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How to Convert Your HD-DVD Discs to Blu-Ray

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 6 years ago | from the but-what-about-how-to-do-it-on-linux dept.

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eldavojohn writes "Are you one of the few who boarded the HD-DVD Titanic ship headed to the bottom of ocean to join BetaMax? Fret no longer, friend, simply convert those and pretend like you never invested in the wrong technology! All you need is a Windows machine with a fast processor, an HD-DVD drive, a Blu-Ray burner, 30GB of free disk space, at least, though 40GB or more is recommended and an internet connection to download the software! Or you can sit and be the crazy guy who continues to argue that HD-DVD is the superior technology whether it's true or not."

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Get a pen (5, Funny)

CRCulver (715279) | more than 6 years ago | (#22493568)

This green marker I just bought at an audiophile shop for only a couple of hundred dollars (it was on sale!) is said to not only convert HD-DVD to Blu-Ray, but straighten the bits out so that my Dolby Surround sounds truly true-to-life. Now it's time to try it out.

Re:Get a pen (5, Funny)

llZENll (545605) | more than 6 years ago | (#22494614)

I can suggest another awesome upgrade, this $1700 power cable http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=PSPREPC&variation=2.0 [audioadvisor.com] , upgrade that normal power cable which powers your player and experience true video and audio nirvana, it really does work! Never mind the 500ft of unshielded romex inside your wall, its truley the last 6ft of power cord that does make the difference you will see and hear!

Seriously if I ever see one of these in real life that someone has bought I will bitchslap them.

Re:Get a pen (5, Funny)

NC-17 (411446) | more than 6 years ago | (#22494736)

Brilliant pebbles. http://machinadynamica.com/machina31.htm [machinadynamica.com]

Also, codename turquoise. http://machinadynamica.com/machina34.htm [machinadynamica.com]

Yeah... Get out your bitchslapping hand.

Re:Get a pen (1)

Brian Gordon (987471) | more than 6 years ago | (#22494998)

(the product is blue construction paper that you cut out and glue to the cd tray)

Normally, it is a somewhat laid back player. Not anymore. The music is so very much more alive, with detail now more up there with the rest of the music, making for a powerful and dynamic listening experience. I also feared that cutting the paper to fit would be a difficult job. Wrong again! I just had to experiment with laying the pieces on the tray in various ways then I knew what to do. Thanks so much for this incredible improvement! If I hadn't heard it myself I'd have thought it impossible. I've long known stray laser light was a problem but never did I imagine that so much comes off the cd tray.
I think.. I think I want to cry. Pardon me-

Re:Get a pen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22495298)

The joke went over your head. This site *satirizes* $1700 power cable "audiophiles."

Re:Get a pen (1)

xaxa (988988) | more than 6 years ago | (#22495478)

I like this bit:

Removable Ground Pin
The ground pin on a power cable is there to tie the ground of the AC receptacle to your equipment. However, in some cases, this ground pin can cause a ground loop and introduce hum and buzz in your system. AV enthusiasts often use an inexpensive three-prong-to-two-prong adapter 'cheater plug' to solve this problem and break the ground loop. Unfortunately, this adapter ruins many of the benefits of a high-end power cable like the xStream.
PS engineers invented a better way. Their elegant solution is incredibly user friendly. They added a screw-in ground pin. Normally, you would leave this alone. Should your system have a ground loop problem that is causing hum or buzz in the loudspeakers, however, simply unscrew the ground pin of the xStream and the buzz is gone. Nothing could be easier, and this approach preserves the integrity of the xStream and its connection to your AC power source.


If there's a buzz because of the ground pin, would that mean the equipment is unsafe? Probably because of the $400 wooden control knob mod going wrong.

Re:Get a pen (1)

cmacb (547347) | more than 6 years ago | (#22495568)

Can't you just put them in the microwave and achieve the same results quicker?

So, at what point I wonder does Microsoft announce another version of the XBox? Or are they all already too broken from overheating for anyone to care?

This... news... why? (3, Funny)

wattrlz (1162603) | more than 6 years ago | (#22493572)

I seem to recall it was possible to dub your beta tapes to vhs back in the day too.

On the ones without Macrovision DRM (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22494240)

Ofcourse you could only do that because Macrovision DRM wasn't on Betamax tapes... I seem to remember something about HD-DVD being encrypted with DRM.... Of course anyone who reads slashdot knows that HD-DVD has already been cracked....

Oh is that all (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22493584)

Well as long as thats ALL you need.

I dont have price quotes and I'm too lazy to look them up but I'm pretty sure that Blu-Ray burners run about $500. I have no idea how much an HD-DVD ROM drive would go for, probably pretty reasonable now that its a defunct format.

So unless you bought a copy of every HD-DVD that is out I dont think this is cost effective.

Re:Oh is that all (1)

Brian Gordon (987471) | more than 6 years ago | (#22493668)

Or just rip the disks and compress them..

Re:Oh is that all (4, Insightful)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 6 years ago | (#22493696)

And don't forget that the blank BD media only runs about $15-25 a piece, too. That coupled with the hardware costs for the drives means you'll probably average about $30-40 a pop to replace a $25 disc. Good deal!

Re:Oh is that all (4, Informative)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 6 years ago | (#22494652)

That's what I thought... unless you've shelled out for 100s of movies, wouldn't it be just more sensible (both financially and time-wise) to sell off your HD-DVD discs (and player) and rebuy them in Blu-Ray format? (The cost of the BR player doesn't count, as you'd have to buy one to watch transferred discs anyway).

Or better still, since their value is already gone, sit back and happily watch your worthless HD-DVD discs like you would have done anyway. Replace them in a couple of years time when the current Blu Ray releases have come down in price substantially.

Sounds better than shelling out for expensive blanks (and a burner, if you wouldn't have been buying one otherwise), especially when you're probably going to have to compress the film down to fit on a single-layer Blu Ray.

Re:Oh is that all (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22495202)

Who's going to BUY HD-DVDs? They're todays CRT monitors (which are still selling for 1/100th of their RRP on ebay).

Re:Oh is that all (4, Interesting)

esocid (946821) | more than 6 years ago | (#22493742)

From newegg.com:
HD-DVD drive: US$149.99
Blu-ray DVD burner: US$259.99
Blu-ray DVD: 1xUS$13.99
To a grand total of US$423.97
unless you want to burn more than one DVD. Seems a bit much.

Re:Oh is that all (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22493914)

I'm a little surprised that the Blu-Ray burners have gone down that much but If you wait and look on eBay you can probably get a HD-DVD drive cheaper as people start unloading them

Re:Oh is that all (5, Funny)

allawalla (1030240) | more than 6 years ago | (#22493950)

From newegg.com: HD-DVD drive: US$149.99 Blu-ray DVD burner: US$259.99 Blu-ray DVD: 1xUS$13.99 To a grand total of US$423.97
Being glad that you waited until the format war was over: Priceless

Re:Oh is that all (-1, Redundant)

VGPowerlord (621254) | more than 6 years ago | (#22495334)

For everything else, there's Mastercard.

Which model? (1)

KingSkippus (799657) | more than 6 years ago | (#22494444)

From newegg.com:
Blu-ray DVD burner: US$259.99

Which model is that? The cheapest model I see [newegg.com] is $355.

Its probably (1)

ArchieBunker (132337) | more than 6 years ago | (#22494790)

Its probably a combo drive like the dvd-cdr/w drives that could burn cds and only read dvds.

Re:Oh is that all (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22494862)

While I agree that the total cost and the time that needs to be invested is to high for most people you can get a Blu-Ray burner that can read HD-DVD for 230 (20% sales tax included). So the total cost should be about 300$ for someone living in the us.

If I have an HD-DVD drive. . . (4, Insightful)

JSBiff (87824) | more than 6 years ago | (#22493930)

Why the heck would I bother to convert the discs anyway? If I've got the hardware to watch the disc. . . why not just watch it in the native format? I mean, I guess if you have irreplaceable home videos (or you are an independent media producer) which are burned to an HD-DVD disc, and those are the *only* remaining extant copies of the video, you might do something like this.

But for most users, why bother converting? Just keep watching it on your current player.

Re:If I have an HD-DVD drive. . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22494552)

If blank media weren't as expensive as replacing the titles you bought, it'd be a good idea. Your current player (being one of the first models) is going to crap out before long, and they aren't going to be making replacements for it.

HD-DVD (0, Troll)

Sciros (986030) | more than 6 years ago | (#22493600)

Is teh superior technology!!1! Now excuse me while I sit.

Sincerely,
Nutty McCrazy

Steep Price Indeed! (4, Insightful)

milsoRgen (1016505) | more than 6 years ago | (#22493608)

All you need is a Windows machine with a fast processor, an HD-DVD drive, a Blu-Ray burner, 30GB of free disk space, at least, though 40GB or more is recommended and an internet connection to download the software!
What about those of us that have HD-DVD drives in our home theater? The cost of a processor that would do this in a timely fashion, is no laughing matter. Plus an HD-DVD drive, plus a Blu-Ray burner? You're kidding right. If you had all that equipment to begin with, I'm pretty sure you already knew what to do in order to convert your discs. Sheesh!

Re:Steep Price Indeed! (4, Interesting)

rworne (538610) | more than 6 years ago | (#22494270)

What about those of us that have HD-DVD drives in our home theater? The cost of a processor that would do this in a timely fashion, is no laughing matter. Plus an HD-DVD drive, plus a Blu-Ray burner? You're kidding right. If you had all that equipment to begin with, I'm pretty sure you already knew what to do in order to convert your discs. Sheesh!
You can do it with one unit. There is a combo HD-DVD/BDR drive available for PCs.

LG GGW-H20L [lge.com]

It's only one drive, so you'd have to rip & reburn.

Re:Steep Price Indeed! (4, Insightful)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 6 years ago | (#22494682)

I didn't RTFA, but how fast a processor do you really need? You shouldn't need to recompress, since BD and HD-DVD both support the same formats, all you need to do is strip the DRM. That shouldn't be more CPU-intensive than playing the DRM'd file, and if you can play a HD-DVD in realtime on a moderately fast CPU, including decoding the VC-1 / H.264 decoding on top of the DRM decoding then you should definitely be able to copy it, removing the DRM, in 2x realtime which is as fast as the cheapest blank BD media I can find support...

Re:Steep Price Indeed! (1)

milsoRgen (1016505) | more than 6 years ago | (#22494860)

That shouldn't be more CPU-intensive than playing the DRM'd file
Playback does in fact require rather intensive use of your cpu and/or video card. And it should be noted that most people with stand alone HD drives are home theater enthusiasts, not necessarily very PC literate. They are the ones that would need a conversion most, yet also be the least likely to have the hardware on their home machine. But this is all moot, really just go out and buy new copies.

Re:Steep Price Indeed! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22494700)

If you have an HD-DVD drive and HD-DVD movies to play on it... Why would you need to convert them?

Re:Steep Price Indeed! (1)

m50d (797211) | more than 6 years ago | (#22494836)

Surely you don't need to do any transcoding, since the codecs for both formats are the same, so processor power isn't an issue.

Re:Steep Price Indeed! (1)

jedimasta (854265) | more than 6 years ago | (#22495300)

The cost of a new player and replacing your HD copies by actually purchasing the blu-ray version easily gets dwarfed by the suggested 'conversion' process.

Riiiiiiight (2, Insightful)

Serenissima (1210562) | more than 6 years ago | (#22493612)

Spend hundreds of dollars and hours of processing time and frustration. Or spend 30 bucks and buy the movie again...
Hmmmm.... tough decision.

Re:Riiiiiiight (2, Insightful)

Actually, I do RTFA (1058596) | more than 6 years ago | (#22493778)

Spend hundreds of dollars and hours of processing time and frustration. Or spend 30 bucks and buy the movie again...

Or spend nothing and leave your HD-DVD drive plugged into your home theater, bitching occasionally about the extra remote. Or, have an HD-DVD drive that also is a regular DVD drive (or is plugged into your 360) and don't even have the extra remote. Seriously, why would I someone arbitarily deciding HD-DVD was bad impact me. Now that HD-DVD is "dead", I'm thinking about getting a player and some movies, if they are cheap enough.

Re:Riiiiiiight (0)

KingSkippus (799657) | more than 6 years ago | (#22494374)

Spend hundreds of dollars and hours of processing time and frustration. Or spend 30 bucks and buy the movie again... Hmmmm.... tough decision.

I'd rather spend hundreds of dollars than to give the MPAA 30 bucks by buying the same movie over and over.

Fortunately, it's a moot point. I have partaken of neither the HD-DVD nor the Blu-ray Kool-Aid, and I don't plan to in the foreseeable future.

Money (3, Insightful)

fishybell (516991) | more than 6 years ago | (#22493620)

Wow, so if don't to spend a few hundred repurchasing your movies, just several hundred (possibly thousand according to TFA) on hardware and software instead.


I'm sorry, but HD-DVD users are just plain outta luck. Next time, join the rest of us and just wait.

Re:Money (5, Insightful)

Professor_UNIX (867045) | more than 6 years ago | (#22493848)

I'm sorry, but HD-DVD users are just plain outta luck. Next time, join the rest of us and just wait.
That doesn't seem right though. Since you're just purchasing a license to the movie, why can't you mail your HD-DVD discs back to the manufacturer and have them be exchanged for a Blu-Ray copy of the same movie (if available) for a nominal fee (say, $5 plus reasonable shipping and handling)? Perhaps Congress needs to get involved and sort this mess out so HD-DVD users don't get screwed out of their investment... it certainly adversely affects lives more than steroid using baseball players or the war in Iraq. Write your Congressman today and demand an HD-DVD exchange program be setup immediately!!!

Re:Money (1)

longacre (1090157) | more than 6 years ago | (#22493980)

I, for one, have met more professional baseball players and Iraq veterans than I have HD DVD owners.

Re:Money (3, Funny)

DrgnDancer (137700) | more than 6 years ago | (#22495578)

Me too. Of course I spent a year in Iraq meeting thousands of Iraq Veterans.

Re:Money (4, Insightful)

Trogre (513942) | more than 6 years ago | (#22494222)

...adversely affects lives? Are you kidding? These are just movies!

Re:Money (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22495528)

Couldn't you make the same argument that "it's just baseball"?

Re:Money (4, Insightful)

llZENll (545605) | more than 6 years ago | (#22494470)

"Perhaps Congress needs to get involved and sort this mess out so HD-DVD users don't get screwed out of their investment"

Yes, I would much rather have Congress dealing with peoples HD-DVD issues than the economic toilet our country is in, the war, oil, or about a 1000 other more important issues.

HD-DVD users are not screwed in the slightest, they knew what they were getting into, and even so, getting a new disc format isn't going to jack squat for them. They can watch their HD-DVD discs on their HD-DVD player for the rest of thier lives just fine, how is getting a Bluray disc of the same movie going to help them when they don't even have a Bluray player?

It's not about what's right, it's about $$$ (2, Insightful)

JonTurner (178845) | more than 6 years ago | (#22494578)

>That doesn't seem right though.

We're talking about the MAFIAA and you expect what's right? (I'm chuckling even while I write this.) I hate to be the one to break the bad news to you, Grasshopper, but you have discovered the ugly core of the media industry. It has nothing to do with what is right. It's not about Art. It is all about squeezing as much money as possible out you as possible. And if you think your congresscritter is going to do otherwise, then I applaud your pure heart, but feel compelled to tell you that unless you have more money than Hollywood with which to bribe^h^h^h^h^hlobby, you (we?) don't have a chance.

Re:Money (5, Insightful)

thelexx (237096) | more than 6 years ago | (#22494764)

Back in the mid-80's, I did just that with some game software when I went from a C64 to an Atari ST. Can't remember if it was Origin or SSI, think it was one of those though. And IIRC, all I had to send them was the front page of the manual. You would probably get laughed at today.

Re:Money (1)

brouski (827510) | more than 6 years ago | (#22494782)

This is snark, right? Are you under the impression that your HD-DVD discs will self-destruct as a result of this announcement?

Re:Money (4, Insightful)

RetardsForRonPaul (1175873) | more than 6 years ago | (#22494784)

I'd rather have Congress repeal the DMCA so decrypting the HD-DVDs I own isn't a crime.

Re:Money (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 6 years ago | (#22494808)

Sod off.

I'm about as socialist as anyone can get, but even I know this is child abuse. Seriously, HDDVD buyers knew what they were getting into. it's no secret that there was a format war, and that HDDVD might not be sold anymore. it's not like DiVX where once the servers go offline, the discs are nearly useless.

Re:Money (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22494972)

Buying consumer electronics devices is very rarely an investment, so please stop this crap of calling all purchases an "investment". Buying a real estate property can by an investment if you're a good flipper, or in it for the long haul. Crap for the home, no bloody chance!

Bought an HD-DVD player for $400-800? Now worth $50 if you're lucky. That's a hell of a return rate. Even if the blu-ray consortium said "bollox, we can't be bothered anymore", that HD-DVD player would still only have a resale cost of $120, if that. Still not an investment is it?

HD-DVD buyers gambled, they lost. Tough shit, get over it, it's a fscking media player. Any sensible movie buff will probably stock up on the movies that'll soon by $5 each, and enjoy a rather nice library of titles for very little outlay.

Re:Money (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22495172)

Off topic clarfication (flame bait):

it certainly adversely affects lives more than .... the war in Iraq.

I think the parent would like to qualify that he/she meant: it certainly affects more middle class american lives than the war in Iraq...

Re:Money (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22495378)

Why can't you just send it back? Because HD was owned by Toshiba, and BluRay owned by Sony... Sony doesnt give two chits about whether or not you bought a competators product... Now they sit back and get fat on the money that they would've made if the movie companies would've sided with them in the first place.

Or (4, Insightful)

RetroRichie (259581) | more than 6 years ago | (#22493630)

Or you could just keep your HD DVD player.

Re:Or (5, Funny)

nomadic (141991) | more than 6 years ago | (#22494874)

Or you could just keep your HD DVD player.

That's so crazy it just might work!

Kind of worthless? (2, Insightful)

aikouka (932902) | more than 6 years ago | (#22493640)

Even as it states in the originating Wired DIY Wiki page, "Also, consider just buying the movie new: a blank Blu-Ray disc is from $15-$25 for write-once media." (Note that we are also not considering the money for the BR burner).

Now, I'm no studio exec, but the chances that a studio will re-release in Blu-Ray or put out old Blu-Ray versions (movies such as Shooter that were pulled from Blu-Ray once Paramount went HD-DVD exclusive) is fairly decent. This sounds like a huge time and money sink to me and for my HD-DVD movies? I'd rather just wait until they come out on Blu-Ray to buy them again.

Re:Kind of worthless? (3, Insightful)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 6 years ago | (#22494188)

Yeah, but part of it is the principal of the thing. The real reason behind DRM isn't an attempt to stop piracy, it's a way to get you to purchase the same content over and over again. I am more than willing to pay a fair price for music/movies, but I am only willing to pay it ONCE. After scratching up a couple of DVDs(and losing a whole season of the Simpsons) I finally decided to rip all my dvds with handbrake and store them on an external drive(backed up and streamed over my airport express). First and foremost its more convenient as I can just pick up my Apple remote and watch any movie/tv show I feel like(of course Apple gimped front row but that is another rant) Secondly unless there is a fire(in which case insurance will cover the cost of the dvds anyway) I won't have to repurchase any dvd because it got scratched or lost when I moved etc.

I abjectly refuse to buy any media more than once, its the game they have played since there was more than 1 media choice out there, and that cash cow has got to stop.

Beta -- VHS can haz plx? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22493646)

Joy! Next I'll be able to buy some magic pixie dust that'll let me convert Beta to VHS! Yes!

That sounds Expensive (3, Insightful)

imstanny (722685) | more than 6 years ago | (#22493652)

Unless you have a vast HD-DVD collection, getting a Blu-Ray burner, blu ray dvd media, as well as the time investing into converting it's likely not worth it. I think it'd be cheaper to setup a stream from your HD capable computer to your TV...

Re:That sounds Expensive (1)

llZENll (545605) | more than 6 years ago | (#22494684)

At $20 per blank bluray disc and a shitload of wasted time, I think you are better off just buying the movie again. I think the OP is a joke.

Blu-ray Disc uses region coding (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#22495120)

At $20 per blank bluray disc and a shitload of wasted time, I think you are better off just buying the movie again. I think the OP is a joke.
That is, if the movie is available on Blu-ray Disc in your region [wikipedia.org] . And unlike HD DVD, BD doesn't offer the option of not using AACS copy prevention, and I've read that a lot of especially smaller studios can't get AACS licenses.

Just because you bought Blu-Ray... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22493670)

...Doesn't mean you didn't invest in the wrong technology. Unless you bought a PS3, that is. All other Blu-Ray lite (tm) Profile 1.x devices (which means everything else) are as good as a motherboard with ISA slots. Doesn't matter if that motherboard has a 3 trillion Ghz CPU on it if it only works with last year's (okay, decade's) stuff.

It'll take time, but this is the Achilles heel of Blu-Ray, and will eventually continue the legacy of Sony developed media standards taking off like a lead balloon.

Re:Just because you bought Blu-Ray... (1)

blugu64 (633729) | more than 6 years ago | (#22494042)

Could you explain this a bit more?

Re:Just because you bought Blu-Ray... (1)

Sangui (1128165) | more than 6 years ago | (#22494340)

There's different Blu Ray profiles. 1.0/1.1 is what was originally released. Profile 2.0 makes some things that were optional in 1.x mandatory. More ram, better processor, etc so the players can accommodate the newer disks that have more features. The older one's don't have the processing power to keep up. The PS3 does, and can be updated with just a firmware update. And to the GP: I present to you the floppy disk, the compact disk, and the fact betamax was still used commercially until recently. Sony wins them just as often as they lose them.

Betamax != Betacam (1, Flamebait)

Pope (17780) | more than 6 years ago | (#22494608)

For fuck's sake, get it right! They're two completely different things.

What's the point? (4, Insightful)

Kuukai (865890) | more than 6 years ago | (#22493680)

TFA doesn't mention if these will play on a standalone Blu-Ray player or what. It seems pointless unless you really want to throw away your old (new) HD-DVD drive...

Re:What's the point? (4, Insightful)

vanyel (28049) | more than 6 years ago | (#22494246)

There weren't enough interesting titles released on HD-DVD to make it worth the time, I'll just go buy the 2 discs again when they come out in Blu-Ray.

Re:What's the point? (2, Informative)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 6 years ago | (#22495544)

TFA doesn't mention if these will play on a standalone Blu-Ray player or what. It seems pointless unless you really want to throw away your old (new) HD-DVD drive...


Well, just make sure you use the BDAV profile (the "dumb" collection-of-videos mode).

Only BDMV (mastered movies) discs are an issue in playing back in standalone machines. Since you're not supposed to be mastering these except to test before pressing, you shouldn't have an issue.

Unless your standalone player supports BDMV on writable BDs.

Or... (1)

Anonymous User 2000 (597007) | more than 6 years ago | (#22493706)

Since at least 90% of early HD-DVD adopters probably don't have all the necessary hardware to do this conversion, and the time and money involved, especially considering blu-ray media costs, is at least eqaul to buying the movie, maybe it would make sense to continue to watch your HD-DVD movies on your HD-DVD player or just buy the movie on blu-ray if you like it that much.

Yeah, Yeah, you shouldn't have to buy the same movie twice. That is the cost of being an early adopter.

Linux? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22493720)

So how do you do this on Linux?

TOTALLY WORTH IT! (2)

aliatgb (997100) | more than 6 years ago | (#22493738)

With the cost of blank Bluray disks and assuming you have BOTH a HD DVD and Blu ray drive in your computer you might as well just re-buy your movies on bluray when they come out, if not out already.

Too expensive (0, Redundant)

statemachine (840641) | more than 6 years ago | (#22493816)

Several hundred dollars just to convert. Unless one has 30 or so HD-DVDs, I recommend just buying the Blu-Ray versions and saving money.

Or one could just rip them to a hard drive and store them that way, but even then that costs money for the HD-DVD disk drive and the software (if one purchases it) -- around $200.

And what's your time worth?

Re:Too expensive (2, Interesting)

linzeal (197905) | more than 6 years ago | (#22493850)

Or just keep the HD-DVD player? Is that an option?

Re:Too expensive (2, Interesting)

statemachine (840641) | more than 6 years ago | (#22493974)

Or just keep the HD-DVD player? Is that an option?

Well, sure. Do nothing is always an option. But I thought the topic was about converting, and if not Blu-Ray, then to a format that one can deal with later.

Some might want Blu-Ray versions instead for different special features, for the better menuing/title system, or just for the higher maximum bitrates (quality).

I suppose the thread could also be re-done as "How to convert to Blu-Ray if that title is not available in Blu-Ray format" but of all the titles I've seen, I don't think this will be a problem (take that as you wish).

Re:Too expensive (1)

Dachannien (617929) | more than 6 years ago | (#22495084)

Or just keep the HD-DVD player? Is that an option?
I'm sure there's some sort of DRM in there that will cause it to self-destruct in dramatic fashion upon the MPAA's whim.

"Muahahahaha! Repurchase all your media yet again on Blu-Ray! Muahahaha!" **FOOM**

Re:Too expensive (1)

JSBiff (87824) | more than 6 years ago | (#22494134)

If the cost of the blank BR media ever comes down to a reasonable level (2 dollars or less), it *might* make sense to setup a side-business doing this (if it's legal - not sure how copyright might interfere with this idea). That is, as most people are pointing out, it doesn't make sense, economically, for everyone in the world who has HD-DVD's to buy all the gear to do this.

However, if it's legal, it might make sense as the neighborhood geek to offer a service where people drop off their disc and $5 to cover the blank media and to give you a modest profit on the service, and they pick up the original disc and the blu-ray copy the next day. Again, blank media is way too expensive to make this worth while right now. Or places like Walmart, camera shops, etc could offer this as a service (again, going on the economies of scale that it doesn't make sense for individuals to buy all the gear, but walmart could have one automated station in their photo department (similar to those Kodak digital printer stations) that you pop the hd-dvd into and out pops a blu-ray disc 10 or 20 minutes later.

But, I suspect there's not enough people out there who even have HD-DVD discs to make this a worthwhile market for a company as big as Walmart.

Re:Too expensive (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 6 years ago | (#22494758)

Do you not expect BD burners and media to come down in price? They are around where DVDs were in 2000 in terms of price now. In a few years, media will be under $1 and drives will be standard on any computer. If your HD-DVD player doesn't give out before then, it's a good migration path.

Re:Too expensive (1)

statemachine (840641) | more than 6 years ago | (#22495190)

Do you not expect BD burners and media to come down in price?

I do. But as you say:

In a few years

I thought we were talking about right now?

The article linked in the submission talked about right now. Otherwise, it's the "do nothing" or "sit and wait" strategy. As I said in another post, maybe the better article would be about re-dubbing titles that won't be available on Blu-Ray (except I don't see that being an issue).

Another person mentioned a service could re-dub for people, but not until the cost of disks went down to $2 or so.

The only good thing about the article is the "coolness" factor of being able to do it. But I'm guessing that once you told your friends how much it cost, your friends might question your sanity.

Why Convert? (1)

_bug_ (112702) | more than 6 years ago | (#22493818)

If you've got HD DVDs then it seems quite logical you already own the hardware to play HD DVDs. And now that HD DVD is "dead", who will want to buy your used hardware? So if the hardware isn't going away any time soon, and you've got the HD DVDs, why bother with conversion?

Perhaps 20 years from now when that HD DVD player dies you might wish to take these steps to convert your discs to a format that's playable on your Blu-ray drive, but by then we'll probably be on yet another format and the whole process will be pointless.

It'd be nice to see HD DVD producers setup some sort of exchange program where you can turn in your HD DVD disc for a Blu-ray equivalent. Probably won't happen though.

Re:Why Convert? (2, Insightful)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 6 years ago | (#22494082)

Actually, now that it is dead its probably the perfect time to pick up some movies if you already have the hardware since there are going to be some serious fire sales....

Re:Why Convert? (1)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 6 years ago | (#22494084)

Ditto. And another thing: A blank Blu-ray disc costs around the same as a new movie right now.

Oh, and while the formats are comparable, to the point you can probably perform a lossless conversion between the two if you have the right code, the article, in its reliance on off-the-shelf tools, requires that you transcode the video from HD DVD spec AVC/etc to Blu-ray spec. So it's lossy. Probably not very lossy given the same information will be thrown away each time, but lossy nonetheless. Great.

And you'll lose the special features. Did I mention that? Right now, until BD Live comes along, HD DVD is actually superior in terms of what can be done with it. PIP, that kind of thing. So your transcoded blank Blu-ray disc, which may or may not work in your BD player (because many players just don't take recordable media), will definitely, absolutely, not have everything that the HD DVD disc had.

At this point, I'd suggest the people putting together this guide are idiots. If you really, really, cannot for a moment countenance the idea of having a player for an absolute format sitting in plain view in your living room, then there are several alternatives.

The low, low, tech way is to place a sticker over the "HD" part of "HD DVD" on your player, so you don't have to suffer the shame of people coming over and saying "*snort* I saw *snuck-snuck* HD DVD is obsolete, wierdo! *snuck*", they'll just go "*snort* *snuk* That DVD player's huge, when was it made, 2007? *snuk*"

The High, high, tech way is to remove both your Blu-ray and HD DVD player from the living room, rip your movies to a huge hard disk using the tools described in the article, and then use a media PC to actually play them. And if you're the kind of person who'd take that stupid Wired article seriously in the first place, you'll do that. Your media PC will also have a DVR on it, and in the long term you might even find a way of watching streaming movies on the thing.

In other news, Squiggleslash's HD DVD player still works. It still plays all my HD DVD media. The movies still look great. And, boy, am I looking forward to the blow-out sales over the next few months. How much is a Blu-ray player these days? $400? I don't see any great need to blow chunks of cash on being fashionable right now.

Re:Why Convert? (1)

illumin8 (148082) | more than 6 years ago | (#22494364)

In other news, Squiggleslash's HD DVD player still works. It still plays all my HD DVD media. The movies still look great. And, boy, am I looking forward to the blow-out sales over the next few months.
Wow, you must be kinda bitter that you picked the wrong choice in a format war. Seriously, why even consider buying HD-DVD movies, unless they are absolutely free right now? Even if it's only $5, you're still buying an obsolete format that you won't even be able to find a player for in a few years.

Re:Why Convert? (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 6 years ago | (#22494842)

You can still buy Laserdisc players very cheaply on eBay. In a few years, you will probably be able to pick up HD-DVD players and a collection of films very cheaply. If you watch films in a home cinema type setup, and don't care about laptop compatibility, HD-DVD will be a good way of getting a large collection of HD movies in the near future. I'm still tempted to pick up a Laserdisc player and a load of movies on eBay - collections tend to go for under $2 per disc, and there's something fun about those huge optical frisbees.

Re:Why Convert? (1)

log0n (18224) | more than 6 years ago | (#22494132)

20 years of player life? Most of my (pricey - relatively high end) DVD players only last about 13-15 months before needing replacement due to the player failing completely.

Did I miss something? (0, Redundant)

koblek (642650) | more than 6 years ago | (#22493828)

If said user has all these HD-DVD's they need to convert to Bluray, I would assume that some time in the past they purchased an HD-DVD player to play said HD-DVD's. Why not just go on using the HD-DVD player?

Or... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22493872)

you can just rip/convert them to your HD where they will be in a format that doesn't disappear in a year when they find out no one actually cares about a next-gen DVD format.

Think I'm wrong? The poll says otherwise. [slashdot.org]

Sony's got you covered! (5, Funny)

Sabz5150 (1230938) | more than 6 years ago | (#22493972)

Convert your HD-DVDs to Blu-Ray for 24.99 each. They'll even throw in a sleek blue case and an insert sheet!

Not for all titles (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#22495184)

Convert your HD-DVDs to Blu-Ray for 24.99 each. They'll even throw in a sleek blue case and an insert sheet!
Does it work with Paramount or Universal titles? Or is that covered under some deal between Sony, which owns Columbia Pictures, and BMG, which owns Columbia House?

I don't understand why you would even need to (5, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 6 years ago | (#22494194)

Why would you need to do this when you presumably already on a HD-DVD player. It's not like your HD-DVD player is going to just turn into a pumpkin at midnight tonight and stop playing your HD-DVD's. And, even if it did ever break, it would be MUCH cheaper and easier to just buy a used HD-DVD player (you can get the Xbox 360 add-on for $130 new) than to go to the huge hassle and expense of converting them to blu-ray.

Who exactly is this article meant for? Some fictional person with a buttload of HD-DVD's but no HD-DVD player or goddamn sense?!?

Re:I don't understand why you would even need to (2, Funny)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 6 years ago | (#22494870)

It's not like your HD-DVD player is going to just turn into a pumpkin at midnight tonight and stop playing your HD-DVD's.
I think that's because the HD-DVD players lack network connections.

I have it on good authority that Sony are going to send the "convert to pumpkin" firmware upgrade to all networked PS3s this coming Monday.

Re:I don't understand why you would even need to (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22495218)

actually no, every HD-DVD player (except the Xbox 360 one) has a ethernet jack on the back. It's part of the standard. Blu-Ray on the other hand, the PS3 is the only one upgradable at the moment, so any non-PS3 blu-ray player out there can't support all the extra features of profile 1.1 (aka, copying the internet features of HD-DVD players)

Re:I don't understand why you would even need to (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22495546)

On many TV sets, HDMI ports are still at a premium. Would you rather swap the connections at the back of your set or buy an HDMI switch (not cheap) when you want to use your HD-DVD player?

Feasibility (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22494450)

Maybe in a few years this will be worth doing. When the prices of all of these components, except for perhaps the HD-DVD drive for your computer, will be much lower.

Am I the only one... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22494800)

who is thinking of buying everyone else's cheap HD-DVDs?
I'll just keep my player, and get a PS3 or HD-DVD Compatible Blu-Ray player when the time comes.

Heck, maybe I'll just have 2 Xbox 360 add-on drives, once they come out with the Blu-Ray one.

So I can convert to HD-VMD too? (1)

punterjoe (743063) | more than 6 years ago | (#22494922)

Let's not forget the little format that could...
This could be a handy way to convert HD & BR to the REAL future of HiDef. ;)

Burning to Blu doesn't make sense .... (4, Interesting)

steppin_razor_LA (236684) | more than 6 years ago | (#22494946)

Given the cost of blank media (not to mention the burners), it doesn't make sense to convert your HDDVDs to BluRay. Assuming you have a computer connected to your TV, I'd propose instead ripping the DVDs to a HD (or storage array). You can connect a 360 HDDVD drive to a computer and do this.

You can get a 500GB disk for ~$100. This will hold ~25 movies and will probably provide a superior playback experience (i.e. no need to swap out disks).

Eventually HD prices as well as BluRay optical media prices will drop ...

Why bother? (2, Insightful)

el_chupanegre (1052384) | more than 6 years ago | (#22495046)

Wait, if you need both a HD-DVD and BluRay drive to do this, why exactly do you need to bother? It isn't like your HD-DVD drive is going to stop working or anything. When you want to watch a HD-DVD, use your HD-DVD drive!

HD-DVD the superior technology? (1)

Asterra (1087671) | more than 6 years ago | (#22495102)

I doubt one would really try to argue that. I can't say I saw anyone trying, at least. Superior technology? No. Superior movies? Yep. Not Blu-ray's fault. Sony's. For being cheap and assuming their platform would win without the need to maximize quality (by skipping MPEG2). Glad they had competition around to force the issue.

compusa (2, Informative)

yodleboy (982200) | more than 6 years ago | (#22495146)

some of the compUSA joints closing up have been unloading BR blanks for as low as $2/each... I just got a ps3 this weekend, finally figured it was safe to pick a format. About damn time.

Cheaper (3, Insightful)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 6 years ago | (#22495318)

All you need is a Windows machine with a fast processor, an HD-DVD drive, a Blu-Ray burner, 30GB of free disk space, at least, though 40GB or more is recommended and an internet connection to download the software!

I think it would be cheaper to just re-buy all your discs in BluRay, especially considering the cost of BR recordable discs.

Or if there is no BR equivalent, get a fire-sale HD-DVD player just for those obsolete discs.

One poorly phrased comment... (2, Insightful)

argent (18001) | more than 6 years ago | (#22495336)

The last line of this article ends "whether it is true or not". It should read "whether it is relevant or not". The failure of HD-DVD has nothing to do with whether it is superior or inferior, but to market forces. There have been any number of situations over the years, centuries, and millennia, where technically superior products and technologies have failed (whether to be reborn later, in some form, or not) in the face of chance vagaries of the market.

Note that I am not arguing that it is superior, I neither know nor care since I have no interest in the technology itself and no media in either format, simply suggesting a significant improvement to the way the comment is phrased.

Dumbest. Article. Ever. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22495392)

Seriously... what passes for news on /. these days is mind-boggling. Wanna tell me how to convert my cassette tapes to CDs next? I've been wondering...

Jeez...

BD9 (3, Interesting)

DrXym (126579) | more than 6 years ago | (#22495420)

Blu Ray supports 9 & 4.7 Gb DVDs with the proper disc structure. So in theory you could transcode an HD DVD to a DVD. Quality wouldn't be as good as the original but its probably watchable. Alternative just store the movie data on a removable USB drive and watch it on a PS3.

Investing in wrong technology (2, Funny)

Riquez (917372) | more than 6 years ago | (#22495506)

All you need is a Windows machine with a fast processor, an HD-DVD drive, a Blu-Ray burner, 30GB of free disk space
hmm, you invested in HD-DVD and Windows?
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