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Hearing Voices? Could Be the Lasers

kdawson posted more than 6 years ago | from the or-maybe-the-sharks dept.

The Military 225

An anonymous reader sends us to Wired for a piece about some declassified Pentagon research from 1998 that has been revealed in a freedom-of-information filing. Apparently the Pentagon has investigated lasers that put voices in your head, among other non-lethal technologies such as microwave heating. The report suggests the techniques could be useful for controlling crowds or in negotiations. There is no context for the research or any indication whether it has continued, although the microwave heating bit sounds rather like the Active Denial System we have discussed recently.

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225 comments

Real Genius (5, Funny)

cthulu_mt (1124113) | more than 6 years ago | (#22481954)

Kent: Is that you God?

Re:Real Genius (0)

danwat1234 (942579) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482406)

'God': "And stop touching yourself!"

Re:Real Genius (1)

professional_troll (1178701) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482946)

God: Kent, for the last time I will NOT do anal, it hurts

Re:Real Genius (5, Funny)

Samgilljoy (1147203) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482852)

Just wait until they sell the technology to the private sector. Instead of poor slobs standing on street corners waving signs, we'll have troops of unskilled laborers running around with laser devices trying to shoot everyone in the head.

Laser Advertising: straight out your marketers' asses into your customers' heads.

Another Piece of Technology (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22481962)

[Mitch Taylor speaking through the microphone so that Kent hears voices in his head]
Mitch: And from now on, stop playing with yourself.
Kent: It is God.
And yet another piece of technology from a great movie becomes obsolete ...

Tin foil hats vs. orbital mind control lasers. (5, Funny)

Spectre (1685) | more than 6 years ago | (#22481990)

See, the tinfoil hats REALLY DO WORK against the orbital mind control lasers ...

Re:Tin foil hats vs. orbital mind control lasers. (5, Funny)

ZenDragon (1205104) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482088)

A former Arizona governor used to wear tin foil hats and cover his windows with tin foil at the governors office (where I worked for a while). Everybody thought he was just crazy but apparently he knew something that we did not!

Re:Tin foil hats vs. orbital mind control lasers. (3, Informative)

palegray.net (1195047) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482306)

Could that governor have been the guy discussed in this article [badastronomy.com] . He sure sounds like the mind-ray fearing type...

Re:Tin foil hats vs. orbital mind control lasers. (2)

bughunter (10093) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482520)

I've got my tinfoil hat on [eclectech.co.uk] !

Re:Tin foil hats vs. orbital mind control lasers. (0)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482546)

See, the tinfoil hats REALLY DO WORK against the orbital mind control lasers ...


Oh, don't worry. The sharks will take care of the tinfoil hats.

Yep. Sharks. With friggin' lasers attached their heads!

Re:Tin foil hats vs. orbital mind control lasers. (4, Funny)

Rei (128717) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482692)

I knew it! Conspiracy theories: 1. Regular theories: A billion

Re:Tin foil hats vs. orbital mind control lasers. (1)

repapetilto (1219852) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482904)

Have you ever seen the X-files movie?

Mulder:If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced

If torture wasn't unreliable enough (5, Insightful)

WarJolt (990309) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482014)

Torture isn't a reliable means to obtain information. I know...I have a great idea... Lets make them crazy.

I Wouldn't Laugh ... (4, Informative)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482132)

Torture isn't a reliable means to obtain information. I know...I have a great idea... Lets make them crazy.
Yeah, that's funny--although I would mod it insightful. Although perhaps you should read Mikhail Bulgakov's works that were satires of how the Soviet Union tortured him indirectly [wikipedia.org] . From the Wikipedia entry on his most famous work [wikipedia.org] :

A memorable and much-quoted line in The Master and Margarita is: "manuscripts don't burn" (Russian: ). The Master is a writer who is plagued by both his own mental problems and the oppression of Stalin's regime in 1930s Moscow. He burns his treasured manuscript in an effort to hide it from the Soviet authorities and cleanse his own mind from the troubles the work has brought him. There is an autobiographical element reflected in the Master's character here, as Bulgakov in fact burned an early copy of The Master and Margarita for much the same reasons.

Re:If torture wasn't unreliable enough (2, Insightful)

MenTaLguY (5483) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482172)

Also known as "psychological torture".

Make 'm crazy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22482274)

You could be on the mark here. I mean; it takes one to make one, no? ;-)

Re:If torture wasn't unreliable enough (3, Funny)

Gat0r30y (957941) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482332)

The obvious use is of course to license the technology to Major League Baseball to tell everyone to buy more MLB merchandise (and of course for marketing research). You didn't think those congresional hearings were really about sterioids did you?

Re:If torture wasn't unreliable enough (4, Funny)

somersault (912633) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482550)

Either that or some jerk in the crowd could laser in "YOU SUCK!" just as the batter is about to swing .. and I thought laser pens at the cinema were annoying :s

Re:If torture wasn't unreliable enough (1)

RiotingPacifist (1228016) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482356)

well its not reliable enough at getting the answer's we want, this way they be told what to say in real time.
Just a matter of time till Guantanamo tourturees are up in court now, with a guy in a suit whispering at the back of the court.

Re:If torture wasn't unreliable enough (5, Funny)

palegray.net (1195047) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482392)

Why stop at beaming voices into their heads? We can achieve must more cooperation through the transmission of these fine symphonic works:
  • Britney Spears - Oops!...I Did It Again (can't stop playing these catchy tunes)
  • Bell Biv DeVoe - Poison (if you don't cooperate)
  • Blondie - I Touch Myself (with a loaded shotgun)
  • Backstreet Boys - I Want It That Way (we just want answers)

Re:If torture wasn't unreliable enough (3, Informative)

serialdogma (883470) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482764)

Blondie didn't do a "I Touch Myself" cover, the original song was done by Australian rock band the Divinyls.

Re:If torture wasn't unreliable enough (3, Interesting)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482424)

Torture isn't a reliable means to obtain information.
I see/hear this repeated whenever the subject of torture comes up... but I've never read a convincing explanation of why this would be the case. The standard arguments (e.g. "They'll say whatever you want to hear, just to make you stop") aren't particularly well reasoned - they don't really work unless you assume the torturer comes into the session knowing absolutely nothing related to the information they're trying to obtain.

FWIW I think torture is wrong, and should not be used just based on that fact. But I wonder if the parent statement has some actual basis in fact, or if it basically amounts to another wikiality.

Re:If torture wasn't unreliable enough (1)

CorSci81 (1007499) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482798)

Just from a guess, I'd say the "interviewers" probably tend to ask enough leading questions where in a state of panic you might make up something reasonably convincing but wrong. Or for legitimate suspects who are hardened to torture techniques they could still give mis-information based just enough on the truth to be believable.

Re:If torture wasn't unreliable enough (5, Insightful)

vux984 (928602) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482844)

but I've never read a convincing explanation of why this would be the case. The standard arguments (e.g. "They'll say whatever you want to hear, just to make you stop") aren't particularly well reasoned - they don't really work unless you assume the torturer comes into the session knowing absolutely nothing related to the information they're trying to obtain.

Suppose I planted some bombs and you caught me and demanded the information by torture. First I'd deny, then I'd lie, and presumably eventually I'd give up the locations and the city would be saved. hooray! right?

The trouble is -- what if you caught my completely innocent brother instead? You'd start in on him, and he deny. And deny. And then deny some more... but if you don't let up, he'll give up and start naming places. Of course there won't be any bombs there unless he's incredibly lucky-- but really you expected him to lie. So you torture him some more, and he'll come up with some new locations.

And all the information he'll give you will be unreliable. But he'll swear by his mothers grave its the truth everytime. until you come back tell him he lied and you want the real locations this time... and he'll come up with another set. You see? He'll just keep saying what you want to hear.

Now if you happen to know where the bombs are, and tell him to confirm it. He'll do that too. He'll jump at the chance. And admit to planning it. Buying the explosives, etc... whatever you tell him... he'll give it back to you.

And when you look at some of the information that's come from people who've been tortured. They rarely want anything so verifiable as the location of bombs... they want

a) you to confess to crimes that they'll outline for you
b) tell you name co-conspirators

In which case you eventually do both. Except if your innocent the people you name in b) are just going to be random friends and family and acquaintenaces etc... which is unverifiable... because they all deny it... unless you torture them too, of course.

The trouble with torture is ultimately there is no real way to tell the difference between some who is supressing information and someone who simply doesn't know. Either will deny knowing. And either will give you false information -- the former in defiance, the latter because that's all they've got, and you don't let up until they give you SOMETHING.

And if you know the information your getting is false, well.. they must be in defiance... so you just torture them some more.

Re:If torture wasn't unreliable enough (3, Insightful)

repapetilto (1219852) | more than 6 years ago | (#22483022)

Johnston: "It appears the intel was faulty again sir" Base Cmdr. Assertion Fallacy: "Well, then we obviously haven't tortured him enough have we"

Re:If torture wasn't unreliable enough (1)

the brown guy (1235418) | more than 6 years ago | (#22483048)

What's more reliable then convincing people that they know something even if they don't....could be worded better but basically if the US could just use a laser to put voices in John Doe's head telling him that he knows Al Qaeda was behing 9/11 then hey, time to invade Iraq.

I'm safe (2)

quakehead3 (988738) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482022)

Thanks to my tinfoil hat.

Re:I'm safe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22482230)

Hahaha! We're ahead of the times! We don't *NEED* lasers to hear voices in our head, do we? Hahaaha! What's that, Mother? Kill the evil slut in room 13? After I do the dishes, Mother. All good things come to those who wait.

Re:I'm safe (1)

Spetiam (671180) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482258)

Just make sure your tinfoil hat is extra shiny and reflective.

obligatory (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22482036)

what's the frequency, Kenneth?

Re:obligatory (5, Interesting)

spun (1352) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482188)

For those who don't know, or those who think it's just a reference to an R.E.M. song, read the story behind the song: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What's_the_Frequency,_Kenneth%3F [wikipedia.org]

Basically, some crazy dude beat the crap out of Dan Rather because he thought the networks were beaming voices into his head, and he thought Dan knew the frequency.

Do not look into mind control laser... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22482038)

... with remaining eye.


The report explained several types of non-lethal laser applications, including microwave hearing, disrupted neural control, and microwave heating.


I am guessing after a few seconds of having your head microwaved, the only voices you hear will be your own screams.

Finally! Help for Paranoid Schizophrenics! (5, Funny)

Fanro (130986) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482048)

We should use this awesome technologie to help guide ill people.

Especially Paranoid Schizophrenics. [theonion.com]

We can send them reassuring messages, like "you are not alone. we are there to get you (help)"

or warn them of imminent dangers, like which bus drivers hate them.

Voices (4, Funny)

jumpinp (1144189) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482060)

I knew I wasn't crazy.

Re:Voices (1)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482078)

Wait, does this mean I'm not crazy? :(

Re:Voices (2, Funny)

spun (1352) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482266)

Wait, does this mean I'm not crazy? :(
Well, what do the voices say?

Re:Voices (3, Funny)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482324)

You're just jealous because they only talk to me.

Re:Voices (1)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482434)

Well, what do the voices say?

The voices assure me that I'm completely batshit insane.

Okay, I feel better.

Re:Voices (2, Funny)

PPH (736903) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482660)

Well, what do the voices say?
"Heeeeere's Johnny!"

Re:Voices (2, Funny)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482938)

Well, what do the voices say?


"Gates is a God. Only Microsoft software is secure. The GPL is a plague upon the world."

Just the usual....

Re:Voices (1)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482420)

Who said that?

Re:Voices (2, Insightful)

thegiantsnail (1242598) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482880)

Philip K Dick. Hell yes. My exact thought when I read this, that pink laser of enlightenment.

Redefinition of "Negotiate" (1)

t33jster (1239616) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482062)

The report suggests the techniques could be useful for controlling crowds or in negotiations.
"Do what we say & we'll turn off the voices. Thank you for your continued cooperation."

Re:Redefinition of "Negotiate" (1)

Rei (128717) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482918)

"Buy lightspeed briefs."

Didn't we already know this? (1)

jadedoto (1242580) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482064)

Wasn't there a billboard in NYC that worked in a similar fashion just a few months ago?

Frey effect (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22482082)

re: Frey effect (1)

bouma (904871) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482832)

The widespread implementation of microwave technology and installation of microwave towers could have a more oppressive purpose. Mind control has been researched for decades, certainly by both america and russia.

Some people claim to be sensitive to electrical devices, although this has been shown to be psychosomatic in many properly conducted studies, this phenomenon might now provide a basis for some of their claims.

Anyone on /. should be familiar with the clicking buzzing noise, which appears before a mobile phone rings, induced in the cables or electronics of an amplified speaker. This is an everyday demonstration that a appropriately resonant device is quite capable of incidentally registering ubiquitous microwave communication signals.

It is not a massive leap to suggest that parts of the human ear might be sensitive to the motion due to thermal changes associated with a microwave signal. The question is are our governments already using this technology on the general population?

Someone's been reading Philip K. Dick (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22482084)

Valis, anyone?

Re:Someone's been reading Philip K. Dick (3, Funny)

Ruke (857276) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482298)

That's the same thing that popped into my head.

Danny's not here, Mrs. Torrance (1)

Glowing-Wind (786539) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482086)

Redrum! Redrum!

microwave negotiations (4, Interesting)

sssmashy (612587) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482098)

The microwave heating technique was tested on a Rhesus monkey, where a 225 MHz beam caused an increase in the animals body temperature. Depending on the dosage level, the temperature increase occurred within a time of 15 to 30 minutes. After the beam was removed, the animals body temperature decreased back to normal. The report suggests the technique could be useful for controlling crowds or in negotiations.

"What's that, you say? Getting a little hot in here? We'll get you a cool glass of water... but first, let's finish negotiating the terms of your unconditional surrender."

Wild Goose Chase (3, Funny)

prajjwal (965508) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482112)

Damn.. back when I had decided to investigate this, voices in my head kept telling me that it was a wild goose chase!

Re:Wild Goose Chase (4, Funny)

Architect_sasyr (938685) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482654)

Is this the appropriate time for a certain bash quote [bash.org] :

<ColdRage687> i used to think the brain was the most fascinating part of the body
<ColdRage687> but then i realized
<ColdRage687> pssssh
<ColdRage687> look whats telling me that

technologies using UHF waves (1)

repapetilto (1219852) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482164)

television broadcasts, microwave ovens, mobile phones, wireless LAN, Bluetooth, GPS and Two-Way Radios such as FRS and GMRS Radios. So I mean all of these can be randomly (or on purpose) interacting with the fluid inside your cochlea to make you hear things that aren't there throughout the day. Most of it probably gets filtered out as noise, but theres gotta be a couple of times each year each of us hears something that wasn't there due to this stuff. I still say its worth it, but damn thats weird.

Re:technologies using UHF waves (1)

repapetilto (1219852) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482476)

Also, this is really interesting considering this theory [membranes.nbi.dk]

pkd (5, Funny)

KrazeeEyezKilla (955150) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482174)

PHILIP K DICK WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG now we just have to wait for the pentagon to admit that we are living in the roman empire and that it's 79 AD

Long History (0, Offtopic)

pilsner.urquell (734632) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482192)

Yep, that wouldn't be the strangest thing DOD has done.

Obligatory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22482200)

I, for one, welcome our new light-based overlords.

Huh? (1)

arizwebfoot (1228544) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482218)

Does this mean I get to leave the Nut House and go home?

Oh wait, my home is the Nut House, but I'm out of tin foil.

If I cover my roof with tin foil, will the voices stop?

oblig (1)

PhasmatisApparatus (1086395) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482228)

Don't lase me, bro!

Re:oblig (1)

PhasmatisApparatus (1086395) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482290)

Do not listen to laser with remaining ear.

and I thought I had followed my heart... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22482248)

when something inside me kept telling me to have sex with him!

If You Have A Clear Shot.... (1)

LowlyWorm (966676) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482262)

Why negotiate? The article indicated the effects could be psychologically devastating. If that is true just use bullets. If you want them alive use a tazer or bean bags.

No tin-foil hat for me! (1)

Mesa MIke (1193721) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482286)

Nope.
It's gonna be a polished silver helmet!

An obvious practical application (4, Funny)

paulpach (798828) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482308)

There is an obvious application [coolest-gadgets.com] for this technology.

Not a laser. (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22482352)

Laser = light amplification by stimulated emission of radiation.
In the article they talk about using microwaves.

As far as I know there in no way to make a coherent beam of RF energy.
Or can it be done using a dipole aerial array like they use for radar?
It's still not light anyway.

Re:Not a laser. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22482528)

Not only is making a coherent beam of microwave RF possible, it predates the invention of the laser. [wikipedia.org]

Re:Not a laser. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22482768)

Ah thanks. I get it now. It's interesting that lasers were going to be called 'optical masers'. I thought you needed mirrors, which would not work with RF. Lots more ways to make a resonant cavity than I thought!

Re:Not a laser. (1)

19thNervousBreakdown (768619) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482538)

As far as I know there in no way to make a coherent beam of RF energy.

What do you think light is?

Old News + Kucinich Called it (4, Interesting)

Essron (231281) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482364)

see http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/10/AR2007011001399.html [washingtonpost.com]

you know, economically speaking it is inevitable these things will be researched, like chemical weapons (some of which turn you gay in the foxhole), pentagon contingency plans for aliens showing up and cheating with electronic voting. too much upside to ignore the possibility, or too ominous to not aggressively understand.

it does sound like an interesting line of research, no?

No Lasers (1)

John Hasler (414242) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482370)

The article is garbled (as usual) but none of the stuff discussed involves lasers.

Re:No Lasers (1)

repapetilto (1219852) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482446)

The article links to the actual memo released by the army about it, where they discuss the lasers

Re:No Lasers (1)

Dachannien (617929) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482620)

The article is garbled (as usual) but none of the stuff discussed involves lasers.
They might be using the code name "Alan Parsons Project".

Gay Bomb (2, Funny)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482372)

They can use this in conjunction with the "gay bomb" (hormone tweaker) they were working on. Now voices can say, "It's okay, don't feel guilty. He's cute, go for it!".

uncle sam's great idea (1)

alxkit (941262) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482378)

"lasers that put voices in your head"

yeah, that will come REAL useful during a negotiation with a crazy person.

Negotiations? (1)

esp_ex (148837) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482386)

From the article:

Another form of non-lethal torture described in the report is microwave heating. By raising the temperature of the body to 41C (105.8F), humans can experience sensations such as memory loss and disorientation... The report suggests the technique could be useful for controlling crowds or in negotiations.
So, what kind of "negotiation" is this is if you are causing memory loss and disorientation to the person you are "negotiating" with?

Lets change the date on the Roman Empire (0, Offtopic)

usul294 (1163169) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482432)

I love PKD as much as the next guy, but I think you're date where we are in terms of Roman Imperialism is on. To the extent of the status of our political system, look to the Reign of Sulla, a demagogue who confiscated all of the property of thousands of wealthy Romans (and killed them), and used the money to support social programs (gladiatorial games and bread, not to mention outfitting Sulla's house). This rhetoric seems similar to some of today's politics, especially with John Edwards, Barack Obama and Mike Huckabee. They all advocate punishing the rich and using the money on entitlements (Huckabee is more subtle, since he also happens to be in the party with higher-income voters). The weakness here is using the power of the mob to gain power for yourself. Once this happens, democracy will fail as leaders put their own pursuit of power above the good of the country. Forcing equality and happiness on everyone only destroys the ability of a nation to innovate. If there is any societal reason for our decline in intellectual capital, its that theres a huge government safety net that says "We're sorry textile workers who lose their jobs because they must get paid by law 100 times more than someone in Thailand, you shouldn't make an effort to learn new skills, the government will make sure you never have to know anything new after you turn 16." That's all ridiculous remember, having freedom means having the freedom to fail, the freedom to screw up your life, the freedom to be unsuccessful. Remember the lessons from Brave New World

Clarke knew (1)

earlymon (1116185) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482474)

As I recall, putting annoying sound - bad music? - directly into the brain was used to control the wrongful in Childhood's End.

Re:Clarke knew (1)

element-o.p. (939033) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482856)

Can't be bad music -- the RIAA would never allow someone to listen to their music without paying the royalty :P

Microsoft (2, Funny)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482480)

"Clippy followed me home from the office! Make it shut up, aaarrrrrrggghh!"

This seems familiar... (1)

k3nnyd (1154737) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482482)

I could of sworn I read about this in a Popular Mechanics/Science. I remember an article about a guy that made this exact thing. It was a laser device that you could point at someones head and transmit sound directly to them, resonating off their skull perhaps and only they hear it. People were talking of crazy applications for it like personalized advertising as you walked around a shopping mall or something. Rather invasive I'd say.

INWO (1)

bughunter (10093) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482486)

Why does the news these days sound more and more like a Steve Jackson game [wikipedia.org] ?

"In other news, the Bavarian Illuminati today used The Pentagon to make an attack to control The Orbital Mind Control Lasers, aided by the Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow. In response, the Gnomes of Zurich committed 3 Megabucks to interfere, which The Pentagon was unable to counter. The Pentagon then attempted to spend 5 Megabucks to make the attack Privileged, however The Discordian Society and Servants of Cthulhu objected, correctly, that this special ability must be asserted when first declaring the attack. The Bavarian Illuminati required a modified 7 or less to succeed in its attack, however, it rolled an eleven, automatically failing. On its next turn, Servants of Cthulhu successfully attacked to destroy the Orbital Mind Control Lasers, just for the hell of it. Joe Malik, NPR News, Washington."

How do we know they're not just fucking with us? (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22482494)

How hard would it be for some random Air Force flunky to classify a document referring to using lasers to put voices in people's heads, knowing that it would get declassified later?

And he's now off somewhere just laughing his ass off.

Re:How do we know they're not just fucking with us (1)

Slackhead (953613) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482702)

Yes I am!

VALIS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22482600)

See Philip K. Dick's VALIS.

What could it be? (1)

Moisteri (1082707) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482622)

Shh!! Can You hear that? I think it's those frikkin' sharks with frikkin' laser beams attached to their heads!!

military thought transmission (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22482652)

When I was in the military, those bastards would get right up in your face and say stuff right into your ear.

I guess it's true they're getting softer.

Joke all you want about this (1)

TheDarkener (198348) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482760)

But I think this is f*cking disgusting. How can anyone with a clear conscience develop this to control its own kind?

Oh wait, it's the DOD. They have no conscience.

I say again, this is f*cking disgusting.

Re:Joke all you want about this (1)

youthoftoday (975074) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482822)

Hear hear.

Negotiate? (1)

EdIII (1114411) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482782)

could be useful for controlling crowds or in negotiations
Really? How so? Sounds more like a tactic that could be used against a hostage taker to confuse or agitate him, but clearly not useful to conduct negotiations.

Negotiate implies a discussion between 2 parties to reach a mutually beneficial agreement. I don't see any part of a laser beam sending "voices" (plural would be even worse) into somebody else's head facilitating a discussion.

Now maybe taking this whole technology away from the menacing tones of the article, which is certainly implied by "controlling crowds", there might be very beneficial applications for the deaf, hearing impaired, etc. However, "negotiate" is still a bad word to use to communicate that possibility.

if you want declassifed info on this stuff (1)

solweil (1168955) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482824)

Check out the MKULTRA section of the Mind Control subsection of the documents at www.theblackvault.com There are thousands of pages on things like using drugs for brainwashing and electricity to induce hypnosis.

My new excuse! (1)

4D6963 (933028) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482840)

Sorry. The laser made me do it!

The voices where right.... (1)

Captain Arr Morgan (958312) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482862)

the government IS trying to control my thoughts.

Well at least we know what happened....... (3, Funny)

edwardpickman (965122) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482868)

in the 2000 and 2004 elections. Thought control lasers make more sense than the election results did.

another ghost in the shell reference (1)

garlicbready (846542) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482874)

It's kind of funny, but the first thing I thought of when seeing this
was the "brain phone" in ghost in the shell, whereby the persons voice can be heard inside the head
(now if we could just get it to be 2 way)

still, there's no telling what long term exposure would do
microwaved brain anyone?

Advertisers Are Already On To This (1)

Selfunfocused (1215732) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482878)

Ad campaigns are already projecting voices into our heads [wordpress.com] . The technology is slightly different, but the effect is the same.

PK Dick (1)

palaround (1242604) | more than 6 years ago | (#22482990)

Anyone read Valis?

Just like the movie "Inner Space". (1)

Neanderthal Ninny (1153369) | more than 6 years ago | (#22483078)

This reminds me about a hilarious scene in the movie "Inner Space" where Tuck Pendleton (played by Dennis Quaid) has miniaturized and now inside of Jack Putter (played by Martin Short) Tuck is trying talk by mean of special device and Jack starts to hear Tuck's voice inside of him and then screams "I'm possessed!".
The doctors says we can rule out demonic possession because demons talk through you and not to you.
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