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Leaked RIAA Training Video

samzenpus posted more than 6 years ago | from the gateway-crime dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Gizmodo has a clip of that RIAA training video produced with the NDAA for US prosecutors that was leaked to torrent sites a few days ago. It argues they should pursue piracy cases because it leads to bigger and badder wares, like handguns, drugs, terrorist orgs, and hardcore repeat offender criminals. It's kind of sad how far they're stretching to bring law enforcement into the matter."

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Really? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22497518)

Second Plop.

SLASHDOT SUX0RZ (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22497542)

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Lawyer are god (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22497552)

So they are saying that all lawyer are as white as snow?

Re:Lawyer are god (2, Funny)

themushroom (197365) | more than 6 years ago | (#22497602)

Nah, they only look pasty like that. I can't speak on statistics of non-Caucasians securing student loans to law schools, though.

That solves everything! (5, Funny)

themushroom (197365) | more than 6 years ago | (#22497572)

Because, you know, terrorists always watch pirated movies and download pop albums, and they're constantly Torrenting weapons of mass destruction (though it takes awhile with their throughput).

RIAA, Homeland Security... who knew they were one and the same?

Re:That solves everything! (5, Funny)

Jarik_Tentsu (1065748) | more than 6 years ago | (#22498332)

In future news...

George W. Bush: We have EVIDENCE that Sweden is hosting the servers of mass destruction owned by the notorious terrorist organisation, The Pirate Bay! Sweden is refusing to shutdown this evil group, so we must invade them to maintain peace in the world!

Random Person: But Mr. President...what does file-sharing have to do with terrorism?

George W. Bush: You must have missed that informative video presented by our friends, the RIAA linking file-sharing to terrorism. These 'torrents' can cause mass destruction and have already resulted in billions of dollars of damage to our economy and this is the beginning to them...torture, rape and murder is what is to come! We must liberate the internet from the tyranny and dictatorship of these file-sharers!

*Post-War with Sweden*

George W. Bush: I don't understand! We flattened every single server cluster in the country and Pirate Bay is up again...!

CIA: It seems they have multiple mirrors across the globe.

George W. Bush: They're all terrorist supporters! NUKE THEM ALL!

~Jarik

Re:That solves everything! (4, Insightful)

cgenman (325138) | more than 6 years ago | (#22498532)

It's true, isn't it? Your average terrorist is probably out there pirating software, cheating on their spouses, and experimenting with illegal narcotics.

Of course, terrorists also eat, go to the bathroom, and occasionally bathe too. That's because it's what people do. Correlation does not equal causality, unless you're very well paid to believe so.

Muhahahahaha (5, Funny)

Ariastis (797888) | more than 6 years ago | (#22497576)


A CD today, tomorrow the world! arrrrrrrrrrr....

How? (5, Funny)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 6 years ago | (#22497584)

How will they pursue piracy cases without a Navy?

Re:How? (0)

sethrulesall (1161623) | more than 6 years ago | (#22497892)

You made my day.

Re:How? (1)

kaizokuace (1082079) | more than 6 years ago | (#22497940)

software pirates should just take to the high seas! As long as they keep running around unprotected waters they cant get sued! They will have to deal with firefights with real pirates and probably RIAA will send in black water or something. But it will be good times.

Re:How? (1)

blasterz (803626) | more than 6 years ago | (#22497952)

Maybe Scientology can assign some of Sea Org to assist them

Re:How? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22497980)

"The SEC has boats?!"

Re:How? (4, Funny)

bladesjester (774793) | more than 6 years ago | (#22498106)

How will they pursue piracy cases without a Navy?

With law Ninjas

gateway crime misinformation (5, Insightful)

Will the Chill (78436) | more than 6 years ago | (#22497586)

This is just the same old "gateway crime" argument, which, if history is any example, will inevitably be scientifically proven false by statistical studies showing (perhaps a correlation, but) no causation.

All agressive prosecutors (persecutors?) will fall back on this precept when it starts to become clear the "crime" they're fighting against is victimless and thus shouldn't be considered a crime at all.

I find this is mostly caused by greed and ignorance on the part of the persecuting party and any agencies they employ in their unethical battle.

-WtC

*error 404: sig not found*

Re:gateway crime misinformation (5, Interesting)

DracusMage (825973) | more than 6 years ago | (#22497754)

'Cause you start out stealing songs and then you're robbing liquor stores
And sellin' crack and runnin' over school kids with your car

I never thought that a Weird Al song would actually be a part of the RIAA's groundwork for getting the government to do their bidding. But if the RIAA says that downloading songs is going to lead to running guns and drugs, then we should take this a step further.

In order to better "think of the children" we should immediately disband the RIAA and all of the record companies. I mean, if stealing songs leads to drugs being sold to children, or guns being fired at people, we should do the "right thing" and keep anyone from stealing music. Since they can't do this the way they are going at it, then obviously we should stop the music piracy by stopping the music.

Re:gateway crime misinformation (5, Insightful)

tubapro12 (896596) | more than 6 years ago | (#22498360)

Interesting idea, but the way I see it, if they're going to argue that piracy is a gateway crime, how can they not argue that music makes people violent [nytimes.com] ? I have to offset this with the fact that they are the RIAA, nevertheless, combining these two opinions seems roughly logically consistent to me.

Re:gateway crime misinformation (5, Interesting)

IdleTime (561841) | more than 6 years ago | (#22497878)

USA should follow Norways example on how to deal with RIAA, MPAA and other such extortion outfits.
http://torrentfreak.com/norwegian-police-deal-massive-blow-to-mpaa-lawyer-080220/ [torrentfreak.com]

"Like many lawyers in the anti-piracy arena, Tøndel tries to blur civil and criminal law to obtain leverage. The police are clear - their priority is investigating real crimes, such as murder and robbery and sadly for him, file-sharing does not fall into those categories. Tøndel must now make his claims against alleged pirates in a civil court.

Following this major setback, Tøndel wrote to the Department of Justice and demanded a meeting with them. Unfortunately for Tøndel, the response wasn't what he'd been hoping for -the Department of Justice completely refused him a meeting- leaving him to start suing IP addresses, which he's not allowed to do. Ouch."

Re:gateway crime misinformation (2, Interesting)

OECD (639690) | more than 6 years ago | (#22498384)

Tøndel must now make his claims against alleged pirates in a civil court.

Nooooo! The humanity!!! Think of the terrorists/children!

Barely off topic: How hard is it for a Yank to immigrate to Norway?

Re:gateway crime misinformation (1)

emjay88 (1178161) | more than 6 years ago | (#22497920)

Remind me again how pirating music (or anything for that matter) is a "victimless" crime?

Re:gateway crime misinformation (4, Informative)

webmaster404 (1148909) | more than 6 years ago | (#22498150)

Remind me again how pirating music (or anything for that matter) is a "victimless" crime?


Because what the RIAA calls "pirating" is what most people did in the record days and tape days. I didn't see the recording industry suddenly get bankrupt. What about VCRs that recorded TV did that suddenly make TV stations go bankrupt? Or the TiVo how it skips ads, because I know that it made TV shows stop airing because people "pirated" them and skipped the commercials. The fact is, "pirating" is doing the same job today as radio did 10-20 years ago, promotes the artist. People won't buy something without hearing or seeing it for free, same reason a bookstore will let you read an entire book if you really want to without paying for it. In the end though, even though it hurts the *AA's cashflow for a bit, it will increase it in the long run by gaining new music fans.

Re:gateway crime misinformation (2, Interesting)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 6 years ago | (#22498176)

This is just the same old "gateway crime" argument, which, if history is any example, will inevitably be scientifically proven false by statistical studies showing (perhaps a correlation, but) no causation.
Science which will be ignored by lawmakers and buried by the media [salon.com] .

Re:gateway crime misinformation (5, Insightful)

Samgilljoy (1147203) | more than 6 years ago | (#22498224)

This is just the same old "gateway crime" argument, which, if history is any example, will inevitably be scientifically proven false by statistical studies showing (perhaps a correlation, but) no causation.

And the old gateway crime argument is just a form of the ancient post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.

People fill in the gaps in their information with ideology. Unfortunately, a great deal of law enforcement training perpetuates these ideas. Time and again, they'll tell you that people convicted of felony X first committed misdemeanor Y, but they fail to notice that they have no idea how many people actually commit misdemeanor Y without ever coming under the radar. Counterarguments which are under the radar, like the hordes of people who smoke pot but don't do crack, are filed away as potential crack smokers rather than demonstrations that smoking pot does not necessarily lead to smoking crack. They also ignore extensions of their own arguments, and not just the ad nauseam examples. For instance, one could just as easily say that drinking beer leads to smoking crack even in adults, but they won't. Why causal linkages between beer and pot and crack are so strong in kids, while the link between beer and anything "druggy" magically disappears during adulthood is beyond me, but then, I only had 9 years of full-time University education and 3 years of doctoral research, so I guess I ain't clever enough to suss out thar thinkun'

Re:gateway crime misinformation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22498320)

This is just the same old "gateway crime" argument, which, if history is any example, will inevitably be scientifically proven false by statistical studies showing (perhaps a correlation, but) no causation.

Are you kidding??? I ask you, how many of us got into pharmaceutical life enhancements after being exposed to that ubiquitous gateway drug innocently referred to as mother's milk? Boobs should be banned for the sake of the children.

Re:gateway crime misinformation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22498418)

Exactly.

Why weed and encryption was included with exporting arms and ammunition laws.

If you can't find a cause or understand something just stick it with exporting of leathal weapons.

While it may be true (4, Interesting)

joeflies (529536) | more than 6 years ago | (#22497590)

that people involved in piracy of US copyright overseas may be involved in organized crime, it doesn't seem to match the profile of the people they are suing. If they want to fight organized crime, terrorists, etc, then shouldn't years of effort resulted in at least one lawsuit against a terrorist?

Re:While it may be true (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22497906)

You mean, copying a CD ISN'T the same thing as blowing up innocent civilians in a shopping mall???? Who knew...

Re:While it may be true (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22497990)

"If they [RIAA} want to fight organized crime,.."

Family doesn't fight family - capish?

More on the Lawyer war (-1, Troll)

Simple-Simmian (710342) | more than 6 years ago | (#22497598)

One more attack by the Lawyers on the rest of society. It's them against us and they write all the law and sit in judgment on those laws. The end result is less and less liberty and justice. If you even speak out against them you are branded a terrorist by their filthy guild.

Re:More on the Lawyer war (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22497806)

You know that there are defense attorneys too, who defend people accused of filesharing, right?

And lawyers who sue the government [aclu.org] to defend our civil liberties. And lawyers who make a living freeing people from death row [alandershowitz.com] . And lawyers who fight against injustice [splcenter.org] .

There's no such thing as "lawyers do ___." There are people who practice law on both sides of most issues. And lawyers as a group take plenty of criticism. Nobody's branding you a terrorist. Just pointing out that your facts are incomplete.

Re:More on the Lawyer war (4, Funny)

QCompson (675963) | more than 6 years ago | (#22497870)

One more attack by the Lawyers on the rest of society. It's them against us and they write all the law and sit in judgment on those laws. The end result is less and less liberty and justice. If you even speak out against them you are branded a terrorist by their filthy guild.
Filthy lawyers. Too bad there isn't a group of people, knowledgeable about law, who would defend you against these evil scum lawyers... you know, some sort of protectors who would present a defense against these bloodthirsty prosecuting attorneys and the corrupt legal system.

Re:More on the Lawyer war (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22498254)

some sort of protectors who would present a defense against these bloodthirsty prosecuting attorneys and the corrupt legal system.

The only difference between a defense attourney and a prosecuting attourney is which one fell asleep during the bar exam.

Re:More on the Lawyer war (2, Informative)

QCompson (675963) | more than 6 years ago | (#22498280)

The only difference between a defense attourney and a prosecuting attourney is which one fell asleep during the bar exam.
If only that made a difference. Bar exams are pass/fail. Your joke fails.

No no no. Stop. Right now. Fucking Stop. (3, Insightful)

LordKaT (619540) | more than 6 years ago | (#22497604)

NO. Fucking stop it.

STOP RIGHT THERE GOVERNMENT.

I am not going to let you use my tax money to start a "War on Piracy" - just like your dumbass "War on Drugs"

STOP. BAD DOG! NO BISCUIT FOR YOU!

Seriously, the only way you can teach these fucking politicians is by hitting them in the nose.

Re:No no no. Stop. Right now. Fucking Stop. (2, Insightful)

Brieeyebarr (938678) | more than 6 years ago | (#22497718)

Maybe this will cause even more people to see how flawed the logic that proponents of the "war on drugs" use.

It is the same basic idea, just even less true.

Re:No no no. Stop. Right now. Fucking Stop. (2, Insightful)

QCompson (675963) | more than 6 years ago | (#22497888)

Seriously, the only way you can teach these fucking politicians is by hitting them in the nose.
So, to follow the war on drugs analogy, we should... keep voting for them?

Re:No no no. Stop. Right now. Fucking Stop. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22498056)

You forgot about the failed "war on cancer". Which evolved into a creepy war on AIDS (the epidemic that never was).

Humorous (4, Insightful)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 6 years ago | (#22497614)

This is the one with Tom Cruise [gawker.com] , right?

I have not seen the video but I find it quite humorous when some organization's materials for training/brainwashing are leaked and it makes headlines. I.E. Scientology, RIAA, etc. What would even be funnier if the RIAA took the same position the Church of Scientology did and tried to repress this video.

Repression of information is the first sign of a flawed ideology. As we've seen in many court cases in which they've shut down systems, the RIAA is against any kind of information sharing via P2P software and therefore has a flawed ideology.

Gateway Drug? (1)

Freaky Spook (811861) | more than 6 years ago | (#22497620)


Music piracy is the new gateway drug, I can't way to see the propaganda, sorry "educational" videos in the style of those movies such as Reefer Madness.

Innocent teenager downloads a couple of songs with some mates off the internet for a bit of a laugh.
Fast forward 6 months and he's wandering around the streets with a gun and portable hard drive leeching music off people at gunpoint.

OH GOD THE HUMANITY!!!!!!

It all started so innocently. (5, Funny)

palegray.net (1195047) | more than 6 years ago | (#22497622)

It was the heady days of the dot com era, and I was but a wee lad hacking away in my bedroom. One fateful day I stumbled upon a website called Napster [wikipedia.org] , and soon began downloading hordes of ill-gotten music. Before long, my insatiable craving for tunes led me to buy more hard drives, then a RAID enclosure, then an enterprise-level SAN... I should have seen the warning signs.

I gradually withdrew from my friends and family, unable to control my urge for more tunes. I knew it was wrong, but it felt so... right. I began using other filesharing software, and soon experienced strange hallucinations involving limes and wires. I told a friend about it, and he gave me some pills to help me sleep better at night. The troubling dreams and hallucinations faded, but now I couldn't stop taking the pills. Chain smoking, heavy drinking, and chronic pacing soon developed. I was having trouble concentrating on anything other than file swapping, and began using crack cocaine to improve my focus. My teeth began to loosen in their sockets, and I was fired from work after failing a drug test.

Now I live on the streets, feeding my addiction through unsecured wireless hotspots that I access through a Pentium 90 connected to an exercise bike generator. My crack cocaine consumption has skyrocketed due to my need to constantly pedal the bike lest my rig lose power. Heed my warning: sharing and downloading music will ruin your life! Contact your local RIAA liason to seek treatment immediately. It's not too late... friends don't let friends use filesharing software.

Re:It all started so innocently. (5, Funny)

garett_spencley (193892) | more than 6 years ago | (#22497734)

"Now I live on the streets, feeding my addiction through unsecured wireless hotspots that I access through a Pentium 90 connected to an exercise bike generator. My crack cocaine consumption has skyrocketed due to my need to constantly pedal the bike lest my rig lose power"

Well on the bright side, at least you're staying in shape ...

Re:It all started so innocently. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22497760)

through a Pentium 90 connected to an exercise bike generator.
Well, at least you're carbon neutral.

Training? (5, Funny)

ezwip (974076) | more than 6 years ago | (#22497630)

If you have not seen the video you can search for it on piratebay.org

Re:Training? (1)

palegray.net (1195047) | more than 6 years ago | (#22497770)

Unless of course you live in a country which is trying to block access to the Pirate Bay...

Re:Training? (1)

Architect_sasyr (938685) | more than 6 years ago | (#22498444)

At which time please attempt to use some sort of magic software [torproject.org] to get you around this restriction...

I dont understand... (1)

click2005 (921437) | more than 6 years ago | (#22497632)

Drug dealers dont make enough money forcing them to supplement their income by pirating CDs? Maybe they are winning the war on drugs. The cheaper prices must be a garage sale like Toshiba is doing with HDDVD.

Re:I dont understand... (3, Funny)

palegray.net (1195047) | more than 6 years ago | (#22498216)

The first hit (single) is always free...

omgz (1)

obnauticus (1166995) | more than 6 years ago | (#22497646)

Noobs, err RIAA sucks.

we are like SO legion (0, Offtopic)

blhack (921171) | more than 6 years ago | (#22497660)

Can we now have a bunch of idiots upload time lapse videos of clouds with synthesized voice overlays declaring the end of the RIAA?
Please?
Can we?

They can even wear Guy Fawkes masks if they want!

The Irony Is... (5, Insightful)

fsckr (965056) | more than 6 years ago | (#22497692)

That many of the 'artists' that the RIAA protects are hardcore repeat offender criminals that are pimping the handguns, drugs etc etc

Re:The Irony Is... (1)

Propaganda13 (312548) | more than 6 years ago | (#22498472)

I don't think many of the 'artists' are actually hardcore repeat offender criminals, that's just what their record label wants you to think. I do agree that it should be ok to pirate any records that promote illegal activity after all I'm on the grizzy, my nizzy.

ROFFLCOPTER (5, Informative)

Creepy Crawler (680178) | more than 6 years ago | (#22497704)

The story forgot something...

The link of the TORRENT [thepiratebay.org] ...or search RIAA training video on piratebay

Re:ROFFLCOPTER (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22498040)

Your sig is abusing the system.

WTF (0, Redundant)

Exile1 (746114) | more than 6 years ago | (#22497716)

WTF this is just wrong, just because they download software doesn't mean they are gonna do drugs and such

Re:WTF (1)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 6 years ago | (#22497772)

this even MS windows.... this is britney spears, and nsync, and prince. This on a level of sad that most can't even appreciate.

Re:WTF (1)

LaskoVortex (1153471) | more than 6 years ago | (#22497876)

The training video is to motivate law enforcement officers to imagine that people are out there downloading files while smoking crack, buying automatic rifles, and ordering their "gangstuh" enemies dead.

Here is the planned scenario: The video will first drive the cops into a rage, foaming at the mouth, ready to suspect anyone who uses a computer. The next step will be little bells and treats for the cops when they beat up someone using a computer or when they suspect of downloading files. The cops will need more backup and better cars. There will be a referendum, then a bond. It will become politically popular to be tough on downloaders. There will be worried moms and community meetings to discuss the problem of downloading. We will have now have a convenient scapegoat every time our children get in trouble or stop obeying us. The topic of downloading will be forbidden from the classroom except for the most Orwellian and shortest of all possible sentiments: "Just say No". We will Just Say No to downloading. Senators will pass legislation and presidents will run on the "crackdown" platform. We will call this phase the "crackdown" phase. Then we'll have a war: The War on Downloading. Our taxes will go up and we will borrow against the value of our currency fund the war. But we will be willing to pay with our freedoms and our future earnings because we will feel safer from the Threat of Downloading.

the "Legit America Act" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22498160)

You forgot about the "Legit America Act". Let's pass it and save our children! Hell, let's amend the constitution to make sure our children will be safe from illegal downloads!

Re:WTF (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 6 years ago | (#22498322)

Are the RIAA going to be procuring crack for the cops to take while watching the videos - you know, like they do for their "clients"? And (bviously) themselves?

... because really, this sounds like someone's crack fantasy.

Re:WTF (1)

hyades1 (1149581) | more than 6 years ago | (#22498182)

"...just because they download software doesn't mean they are gonna do drugs and such."

Of course it does! I'm an extremely ethical person, and it's only when people hold me down and blow dope smoke in my face that I turn into a complete moral degenerate who simply cannot help but race to the nearest computer and begin compulsively downloading the latest drek from the Spice Girls or whatever.

Help me. Please.

So you're telling me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22497726)

that all my neighbors, relatives and friends are all wielding handguns, dealing drugs, and harboring terrorists? If that were the case, I don't think anybody would give a rat's ass about what the MAFIAA are calling "piracy".

You know what? (4, Interesting)

The Ultimate Fartkno (756456) | more than 6 years ago | (#22497738)

I'm in the entertainment industry. I'm one of those corporate media whores who "hasn't come up with an original story in decades" and "keeps shoveling sellout pop shit down (your) throats" and "wouldn't know real talent if it walked up and kicked (me) in the balls." I'm part of the complex, epic machinery that creates the media that all of you "share" because it's all shit and worthless and you wouldn't bother downloading it if you weren't "sticking it to teh mang" and at the end of the day my rent and car payment and grocery store bills all depend on selling the stuff that you all pretend to loathe while you're copying it at terabytes per day.

And, sadly, all that being said I'd still rather have you guys steal all my work in "protest" than have the RIAA represent me and blame the Pirate Bay for 9/11, herpes, Ashlee Simpson's "career," and the fucking Kennedy assassination.

Seriously. I hate those assholes.

I still have rent to pay, though, so go buy a fucking CD you torrented or something, okay?

Re:You know what? (5, Funny)

mdenham (747985) | more than 6 years ago | (#22497864)

Considering how I don't listen to any (well, hardly any - "Still Alive" is catchy) music newer than about 1987, how about you just burn me a "Best of Black Sabbath" album and I'll write you a check for $6.95?

Re:You know what? (5, Funny)

The Ultimate Fartkno (756456) | more than 6 years ago | (#22497954)

I'll do you one better. You go here...

http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3678098/Black_Sabbath-The_Best_Of_Black_Sabbath-2CD-(Remastered)-2007-EO [thepiratebay.org] ...and download it yourself. You burn it and send Sabbath a check, as I had nothing to do with it and have no claim to their cash. If the boys in the band like their arrangement with the label then they'll kick back some of the money. If not, then their beef is with the suits. Either way, I'm okay with it.

However, you should be warned that by downloading that torrent you're supporting communism, AIDS, baby rape, and late fees at video stores. I hope you're happy with yourself, you amoral hooligan.

if you're just a troll (3, Funny)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 6 years ago | (#22498110)

and you're misrepresenting yourself for fun, you rock dude

if you are actually who you say you are, you rock dude

Re:You know what? (2, Insightful)

evanbd (210358) | more than 6 years ago | (#22497882)

People on the internet are diverse. Those of us who complain about the RIAA and modern pop music aren't necessarily the same ones downloading their wares. It's no more reasonable to lump all internet users together than it is to lump all musicians or RIAA employees -- less so, in fact, seeing as it's a larger and more diverse group.

Oh, and I have bought CDs I torrented. In fact, I've got a couple sitting in an online shopping cart waiting for another addition or two. You may find it odd, but exposure to music results in purchases.

Re:You know what? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22497950)

No u

I say this with the utmost respect (4, Interesting)

Smordnys s'regrepsA (1160895) | more than 6 years ago | (#22497972)

Most of us WANT you to lose your job. Nothing against you personally. A lot of us know how you feel, stuck in a dieing job with bosses who don't understand what is happening with/to the world.

I don't hate your musicians, I just hate the fact that some spoiled brat can make twice as much as me with half the effort and no college degree. I hate that those brats are being taken advantage of by overgrown bullies that make more money than I can, with low level degrees from classes whose main requirements to graduate are Show Up, and Bullshit Convincingly. I hate that there are sound technicians who took years out of their lives to learn how to use complex machines to make music sound better, when I can do the same damn thing with a $500 microphone, $1000 computer, and free/second-hand software that requires a week of spare time to master ($500 mic optional, I've heard some damn good professional-quality music come from a $25 mic).


Lucky for you for as bad as your industry's future looks, it will take quite a while to crash and burn. Enjoy it while it lasts.

Re:I say this with the utmost respect (2, Insightful)

MadnessASAP (1052274) | more than 6 years ago | (#22498468)

I was pretty much with you right up until the end. Being a sound technician is a real art that requires alot of dedication and practice, I gurantee you that you will not be even close the their abilities regardless of whose using what equipment in a week or even 5 years. Not to mention that alot of artists and sound technicians aren't payed what they're worth but at least the independent artists are starting to gain alot more traction and it's now starting to be feasible to be your own label.

Re:You know what? (1)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | more than 6 years ago | (#22498020)

never mind all that.

just give us the damned URL or torrent and shuddup.

and don't call us, we'll call you.

Re:You know what? (2)

RealGrouchy (943109) | more than 6 years ago | (#22498024)

Well, you want my two cents?

Because that's probably all you'll get out of it if I were to buy a CD, or a legal download, after the RIAA take their cut.

- RG>

Re:You know what? (2, Insightful)

totally bogus dude (1040246) | more than 6 years ago | (#22498344)

I think you and the brown guy are confused about how people get paid. Most people in the "entertainment industry" get a salary or hourly wage for doing their job, just like your average IT worker gets paid a certain amount for performing their job function. The amount of sales of the product in a given month has no direct impact on their paycheck, and they aren't paid a proportion of sales.

However, if not enough people buy the product, the business starts laying off salaried staff to try to reduce their operating costs; or potentially shuts down altogether.

So these "2c are all you'll get" comments aren't clever or insightful or even funny, they just show your ignorance.

Whether or not we should care is another matter, of course.

Re:You know what? (1)

Dzimas (547818) | more than 6 years ago | (#22498108)

Which Kennedy assassination would you like us to blame you for? ;) The global music industry is worth somewhere in the region of 30 billion dollars per year. That's a stunning amount of money for a discretionary product - after all, no one needs to purchase the latest hit songs. In the old days, one could make an argument that purchasing a $5.88 LP or cassette was "decent value." After all, there was no other way to obtain a high quality copy of a favorite song. In exchange for my money, I received physical media that I could resell, along with decent cover artwork and hopefully some interesting liner notes. These days, the major labels expect me to pay a buck for three minutes of highly compressed audio at a marginally acceptable bit rate. Your product sounds worse than it did fifteen years ago, and you've managed to get rid of artwork, liner notes and creative packaging.

The barriers to entry in your market have dropped through the floor - all that's needed is a killer "YouTube for music" app that lets independent artists reach an audience effectively and you're done for. Web-savvy artists love the idea of earning 50% or more for each track sold, rather than the meager royalties that large labels pay. They no longer need your exhorbitantly priced studio time (which you extracted from their royalties), expensive music videos (which you extracted from their royalties), or marketing effort(extracted from their royalties), nor are they comfortable with the idea of giving the lion's share of their earnings away. The days of the major labels are numbered. Now quit trying to blame us for your industry's ills and start working to come up with The Next Big Thing.

Re:You know what? (1)

the brown guy (1235418) | more than 6 years ago | (#22498124)

I still have rent to pay, though, so go buy a fucking CD you torrented or something, okay?

I am assuming that you are a media mogul, otherwise you probably won't see more than a few fractions of a cent from this hypothetical CD purchase.

Re:You know what? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22498128)

You are correct. People have a choice to consume the media that you produce. People using your media have the right to be paid for what it takes to produce it & to profit from it. For those who complain - the alternative is to create and share your own culture (YouTube, Jamendo etc) and make the broadcast media model irrelevant. This is far better than watching pirated Rambo XIX.

The RIAA behavior is a separate issue. The RIAA and the various DMCA clones should not be breaching personal privacy using dubious legal arguments. This vexatious litigant and should not be using processes and economic power to intimidate ordinary people - the impact on the individual is far greater on the individual than on the RIAA and it's backers.

The penalty for getting caught running a red light is tiny in comparison than the cost of a single copyright breach. The values that allow this is warped and way out of proportion.

Well, something to consider (1)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 6 years ago | (#22498134)

Is to look at going a more indipendant distribution route. Talk to someone like CD Baby and maybe start selling through them and on your website. If you want a way to sell your stuff that is outside of the RIAA controlled crap, well there you go.

Re:You know what? (1)

Spikeles (972972) | more than 6 years ago | (#22498294)

so go buy a fucking CD you torrented or something, okay?
I did, it was a Sarah McLachlan song, after that i liked it so much i went and bought every album she made, then i bought the music video DVD and if she ever did a Live concert near my city I'd be the first to buy tickets. Not everyone is an amoral hooligan, some actually do care and want to support artists. Funnily enough she is part of the Canadian music creators coalition [musiccreators.ca] so she probably wouldn't mind so much that it was torrented in the first place.

Re:You know what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22498296)

As there is no money in playing hopscotch all day, there is also no money in your formerly profitable industry.

Instead of begging others to subsidize your existence - you need to find a new job.

music pirate == terrorist (1)

arse maker (1058608) | more than 6 years ago | (#22497758)

These guys DO know how to market a product! Maybe they should instead focus their efforts on non Brittany Spears style artists?

Public education campaign (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22497766)

While it is good to have employees believe in the company I do not think that is what this video is about. They want high profile crime with media coverage to be associated with piracy. This will cement the "evil" in the publics view of piracy. Even if it is incidental, having that association there will eventually cement the opinion.

Its not saying where you find piracy there will be terrorism. They are saying to law enforcement to use piracy as an excuse to bust otherwise known criminals. This will lead to the association of piracy with hardened criminal activity. Mentioned frequently enough in the news it becomes a very powerful public education tool.

--
Anonymous

Re:Public education campaign (2, Insightful)

Chrondeath (757612) | more than 6 years ago | (#22498038)

Do people associate tax evasion with mobsters because of Al Capone?

Leaked to torrent sites? Ooh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22497798)

...RIAA training video -- leaked to torrent sites a few days ago...

Don't do that. That's illegal. RIAA might want to sue you.

*snicker*

Don't download this song (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22497816)

'Cause you start out stealing songs
and then you're robbing liquor stores
and selling Crack
and running over school kids with your car

Don't Download This Song - Wierd Al Yankovic

Makes sense (1)

TheOldSchooler (850678) | more than 6 years ago | (#22497826)

That must be why the RIAA is sueing twelve year olds and grandmothers; to protect America!

In the nicest way possible... (1)

annex1 (920373) | more than 6 years ago | (#22497830)

I hope their families die in a motor vehicle collision, pinned under a truck of blank media.

Re:In the nicest way possible... (2, Funny)

rk (6314) | more than 6 years ago | (#22498390)

While I hate the RIAA bastards, too, I really found this comment hideously offensive.

Do you have any idea how valuable a truck full of blank media is? What a shameless waste.

Don't Download This Song (1)

YutakaFrog (1074731) | more than 6 years ago | (#22497838)

The moment I read this I thought that they must have heard this song and said to themselves, "You know, this guy's got a great point here!" http://www.dontdownloadthissong.com/ [dontdownloadthissong.com]

Is this a hoax (1, Interesting)

computerchimp (994187) | more than 6 years ago | (#22497856)

Comon....this has got to be a hoax cc

Save the Next Britney (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22497862)

Someone should make a video showing how money has ruined Britney Spear's life. If everyone had pirated her music and not gone to her concerts, she wouldn't have the problems she has today.

Do a public service, pirate music save the next Britney.

Not to worry (1)

brilliant-mistake (578880) | more than 6 years ago | (#22498010)

Federal prosecutors already know their jobs - that's how they got where they are, so I imagine they're a little skeptical about being "trained" by the RIAA. On the other hand, if the RIAA were to offer them some financial assistance...maybe we should start to worry.

More info from Gizmodo (4, Funny)

DigitAl56K (805623) | more than 6 years ago | (#22498022)

Gizmodo [gizmodo.com] wrote:

This is a leaked official RIAA training video produced with the National District Attorneys Association telling U.S. prosecutors why they should bust music pirates: Because it'll lead them to "everything from handguns to large quantities of cocaine [and] marijuana," not to mention terrorists and murderers!
Like the author of TFA, I haven't seen the video (yet), but I'd hope conversations with members of the judicial system go something like this:

RIAA: "When we followed leads gathered in the process of prosecuting people for piracy we found other people we could prosecute for drug possession, terrorism, and murder!"

J: "Are you trying to say that the people you originally investigated were guilty of drug possession, terrorism, and murder, and that all people you intend to have prosecuted for piracy will also be guilty of drug possession, terrorism, and murder?"

RIAA: "Well, erm.. no..."

J: "So.. what are you saying?"

RIAA: "Well, piracy could benefit drug dealers, terrorists, and murderers, and so you should prosecute pirates with heavy penalties!"

J: "Have you filed charges against, say, The Pirate Bay, for sponsoring drug dealing, terrorism, and murder?"
RIAA: "Well... no..."

J: "Wouldn't you say that anybody providing a service to unknown clients, e.g. a website, may quite innocently service drug dealers, terrorists, and murderers in exactly the same way it would service law abiding citizens, making just as much differentiation between the two as your local laundromat?"

RIAA: "Ummm... we need a recess..."

Well, they obviously need... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22498060)

...portable tunez detectors so that the "hero" fuzztapo could set up "random courtesy music security checkpoints". You run the perp (all humans are perps by default now, get with the program) through the detector, and if found with "dangerous illegal assault tunes", they must immediately provide hard copy receipts for every purchased song in their collection they are carrying, and if not, they must be tased, pepper sprayed, given a few love taps from a "baton", "taken down", cuffed, hooded, "detained" and taken to an "undisclosed location" for "hard interrogation". National homelandz security is at stake here! We must stop music tarizm!

If they show this to the DA does the Defense have. (1)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 6 years ago | (#22498064)

If they show this to the DA does the Defense have the right to view it or can the RIAA try to keep it from them.

Here We Go Again (4, Insightful)

hyades1 (1149581) | more than 6 years ago | (#22498088)

"Reefer Madness" for a new generation.

Re:Here We Go Again (1)

SoccerMomRobot (1043232) | more than 6 years ago | (#22498442)

I wonder how long it will be before samples from this video start appearing in songs.

Relax (2, Funny)

fahrbot-bot (874524) | more than 6 years ago | (#22498170)

It argues they should pursue piracy cases because it leads to bigger and badder wares, like handguns, drugs, terrorist orgs, and hardcore repeat offender criminals.

Relax, the RIAA is just speaking from *personal* experience. Pursuing piracy cases has lead them to become hardcore repeat offender criminals. The video is a *warning* : if it can happen to them, it can happen to you - ooooooooo

WMD? (4, Funny)

Duncan Blackthorne (1095849) | more than 6 years ago | (#22498302)

Bittorrent == WMD (Weapon of Mass Downloading)?

torrent (1)

genican1 (1150855) | more than 6 years ago | (#22498336)

For once the Slashdot effect does good!

Broken Windows anybody? (1)

audi100quattro (869429) | more than 6 years ago | (#22498388)

I knew a few broken windows could spiral into a bad neighborhood, I didn't know copyright infringement could do similar.
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