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Mossberg Reviews the Lenovo X300 Vs. MacBook Air

kdawson posted more than 6 years ago | from the cage-match dept.

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genji256 writes "Adding to his first impressions, Walt Mossberg has published a full review of the soon-to-come Lenovo X300. As a bottom line he 'recommends the X300 for road warriors without hesitation, provided they can live with its two biggest downsides: a relatively paltry file-storage capacity and a hefty price tag.' Gizmodo lists all the comparisons with the MacBook Air that Walt inevitably makes. Final score: it's a tie, though certain points are arguable ('Doesn't use Mac OS X Leopard. Winner: MacBook Air')."

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Reviews for Macbook air are strangely high (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22508266)

I notice on the Amazon listing for the Macbook Air [amazon.com] that there are nothing but five-star reviews. Is it really that good, or are they just shills? It's a bit odd that a review never appeared here on Slashdot.

Re:Reviews for Macbook air are strangely high (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22508402)

Just to add: the initial Slashdot story announcing the product was hardly a "review". If you have a Macbook Air, why not post a review on the Firehose and post a link to your review as a reply to this comment?

Re:Reviews for Macbook air are strangely high (0, Troll)

Dark-Dx (1190049) | more than 6 years ago | (#22508488)

I'm sure the Air is not a 5-star product, let's admit it, they could have made it 0,5inch thicker and put some ports in that thing. I'll stay with my M1330 thanks.

Re:Reviews for Macbook air are strangely high (4, Insightful)

2nd Post! (213333) | more than 6 years ago | (#22508810)

What? They already did, it's called a MacBook. Prices are roughly comparable though the MacBook is slightly heavier.

Re:Reviews for Macbook air are strangely high (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22509368)

12" MacBook anyone..?

Re:Reviews for Macbook air are strangely high (1)

moderatorrater (1095745) | more than 6 years ago | (#22509494)

Who's going to buy the Macbook air except for those predisposed to love it? It's a niche product from a company that makes very good products if you're in their customer base. The lack of an optical drive and most of the standard ports are going to sow enough doubt that those who aren't already in love with the company are going to walk away. That's especially true for how new the product is; give it some time to mature and for word of mouth to get out, and you'll get more balanced views.

But... (1, Offtopic)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 6 years ago | (#22508276)

Will a beowold cluster of them run Linux in Soviet Russia?

Re:But... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22508360)

No, in Soviet Russia a beowold cluster of linux runs on you!

Why compare? (1, Insightful)

gilesjuk (604902) | more than 6 years ago | (#22508302)

The fact that the Macbook air runs an OS that the PC laptop can't is a major plus.

Unless you intend to run Windows on the Mac laptop then why compare?

Re:Why compare? (3, Informative)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 6 years ago | (#22508326)

Which OS [osx86project.org] would that be?

Re:Why compare? (2, Informative)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 6 years ago | (#22508424)

OSX86 is a nice little hobby, but for someone that wants a full working computer it's annoying. Even people building from computers scratch using 'ideal' components can't always get things working perfectly (eg, Me). Laptops it's even harder to find drivers, etc. Oh sure it'll run, but sleep won't work. Sound is flaky and wireless won't work. Especially considering there might not even be OS X WiMax drivers.

Re:Why compare? (1, Informative)

p0tat03 (985078) | more than 6 years ago | (#22509516)

Oh come on, way to let zealotry get ahead of you. OSx86 is a hack project, not a stable distribution of any OS. One has enough trouble just getting the most basic functions to run, even with a machine spec'ed to emulate Mac hardware. Getting OS X running on run of the mill generic hardware is EXTREMELY difficult.

Mod parent down. It's like suggesting a Vista install for a Pentium 300. I'm sure with enough hackery you can get it to work, but the results will NOT be professional, nor will it be stable, and in any case it's far beyond the abilities of your average user - or even your average power user.

Re:Why compare? (1)

kramulous (977841) | more than 6 years ago | (#22508458)

I agree entirely (posting from my macbook pro with only a Fedora install - best of both worlds ... excellent hardware, excellent OS).

Re:Why compare? (1)

gumbi west (610122) | more than 6 years ago | (#22508932)

Considering doing the same. Do you use TeX? If so, is there anything as good as TeXShop is for OS X?

Re:Why compare? (1)

kramulous (977841) | more than 6 years ago | (#22509158)

Sorry, I can't offer any useful help there. I don't use LaTex. (a yum search reveals a lot though - surely there is something in there).

Word of warning before you do it, to save you a lot of time, resize your OSX from the OSX terminal, install rEFIt, install Fedora on free space, THEN remove OSX while having boot into Fedora. It's an incompatibility of grub thing. I didn't look to into it because I was running out of time. Ubuntu does not have this problem.

Re:Why compare? (1)

Niten (201835) | more than 6 years ago | (#22509276)

If so, is there anything as good as TeXShop is for OS X?

Sadly, no. One of the best features of TeXShop is pdfsync [sourceforge.net] (which is also supported in other PDF viewers on OS X like Skim and PDFView), but pdfsync is not yet supported by any Linux (or Windows) LaTeX environments.

Re:Why compare? (-1, Troll)

miscz (888242) | more than 6 years ago | (#22508490)

What's a PC laptop? Apple computers are not "PCs"? I'm fucking going to bitch about this marketing crap everytime I see it. Also, artificial restrictions in Mac OSX are possible to hack, sorry. And it's not that great OS too.

Re:Why compare? (0)

je ne sais quoi (987177) | more than 6 years ago | (#22508496)

Unless you intend to run Windows on the Mac laptop then why compare?
Those of us who consider windows to be non-professional grade software find that to be a major bonus. There are a limited number of operating systems that also run a large number of commonly used apps (i.e. MS Office, Photoshop) without the aid of a reverse-engineered API (wine). The only one I can think of is Mac OS X, thus the ability to run Mac OS X is a definite plus for the macbook air in my book.

Re:Why compare? (1)

elloGov (1217998) | more than 6 years ago | (#22508692)

The comparison is not on the OS(s) each machine can run or not, but rather on the ability of each to satisfy a need for a "Road Warrior." Whether one OS or the other OS achieving this doesn't factor in this comparison. With that being said, I am a huge fan of Thinkpads and think that Lenovo(IBM) has a far superior quality and architecture than any other manufacturer out there. It is worth the price in my opinion. Identical specs on a Thinkpad and let's say HP or Dell laptop are just not the same.

Walt's damning with faint praise (-1, Troll)

goombah99 (560566) | more than 6 years ago | (#22508828)

Damning with faint praise. While he is appearing even handed he says the bottom line.

Smaller disk (with zero advantages on speed or battery)
shorter battery life
thicker and heavier.
slower CPU
80% higher price.
Screen is awkward for airline seats.
No lit keyboard

What does it offer in return to make up? You get to lug a DVD player, you get one higher resolution screen mode, and you get optional GPS support. Whooptee doo.

The Air has dongles for Ethernet and you can bring along a USB powered DVD if you really need constantly while it on travel. You mean you really are not bringing along a should bag you could slip a DVD player into? Good then you don't need that DVD with you all the time, like say in the conference room where being a pound lighter, and having a lit KB and much longer battery will make all the difference.

Re:Walt's damning with faint praise (4, Insightful)

spoco2 (322835) | more than 6 years ago | (#22509186)

Hang on a sec, you're being ridiculously pro Mac here and overlooking a lot of things:

  Is thicker than MacBook Air. Winner: MacBook Air.
  Really, who gives two craps about thickness... it's all marketing from Apple. Who has honestly gone "Gee wizz, this laptop is just too darn THICK for my needs!"? Pretty much no-one... where does it being super, super thin make for a big boon? Any bag you're going to carry said laptop in is going to be able to handle another centimeter or so... geeze.

  Is heavier than MacBook Air. Winner: MacBook Air.
  Weight does matter, indeed... but when it gets to a certain point, it doesn't any more, light enough is light enough, unless you have some sort of musculature atrophy that makes you unable to lift the heaviest version of the notebook at a whole... ooh, 3.5 pounds. Geeze... from his review: "is still very thin and light. It's under an inch thick and even at its heaviest is only 3.5 pounds." So, these points are just mindless waffle.

  Has less battery life in both tests and normal use (so much for SSD.) Winner: MacBook Air.
  This does indeed have baring on actual use, I give full points to this one.

  Has way more ports. Winner: Lenovo X300.
  This is very important, yet you just ignore the need for a large number of us to have different ports for different uses.

  Has built-in DVD possibility. Winner: Lenovo X300.
  YOU say "Whooptee doo." Big plus for me... my laptop MUST have a built in DVD drive as I use it as an entertainment station for the kids while we're away, and having a separate drive hanging off on a usb cable is a big NO NO. You also contradict yourself with for the Lenovo "You get to lug a DVD player", and yet for the Apple you say "you can bring along a USB powered DVD". Which is better, one that's in built, out of the way, doesn't need the external casing, or one hidden away in the body of the machine... if you NEED or WANT a DVD player (which a LOT of us still do), then it's a major failing to not have one in the unit. Yes, I can see certain people who'll have little need for one, but don't off handly say it's not a good thing.

  Has SSD drive built-in. Winner: Lenovo X300.
  YOU SAY "Smaller disk (with zero advantages on speed or battery)" which is ignoring the robustness of a solid state drive, nothing to do with speed/battery... missing the point entirely.

  Has WiMax connectivity. Winner: Lenovo X300.
  I like how you ignore this, which considering that the Apple lacks drives and needs to share others, would seem to be something it could do with, data transfer wise.

  Has USB Wireless. Winner: Lenovo X300.
  While this isn't widespread yet, how cool to not have to plug in new devices? Very nice.

  Has GPS location-finding. Winner: Lenovo X300.
  YOU say "Whooptee doo." Yeah, just discount something many, many people would find handy.

  Has higher screen resolution. Winner: Lenovo X300.
  You say "Whooptee doo." Again... um... higher resolution is a BIG plus for many people, yet you just discount it... well done.

  Has a screen that stands up higher, leaving less viewing angle while travelling on plane. Winner: MacBook Air.
  Yeah, valid point here, no two ways about that.

  Has slower processor. Winner: MacBook Air.
  Except "In my tests, the X300 performed very well, even though it has a relatively slow processor, slower than the MacBook's." So, a bit of a moot point it would seem.

  Doesn't use Mac OS X Leopard. Winner: MacBook Air.
  This SO doesn't apply to most people... SOME want OSX, OTHERS want Vista/XP, you can't put this as a carte blanch statement.

It comes down to what you want a laptop for... and looking at what YOU deem to be important and applying that to EVERYONE is such an immature attitude.

Re:Walt's damning with faint praise (1, Insightful)

Otter (3800) | more than 6 years ago | (#22509370)

Really, who gives two craps about thickness...

People who have to work in airplane seats, i.e. exactly the target audience of the Lenovo.

Re:Walt's damning with faint praise (2, Interesting)

p0tat03 (985078) | more than 6 years ago | (#22509574)

I've never ever had trouble opening my MacBook Pro in any airline seat... It seems to me 1" is plenty thin enough to be an airline workhorse... Any thinner IMHO is a bit pointless.

I agree with GP, overall the Lenovo is looking like the better machine. More ports (yay!), better resolution (a small bonus, IMHO), WiMax integration (meh right now, may become important later), and integrated disc drive (yay!), is a lot of pluses, considering its only penalties are being thicker, and having slightly less battery life.

About the only real place where the MBA wins over the X300 is the weight. Sure, 0.5 lbs don't seem like a lot, but then again, people said that about the 2 lb difference between the MacBook and MacBook Air. Weight does matter for people who are traveling with the device ALL DAY.

Re:Walt's damning with faint praise (1)

Trogre (513942) | more than 6 years ago | (#22509518)

Playstation or Wii [youtube.com]

Heh yeah I like that PS3 vs Wii ad too. I think it sums up the differences nicely.

One of them is cute and shallow, a novelty bimbo that I'd soon lose interested in. And probably infected with God knows what.

The other one looks like she might actually have some substance, can handle sophisticated fun and will probably age better.

Re:Why compare? (1)

at_slashdot (674436) | more than 6 years ago | (#22508976)

One laptop runs a better OS than the other, in addition that laptop can run all the major OSes available. Why not compare?

 

Re:Why compare? (1)

BlackSnake112 (912158) | more than 6 years ago | (#22509510)

I'd love to see the "I'm a Mac.." Commercial with the Mac guy switching into/having a PC and Linux guy.

It could be funny. It would be true. Never happen, but would be good to see.

Bah. (2, Insightful)

jmorris42 (1458) | more than 6 years ago | (#22508324)

Feh. Both of them leave me uncaring. I'd have expected more benefit from SSD in the runtime dept for the price premium it carries. But on the other hand the Apple is too much compromise in function to achieve 'cool factor' for my taste. If I really wanted to optimize the size (while still keeping something close to a real keyboard) over everything else I'd grab an eeepc.

Re:Bah. (1)

TheSpengo (1148351) | more than 6 years ago | (#22508706)

I agree. I can either pay $2-3000 for an expensive thinkpad or macbook air and use it for portable internet browsing, word processing, etc. OR I can spend $300 and get an Asus eeepc that's even smaller and do the same thing. I guess they could be useful if you needed a bit more power than the eeepc can provide, but I use a desktop computer for that. $1000 desktop + $300 eeepc gets you more portability and more power for half the price!

Depends on what you are going for... (3, Insightful)

puff3456 (898964) | more than 6 years ago | (#22508370)

The X300 is like a tank, the Air like a sculpture, one is purpose built to get the job done, the other is purpose built to woo the eyes.

Should should go look at one in person (4, Informative)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 6 years ago | (#22508470)

The X300 is like a tank, the Air like a sculpture, one is purpose built to get the job done, the other is purpose built to woo the eyes.

Have you ever held one? The Air is quite solid, for something so thin. I would have no hesitation lugging one around in a backpack ad not having to worry about treating it gently.

Re:Should should go look at one in person (-1, Troll)

Dark-Dx (1190049) | more than 6 years ago | (#22508538)

It was an analogy, tool.

Invalid analogy is not an analogy (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 6 years ago | (#22508572)

It was an analogy, tool.

Obviously - but that doesn't make it correct, if the points it is based on are wrong. I'm not a tool but you just proved you're a fool.

Re:Invalid analogy is not an analogy (1)

puff3456 (898964) | more than 6 years ago | (#22508698)

I agree with you that the Air feels tough, and probably is, but it definitely looks like it was built with looks being the first priority, and given its lack of optical drive, network port, etc. I think that point is reinforced. That doesn't make it a bad choice or suggest that designing for looks is a bad motive but for someone who wants functionality it has its drawbacks.

Re:Invalid analogy is not an analogy (1)

Dark-Dx (1190049) | more than 6 years ago | (#22509238)

Wow... I thought the slashdot community was better. And this is my 2nd post.

Re:Should should go look at one in person (4, Funny)

holden caufield (111364) | more than 6 years ago | (#22508938)

The X300 is like a tank, the Air like a sculpture

It was a simile, you illiterate tool.

Re:Should should go look at one in person (1)

moderatorrater (1095745) | more than 6 years ago | (#22509558)

To be fair, Macintosh did name the notebook after the most insubstantial and least solid thing they could.

Re:Depends on what you are going for... (1)

Warll (1211492) | more than 6 years ago | (#22508668)

If any laptop is a sculpture its the Thinkpad line. Their design is simply beautiful and the closeted thing your going to get in timeless when it comes to computers. I myself am rather indifferent about most of the current Apple product styles, but I can tell you this, I don't think I'd want anyone to see me with an older iBook.

Re:Depends on what you are going for... (2)

puff3456 (898964) | more than 6 years ago | (#22508792)

I love the way the Thinkpad looks, and love the various features which are elegantly designed into it, however often find myself at odds with people saying they are ugly and stuck in the 80's. Either way a great machine as I expect the x300 will similarly prove to be.

Wow... (5, Funny)

rworne (538610) | more than 6 years ago | (#22508380)

FTA:

It [Thinkpad X300] isn't as sexy or inexpensive as the MacBook Air, but it has numerous features the Apple lacks, especially a wide array of ports and connectivity options, a built-in DVD drive and a removable battery.


The first time I have ever seen someone use "inexpensive" to describe the Macbook Air.

Re:Wow... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22508628)

jobs is going to double the price if he hears that.

Re:Wow... (5, Insightful)

internetcommie (945194) | more than 6 years ago | (#22508816)

It often surprises people, but when comparing computers with the same features, Macs often turns out to cost less.
Yes, you can get a Windows or Linux PC for $199, but it does not exactly have the performance of a Mac Pro. I was recently looking for a high performance PC, and found the Mac Pro was actually the cheapest one that met my requirements. What surprised even me is that even if I assumed I would be buying RAM and a display from Apple, it came out to less than a similarly equipped Dell, with Dell RAM and display.

Re:Wow... (1)

BeanThere (28381) | more than 6 years ago | (#22509204)

More important, and people always forget to do this, is to factor in the extra time you need to baby a Windows system to keep it running OK, e.g. digging through website forums, going in circles trying to find and download the patches and driver updates that might hopefully fix the problem you're having, applying obscure registry edits (Vista especially, if you add it up I've had at a *minimum* two weeks fulltime downtime just trying to get basic things to work, from USB flash drives / USB mice to digital cameras to phones to bluetooth to wireless to graphics (OpenGL) etc. etc. ... then you also need to factor in the extra time and money spent on antivirus software, as well as the fact that antivirus software must make your computer slower, so you actually, by definition, need a faster PC for Windows in order to get the *equivalent* performance of a Mac system - you can't even compare GHz for GHz etc.

To make a long story short by paraphrasing an old quote: A Windows PC is only (maybe) cheaper if your time has no value.

Tie? (3, Insightful)

um_atrain (810963) | more than 6 years ago | (#22508410)

How is this a tie?
How can the lack of an optical drive, any expansion, etc be counted as so low.
Also, the X300 only has SSD as an option right now. Compare that to the SSD version of the MacBook Air, and the price is very comparable.

And, as others have mentioned, Hackintosh! They can both run Windows or OSX. Sure, one doesn't ship with the other, but seriously, its not like its that hard to figure out. OS should not have been factored in at all.

They used thicker + heavier + screen height as 3 separate points. That should all be 1 point.

I don't see how the MBA can even get close.

Re:Tie? (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 6 years ago | (#22508612)

How can the lack of an optical drive, any expansion, etc be counted as so low.

Well I see it the other way - how can it be a tie when the things you actually use a laptop for when traveling, work or applications, come out better on the Air with a faster processor and better battery life? Not to mention you have the Windows AV Processor tax making the thing even slower.

I have a Macbook Pro and have not used my optical drive once in about two years of travel (who travels with DVD's for example - I rip movies, since watching them on the optical drive is a huge power drain). I could easily do without it. Nor have I used the ExpressCard slot. For those that need it the Makbook Pro is stil there, but for those that do not they have an option that saves them valuable space and weight be removing things you almost never need.

I frankly don't see many people choosing the X300 over an Air, just on processor alone and battery life alone.

Re:Tie? (1)

dfghjk (711126) | more than 6 years ago | (#22509590)

If the X300 ran OS X I certain would. The MBA is crippled by its terrible hard drive. Who cares what the processor speed is when the machine has ground to a halt waiting on disk (which OS X does all the time).

The X300 shows just how compromised the MBA is for the sake of being pretty. For the same weight, it offers comparable portability, superior screen, far superior IO, and far greater configuration flexibility. It's inability to run OS X is artificial; they both use substantially the same parts inside. If OS X is the primary factor, then the X300 doesn't matter but I'd rather have a MacBook. The X300 just shows that Apple could have produced a much more useful 3 pound notebook had its designers been as good as fanboys claim they are. This just shows, once again, that Apple is a boutique computer manufacturer---nothing but style over substance.

Actually, running OS X is a fair point (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22508450)

The Macbook Air can run OS X, Windows or Linux, while the X300 can only run Windows or Linux. It's not the old days of simply Windows OR OS X, now you can have on that'll do both, although I wouldn't put Vista on the Air as that'll suck up about 1/3 of the disk.

"Doesn't use Mac OS X Leopard" (1)

nrozema (317031) | more than 6 years ago | (#22508494)

Perhaps if it said "Can't run Mac OS X Leopard. Winner: MacBook Air", the point would be less contentious. The ability of one system to run an OS that the other can't seems to be a clear advantage to me.

Re:"Doesn't use Mac OS X Leopard" (1)

Altus (1034) | more than 6 years ago | (#22508558)


that whole section of the article is poorly written but if you look at the whole list you can figure it out.

Re:Actually, running OS X is a fair point (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22508592)

Turnabout is fair play.

Remember all those people who, when you suggested they consider a Mac, cried "but it doesn't run Windows!"

It's Lenovo, not IBM (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22508462)

Why is this tagged IBM? Why is the IBM logo being used? Lenovo bought the IBM laptop division at the end of 2004. IBM has a piece of Lenovo, but IT"S NOT IBM ANYMORE!!!!!

Whats the deal with the Leonovo anyway? (1)

Squapper (787068) | more than 6 years ago | (#22508506)

It's just a tiny bit thinner than a Dell m1330

Re:Whats the deal with the Leonovo anyway? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22508554)

It's not a Dull?

Re:Whats the deal with the Leonovo anyway? (1)

SoupGuru (723634) | more than 6 years ago | (#22508604)

I got a Dell m1330 too, but opted out of the SSD and went SATA instead... Got it for around $1300 refurbished. I haven't had any issues with it so far and I love it. Small, thin, LED backlit screen... it has a remote control built into it too. DVD drive, of course. All the bells and whistles, really. I find it odd that it doesn't get compared along side these other super-compact models.

Re:Whats the deal with the Leonovo anyway? (1)

2nd Post! (213333) | more than 6 years ago | (#22509568)

Because for the size and weight it is closer to a MacBook than a MacBook Air?

For $1100 you get a refurbished MacBook with 2.2GHz CPU, 120GB drive, 8x DVD-RW, and 1GB of RAM. It is 5 pounds, though, which is 1 pound heavier than your M1330, which itself is 1 pound heavier than the MacBook Air and Lenovo X300.

Re:Whats the deal with the Leonovo anyway? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22508920)

A drive bay, so you can swap the optical out for a battery or hard drive adapter, higher resolution screen, gigabit ethernet, ThinkPad build quality, some people love the clit mouse, and yes, its a slight bit thinner.

roadwarriors (5, Funny)

cliffski (65094) | more than 6 years ago | (#22508542)

Can we stop calling travelling salesmen 'road warriors'. Its a pathetic attempt to make very safe ordinary jobs done by people in suits sound like ninjas.

Re:roadwarriors (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22508644)

Bah. How often do ninjas have to deal with NP-complete problems?

Re:roadwarriors (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22508718)

Maybe it is marketed to people who do a lot of traveling in post apocalyptic Australia.

Re:roadwarriors (3, Funny)

ozphx (1061292) | more than 6 years ago | (#22508852)

My custom CRM system has a custom field to let me know how many times I have shot the client, and vice-versa.

Re:roadwarriors (1)

Fear the Clam (230933) | more than 6 years ago | (#22508812)

Can we stop calling travelling salesmen 'road warriors'.

Are we still allowed to call prostitutes 'choad warriors?'

Re:roadwarriors (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22508998)

SHHHH! All us consultants will get our panties in a bunch - we aren't 'salespeople', we are value-adding functional-area specialists who leverage best practices from fortune 500 ARGHHHHH!!!!! I CANT DO THIS!!! BRAIN EXPLODING!!!!!

Did you ever look at your life and realize you have become the tool you used to make fun of your parents for being?

I'm going home without my laptop and drinking myself into oblivion. Please excuse me.

Re:roadwarriors (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22509030)

Can we stop calling travelling salesmen 'road warriors'. Its a pathetic attempt to make very safe ordinary jobs done by people in suits sound like ninjas.
Don't EVER call a ninja a road warrior. You'll be dead before you get to "ior".

Re:roadwarriors (3, Funny)

Tibor the Hun (143056) | more than 6 years ago | (#22509202)

You're just jaded because your education consisted of the "traveling salesman" problem, towers of Hanoi, and A*, instead of "Road Warrior (Mark II)", "Impregnable Hill Fortress of Hanoi", and "Lincoln MKX with Tom-Tom".
Friday's almost here dude, take your jaded attitude to Starbucks, and have some venti latte.

Re:roadwarriors (4, Funny)

proselyte_heretic (1030466) | more than 6 years ago | (#22509262)

Actually, I am a road warrior, and the laptop I take with me on the road is a Dell XPS M2010. Once I sharpen the edges to be razer sharp, I can decapitate multiple people with a single throw. Road warriors, like all warriors, rely on weight for their stopping power. Road ninjas on the other hand prefer the Macbook Air, because they are easier to smuggle into a secure location to be used as shuriken.

Tie doesn't seem quite right - battery, processor. (3, Insightful)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 6 years ago | (#22508556)

The Macbook air won in almost all the categories you would want from a laptop:

* Being able to use it from an airline seat (Macbook Air has a shorter screen and thinner base)
* Ait has longer battery life
* Air has faster processor

The only technical aspect I could see swaying some people, the X300 has more resolution. But not much more, and the processor/battery life in particular would seem to be key to me.

Re:Tie doesn't seem quite right - battery, process (2, Insightful)

p0tat03 (985078) | more than 6 years ago | (#22508902)

Ehhh... I'm a hardcore Mac user (MacBook Pro for me)... and I disagree. One of the things that really kills me about the MacBook Air is the TOTAL lack of ports. You know, Apple was the first one to jump on the USB bandwagon, using USB HID peripherals when everyone else was still shipping them with PS/2 ports. But now, they ship a laptop with only TWO ports? The ONE thing I hate about my MacBook Pro (and the MacBook) is that it only has two USB ports, necessitating ANY serious user to get a USB hub (oh great, ANOTHER thing in the laptop bag). And now we're looking at... ONE PORT?

That to me is a dealbreaker. Especially considering that in order to use the disc drive you must plug it directly into the laptop, meaning you cannot use ANY USB PERIPHERALS while using the disc drive. Have you heard anything so ludicrous in your life?

I appreciate that Apple is concerned about the form of our electronics and not just the function, but sometimes they do take it too far. When form compromises functionality, you know you're doing something wrong!

Re:Tie doesn't seem quite right - battery, process (3, Insightful)

DDLKermit007 (911046) | more than 6 years ago | (#22509222)

Are you honestly bitching about having to lug a small usb hub? I would think you'd be bitching more about the substantially larger accessories your lugging around for no reason. The only thing I ever plug into my Macbook is a thumbdrive, and maybe my cellphone's USB charging adapter. My mouse is the Bluetooth Apple mouse, and my phone syncs via Bluetooth as well. The only thing I could possibly need to plug into my Macbook is a webcam, or DVD burner, which it already has built in!

Re:Tie doesn't seem quite right - battery, process (1)

p0tat03 (985078) | more than 6 years ago | (#22509324)

Hmm... So, thumb drive. Let's say you want to pull files off a disc and onto a USB drive with the MacBook Pro. Oops!

See, things would be wonderful if they were all Bluetooth, but they ain't. Bluetooth mice are expensive (the Mighty Mouse is a poor excuse for a mouse, IMHO), and the selection is very limited. The best mice in my experience are not Bluetooth, sadly.

Not to mention that this whole wireless thing that Apple is apparently touting doesn't quite work. My iPhone cannot sync wirelessly with my laptop, and that's aggravating, since now I need to have it use up a (precious, precious) USB port!

Us Mac users tend to bitch and moan about small inconveniences in the PC world - heavy, thick laptops, crappy power bricks, etc etc. There's no reason we should let Apple get away with this major inconvenience (i.e. lack of ports) just because they're Apple.

Re:Tie doesn't seem quite right - battery, process (1, Insightful)

diamondsw (685967) | more than 6 years ago | (#22508912)

As much as I like the MacBook Air, you neglect what happens when you get to the meeting:
  * You need to get something off a CD or DVD
  * You need to plug in ethernet as well as a USB flash drive
  * The resolution of the X300 is much, much better

If I had my way, my next laptop upgrade at work would be an X300 (I have a T60 now), and an additional personal laptop would be an Air (I have a MacBook Pro now). Toss in the high-res screen from the X300, and the Air could easily *be* my next laptop.

Re:Tie doesn't seem quite right - battery, process (1)

Maudib (223520) | more than 6 years ago | (#22508964)

"Standing up taller" is actually a double edged sword for using on an airline seat. If you are 6'4 and have large thick legs (muscular or otherwise) then a taller screen makes it harder to use. When the passenger in front puts their seat back then the taller screen has to be bent forward; because you are so tall you end up looking fown on the leading edge of the cover and cant see sh*t on the screen.

Re:Tie doesn't seem quite right - battery, process (1)

theconartist (844674) | more than 6 years ago | (#22509066)

I would say one of the big things the X300 has going for it is the TrackPoint. Trackpads are very annoying and inefficient in comparison.

I could never go back to a normal trackpad laptop after using a thinkpad. I even prefer it over a regular mouse, apart from gaming.

Re:Tie doesn't seem quite right - battery, process (2, Informative)

rjmars97 (946970) | more than 6 years ago | (#22509296)

Personally, I'd take my Thinkpad X61s over either of those. Much cheaper, faster, and (the deciding factor for me) 10 hours of battery life. The small size increase of the X61s is trivial to me when I can get MUCH longer battery. Stock OS does not matter to me either, as I use Gentoo on all of my machines.

Re:Tie doesn't seem quite right - battery, process (1)

timeOday (582209) | more than 6 years ago | (#22509384)

The X300 also had longer battery life if you remove the DVD and put a battery in there. That seems like a more fair comparison unless you're going to credit the X300 for having a DVD drive where the Air does not.

The other thing I'm surprised people aren't more concerned about is the Air's lack of a removable battery. On long trips I always run my D630 with 2 batteries and a spare so I can swap the main battery without shutting down. With my old T40, I flew from San Francisco to Taiwan this way, computing the whole way. It's the only way to survive such flights IMHO (other than buying a first class seat with a power receptical :)

The X300 review was sorely lacking any performance benchmarks. To bemoan the 60GB capacity of the drive without also measuring its (hopefully low) access time is not fair.

Re:Tie doesn't seem quite right - battery, process (2, Interesting)

dfghjk (711126) | more than 6 years ago | (#22509476)

"* Being able to use it from an airline seat (Macbook Air has a shorter screen and thinner base)"

It accomplishes this by being deeper. The X300 is shallower and taller due to its hinge design. I don't accept Mossberg's opinion that the Apple design is more airplane-friendly.

"* Ait has longer battery life"

Mossberg's MBA battery life measurement is highly suspicious. He hasn't provided any evidence that the MBA battery life for a traveler is actually better and there's plenty of reasons to feel otherwise, namely (a) lower power X300 processor, and (b) more battery options on the X300. You are wrong here.

"* Air has faster processor"

Yes it does, but the Air is crippled by its terrible hard drive and its faster processor is harder on battery life.

"The only technical aspect I could see swaying some people, the X300 has more resolution. But not much more, and the processor/battery life in particular would seem to be key to me."

Yes, resolution is a significant advantage for the X300, just not the only one. If you choose to travel with the DVD drive, as the MBA forces you to do, the X300 becomes lighter. If you choose a conventional hard disk rather than SSD, the X300 will offer a 50% larger drive. If you value battery life, the X300 offers two sizes plus a secondary battery in the DVD bay. Then there's the complete complement of IO, the cellular and the GPS options. You are again mistaken.

I love my 1+ year old Dell M1210 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22508610)

It still does everything that I need and then some. I see NO reason to buy anything else anytime soon.
  Go Dell!

Shotgun (1)

slapyslapslap (995769) | more than 6 years ago | (#22508634)

I read the title, and for a very brief moment thought I was going to see someone take a Mossberg pump shotgun to a MacBook Air. That would have been sweet!

Bigger, more expensive, has more features (1, Insightful)

edwardpickman (965122) | more than 6 years ago | (#22508664)

Well duh. That's rediculous for a review. We aren't talking splitting hairs a few dollars more it's a lot more expensive and it's larger and heavier and it's not all pluses since the Mac has more drive space. It feels more like a "Gee I prefer windows" review than a head to head match up. Until some one has a machine of a similar size and weight for a similar price then reviews are pointless. The Macbook Air does exactly what it was designed to do. You simply can't install a DVD drive inside a machine of that size with current technology but give them a few years and they'll likely be the first to do it. Remember the first iMacs had external drives. These days you pull them out of the box and plug them in and they're smaller. Each machine reviewed does a good job for what it was designed for but they are very different machines with different goals. Macbook is the smallest and lightest and it's a solid machine not a radically under powered system just so they could have bragging rights. You want to know the winner? The consumer because the Macbook Air is driving the market so the PC makers will keep pushing to copy it. By then Apple will have the next generation out but the point is everyone will benefit from them pushing the envelope. when it comes down to it it's not fair comparing PCs to Macs because most people are branded and they'll always show a preference. There are advantages to both so once again the consumer wins because there's choice. Remember the dark days of beige computers? For a lot of years they were like model Ts, you can have a computer any color so long as it's beige. A few vendors started selling black cases then suddenly you had cases available that looked like a Rebook shoe, colors and style. We need more companies pushing the break the model. The Macbook Air fits easily inside a brief case without taking up much space. It's more like throwing a thick notepad in the briefcase. That was the intent and they pulled it off and made it afordable. I find it funny that there were complaints about the price on the Macbook Air and now people are touting a more expensive machine that's bigger and heavier.

You just didn't get it (1)

JamesRose (1062530) | more than 6 years ago | (#22508978)

The consumer because the Macbook Air is driving the market so the PC makers will keep pushing to copy it. By then Apple will have the next generation out but the point is everyone will benefit from them pushing the envelope.

For Gawds sakes man! Steve Jobs must have spent hours pushing that machine in and out of that bloody envelope just to illustrate stretch it get with the programme!

It's just that... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22508670)

I don't understand why they couldn't have included the manilla envelope in EITHER product release? Why should I have to go out and buy one when they clearly advertise how well they work with a manilla envelope.

And it had better be one with the little strings to easily open and shut it...

Expensive notebook on a plane? (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | more than 6 years ago | (#22508696)

I found this an interesting comment from TFA:

Also, the ThinkPad's screen, when opened, stands significantly higher than the Mac's, so it is less usable in a coach seat on an airplane when the person in front of you reclines.

Really, how many people who are willing to spend $3,000 on a laptop are flying coach? I spent barely 1/4 of that on my laptop, and I do fly coach. If I had 4x as much income available, I think I would at least spring for business class if I had to do work on my laptop while flying...

Re:Expensive notebook on a plane? (1)

imsabbel (611519) | more than 6 years ago | (#22508822)

I do?
A single buisness class flight Europe->West Coast and back can buy you 3 macbook airs.
The total additional cost economy->buiness amounts to about $250-300 per hour you are in the plane. For that money, i can endure it. A good laptop, otoh, will be in use for many hundred hours. At that point, the price can really be worth it.

Re:Expensive notebook on a plane? (4, Insightful)

vought (160908) | more than 6 years ago | (#22508906)

Really, how many people who are willing to spend $3,000 on a laptop are flying coach?
Quite a few, actually. And the users with $3000.00 laptops whose businesses force them to fly coach are possibly even more numerous. Most laptops I see on business travel lately (about 50k miles on domestic flights since mid-January) are in the $2-3,000.00 range. I see a lot more MacBook Pros than I used to, and quite a few high-end latitudes. Occasionally a Lenovo, but they're actually rare in airports and domestic flights.

Clearly your philosophy comes from the conspicuous consumption school or spending. There are virtually no mid-class "business" seats for domestic travel in the U.S. On the vast majority of flights, only two-tier seating is available, and from my experience, First Class is filled with upgraders for two weeks from the flight date.

Not sure what airline or where you fly, but I'd pass along a bit of advice that has served me well: "Fly coach now so you can fly first class later."

Re:Expensive notebook on a plane? (2, Insightful)

bram (490) | more than 6 years ago | (#22508942)

no you wouldn't :)

I've spent 2800 (well minus taxes) Euro on my MacBook Pro. I fly economy class.
Business class is ridiculously expensive.
Also laptops last longer than a flying business 2 times.

I really don't see the advantage here... (2, Informative)

ogl_codemonkey (706920) | more than 6 years ago | (#22508760)

I'm really not sure I see the advantage of this point:
  Has USB Wireless. Winner: Lenovo X300.

Missing are Fujitsu's lightweigh Lifebooks (4, Informative)

postbigbang (761081) | more than 6 years ago | (#22508764)

I usually use Mac portables, but the ultra-lightweight, while a decided gift, also means reduced functionality. I don't want to load my stuff via a wireless connnection; it's slow and ties up the resources used.

The Lenovo when compared to the MB Air SSD version comes out nearly the same in price as might be expected, and for good Cost-of-Goods reasons.

But if you want to use a Fujitsu Lifebook, you can get a tablet-based notebook, airline usable, all the ports and guts, and a reasonably decent (Lenovo and Apple are known for theirs, sorry Dell users) and run whatever you want if it's Windows or Linux Something.

It's very cute and sexy, and if that's why you buy Apple, you'll be happy. Still, it's a stunted machine, and the Lenovo, while pretty cool, is pretty expensive, too. The Lifebook ain't cheap, but it's a contender here.

MacBookAir = Pbbbbth (1)

barbam (1134455) | more than 6 years ago | (#22508780)

For business users connecting to corporate networks the MacBook Air is about as useful as the Pet Rock.

For home users, the MacBook Air is much 'sexier' and therefore superior --- that is, if you buy into the closed-source Apple fan-boy world.

product review writing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22508790)

Oh I just love the style of these product reviewer types. They have to keep coming up with strange turns of expression so that you don't realise you're reading the same old media release again and again.

eg
small hard disk - 'a relatively paltry file-storage capacity'
too expensive - 'a hefty price tag'

Portability (0)

nbucking (872813) | more than 6 years ago | (#22509112)

Pardon me but it seems like the point about the Lenovo machine not running OS X is bad on Apple's part. Lack of portability is a major problem if you are planning to upgrade your machine. What happens when we get tired of using apple hardware? I like to keep my choices open. This is going to start to take away our choice of hardware. Slowly the selection we expect from New Egg or TigerDirect is going to get smaller. No more OCZ, EVGA, AMD, and other non-Apple choice hardware. This is part of the reason why Apple isn't as big as Microsoft. Some may say why not Linux? Because no matter how good Linux is it isn't mainstream. It will always stay independent. So in part we need people to keep buying Lenovo, Dell, and IBM. So they can keep a good variety in the market. As far as I can tell that is the only way we can keep from losing the creativity brought to the table. Nobody understands that variety is what made computers what they are today. Do people really believe Apple would be so good without that independent thinking? God save the PC! F*$k Macintosh

Compairable to begin with? (5, Insightful)

pizzach (1011925) | more than 6 years ago | (#22509118)

For a laptop that is .1 inch thinner than a regular Macbook Pro and is on average is about half an inch thicker than a Macbook Air, I fail to see how this Thinkpad is really compairable to the Macbook Air to begin with. It's like saying, "Haha, my Van can seat more than your compact car!!!" Holy crap people, regular Macbook Pros are famous for having about that much thickness and having that many ports for years.

She's Beautiful! (0, Flamebait)

chris_sawtell (10326) | more than 6 years ago | (#22509200)

  • MBA -> Neuter
  • X300 -> Female
I'd much prefer a girl on my lap.

And, btw, yes the 'TrackPoint' really is a superior way to move the cursor.

paltry? (1)

djfake (977121) | more than 6 years ago | (#22509240)

"Apple offers a MacBook Air version with the same solid-state drive for a similar high price." So what was the final outcome? And since when is 64GB paltry for a laptop? At any rate, three (3) USB ports will always win out over one (1) USB ports. X300 wins! c

Cramped? (4, Insightful)

rhade (709207) | more than 6 years ago | (#22509378)

The SSD is fast and rugged, but today it can hold only a cramped 64 gigabytes of files

I cannot imagine a 'road warrior' or any other business man ever finding that much space cramped, you could have 20 divx movies and a thousand mp3's on that hardware and still have what, a paltry 40gig left? No doubt necessary for the 32 million spreadsheets and documents you use every second of every day.

In my opinion if your not haxing l33t warez and downloading copious amounts of porn and lat3st n gr3at3st moviez my 5 yo 32gig raptor is more space than I will need for the foreseeable future.

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