims of millions of whatever currency are already laughable enough, does this guy really think that thepiratebay its isp or in fact anyone even remotely connected to P2P makes billions? Does he even understand how much money that is wether you measure it in dollars, euro's or kronen?

Re:Web hotels? (2, Insightful)

sqrt(2) (786011) | more than 6 years ago | (#22457260)

It seems simple to me, and I'm not a lawyer or anything. TPB is all about using P2P technology to let people trade things for free. One of the fundamentals is that there is no money changing hands for this to happen. TPB doesn't magically create a few cents out of NOTHING every time someone hops on a torrent. They probably make a little bit from advertising and t-shirts to cover their costs and put a little in their pockets but they deserve that for the service they are providing FOR FREE. A service that is completely within the letter, if not the spirit, of the law as it currently stand in their home country of Sweden. I would say Web Sheriff (Great name for a US based operation, idiots. As if we weren't hated for acting like the world's police already.) and the "artists" they are representing do not have a legal leg to stand on. I can't see much coming from this empty threat--this is not the first to be levied against TPB and they're still alive and well, and growing.

It's a civil case. (4, Insightful)

DragonTHC (208439) | more than 6 years ago | (#22456744)

It will be interesting to see if artists et al can actually collect on this case. Since I don't believe tpb is actually violating swedish law.

Re:It's a civil case. (1)

91degrees (207121) | more than 6 years ago | (#22457066)

Neither do the Pirate Bay.

It is, of course, possible that both you and they are wrong.

Slashdot: official message board of the pirate bay (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22456754)

is anyone else sick of pirate bay stories CONSTANTLY being featured on slashdot? They are maybe newsworthy once in a while, but it seems like the Pirate Bay has bought slashdot based on how many stories are posted here.

Sue? (0, Redundant)

barl0w2 (1096357) | more than 6 years ago | (#22456770)

Good luck w/ that

Web sherrif? Hahaha :D (5, Interesting)

Idaho (12907) | more than 6 years ago | (#22456772)

Seriously, they're sending in this clueless company "Web Sherrif"?

I'm sure thepiratebay is getting scared [thepiratebay.org] now - see the links about halfway on that page to read the fine letters mailed between "the white stripes/Web sherrif" and thepiratebay admins.

Re:Web sherrif? Hahaha :D (1)

Nimey (114278) | more than 6 years ago | (#22457272)

The name sounds like something out of Snow Crash, not so?

R.I.A.A. (Y.M.C.A.) mockup song in 3-2-1 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22456782)

They're desperately asking for it.

The interesting thing.. (4, Insightful)

castrox (630511) | more than 6 years ago | (#22456786)

The really interesting thing is that all these artists are old-timers whose glory days are long gone. All their work was produced (mostly) way back.

This really brings out the real trouble with the system. Somehow music is a perpetual machine in terms of money making. Now, I get that if someone uses your songs in order to MAKE MONEY, then they should give some back to you (since you're alive), since your work is obviously making money.

But going after file sharers just seems rather absurd to me especially since the artists considered haven't produced anything new in quite a while and so just wants free lunch. It DOES seem very greedy to me.

I mean.. Get to work like everybody else?

Sue for what? (4, Insightful)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 6 years ago | (#22456794)

Million dollar damages sought for illegal file sharing
Huh? TPB isn't sharing any copyrighted files? Not even indirectly, like an ISP does.

They can at most sue them for some sort of grey area "contributory copyright infringement"...

Prince sue? (5, Interesting)

Wowsers (1151731) | more than 6 years ago | (#22456798)

Will Prince sue over his "Planet Earth" album he gave away for free in the Daily Mail [dailymail.co.uk] 'newspaper'?

Re:Prince sue? (2, Insightful)

gilesjuk (604902) | more than 6 years ago | (#22456886)

I suspect there's Prince and then there's Prince's recording label.

Many artists have left their label in protest, this action isn't always sanctioned by the artist.

Prince? (5, Funny)

j235 (734628) | more than 6 years ago | (#22456816)

You mean the artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as prince?

Macho, macho man... (5, Funny)

gerbouille (663639) | more than 6 years ago | (#22456824)

Why only Web Sheriff? Why not Web Indian and Web Construction Worker, too?

Re:Macho, macho man... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22456860)

_LOL_

Well I got the joke anyway. Uncultured heathens!

Re:Macho, macho man... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22457076)

Because he might have been the only one legitimately good with colours.

Arrrr (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22456830)

So tell me where to donate to the DEFENSE fund.

Remember, you can't have 'peanuts' without 'pet anus'.

Torrent sites should be able to defend themselves (5, Insightful)

NewsWatcher (450241) | more than 6 years ago | (#22456834)

Suing a torrent site for copyright infringement is something akin to suing a map-maker because a thief used the information to find a bank that was robbed (and yes, I know that with copyright infringement nothing is physically stolen), or suing a telephone company because two criminals used the network to plan a heist.

If all someone is doing is using information from a torrent site to find another party, and is not actively connecting the two copyright infringers Napster-style, then surely they can defend the accusations.

Re:Torrent sites should be able to defend themselv (4, Insightful)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 6 years ago | (#22456968)

*puts on Official "Playing Devil's(?) Advocate" horns*

Suing a torrent site for copyright infringement is something akin to suing a map-maker because a thief used the information to find a bank that was robbed (and yes, I know that with copyright infringement nothing is physically stolen), or suing a telephone company because two criminals used the network to plan a heist.
No, it's more like suing a map-maker when they produce a map that was specifically designed for (or with the intention that) it would be used for bank-robbing and similar activities, and included details pertinent to that activity.

Re:Torrent sites should be able to defend themselv (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22457130)

No, it's more like suing a map-maker when they produce a map that was specifically designed for (or with the intention that) it would be used for bank-robbing and similar activities, and included details pertinent to that activity.
No, it's more like being a manufacturer of map tools ( The Pirate Bay ) and the ones making the the maps ( The Users ) are making maps 'for bank-robbing and similar activities, and included details pertinent to that activity.'

Re:Torrent sites should be able to defend themselv (2, Insightful)

91degrees (207121) | more than 6 years ago | (#22457190)

No, it's more like a website hosting torrents of songs and movies, and being sued by the copyright holders.

I'm really not quite sure what the point is of your analogy.

No (2, Insightful)

Bored MPA (1202335) | more than 6 years ago | (#22457004)

It's like suing someone for driving a bus full of people to the bank and handing them keys to all the vaults. Whatever your opinion about IP/copyright, the facts of this matter are clear:

The site is called the goddamn PIRATE bay. It was not meant to be on the legal linux sharing side of things.

The vast majority of people using it have never and will never pay the artists for their work. And considering the number of small release work on there (non-big name games and movies), and direct to DVD movies that are leaked (like Stargate), the pirate bay and other sites probably have a significant impact on fair compensation (and thus decisions to produce).

And lastly, the PIRATE bay is clearly abetting the taking of income from individuals in a legally questionable (it's only legal in sweden, yay o_O) and clearly amoral manner...and they are profiting from it at the expense of others (like pirates). Note: Only the rich and popular can sue, I'm more concerned about those that can't.

The real enemy here is copyright law that protects corporations more than artists, and freedom from DRM (corporations _will_ replace/enhance copyright with DRM technologies). But the point, the point is that the Pirate Bay is not one of the good guys just because you can get something for nothing.

Re:No (1)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 6 years ago | (#22457220)

And lastly, the PIRATE bay is clearly abetting the taking of income from individuals

Taking? As in, they have the income, and then The Pirate Bay takes the income, and now The Pirate Bay has the income and the other guys don't?

Or is The Pirate Bay doing something entirely separate that has the side-effect of preventing the income from ever coming to exist in the first place?

Re:Torrent sites should be able to defend themselv (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22457168)

"Suing a torrent site for copyright infringement is something akin to suing a map-maker because a thief used the information to find a bank that was robbed (and yes, I know that with copyright infringement nothing is physically stolen), or suing a telephone company because two criminals used the network to plan a heist."

A better analogy would be to sue the manufacturer of the software that libraries use for managing their book catalogs. After all, that software allows any potential copyright infringer to walk in off the street and find the book they are searching for. They can then pull the book off the shelf to read it without the user paying a cent in compensation to the publishers. Even worse, someone could attempt to copy the entire book! If it weren't for that catalog, none of this would be possible.

Oh, wait, my lawyer is telling me that reading a book in the library, borrowing it, or even copying it isn't necessarily an infringing act ...

Added to my list of artists to avoid (3, Insightful)

Whuffo (1043790) | more than 6 years ago | (#22456864)

These has-been artists are using the legal system to prop up their declining income. Their sales are almost zero due to their "one or two hits many years ago" history; they've received as much money as their products would produce already.

They're hoping for a big payday - but once the lawyers get paid there won't be anything left. The lawyers are just using these people to support another attack against their customers.

A message for Prince, ABBA, and the Village People: your race has been run, get used to sitting in the sun. If you need more money, consider picking up trash and recycling the aluminum cans...

Re:Added to my list of artists to avoid (2, Insightful)

geek (5680) | more than 6 years ago | (#22457018)

That may be true for ABBA and The Village People but Prince is quite well off with his own gig in Vegas. Prince has been very vocal about the music industry and how fucked up it is. Regardless of whether you call them has beens or not, people ARE stealing the music and not paying the artist. It's a crime, doesn't matter if they are still popular or not.

Re:Added to my list of artists to avoid (4, Insightful)

ddrichardson (869910) | more than 6 years ago | (#22457204)

It's also worth noting that Prince gave away copies [guardian.co.uk] of his last album in a paper, which was extremely unpopular with the music industry - so it's not as if he doesn't want his work distributed.

Re:Added to my list of artists to avoid (3, Informative)

Barseflips (1241198) | more than 6 years ago | (#22457126)

While I can see that Village people or Prince might need more money, I very much doubt Abba need anything. It wasn't that long ago that they turned down the offer of one billion dollars to tour again. Björn and Benny make a LOT of money from musicals, with Mamma Mia being a massive hit (it has made around USD 2 billion). Abba had a few more than "one or two hits", and many bands have covered them since. To be honest, I doubt very much if Abba care that the pirate bay is facilitating the sharing of their material. In fact, being Swedish, they're probably cheering TPB on.

Re:Added to my list of artists to avoid (1)

NormalVisual (565491) | more than 6 years ago | (#22457164)

If you need more money, consider picking up trash and recycling the aluminum cans...

Or even going on a nostalgia tour. ABBA in particular's got no excuse - the last time they recorded anything new was more than 25 years ago, and these are the same people that turned down a *billion* dollars to do a reunion tour. There are plenty of old bands that continue to tour regularly (the wife insists we see Rick Springfield every year, for instance) to bring in income, maintain interest in their music, and hopefully gain some new fans rather than relying on twisting copyright law in some parasitic assumption that they're owed a living for past glories.

Village People suing the Pirate Bay (3, Funny)

blind biker (1066130) | more than 6 years ago | (#22456888)

I don't know exactly why, but the above sentence is full of all kinds of funny.

Re:Village People suing the Pirate Bay (1)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 6 years ago | (#22457194)

I don't know exactly why, but the above sentence is full of all kinds of funny.

Well, think about it. You have a problem: there's a bay full of pirates openly looting and plundering and flouting the law. What do you do?

Send for the Navy!

In other news... (3, Funny)

L. J. Beauregard (111334) | more than 6 years ago | (#22456932)

...people are actually bothering to pirate works by Prince, the Village People and ABBA.

ARRRR-BA (1)

Snufu (1049644) | more than 6 years ago | (#22456934)

Prince, The Village People, and ABBA aren't threatening litigiation, they are threatening live performance. Much in the way the U.S. military smokes out insurgents by playing highly offensive music.

ABBA: "Ohhhhh Fernando...."

The Pirate Bay: "Weigh anchor mateys, thar serious this time!"

I shot the Sheriff (0, Offtopic)

iminplaya (723125) | more than 6 years ago | (#22456944)

But I didnt shoot no deputy...

lol (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22456952)

Web Sheriff
I stopped reading there.

Because I was laughing too hard to focus my eyes

why pirate bay? (1)

Pvt. Cthulhu (990218) | more than 6 years ago | (#22457000)

i never understood why the pirate bay always shows up in the news as being under fire for distributing intellectual property. in my experience, it never has any seeders.

Newsflash: Irrelevant and Washed Up want to sue (0, Redundant)

bignetbuy (1105123) | more than 6 years ago | (#22457046)

Be honest, who downloads Prince or Village People songs anyway.

Established acts (4, Insightful)

MrKaos (858439) | more than 6 years ago | (#22457080)

It's interesting to note that it's established acts that seem to take this course of action against digital distribution and newer acts use it to distribute their music. I think it's interesting because distributing music via these emerging channels represent a lower barrier of entry into the market for new bands and a, somewhat obvious, challenge to the status quo for established acts (and the management structures that surrounds them).

I don't see this as bands vs. the pirate bay, but as old distribution model vs. new distribution model. The new music business model is emerging and trying to mold itself to what consumers, who use the internet, want. The old business model swats down the new business model where ever it emerges and will attempt to change laws and the very nature of the internet to do it.

The by-product of the music industries attempts to do this have two consequences if allowed to continue. 1) Banal crappy sounding music with very little originality and fewer bands (and they are made to an accountants recipe of what sells) and more seriously 2) The ability for business to innovate better business models using the internet will be hampered by the legal framework left over from the music industries legal maneuvering.

How do acts like Prince and The Village People know that their music isn't reaching a new audience *because* of places like the pirate bay? As a whole I think because the music industry is not prepared/able to adapt (it lacks the imagination) eventually it will be replaced, hopefully soon, and that their main fear is that the artists themselves will be able to have a direct relationship with the people who want to listen to their music and yield an income from that direct relationship.

Doesn't Sweden have harsh hate speech laws? (1)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 6 years ago | (#22457096)

I bet this is a trick into goading them into making homosexual jokes when mocking the letters. There's no way it CAN'T be.

They might be seeking "ass action" status.

Sensationalist Headline? (4, Funny)

The Real Nem (793299) | more than 6 years ago | (#22457122)

I thought for a minute there that the Prince of Sweden had teamed up with a random Swedish village to sue The Pirate Bay.

My train of thought went from anger at the demeaning and archaic reference to the Swedish populous as "village people", to puzzlement about what possible copyrights the prince and villagers could hold in common, to loss of what little respect I have left for those groups.

Well this makes me so mad... (1)

91degrees (207121) | more than 6 years ago | (#22457124)

I'm going to continue to not buy anything from Village people or Prince. Unless I happen to hear a song from either of them that I think is good enough that I decide to buy a CD.

Somehow I can't quite get to the level of rage that some people manage about one commercial organisation suing another over a dispute about a legal matter.

Forget old media, try indy records and books (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22457150)

Prince and ABBA are corporate sell-outs. Listen to indy bands and read indy books like America Deceived (book) [iuniverse.com] which was banned from Amazon and Wikipedia.

Can you say 'Streisand effect" and mean it? (1)

zappepcs (820751) | more than 6 years ago | (#22457206)

Seriously, all they are doing is calling attention to the fact that they are socially inept business creatures with not one clue how to treat their customers. If you march backward in time a few decades, you will see that the business practices then were to give customers value for money, and to be the one that gave them more or something unique.

Apparently, the 'music biz' has lost touch with that entrepreneurial spirit and moved on to 'sue the fuck out of everyone till they pay us in our graves' business model.

I have only these words to say:

1 - Buggy whip maker
2 - Horse Farrier
3 - Whale hunter
4 - Lamp Lighter
5 - Gold Miner
6 - Candle maker
7 - 8-track tape manufacturer
8 - DOS code writer
9 - Transatlantic passenger liner captain
10 - Japanese longshoreman...

Well, hell, by now you get the idea. Crying to the teacher that ALL the other kids on the playground are stealing from you is not going to go too far for too long. The problem of this whole situation is never really looked at correctly. In the main instance, the music business that is claiming harm here has two historical facts surrounding it:

1 - They were the ONLY way to get into big money music arena
2 - They controlled ALL of the distribution

What they are suing for is insubstantial next to the fact that what they have lost is those two things.

The intarwebtubetrucks stole their business while they were not looking, or more pointedly, while they had their heads buried in a nice tidy pile of cocaine.

What is not recognized nor even noted is the fact that they ARE in fact dinosaurs. Their business is to create fashionable music groups and advertise them. Whoops, those damned intarwebs have taken that from them. All they have left is copyrights (which by all accounts they basically bilked the artists out of) to keep them afloat in expensive lifestyles and habit forming drugs.

Now, you ask, why do I insist on intimating that they are all drug addled ass-wipes? Well, I answer: Prove that I'm wrong.

Show us one or three or even a dozen folks in the big money music business who actually are not? Then contrast and compare that to the rest of them? Go ahead, use Anonymous like efforts to uncover it all, then tell/prove me wrong. The trouble, even if you find some, is that most are exactly what I'm implying.

This leads to the sad conclusion that this small group of private businesses who are using their money to influence the rest of the world's governments. If anyone needed a bastille day, it IS the music and movie industries.

I'm not against anyone making some money, not at all. The sad fact is that the **AA do not create anything. They leach off of actual artists, using their talent to make money for distribution and popularization. In retort I send you NIN, Radiohead, and a host of indie groups that are changing how we, the people, see the entertainment industry. The sad truth is that the **AA are not innovating. They continue to want to sell the fucked up buggy whips. Damn them to hell. I can't wait till their money runs out.

Slowly but surely, people and businesses are learning the lesson, Barbara fucked up, and they need to avoid what happened to her. It is a slow process and it will take a lot more demonstrations, a lot more people in court asking the judge to force the plaintiff to defend their ridiculous damage claims.

The good news: We are getting there. There is light at the end of the tunnel. Better news is that independent artists are showing the way by taking a risk, offering their content for free or whatever you will pay. Amazingly, such experiments are successful, despite the stealing. They make money by CUTTING OUT THE BLOOD SUCKING MIDDLEMEN.

Finally, TPB is involved because they are helping to facilitate the great change that IS NEEDED for the music industry to remove itself from the collective death grip of the **AA. They are the focal point (so to speak) of this whole change. Do they deserve our support? HELL YES. Do they deserve to be in court? HELL NO Did Mr Ford deserve to be taken to court for making cheaper cars?

The problem is one of perspective. When you look at it from the big money/political perspective TPB looks a bit sinister, but that is probably how buggy makers looked at Mr Ford.

In the end, we need to give a big high fuck you and goodbye to the past ways, and move on to the new, better, more efficient ways.

Go ahead, argue with me about it... sigh

I didn't know (0)

EEPROMS (889169) | more than 6 years ago | (#22457216)

there were so many gay pirates out there.

I For One... (1)

rueger (210566) | more than 6 years ago | (#22457246)

Will not be buying the next Village People album! Nor will I buy tickets for their next world tour!

Ick. Or visiting their web site again... [officialvi...people.com] Can you say Geocities? I knew you could!

No court date needed (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22457262)

This won't go to court...they'll settle through ARRRRR-bitration!
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