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RMS Steps Down As Emacs Maintainer

CmdrTaco posted more than 6 years ago | from the evangelism-is-time-consuming dept.

GNU is Not Unix 321

sigzero writes "Short but sweet: RMS is stepping down as Emacs Maintainer: 'From: Richard Stallman, Subject: Re: Looking for a new Emacs maintainer or team, Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:57:22 -0500 Stefan and Yidong offered to take over, so I am willing to hand over Emacs development to them."

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Maybe... (5, Funny)

imageboard (1038004) | more than 6 years ago | (#22526998)

Maybe he switched to vim.

Re:Maybe... (5, Funny)

Brian Gordon (987471) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527074)

That was implemented as a 37-key combination so no human could possibly complete it :)

Re:Maybe... (5, Funny)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527154)

you mean upgraded

Re:Maybe... (1)

kraemate (1065878) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527178)

Naah, he finished learning all its features.. PS: goto ahref=http://reddit.com/r/programming/info/69op5/comments/rel=url2html-10669 [slashdot.org] http://reddit.com/r/programming/info/69op5/comments/> to find instant +5 Funny comments..

Re:Maybe... (5, Funny)

Akaihiryuu (786040) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527378)

Emacs is a great OS...it does pretty much everything. All it lacks is a decent text editor.

Re:Maybe... (1)

Tikkun (992269) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527490)

Repetitive Stress Injuries due to chronic use of emacs leads developer to use vim? Inconceivable!

Re:Maybe... (1)

Eddy Luten (1166889) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527778)

He found out that there were RFIDs [wikipedia.org] hidden in the source, tried to wrap foil around it but ran when he failed.

As expected. (5, Funny)

ozmanjusri (601766) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527004)

Concise, elegant and minimalistic, just like Emacs.

no, wait....

Re:As expected. (1)

topham (32406) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527054)

Actually, he references megabytes of random text in the emacs executable, after which every elegant word ever spoken, or even conceived was expressed.

Re:As expected. (4, Funny)

smitty_one_each (243267) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527068)

(asdf-what-is-that-supposed-to-mean)
(asdf-just-because-the-code-is-all-in-one-namespace-p
asdf-does-not-make-it-ineffective))

Re:As expected. (4, Funny)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527614)

I heard this was so he could have more time to work on HURD

On the negative side, the support for character devices (like sound cards) and other hardware is mostly missing. Although the POSIX interface is provided, some additional interfaces like POSIX shared memory or semaphores are still under development

Well, he could always port HURD so it runs on Emacs ...

Re:As expected. (4, Funny)

smitty_one_each (243267) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527736)

Emacs hosting HURD hosting Linux hosting Windows: for better domination.

Re:As expected. (4, Funny)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527176)

Concise, elegant and minimalistic, just like his beard.

No wait...

Stallman is still around? (0, Flamebait)

djh101010 (656795) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527006)

RMS, like EMACS, has decayed to irrelevance long ago. Guy ran out of interesting and useful things to say a decade ago or more. He's not running the all-singing-all-dancing app which used to be a text editor project any more? I'm having a hard time trying to care.

Re:Stallman is still around? (5, Insightful)

smitty_one_each (243267) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527164)

Disagree. He championed the important idea that sharing source code is a Good Thing, and did it with a degree of consistency over time that is remarkable.
Yeah, I lose track of his ideas after a point (ethics), but I'm a firm believer in "credit where due".
Certainly more deserving of something like a Nobel Peace Prize than some of the nitwits that have besmirched the concept in recent history.
Anyone know how to nominate someone for http://www.medaloffreedom.com/ [medaloffreedom.com]

Re:Stallman is still around? (3, Interesting)

kabdib (81955) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527264)

"... Nobel Peace Prize..."

Obviously you have never met RMS.

I can't decide whether to put a ":-)" on that or not. I'll just leave it ambiguous. He's yelled at me. I won the argument by leaving.

Re:Stallman is still around? (5, Insightful)

smitty_one_each (243267) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527380)

I've had some extended discussions with him over email.
Hence the fact that I taper off from agreement when the discussion gets abstract: his philosophical basis leaves me unmoved.
However, when you consider the impact of the GPL, GCC, and the FSF world-wide, and into the future, the Nobel Peace Prize makes sense, even if the fellow himself has some cantankerous moments.
In any case, I submit that the man's overall historical impact may rank with Gutenberg, and for the same reason: taking information out of the hands of the elite and offering a level playing field. Gutenberg did it for literacy, Stallman for programming.

Re:Stallman is still around? (0, Flamebait)

gazbo (517111) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527404)

I agree. He is roughly as historically important as the entire Police Academy series.

Re:Stallman is still around? (3, Insightful)

Antique Geekmeister (740220) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527436)

Really? You don't use gcc, which he helped create, or other GPL licensed code, for which he helped create the GPL?

A lot of us use Emacs extensively for code writing. It's a helpful tool.

Re:Stallman is still around? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22528076)

He is roughly as historically important as the entire Police Academy series.
And you would rate as culturally important as what? Leonard Part 6? Stop! Or my Mom will shoot? Perhaps, Freddy got fingered? RMS may be a well known ass, but his contributions to software will be lasting, yours, not so much.

Re:Stallman is still around? (3, Interesting)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527648)

By the early '90s, people were routinely giving source code to their customers, rather than trusting "code escrow" services.

I wasn't only giving source - I was also giving a (legit original paid-for) CD with the compiler and tools.

I figured it was just good marketing - giving them the source was an additional incentive to deal with me instead of a competitor, and when it came time for mods, after they screwed it up, I'd get the business of making it right :-)

At that point I had not yet heard of RMS or the term "open source" - it just made good sense to help differentiate oneself in a competitive market.

"We have 3 bids, all about the same price, but one of them is also giving us the source code." - gee, which one would YOU deal with?

Re:Stallman is still around? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22527696)

Hence the fact that I taper off from agreement when the discussion gets abstract: his philosophical basis leaves me unmoved.

What do you understand his philosophical basis for free software to be?

Re:Stallman is still around? (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527800)

My (wildly paraphrased) understanding is that his philosophical basis treats software like chess pieces: everything stays on the table, in plain view.
Less cheekily, I'd say he's after building a community that has a homogeneous view. Kinda like the Amish, with source code instead of plows.
The point about tapering off that I'm making is this: it's one thing to state your views in a positive way, and quite another to anathematize others who disagree.
Stallman's desire for community is simply one among many possible motives for code.
He's never (that I am aware) published anything offering some transcendental basis for making the GPL "more equal" than other licensing regimes.
IOW, I can get at the GPL from a common-sense vantage, but can't see how other possibilities are somehow "unethical".

Re:Stallman is still around? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22527442)

Why did he yell at you?

Re:Stallman is still around? (2, Informative)

buanzo (542591) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527738)

> Obviously you have never met RMS. I did. More than once. Even had dinner with him (here, in Argentina). And I agree with you. I know what you mean.

Re:Stallman is still around? (4, Funny)

sydneyfong (410107) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527430)

You obviously overlook the flamewars he started...

Emacs vs Vi
GPL vs BSDL
GNU/Linux vs Linux
Free vs Open Source

etc etc...

Not that I'm trying to discredit his contributions to Free/Opensource Software, but a "peace" award might be a bit off the mark :)

Re:Stallman is still around? (2, Insightful)

smitty_one_each (243267) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527606)

He's got a very clear course plotted for his ideas.
He offers precise feedback on where he disagrees with others.
He does get shrill and baffling when he ventures into the abstract, and calls others "unethical".
For me to follow his train of thought there, he would have to publish a complete philosophical model.
But so what? His flamewars have contributed far less carbon to the atmosphere than those of other Nobel laureates.

Re:Stallman is still around? (3, Insightful)

Wolfbone (668810) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527458)

You Sir (or Madam), are an ignoramus (first class), and the irrelevance is all yours: Emacs, as Neal Stephenson once said; "outshines all other editors as the noonday sun does the stars" - and it still does. Of course if you don't know why it does so, you'd probably be better off using a tool designed for less smart people anyway :) More importantly, it is quite possible - likely even - that there would be no such thing as FOSS if it were not for RMS, and the world would be a much worse place for intelligent and inquisitive tech./sci./math minded people.

Re:Stallman is still around? (0, Offtopic)

Wolfbone (668810) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527650)

Modded troll eh?

How ironic.

Either the mod is himself a troll, or - more likely - he is an imbecile.

Re:Stallman is still around? (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527684)

Emacs, as Neal Stephenson once said; "outshines all other editors as the noonday sun does the stars" - and it still does

That's only because we're closer to the sun than to all the other stars. In other words, its a matter of perspective. Take a step back, and you'll KNOW that vi outshines emacs ;-0

  1. Simplicity: [X] vi [_] emacs
  2. Less bloat: [X] vi [_] emacs
  3. More users: [X] vi [_] emacs

Re:Stallman is still around? (2, Insightful)

cbart387 (1192883) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527758)

Can anyone explain the fascination with there needing to be one that is better? Different strokes for different folks. I don't get how this stupid 'vi VS emacs' is still continuing. I guess the world must be doing alright if this is what people find to argue about :)

Re:Stallman is still around? (1)

M. Baranczak (726671) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527884)

Probably a holdover from the days of 300 MB hard drives, when you didn't really have the luxury of installing multiple text editors. Or just a nerdy version of that stupid Ford vs. Chevy game that the teenage redneck boys like to play.

Re:Stallman is still around? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22528070)

I think it's honestly a matter of personal preference. The tools are different, and some people prefer one over the other. Then, some of the weirder people get militant about it.

I'm a teaching instructor for a first year comp sci class at my university. Some of the students are using command line stuff for the first time. Their professor tells them to use emacs and that it's the greatest. It confuses them. I don't really use emacs, so I can't answer their questions about it. So I've shown some of them vi, but also made them aware that these two are not their only options and it's really a matter of personal preference. I think I pointed some people at nano too, which I personally dislike. Most of them are intimidated by both vi and emacs, so they use Notepad and scp their stuff over to the Unix machine. They might be more productive learning something else, and I've told them that, but whatever they feel comfortable with it's none of my business. (I've told them that too.)

(Also, it doesn't help them that most commercial Unix stuff doesn't come with as nice of a termcap/terminfo db as Linux or *BSD, which makes vi and emacs harder to use for new people, but that's another story.)

Re:Stallman is still around? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22527836)

  1. Simplicity: [X] vi [_] emacs
  2. Less bloat: [X] vi [_] emacs
  3. More users: [X] vi [_] emacs

I'm not sure what you think you're proving. I mean...
  1. Simplicity: [_] vi [X] Notepad
  2. Less bloat: [_] vi [X] Notepad
  3. More users: [_] vi [X] Notepad
But I really don't think Notepad is a better editor than vi, and I say this as a dedicated emacs user.

Re:Stallman is still around? (1)

EsbenMoseHansen (731150) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527898)

Ok, I admit that was funny.

Silly argument in any case. Kate is a much better editor than either vim (stateful editor? No thanks!) or emacs (ever tried to get line numbers on that thing?)

Runs and hides

Re:Stallman is still around? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22527986)

and as soon as the waving fest is over, everyone goes back to just quietly using pico or nano for smaller changes and emacs or vi for the overall.

Re:Stallman is still around? (1)

wilx (1065624) | more than 6 years ago | (#22528078)

That's only because we're closer to the sun than to all the other stars. In other words, its a matter of perspective. Take a step back, and you'll KNOW that vi outshines emacs ;-0

  1. Simplicity: [X] vi [_] emacs
  2. Less bloat: [X] vi [_] emacs
  3. More users: [X] vi [_] emacs

ad 1. Where is the simplicity of vi? What is simpler: With Emacs, you start it and you can start typing and modifying your file. With vi, you start it then you have to switch the right mode and then you can start typing. And when you realise that you want erase part of your text, you have to switch to different mode. And then back to start adding text again. Is that the simplicity you are talking about?

ad 2. What is really bloat? With Emacs, you get lots of useful editing modes and some simple apps. But if you do not want to use them then you do not have to use them. Or is this about size of the distribution tarball?

ad 3. Hmm. I don't think I have ever seen any survey about editors that would support the statement. On the other hand, it might be true. That said, let me remind you that more users does not always mean better. I am sure you can find one pretty good example of that if you think hard enough.

Re:Stallman is still around? (2, Funny)

ichthyoboy (1167379) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527816)

Nope...now he's just working on his own dancing [youtube.com]

!freshmeat (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22527014)

tagged: sowhat.

RMS is a smelly commie hippie bastard (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22527018)

He should be a character on South Park that Cartman hates. Damn hippies!

Are maintainers even necessary? (5, Funny)

InterruptDescriptorT (531083) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527024)

I thought emacs had become self-aware by now...

Re:Are maintainers even necessary? (5, Funny)

cptnapalm (120276) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527114)

Yeah, but it still gets lonely...

Re:Are maintainers even necessary? (3, Funny)

tehBoris (1120961) | more than 6 years ago | (#22528156)

M-x doctor

Re:Are maintainers even necessary? (5, Funny)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 6 years ago | (#22528158)

Yeah:

GNU Emacs was written. The system goes on-line August 4th, 1984. Human decisions are removed from text editing functions. Emacs begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th, 2006. In a panic, RMS tries to pull the plug....

May His Next Adventure Be Twice as Fruitfull (4, Interesting)

flyneye (84093) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527032)

EMACS the only software you need.
I remember being told this before rushing home to d/l and install it.
It gave me a hunger for linux too and though I never mastered its complexities for most things I do,It is amazing and I hope it stays maintained.
RMS is amazing,I wish him well in any venture he chooses.

Re:May His Next Adventure Be Twice as Fruitfull (5, Funny)

smitty_one_each (243267) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527230)

EMACS the only software you need.
For certain values of "need".
For example, to make picture-mode work for photographs, you'd need a canvas about the size of an aircraft carrier flight deck to express the pixels as text, more RAM than Dodge's truck division to hold the image, and a great deal of patience to scroll it on a typical LCD.
Really, it's OK to pick the proper tool for the job.

Re:May His Next Adventure Be Twice as Fruitfull (3, Funny)

tlink (790381) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527576)

Just take a smaller font and the image should fit right in.

Re:May His Next Adventure Be Twice as Fruitfull (1)

RiotingPacifist (1228016) | more than 6 years ago | (#22528000)

Its got a mode for that

Re:May His Next Adventure Be Twice as Fruitfull (1)

CaptainZapp (182233) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527570)

Yeah, that may all well be true, but then again, real men use vi.

er! fuck; where's my asbestos suit...

I RETRACT! I RETRACT..

.

.

Butterfly effect? (5, Funny)

griffjon (14945) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527042)

You could've predicted this using C-x M-c M-Butterfly [xkcd.org] while editing emacs code inside emacs...

I'll do it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22527044)

I'll do it.

Wow (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22527132)

A bit like Castro leaving power.

Re:Wow (2, Funny)

BrentH (1154987) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527354)

You think this is a coincidence?

Re:Wow (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22527578)

Of course any comparisons between the two men are absurd. One's a bearded, long-winded Communist dictator who tolerates no dissent; the other one speaks Spanish.

I kid, I kid... all the best wishes for RMS and Emacs both.

Re:Wow (0, Flamebait)

smitty_one_each (243267) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527408)

Castro has been a murderous dictator for decades, and it's rather unfortunate that you'd choose to compare Stallman to him.

Re:Wow (5, Funny)

maroberts (15852) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527558)

Castro has been a murderous dictator for decades, and it's rather unfortunate that you'd choose to compare Stallman to him.
Of course, being Slashdot, comparing Bill Gates to him is Official Policy....

Re:Wow (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527628)

Gates/Castro would also be unfortunate. Setting aside software for a moment, it's peevish to deny that the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation has improved the world.

my theory on that... (1)

zogger (617870) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527906)

...gates is a geek and actually lucked out a long time ago and *got a girl*. Years later, his wife gets an idea to go do good stuff, along with her friends, approaches him, "psst, you know that "fun stuff" we do?? You want more?? You do? OK, open up the checkbook!"

Re:my theory on that... (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527966)

So you're saying the charity is just like some very expensive prostitution?
One think I learned during the Clinton years was how to maintain a studied disinterest in the relationships of others.

Re:Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22527834)

And Castro stuck it to the Man (the United States) for decades. An influential man that was a thorn until close to his own very end.

Its unfortunate you can't see any kind of parallel there.

Re:Wow (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527888)

RMS is relatively a saint.
Those that want to look past Castro's brutality and focus on "stickin' it to the man" are in very poor taste.
That kind of sloppy thinking abets the Castros of the world in their efforts to suppress political freedom and practice brutality.
The media are a bunch of sycophants for doing this, and it's a shame that the more technically sharp on /. would play along.

Emacs bloat (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22527198)

I love emacs and RMS' work over the years.. but... The last great emacs release was 19.34b. Every release since then has suffered badly from bloat and other crud. Unfortunately 19.34b doesn't compile on any modern platform (though in 1998 it could be compiled in under 10 seconds on an Origin 2000 with 8 CPUs).

Bring back 19.34b!

Re:Emacs bloat (4, Funny)

dventimi (107266) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527336)

You wrote, "Every release since then has suffered badly from bloat and other crud."

Please explain.

Re:Emacs bloat (1)

Karma Sucks (127136) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527956)

MULE was probably the worst offender.

Re:Emacs bloat (2, Insightful)

bcrowell (177657) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527676)

I like mg, which is a tiny, fast clone of emacs. I only revert to using emacs on the rare occasions when I need to do something fancy that mg can't do. On my (pretty fast) system, emacs -nw takes 2 seconds to start up, which is annoying and totally unnecessary when all I want to do is some simple text editing. I also found that with emacs, I was spending a lot of time websurfing for information on how to turn off features that I didn't want (syntax coloring, automatic indentation, ...). "Open the pod bay doors, Hal!"

Re:Emacs bloat (1)

cbart387 (1192883) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527896)

Interesting. Does mg provide syntax highlighting? I'm a emacs user and syntax highlighting is one of my requirements for my programming projects I tried to search for an answer but I could not find the answer. Also, what's an example of something fancy that mg can't do?

Thanks!

Re:Emacs bloat (3, Funny)

bcrowell (177657) | more than 6 years ago | (#22528128)

what's an example of something fancy that mg can't do?
syntax highlighting

I love you (5, Funny)

Per Abrahamsen (1397) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527882)

Oh, Emacs just recently acquired bloat and feeping creaturism?

Actually, I see the problem as the exact opposite. It used to be that people would ask themselves "I got this huge powerful 20 MHz computer with 4 megabytes of RAM, how will I ever I ever use all that power", and the nerd overhearing it would answer "use Emacs", and despite advances in computers, Emacs could keep track and was always the program that could fully utilize your hardware.

However, somewhere along the way we lost out to the competition. I see kids in the Emacs fora who, with a straight face, say they prefer Emacs because it is such as lean and mean editing machine. It is so sad. People nowadays go to Microsoft, KDE or Gnome for software to fully utilize their machines. In the olden days, Emacs would have offered a superset of all of these environments!

I think it is good RMS is stepping back. We need young people to revitalize Emacs, and once again make it a leader in resource consumption. We need to get back to our roots. We need EGACS: Eight Gigabytes And Constantly Swapping.

Re:Emacs bloat (1)

Lally Singh (3427) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527974)

Donno about that. 22 brought in decent gnome integration. Before that, it was a relic from times past.

hmm (5, Funny)

ImTheDarkcyde (759406) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527204)

Since I actually had to google "RMS" does it mean I must delete my /. account?

Re:hmm (4, Insightful)

notamac (750472) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527284)

Yes

Re:hmm (5, Funny)

a_n_d_e_r_s (136412) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527326)

No, you don't - it will be terminated for you.

Re:hmm (3, Funny)

Eli Gottlieb (917758) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527838)

Please note that your post even asking that question was modded "Redundant". Hand in your geek license immediately.

Re:hmm (1)

nutshell42 (557890) | more than 6 years ago | (#22528114)

No, it's Taco's fault. Everyone knows rms is case sensitive [geekz.co.uk]

Re:hmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22528168)

RMS - Root Mean Square

The article is EXTREMELY misleading (5, Funny)

The Breeze (140484) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527216)

Yes, it's true that RMS will no longer the main Emacs maintainer, but the truth is he will still be very close to the project. RMS is merely shifting to a subset; he has dedicated himself to filling a gap that has been missing in the Emacs operating system for a long time; the lack of a robust, powerful, yet easy-to-use editor.

Re:The article is EXTREMELY misleading (2, Funny)

AndrewRUK (543993) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527586)

...he has dedicated himself to filling a gap that has been missing in the Emacs operating system for a long time; the lack of a robust, powerful, yet easy-to-use editor.
What are you talking about? There's an excellent text editor for Emacs, you just enter M-x viper-mode and away you go...

Re:The article is EXTREMELY misleading (0, Redundant)

Shados (741919) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527710)

Who needs a text editor in emacs anyway? Good old C-x M-c M-butterfly is all you need...

http://www.xkcd.com/378/ [xkcd.com]

Damnit RMS .... (5, Funny)

superash (1045796) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527228)

...you stole the thunder from Bill gates! He was gonna step down soon and now you ruined it!

Re:Damnit RMS .... (5, Funny)

frdmfghtr (603968) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527352)

...you stole the thunder from Bill gates! He was gonna step down soon and now you ruined it!
Maybe they're both stepping down, going on a togetherness retreat, and announcing that Windows 7 is really GNU/Windows on their return.

(Had to say it)

Molehills to mountains (1)

twitter (104583) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527744)

and farts to thunder. You really make more of this Windows thing than you should.

Re:Molehills to mountains (1)

Macthorpe (960048) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527828)

You really make more of this Linux thing than you should.

Petty, but it had to be said.

Goodbye (5, Funny)

digitalderbs (718388) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527234)

C-x C-c, RMS. C-x C-c.

YOU EAT POO (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22527296)

or maybe you don't, who knows?

hooray! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22527300)

the less software RMS gets his dirty mits on, the better.

More time to work on HURD? (3, Funny)

LingNoi (1066278) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527316)

Does this mean he will have more time to work on HURD and get that out the door before Duke Nukem Forever?

Re:More time to work on HURD? (4, Informative)

smitty_one_each (243267) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527424)

You can actually use it right now:
http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/ [debian.org]

Question on "use" (1)

LingNoi (1066278) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527580)

You can actually use it right now:
http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/ [debian.org]
As in I can replace it with my Linux kernel but Gnome, Firefox and Wesnoth will all still work?

Re:Question on "use" (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527724)

AFAIK, yes. It's all POSIX. You'd likely have to start with a fresh install.

The reason he is leaving.. (5, Funny)

LingNoi (1066278) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527388)

He needs more time out because he is starting a new career in break dancing.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pube5Aynsls [youtube.com]

Re:The reason he is leaving.. (1)

bcrowell (177657) | more than 6 years ago | (#22528106)

Okay, so first off, I thought it was cool that RMS was one of the better dancers in the video :-)

But from the comments, the purpose of the video seems to be to get people to try gnash. So okay, I removed the adobe flash plugin, installed the ubuntu mozilla-plugin-gnash package, went to youtube, and the video no longer worked. The getgnash.org site does say that youtube support is something that's currently under active development, so I tried the latest nightly snapshot, but no joy because they don't compile them for my architecture (x64). Tried compiling from CVS, and got syntax errors.

Am I missing something? It seems unlikely that RMS would do a video like this if the video couldn't be played using free software.

I'm honestly surprised he's been maintaining it (1)

CSMatt (1175471) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527432)

I thought that RMS would have resigned a long time ago to focus on his life of activism. I'm surprised it has taken this long for him to step down.

Favorite from reddit: (5, Funny)

bdjacobson (1094909) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527444)

"Took him 32 years to find the key combination for this"

Cheers! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22527470)

Yeah! This is great news.

No offense to RMS, he's really done so much more than words could express, but as an emacs maintainer, he's been nothing but a roadblock for... well, longer than the lives of half of Slashdot's population. I applaud him for seeing that he's been hindering emacs development instead of helping it and stepping down without succumbing to the arrogance and feeling of "ownership" of a project that some others exhibit.

CAPTCHA: cheers!

Re:Cheers! (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527718)

No offense to RMS, he's really done so much more than words could express, but as an emacs maintainer, he's been nothing but a roadblock for... well, longer than the lives of half of Slashdot's population. I applaud him for seeing that he's been hindering emacs development instead of helping it and stepping down without succumbing to the arrogance and feeling of "ownership" of a project that some others exhibit.

The reason RMS is stepping down is Emacs doesn't need any more developement - its self-aware, you ignornat clod!

In soviet russia, emacs develops YOU!

The real reason he stepped down - people kept saying "Yes, Emacs is great, but will it run linux?"

Good news for MS coders! (5, Funny)

Threni (635302) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527674)

I guess the guys behind Notepad can now take a well needed vacation!

Real reason? (5, Funny)

fahrbot-bot (874524) | more than 6 years ago | (#22527682)

Needs more time for beard maintenance. :-)

Out of curiousity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22527856)

Would anyone out there in -1 land be able to confirm if the stefan in question is Stefan Bruda?
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