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I wonder who will be first.. (4, Insightful)

jskline (301574) | more than 6 years ago | (#22479660)

I wonder who will be first to be contacting these guys and threatening legal retaliation based on DMCA.

"You can't copy that tune from there to this device. You must pay another fee!"...

Re:I wonder who will be first.. (4, Funny)

infonography (566403) | more than 6 years ago | (#22479760)

I wonder who will be first to be contacting these guys and threatening legal retaliation based on DMCA.

"You can't copy that tune from there to this device. You must pay another fee!"...
I would guess it would be Prince. [techdigest.tv]

Who else?

Re:I wonder who will be first.. (1)

jskline (301574) | more than 6 years ago | (#22479856)

LOL...

You are probably right. Technology or not, tie it up in the courts and soak your listeners for millions of dollars that you'll never ever see...

What is property? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22480038)

Property is theft.

Re:What is property? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22480670)

Anarchists are so cute!

"It Won't Be Apple" (2, Funny)

Wandering Wombat (531833) | more than 6 years ago | (#22480164)

From Another Article:

The company is confident there will not be any legal challenges from Apple. "All we are facilitating are friends sending things to one another," Ms Farantzos told the Reuters news agency.

Re:I wonder who will be first.. (5, Funny)

unlametheweak (1102159) | more than 6 years ago | (#22480740)

Well if we can get everybody here on Slash to keep this little secret to ourselves, I'm sure there won't be any problems with the MPAA, DMCA or any other organizations harassing the company with lawsuits, etc. To quote the eloquent and charismatic [wikipedia.org] Steve Jobs, "Loose lips sink ships".

DMCA doesn't apply ourside USofA (4, Funny)

SethJohnson (112166) | more than 6 years ago | (#22480946)

threatening legal retaliation based on DMCA.

I'd like to see US law enforced over in Oslo, Norway. Wouldn't that be a hoot.

Seth

Re:DMCA doesn't apply ourside USofA (4, Informative)

aitikin (909209) | more than 6 years ago | (#22481046)

Too bad Doubletwist was founded in California in the "USofA" and, as such, is subject to DMCA, regardless of where its programmer's reside.

Re:DMCA doesn't apply ourside USofA (2, Informative)

unlametheweak (1102159) | more than 6 years ago | (#22481178)

From what I can gather from TFA the only thing that is happening with this technology is that it is merely making a copy of the analogue version of a song. With 64-bit computers that support hardware and software base Trusted Computing Platform, and the 64-bit versions of Windows which support TCP software and hardware, this application may become antiquated in the not to distant future.

Re:DMCA doesn't apply ourside USofA (1)

Nazlfrag (1035012) | more than 6 years ago | (#22481298)

Pardon? How does trusted computing plug the analogue hole, and what has 64 bits got to do with it?

Re:DMCA doesn't apply ourside USofA (3, Insightful)

lgw (121541) | more than 6 years ago | (#22481398)

Not trusted computing, but Vista attempts to plug the analog hole by not alowing high fidelity analog output (at leats of video). Trusted computing could be used to prevent driver-level work-arounds, but that's the direction Microsoft took. Instead they just invalidate all of your DRMed content if they detect a driver not on their whitelist (at least according to the NEtflix story a few weeks back).

Re:I wonder who will be first.. (5, Interesting)

TheVelvetFlamebait (986083) | more than 6 years ago | (#22481316)

"You can't copy that tune from there to this device. You must pay another fee!"...
From the DMCA: [copyright.gov]

Section 1201 divides technological measures into two categories: measures that prevent unauthorized access to a copyrighted work and measures that prevent unauthorized copying of a copyrighted work. Making or selling devices or services that are used to circumvent either category of technological measure is prohibited in certain circumstances, described below. As to the act of circumvention in itself, the provision prohibits circumventing the first category of technological measures, but not the second.

This distinction was employed to assure that the public will have the continued ability to make fair use of copyrighted works. Since copying of a work may be a fair use under appropriate circumstances, section 1201 does not prohibit the act of circumventing a technological measure that prevents copying. By contrast, since the fair use doctrine is not a defense to the act of gaining unauthorized access to a work, the act of circumventing a technological measure in order to gain access is prohibited.
I am not a lawyer, or by no means competent in reading laws. However, from what I can gather, unless the DRM is designed to prevent you from accessing the content (e.g. napster after your subscription expires), then you may circumvent for fair use. It actually does prohibit "making or selling devices or services that are used to circumvent either category of technological measure", but not owning or being in possession of such goods or services. That means that as long as DVD Jon's actions are legal in whichever country he chooses to stay, he can continue to make and distribute his DRM-circumventing programs, and we can legally download and use them, so long as we don't distribute the programs ourselves (e.g. give it to a friend).

Oh really (1)

Vexor (947598) | more than 6 years ago | (#22479668)

Can it strip the DRM of iTunes songs and put them in a nice .mp3 format?

Re:Oh really (2, Informative)

Zebraheaded (1229302) | more than 6 years ago | (#22479690)

Yes. From the article.

The software automatically plays the song files in the background (sans volume) and re-records them as MP3 files so they can be transferred to any device. Note: DoubleTwist only does this for songs you own or are authorized to play in iTunes.

Re:Oh really (4, Insightful)

ditoa (952847) | more than 6 years ago | (#22479772)

So it is basically doing a software based line-out to line-in (aka loopback) encode? How is this anything special? I have done this for years using nothing but simple audio tools. Or is it doing something more intelligent? (I fail to see how though as it is still lossy -> lossy conversion).

Re:Oh really (4, Interesting)

Romancer (19668) | more than 6 years ago | (#22479944)

It's special because of two things, the history of the name and the goal of the product. DVD Jon is creating a friendly all encompasing media bridge between online media, local collections and portable devices that "your parents could use" according to the article. This means mass adoption if it works and doesn't get legally raped.

Re:Oh really (4, Insightful)

compro01 (777531) | more than 6 years ago | (#22480178)

How is this anything special?
it's simple, automated, and usable by pretty much anyone.

Re:Oh really (3, Funny)

somersault (912633) | more than 6 years ago | (#22480816)

It's the digital equivalent of growing seamonkeys!

Re:Oh really (1)

ditoa (952847) | more than 6 years ago | (#22481362)

I understand that I just thought it was something more than a frontend. I guess I have expect more from DVD Jon. It is a bit of a disappointment to me.

Re:Oh really (3, Interesting)

MBGMorden (803437) | more than 6 years ago | (#22480484)

I hate to break it to you, but ANY conversion from AAC is going to be lossy->lossy. There's not way around that because the compression algorithms are different. The best you could hope to achieve would be to convert from DRM'd AAC to non-DRM'd AAC. That's the only way you can avoid the quality loss incurred by a format conversion.

For a similar example in non-DRM terms: take an image. The less simple it is the quicker this will become obvious, but even on a photograph it will show soon. Save it as JPG. OK, now save it as PNG. Save it as JPG again. Go back and forth like this several times. Open and view the image. Notice that regardless of the fact that there was no-DRM involved and this was a completely legit "no workaround" conversion between formats, it looses information every time.

Re:Oh really (2, Interesting)

squidfood (149212) | more than 6 years ago | (#22481058)

The best you could hope to achieve would be to convert from DRM'd AAC to non-DRM'd AAC.

But that would be worth achieving, otherwise this is just an unexciting automation of the analog hole.

Re:Oh really (Oh really?) (4, Informative)

yoblin (692322) | more than 6 years ago | (#22481262)

Not true.. just convert to a non-lossy format like FLAC. You won't get quality better than the original AAC file, but you won't get any worse either...

Re:Oh really (1)

ditoa (952847) | more than 6 years ago | (#22481324)

Yes I understand the technical differences between AAC and MP3. It was just this application seemed to be advertised as a DRM remover not a frontend to a few transcoding applications. I was hoping it would be a bit more impressive by doing as you say and removing the DRM from AAC files, not just playing them in the background and encoding them.

Re:Oh really (1)

QMalcolm (1094433) | more than 6 years ago | (#22479724)

Yes, it's called Freetunes.

Yes (1)

garett_spencley (193892) | more than 6 years ago | (#22479736)

From TFA:

"DoubleTwist also recognizes and imports all iTunes playlists and will read instantly which ones are protected by digital rights management technology. The software automatically plays the song files in the background (sans volume) and re-records them as MP3 files so they can be transferred to any device. Note: DoubleTwist only does this for songs you own or are authorized to play in iTunes."

So it will create DRM-free files but only for files that you are "authorized" to play. So it's not like someone sends you a DRM'ed file and it will happily remove the DRM and let you play it. Of course the whole point is that people can use this to share any kind of media with pretty much anyone.

Re:Yes (4, Insightful)

moderatorrater (1095745) | more than 6 years ago | (#22479970)

Of course the whole point is that people can use this to share any kind of media with pretty much anyone
It could also be used (and correct me if I'm wrong here, i'm going way out on a limb) for being able to play your music on any device that you want to. Incompatibilities have killed my (legally bought) media before, and that's what I'd use this software for. If I wanted to freely share my any kind of media with anyone else, I'd just download it with limewire or bittorrent.

Re:Yes (5, Interesting)

infonography (566403) | more than 6 years ago | (#22480730)

Slips out of a tricky situation with regards to breaking DRM. By using a already owned DRM key it doesn't have to break the protection. This keeps the software maker (you know who) out of any sticking 'breaking their encryption issues'. This makes it fairly immune to DMCA attacks thus reducing it to an automated method of converting files. These already methods already exist and it just makes the task easy.

I don't know (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22480054)

Can it strip the DRM of iTunes songs and put them in a nice .mp3 format?
IDK, try RTFA!

Re:Oh really (1)

Wolvie MkM (661535) | more than 6 years ago | (#22480504)

Try J-Hymn brother! That's what I've been using worked pretty damn well so far

Re:Oh really (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22480690)

JHymn has been broken for years. There are a number of recent developments (MyFairTunes, ffh, Requiem) which do the same job, though.

Re:Oh really (1)

Wolvie MkM (661535) | more than 6 years ago | (#22481086)

Shows how much I pay attention, thanks!

Re:Oh really (1)

pixelpusher220 (529617) | more than 6 years ago | (#22481206)

I used JHymn a while back but stopped after one of the Apple 'updates' killed it's ability. Is it back up to stripping the most recent version of iTunes DRM?

Re:Oh really (1)

Wolvie MkM (661535) | more than 6 years ago | (#22481314)

Judging by AC's reply of my post I guess not. Seems the music I had used an older Apple DRM on it and that's probably why it worked. Looks like the new stuff no worky.

Blu Ray Johnny (0)

rvw (755107) | more than 6 years ago | (#22479680)

I wonder when he will request a new nickname!

Supported Formants (5, Informative)

milsoRgen (1016505) | more than 6 years ago | (#22479698)

Supported Media Formats

Video: 3gp (used by most cell phones), MPEG4 (.mp4, .m4v), wmv, avi and MPEG2 (.mpg, .mpv, .mpeg) Audio: mp3, aac/m4a, wma, wav Pictures: jpg, gif, png, bmp

HOLY SHIT STOP THE PRESSES!!!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22480502)

You mean I can drag FUCKING COMMON MEDIA FORMATS to my device, by now using a special app instead of the previous EASY METHOD?!?!?!?!? OH MY FUCKING GOD!!!!!

Re:Supported Formants (1)

ILuvRamen (1026668) | more than 6 years ago | (#22480660)

is that for just input or output? And can it use other codecs installed on a computer like Divx or Xvid?

Quotable Quotes (4, Informative)

milsoRgen (1016505) | more than 6 years ago | (#22480720)

The EULA [doubletwist.no]
The Privacy Policy [doubletwist.no]
The Terms of Service [doubletwist.no]

Quotable Quotes

Please note that this Privacy Statement is not a binding contract and does not create any legal rights. It is made available to you so that you can make an informed decision about using the doubleTwist website and services after considering the steps doubleTwist takes to protect your private personal information

doubleTwist" means the SpiceFlow Corporation, a company incorporated under the laws of Cayman Islands, having its registered office at PO Box 309GT, M&C Corporate Services Limited, Ugland House, South Church St, George Town, Grand Cayman, Cayman Islands, and any SpiceFlow Corporation subsidiaries or affiliated companies.

You acknowledge and agree that doubleTwist, in its sole discretion, may modify or discontinue or suspend Your ability to use any version of the doubleTwist Software, and/or disable any doubleTwist Software You may already have accessed or installed without any notice to You, for the repair, improvement, and/or upgrade of the underlying technology or for any other justifiable reason...

We may use Personal Data to: provide services and customer support You request; resolve disputes, collect fees, and troubleshoot problems; enforce our Terms of Service; customize, measure, and improve doubleTwist Software, VoIP Service and Website content and layout; inform You about targeted marketing, service updates, and promotional offers (unless You opt out)

Re:Supported Formants (1)

arodland (127775) | more than 6 years ago | (#22480742)

Formants? So it has speech recognition then?

Re:Supported Formants (1)

_KiTA_ (241027) | more than 6 years ago | (#22480848)

Supported Media Formats

Video: 3gp (used by most cell phones), MPEG4 (.mp4, .m4v), wmv, avi and MPEG2 (.mpg, .mpv, .mpeg)
Audio: mp3, aac/m4a, wma, wav
Pictures: jpg, gif, png, bmp
I'm hoping they add PDF support someday. I have a few PDFs using a DRM system called "KeyringPDF" that makes it pretty much impossible to backup (although they have a scary, use-once backup "bookmark" system that you can use to reclaim your media), and you can't even do the screenshot trick -- your screen captures nothing but "Protected by KeyringPDF". I finally backed it up to JPGs via a second copy of WinXP and "Virtual PC 2007", though.

If you have a linux machine nearby, ... (2, Interesting)

hummassa (157160) | more than 6 years ago | (#22481196)

1. configure cups-pdf
2. configure samba and share the cups-pdf printer
3. print the PDF to said printer
4....
5. profit??!! (serious, now you should have an unlocked PDF for your document)

Re:Supported Formants (1)

milsoRgen (1016505) | more than 6 years ago | (#22481212)

Considering the effort you went through to back them up, I'd say saving in a lossless format like .PNG would be a good move. And could you not print them out? Then use a scanner to import them back on to your PC?

A utility to copy media to any device (0)

kcbanner (929309) | more than 6 years ago | (#22479702)

I've been using something like this for awhile, its called "dd" (run as root for extra goodness).

Re:A utility to copy media to any device (5, Funny)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 6 years ago | (#22480100)

I've been using something like this for awhile, its called "dd" (run as root for extra goodness).
I've tried to use it to copy a CD to my mouse, but it didn't work, even when run as root.

Re:A utility to copy media to any device (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22480852)

I've been using something like this for awhile, its called "dd" (run as root for extra goodness).
I've tried to use it to copy a CD to my mouse, but it didn't work, even when run as root.

Maybe try sending it directly to your speakers for pure digital delivery?

You did it wrong. (1)

Nursie (632944) | more than 6 years ago | (#22480902)

Real winners dd the mouse to the CD.

Now that's music!

Re:A utility to copy media to any device MOD UP! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22480224)

MODDER UP TEH PARENT!

this is a lynucks news site after all

Re:A utility to copy media to any device (3, Insightful)

just_another_sean (919159) | more than 6 years ago | (#22480276)

I've been using something like this for awhile, its called "dd" (run as root for extra goodness).
Yes, DD which, as it's name suggests, makes an exact duplicate of whatever it is copying, including whatever DRM is in the file.

And while there are a lot of tools for stripping DRM available Jon is saying he wants to bring it to the masses. To quote (paraphrase?) "I want your parents to be able to do it".

It's not about hacking DRM because it should all be free, it's not about mass distribution of "pirated" (Arhh!) material, it's about making the exercising of fair use rights by consumers as easy as it was with VHS/Cassettes/CDROM (the real CDROM, the one that is allowed to use the logo).

Re:A utility to copy media to any device (1)

Tony Hoyle (11698) | more than 6 years ago | (#22480526)

Sending copyrighted files to your friends over facebook is not fair use by any sane defintion of the word.. it's *all* about distribution of pirated material. The only reason it's not mass distribution is facebook sucks too much to manage it.

Re:A utility to copy media to any device (1)

nschubach (922175) | more than 6 years ago | (#22480704)

So, if/when it becomes possible to create objects from electronic signals easily enough for my parents to download and run the "make me a Volvo" script, will it be illegal for them to do so? Are my Star Trek dreams of nutritionally balanced lasagna whenever I want a foregone fantasy?

Re:A utility to copy media to any device (1)

Tony Hoyle (11698) | more than 6 years ago | (#22481120)

Well yes actually... it'd be a breach of copyright and probably a few hundred patents to 'make a volvo', even if you supplied the parts.

Star trek isn't going to happen I'm afraid. The lawyers got there first.

One-trick pony? (1)

Wesley Felter (138342) | more than 6 years ago | (#22479712)

This looks like the same old FairPlay crack, just with a better GUI. It doesn't strip any other kind of DRM.

Re:One-trick pony? (3, Interesting)

compro01 (777531) | more than 6 years ago | (#22480128)

how do you figure that? as far as i understand it, this is practically an automated analog hole trick. theoretically, it should be able to bypass pretty much any DRM scheme.

Re:One-trick pony? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22481408)

Except services like HDCP.

Also, I'm not too impressed if it has to go back and reencode these lossy formats. Pretty lame.

But can it... (4, Funny)

Thelasko (1196535) | more than 6 years ago | (#22479718)

1)Convert all of my HD DVD movies into Blue Ray movies?

2)Run on Linux

Probably... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22480266)

... if you care to pay the 200$ cost(tax) for a Blu-ray burner.

Re:But can it... (0, Redundant)

Thelasko (1196535) | more than 6 years ago | (#22480950)

What? -1 overrated? Come on that's funny! Let me explain it to you since you obviously didn't get it. It's funny since HD DVD is dead and if I actually owned any HD DVDs I would be stuck with them. A good business model would be one that converts all of those orphaned HD DVDs into Blue Ray disks. But this program doesn't do that. It does things that several other programs on the market already do. Those other programs are available for Linux. This program is not. Making the above joke doubly funny. Plus it is so very close to the old Slashdot meme "does it run on Linux" making it triply funny. Come on, it's funny, laugh!

Re:But can it... (2)

arj026 (878802) | more than 6 years ago | (#22481432)

You mean convert all the new blu-ray movies into HDDVD so i can watch it in my defunct player..

VAC? (1)

Compuser (14899) | more than 6 years ago | (#22479732)

How is this different from Virtual Audio Cable?

Re:VAC? (5, Interesting)

boourns (1180959) | more than 6 years ago | (#22479836)

Virtual Audio Cable isn't free, while DoubleTwist is.

*YAWN* (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22479742)

Looping the audio and creating a non-DRMed second generation copy?

That's so last century.

DVD John is losing his edge.

One question (1)

Protonk (599901) | more than 6 years ago | (#22479758)

Is this just a frontend for the same technology that exists now? I mean, is this just a program that centralizes DRM cracks for common media?

Same same (2, Insightful)

themushroom (197365) | more than 6 years ago | (#22480246)

Yes, it does appear to be a centralized way of converting A to B. And contrary to the article title, it does not kill DRM -- it just converts what you rightfully own to another format. You still have to purchase those iTunes songs in order to convert them, you can't just convert what you find on the net, thus is no different than using WMP or iTunes to burn to disk then rip the disks to files (if those two programs don't convert directly to MP3 or your preferred flavor without the intermediary disk step).

Keep trying, Jon, you'll liberate some oppressed music yet. :)

Oh, great... (5, Funny)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 6 years ago | (#22479858)

Every time this dude releases a hack I'm not interested in using, I end up being forced to download a new patch from Apple for my iTunes/iPod if I want to buy new music.

Re:Oh, great... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22480228)

Such is the life of a complete tool, Go back to fantasy land with your psychotic leader Ron Paul. Maybe you can help him save future criminals from abortion. No one likes you anyway.

Re:Oh, great... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22481228)

Bad news... this time they're going to have to plug the analog hole. From TFA: "The software automatically plays the song files in the background (sans volume) and re-records them as MP3 files so they can be transferred to any device. Note: DoubleTwist only does this for songs you own or are authorized to play in iTunes."

I guess we're going to hear reports of the latest update 'bricking' iPods? ;)

Registration (2, Insightful)

lucifig (255388) | more than 6 years ago | (#22479878)

The install page doesn't mention anything about having to register for some reason. I think I'll go ahead and pass on that until after the subpoenas come through.

Setup Wants an E-Mail Address (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22479914)

On a whim, I tried installing this. Once the setup is complete, it wants my e-mail address to create an "account" for me... and it installs a couple of other programs I didn't agree to. Sorry, not interested - deleted.

Re:Setup Wants an E-Mail Address (5, Informative)

d3ac0n (715594) | more than 6 years ago | (#22480344)

Looks like this is an "Online Only" program. Basically, if you don't have an account to sign into, it doesn't work. It is NOT a standalone application, but a networked application.

Looks to me like they are trying to create another Kazaa or Napster.

Too bad. It seemed much nicer when I thought it was a standalone. I have no interest in running yet another networked application just to gain access to what should be a standalone function.

Excuse me, I have to go uninstall this now.

Re:Setup Wants an E-Mail Address (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22480846)

Its probably online only so when you try and copy data from something it can go out and get the latest virus ^H^H^H^H^H definitions so it knows how to move the media. Sure it would be nice if they let you store that locally and only checked for updates. However this way it is more likely to work all the time. Rather then have Mom wonder why she can't move the music from that new "CD" she bought when she hasn't connected to the internet since you were last home half a year ago.

Or it could be laden with spy-ware crap. [shrug]

Re:Setup Wants an E-Mail Address (5, Funny)

TheVelvetFlamebait (986083) | more than 6 years ago | (#22481464)

Um, if your sig is accurate, how the hell did you end up replying to an AC?

Re:Setup Wants an E-Mail Address (1)

drdanny_orig (585847) | more than 6 years ago | (#22480814)

>Sorry, not interested - deleted Ditto that. It also installed something called "ffdshow" and doubletwist's uninstall leaves ffdshow intact. *sigh

Re:Setup Wants an E-Mail Address (2, Informative)

d3ac0n (715594) | more than 6 years ago | (#22480974)

ffdshow is just a media codec. Nothing to worry about there. I already had it since I have the Matroska community pack installed on my machine.

Re:Setup Wants an E-Mail Address (1)

NeutronCowboy (896098) | more than 6 years ago | (#22481088)

ffdshow is an open source video codec. This sounds more like an issue with their uninstaller. I'm curious to see what the other "programs" are that people are complaining about.... I guess that's why I run Windows in a VM these days. Easy to roll back in case something goes wrong.

Re:Setup Wants an E-Mail Address (1)

Sangui (1128165) | more than 6 years ago | (#22481176)

ffdshow is like an audo/video codec. Except it does many of them, and very well.

I hope RIAA doesn't arm twist DVD Jon into (1)

ptr2004 (695756) | more than 6 years ago | (#22480002)

halting DoubleTwist development.

Re:I hope RIAA doesn't arm twist DVD Jon into (1)

Jaysyn (203771) | more than 6 years ago | (#22480078)

Yeah, thats a very interesting point considering he's no longer living in Europe. He's actually legally "touchable" by the media cartels now.

in related news (4, Funny)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 6 years ago | (#22480116)

RIAA Creates DVD Jon Killer

I assume... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22480412)

...by "related news" you meant "Soviet Russia". This is Slashdot, after all.

It Required MSdotNET (3, Informative)

Soloact (805735) | more than 6 years ago | (#22480158)

Went to give this a try. Upon starting the installation, the application required MS' dotNET and started to download it. That's when I hit the CANCEL. Don't want that dotNET on my computer at all.

Re:It Required MSdotNET (1)

mozzis (231162) | more than 6 years ago | (#22480330)

A disciple of Ned Ludd, I see.

Re:It Required MSdotNET (1)

Soloact (805735) | more than 6 years ago | (#22481220)

LOL! Actually, I was quite ignorant on who Ned Ludd was until I did a search for the name. My reasons for not wanting dotNET are from bad experiences with it, and better experiences once it, and all applications requiring it, were removed.

Re:It Required MSdotNET (1)

Oldstench (1180217) | more than 6 years ago | (#22481374)

I used to feel as you did. Then I realized that it was just that .NET 1.1 sucked. 2.0 is much better.

Re:It Required MSdotNET (1, Redundant)

saider (177166) | more than 6 years ago | (#22480414)


Judging by your knee-jerk, I'd say your reflexes are fine.

Seriously, dotNet is just another environment, like Java or Gnome, except that it comes from *gasp* Microsoft.

Any technical reasons why you do not want dotNet on your Microsoft platform?

Re:It Required MSdotNET (2, Interesting)

Soloact (805735) | more than 6 years ago | (#22481154)

Any technical reasons why you do not want dotNet on your Microsoft platform?

Too many bad experiences with some applications requiring one version of dotNET, and different applications requiring another version. In both such cases, the apps wouldn't work with the different versions that other apps used. Also, had the bad experience of a Trojan that had installed itself at the same time that dotNET was installing, which made me even more dissapointed in dotNET.
I then uninstalled all dotNET versions, and uninstalled any software that used it, and feel I'm better off now without it.

Windows....Mac.....? (0)

LordPhantom (763327) | more than 6 years ago | (#22480190)

Any reason there isn't a linux binary for this?

Re:Windows....Mac.....? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22480462)

Any reason there isn't a linux binary for this?
Because you are a fucking moron.

Re:Windows....Mac.....? (2, Insightful)

porkmusket (954006) | more than 6 years ago | (#22480570)

Let's see... might it be because there is no iTunes binary for linux?

Re:Windows....Mac.....? (1)

Bearhouse (1034238) | more than 6 years ago | (#22480964)

Because there's plenty of ways of doing this already on Linux, without installing crap like this.
On windows and (OK, a little harder), Mac too...

Of course, if you really want it, just use Wine.

Re:Windows....Mac.....? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22481056)

I imagine it's for the same reason there isn't a binary for Syllable, Haiku, SkyOS, etc. Whine all you want, but they've gotta draw the line somewhere....

Just read the license and Priv. statement (5, Insightful)

wethion (871311) | more than 6 years ago | (#22480212)

Umm.. after reading them relatively carefully, I don't think I'll be using that software. Basically, you give us your info, we update ourselves on what you're doing, we send it to the Cayman Islands and we promise promise promise never to give it to anyone else unless you agree, we're bought, subpoena'd or otherwise compromised. Somehow... I don't think so. Peace.

Aww, no Blu-Ray? (2, Interesting)

Thagg (9904) | more than 6 years ago | (#22480248)

At some point, I do expect that very large organizations will break the DRM on Blu-Ray, and they'll probably present it to DVD-Jon, much like they did with DVD's. Probably be a while, though.

Stay tuned for DVD Jon's Autobiography... (3, Funny)

jpellino (202698) | more than 6 years ago | (#22480264)

"My Life As A Nail"

DoubleTwist (0, Offtopic)

Otter (3800) | more than 6 years ago | (#22480296)

The name DoubleTwist has been used for a decade by a bioinformatics company (where it makes a lot more sense), but Johansen seems to have gotten the doubletwist.com domain away from them. I guess that given his manifest concern for intellectual property rights, it was obvious that he'd have gotten his legal ducks in a row.

(Trying to find a link, I see this old NYT story about how they discovered 105,000 [nytimes.com] of the 20,000 human genes we have today. Those were the days, huh?)

Does it really work this way??? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22480650)

"The software automatically plays the song files in the background (sans volume) and re-records them as MP3 files so they can be transferred to any device."

This is not stripping DRM, this amounts to a generational loss of quality when its decompressed and recompressed. Why would someone known for cracking DRM protections start a company that recodes the files with loss of quality instead of strip the DRM from the existing file? Isn't this the same thing as connecting a SP/DIF cable to your output and feeding it back in so that you can recompress the digital signal as mp3? That's not what I called cracking DRM. Thats a poor mans solution to overcoming DRM.

Re:Does it really work this way??? (1)

Eric(b0mb)Dennis (629047) | more than 6 years ago | (#22481160)

Don't be foolish, it is cracking DRM. It does it seamlessly and in a way transparent to the user. Sure, you get negligible loss of quality.. but the concept is what media sharing is all about.

If you can see it or hear it, it can be replicated, no matter what you do.

Get Torrent here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22480922)

Tried it. Just causes my PC to reboot. (1)

Kris_J (10111) | more than 6 years ago | (#22481370)

I installed it this morning (finally, after the downloader managed to complete successfully) and each time I click on the "Sync" button my PC reboots. So much for that.

Can't you already do this? (1)

Mesa MIke (1193721) | more than 6 years ago | (#22481484)

... by starting up your favorite audio recording software and selecting "wave out mix" as the input device while whatever DRMed thing is playing?

This works for WMA and RealAudio files.
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