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Pakistan Blocks YouTube

Soulskill posted more than 6 years ago | from the out-of-sight-out-of-mind dept.

Censorship 648

Multiple readers have written to tell us of news that Pakistan has ordered its ISPs to block access to YouTube "for containing blasphemous web content/movies." This follows increasing unrest in Pakistan over a Danish newspaper's reprinting of cartoons which depict Islam in a less-than-favorable light. The cartoons also sparked controversy when they were first published a few years ago.

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Lets bring these people up to speed (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22536266)

We really need to bring these people up to speed with the 21st century. What's the best way to do it? Just start trading with them like anyone else, it's not their fault that they are a bunch of ignorant, gullible sheep (cue the "omg its like teh USA!!!1" comments).

Yes it will take time to achieve any results, but economic prosperity and theism are inversely related, and theism in places like Pakistan is really fucked up and needs to be eliminated or at least marginalized.

Re:Lets bring these people up to speed (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22536294)

I'm waiting for the moral relativists to chime in. It's always amusing. This one will be easier to rationalize for them than things like female genital mutilation or the stoning to death of women because they were raped. Still, it might be fun to watch the verbal tapdance that will ensue.

Re:Lets bring these people up to speed (3, Insightful)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536384)

So... why is [i]male[/i] genital mutilation still acceptable in the USA?

Re:Lets bring these people up to speed (-1, Offtopic)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536424)

Oh fuck, I forgot... no phpBB-style markup allowed here. Damn.

Re:Lets bring these people up to speed (0, Offtopic)

LeoDavinci578 (795523) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536634)

Remind me what is wrong with circumcision? It may have religious roots, but I do believe that it has some medical benefits as well.

Re:Lets bring these people up to speed (5, Insightful)

Wonko the Sane (25252) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536702)

Remind me what is wrong with circumcision?
The kids don't get to decide if they want a perfectly healthy part of their body removed.

Re:Lets bring these people up to speed (-1, Flamebait)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536860)

The kids don't get to decide if they want a perfectly healthy part of their body removed.
This is the one good point that the anti-circumcision crowd has.

But... it is such small potatoes compared to all of the other things that a parent is responsible for that I can't believe that it gets any attention at all. Education has a lot more impact on a child. Nutrition. Home life. Television. In fact, just about every facet of a child's upbringing has a larger impact than whether or not a little sliver of skin is cut off. People keep saying, "There is no conclusive evidence that circumcision is medically advantageous." Well, there's no conclusive evidence that it is harmful either, now is there? Where's that study?

Seriously, let's move on to an issue that matters.

Re:Lets bring these people up to speed (4, Insightful)

garett_spencley (193892) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536780)

Study after study has found no significant health benefits sufficient enough to warrant circumcision. The American Medical Association no longer recommends the procedure and Ontario Public Health Care no longer pays for it.

It is technically true that cases of penile cancer are virtually unheard of in males with circumcision, but then again, penile cancer is SO RARE to begin with that it even begs the question of whether or not the sample size is large enough to be conclusive.

And of course, like the other poster pointed out, the children have no say in whether or not a perfectly healthy part of their body is permanently removed.

Re:Lets bring these people up to speed (2, Interesting)

Wonko the Sane (25252) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536888)

Study after study has found no significant health benefits sufficient enough to warrant circumcision.
No one wants to admit any more that the primary health benefit for which circumcision was made popular in the USA was to "cure" masturbation. That, along with cornflakes [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Lets bring these people up to speed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22536804)

If it's for a medical reason then the adult mutilating the child's genital is presumably doing it for the child's own good. The same can't be said about religious rituals. Some claim it's more hygenic but I think it's better to use a little soap and water myself.

Ignoring the differences between the two... (4, Insightful)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536492)

Why is presenting "Bad Thing B" in answer to "Bad Thing A" still considered a acceptable method of debate?

Re:Ignoring the differences between the two... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22536594)

I agree that it's not acceptable method of debate, but this is not one of the cases in which it is used.

You seem to think that female genital mutilation is "Bad Thing A" and male genital mutilation is "Bad Thing B", while in reality they are the same thing: "Bad Thing C". GP was highlighting the false reasoning used to arrive at the conclusion that female genital mutilation = bad, male genital mutilation = good.

You can think of it like this: if "Bad Thing A" was killing black people is OK and "Bad Thing B" was killing anyone else is OK, then I think the only reasonable response is: they are both wrong.

Re:Lets bring these people up to speed (5, Insightful)

@madeus (24818) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536880)

So... why is male genital mutilation still acceptable in the USA?
That's certainly something that illudes me.

I'm leaning towards "the parents who do that do their children are ignorant and unthinking, and don't realize it's a practice that's consider barbaric - and is illegal - in more enlightened European countries" and "the commercial nature of the US healthcare system has lead to hospitals routinely carry out entirely unnecessary cosmetic surgery - even when it's harmful to the patient - because it's profitable".

Religious zealots have certainly managed to brainwash the US populace on this one, to convince them it's a "morally acceptable" practice, even a humorous thing to discuss if you've had your genitals mutilated. In reality, it's an outdated, entirely unnecessary, damaging and irreparable act of barbarism - IMO anyone carrying out this practice on children should be locked up (and, if a medical practitioner, have their license permanently revoked).

If grown adults want to have this procedure carried out on themselves then, apart from undergoing some counciling, they may as well be allowed to have it carried out by someone qualified. If indeed grown adults were left to make the decision for themselves, I think the percentage of people who would volunteer for this practice would be tiny and the industry around it would almost completely die out in the US (apart from within certain specific religious groups).

Fat chance of much change on that front happening in the US though.

Here in the UK it's illegal to carry out the practice, with a caveat: When it can be proven before a judge that a the child is likely to suffer as a result and both parents agree they want it carried out (e.g. if the child is Jewish or Muslim and likely to be teased, harassed or singled out by their cultural peers and so in some way negatively impacted as a result of the operation not being carried out) then it may be carried out (but Doctors or Surgeons are not obligated to carry it out, and may refuse to do it, that it's a violation of the Hippocratic Oath being a common citation as grounds for refusal).

While I can appreciate on the surface this is an attempt to reach some pragmatic accommodation, I think this is the wrong approach and the law needs to be changed here too. I don't see medically unnecessary cosmetic surgery on children's genitals as acceptable, full stop. It's systematic of the UK justice system though - in the eyes of the populace the government rarely deals with the perpetrators of crimes directly or appropriately - it's easier just to tell the rest of us to change our behaviors to fit in with however they have redefined the problem.

Re:Lets bring these people up to speed (3, Funny)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536416)

We really need to bring these people up to speed with the 21st century. What's the best way to do it?
Three weeks of heavy meteorite bombardment followed by moving in a new population of sane people.

Re:Lets bring these people up to speed (5, Insightful)

melikamp (631205) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536754)

People do not like to admit it about genocide, but if you do it thoroughly, then it actually works, i.e. solves all problems relating to the unpleasant minority, once and for all. You know what is really ironic? That USians modded the parent +funny, whereas it really should be +insightful. Once you get it into your head that it is your Progress-given mission to bring some sovereign people into the 21-st century, genocide is an obvious answer. Bush would wipe Iraq clean if he could, a long time ago (he obviously does not give a shit about 1M Iraqis, almost all of them civilians, dieing due to war, why would he care about 25M?), but US is not powerful enough to do that with conventional weapons, nor does it have enough clout to get away with it.

How about, instead of "bringing Arabs democracy" and "liberating them from an archaic religion", you liberate them from economic oppression and let them decide what to do with their own oil? Switch to alternative energy sources, perhaps? Develop a defensive military strategy, which should work just fine, as you are on your own frigging continent? Just my 2 cents.

Re:Lets bring these people up to speed (4, Insightful)

rucs_hack (784150) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536728)

The best thing that could be done with Pakistan is to raise the number of books people read.

Many people there, if they read at all, read religious texts only.

That's your problem. If they had a wider experience in the written word, they wouldn't be so easily led by Clerics with an agenda.

Re:Lets bring these people up to speed (1)

Lord Kano (13027) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536908)

Yes it will take time to achieve any results, but economic prosperity and theism are inversely related, and theism in places like Pakistan is really fucked up and needs to be eliminated or at least marginalized.

Yeah, because we all know that making money is the only thing that matters in life.

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Screw Mohammed. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22536270)

Fuck Islam.

Re:Screw Mohammed. (-1, Redundant)

tfiedler (732589) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536306)

DITTO.

Re:Screw Mohammed. (0, Flamebait)

macdaddy357 (582412) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536592)

Ha Ha! Those wacky Pakis. Will civilization ever be established in Muslim countries, or will they be savages forever?

Re:Screw Mohammed. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22536704)

Spain translates more foreign texts into Spanish in one year, that all the Middle East countries combined (Israel not included). Maybe this has something to do with the dominate religion?

Re:Screw Mohammed. (5, Insightful)

rustalot42684 (1055008) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536406)

Fuck you. Banning Youtube is stupid, but that doesn't mean that Islam itself is bad. There are lots of tolerant Muslim people out there.

Re:Screw Mohammed. (1, Funny)

CRCulver (715279) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536472)

There are lots of tolerant Muslim people out there.

Where are they hiding?

Re:Screw Mohammed. (4, Insightful)

ushering05401 (1086795) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536616)

"Where are they hiding?"

In plain sight. By virtue of not being fanatical jihad-monkeys they tend to blend in pretty well with their surroundings just like peaceful Jews, Christians, Wiccans, etc..

Or did you not know that Muslims can look just like anyone else, speak reasonably, and contribute positively to their communities in unassuming and humble manners?

Hell, if nothing else it is nice having Muslims in your community because their bodegas are open on Christian holidays. Try getting out in the real world once in a while.

Re:Screw Mohammed. (1, Insightful)

CRCulver (715279) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536664)

In plain sight. By virtue of not being fanatical jihad-monkeys they tend to blend in pretty well with their surroundings just like peaceful Jews, Christians, Wiccans, etc..

And yet from these supposedly assimilated folks a disturbingly large amount of funding flows to the Middle East, and they don't seem to protest much when Wahhabi hate literature starts to be distributed in their community.

Re:Screw Mohammed. (4, Insightful)

ushering05401 (1086795) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536788)

"And yet from these supposedly assimilated folks a disturbingly large amount of funding flows to the Middle East, and they don't seem to protest much when Wahhabi hate literature starts to be distributed in their community."

Immigrant populations send money home and will continue to do so until exchange rates don't make it profitable to come live in western nations while supporting families elsewhere. Most of that money is going to families who are trying to make do in their ancestral homeland, not terrorist organizations.

As for hate literature, I have yet to see this happen in my community. On the contrary there are minimum two major interfaith events a year co-sponsored by the largest local mosque and the largest local synagogue not to mention the year end Unitarian celebration that includes Buddhists, Jews, Muslims, Christians, and anyone else who wants to attentd.

All I have to cite for you is my personal experience gathered while living across the USA in places like L.A., N.Y.C., and now New England. Each of these places has visible Muslim populations, and the examples of interfaith cooperation are everywhere for anyone who cares to look.

The only really dangerous experience I have had with a religious group was with the 'Black Israelites' in NYC. And anyone who has dealt with them will tell you that there homegrown religious threats as virulent as any imported Muslim variety.

Re:Screw Mohammed. (1)

jdfox (74524) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536802)

>And yet from these supposedly assimilated folks a disturbingly large amount of funding flows to the Middle East

From all of them? You speak as if they all acted in lock-step. Got any sources for that assertion covering billions of people?

>and they don't seem to protest much when Wahhabi hate literature starts to be distributed in their community.

There's that word "they" again. And how would you know? Why would "they" protest on the TV news? Would that reach the people to whom the message needs to reach? The Muslims that I've seen campaigning against extremism wisely avoid the media spotlight, knowing that their words would be twisted against them, and be used to whip up fear.

Re:Screw Mohammed. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22536886)

Sorry to burst your bubble, but no theist can speak reasonably.

Re:Screw Mohammed. (1)

xtracto (837672) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536656)

For one, I met a guy who was doing his PhD here in the UK in the same office as me. The guy was from Sudan and he used to get on his knees and pray at certain times in the office. I did not care, in fact I thought it was cool (however I consider myself quite cosmopolite, being from Mexico and living in the UK). I am also currently sharing an office with people from Syria and Iran, they are really nice people and very tolerant. Of course this is people who is trying to achieve their PhD so, their education level might not be the standard one of that country. Of course, if we think about the "standard" american, they are pretty much intolerant themselves.

Re:Screw Mohammed. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22536482)

Yeah, even I agree and I live in sharia-land... oh sorry, Britain.

Re:Screw Mohammed. (3, Insightful)

gad_zuki! (70830) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536510)

>There are lots of tolerant Muslim people out there.

Maybe but there sure isnt enough of them to say "Hey, lets do away with theocracy." The fact that theocratic governments are allowed makes me think that they arent as 'tolerant' as people like you claim.

Cue the moral relativist crowd and the people who are going to reply to this by blaming western powers in 3.. 2.. 1..

If you're like me... (1)

deesine (722173) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536826)

then you don't have a problem separating the religion from the people who follow it. The fact is: there is not one school of Islamic jurisprudence that does not advocate warfare and subjugation of unbelievers. Fortunately the vast majority of Muslims, like members of all mainstream faiths, do not, in large numbers, strictly follow their own doctrine.

Re:Screw Mohammed. (1)

herriojr (792305) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536900)

I know this has nothing to do with it, but I'm in Silicon Valley and I can't even ping youtube. Is anyone else having this issue?

Lucky they're not offended by the Bible (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22536308)

Thousands of years of getting offended by the same thing over and over again every time it is republished might have made them look a bit whiny.

It's stupid anyway. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22536576)

I'm a Christian, I only mention that because I am in no way offended by images of Jesus. Sure, the depictions are probably massively wrong (white man, blue eyes, long hair) but they don't offend me. I just don't get why an image can be so offensive. Muslims are massively protective of Mohammed for some reason - remember the british school teacher who Saudi wanted executed because she allowed the class teddy-bear to be called Mohammed?

They're insane in that regard.

Hmm. (0, Flamebait)

Creepy Crawler (680178) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536316)

I didn't know their public was even on the internet. I thought that was one of those countries where owning a modem was like a 5 year prison sentence.

Oh well.

Re:Hmm. (0)

LinuxInDallas (73952) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536642)

Well guys, before you mod this guy "Flamebait" let us please consider that they just banned YouTube. His comment isn't that far off.

Morocco tried to block YouTube once... (4, Interesting)

interactive_civilian (205158) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536320)

Morocco tried to block YouTube about a year and a half ago, because there were videos either making fun of the King or criticizing him.

The block didn't last long because so many people were (figuratively) up in arms about it. Given the amount of "non-offensive" material (i.e. in this case, material not criticizing the king), the government realized their own stupidity and realized it would be better to have a placated populous than risk unrest over such a small thing.

Are there parallels here? Possibly not, because I guess the blocks are for different reasons. However, it's not like a large amount of YouTube is about the comic or other representations of Mohammed, so... It will be interesting to see if the people cry out and how the government responds...

Re:Morocco tried to block YouTube once... (2, Informative)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536608)

I'm pretty sure that was Turkey, not Morocco. I remember because quite a few blog posts in Turkey syndicated my anti-blocking instructions [slashdot.org] . I'm probably a fugitive there for having a minor amount of technical knowledge. :-P

Re:Morocco tried to block YouTube once... (2, Informative)

Bootvis (913169) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536862)

I'm pretty sure no one insulted the Turkish king because Turkey is a republic. I think it is quite possible both countries blocked Youtube at some moment. (and of course stopped blocking after realizing this is a bad idea)

Re:Morocco tried to block YouTube once... (2, Informative)

wenchmagnet (745079) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536660)

I am posting from within Pakistan, youtube is accessible again.

Re:Morocco tried to block YouTube once... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22536924)

Enjoy your exploding cripples and 8th century cilivisation, islamofag!

The offending content (4, Informative)

broothal (186066) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536322)

Re:The offending content (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22536518)

Well, if that's all that it's for, then at least I can laugh at it.

Re:The offending content (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22536678)

Islam is a religion of peace, and if you don't agree... WE'LL KILL YOU!!!!!!

Re:The offending content (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22536844)

That makes me think of a terrorist losing the turban and sporting a beehive hair style and, before blowing himself up, shouting 'I kill you in the name of His Divine Shadow!!!'

God (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22536326)

Religion just poisons everything. Did you know polio was on the verge of going the way of smallpox until a bunch of imams declared the vaccinations to be an evil plot? Now there's kids all over the Islamic world with polio. Really fucking great.

We need a night of long knives where every imam, every priest, every rabbi, every religious "leader" wakes up with a slit throat.

Enough of this shit, man. Fucking enough already.

Re:God (1)

Broken scope (973885) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536450)

Doesn't religious persecution tend to kill the moderates and breed more radicals?

Re:God (2, Funny)

Knave75 (894961) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536528)

Doesn't religious persecution tend to kill the moderates and breed more radicals?

It is true, I used to be a moderate secularist, but now I'm a rabid and radical anti-religion zealot.

Islam - Always Used to Getting its Own Way (1, Insightful)

Apple Acolyte (517892) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536332)

As a religion Islam is the petulant, spoiled bully child on the playground - always accustomed to getting what it wants. If it doesn't get its own way, it resorts to acts of barbaric aggression.

Re:Islam - Always Used to Getting its Own Way (3, Insightful)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536380)

Ain't just Islam, Christianity (or take any religion of your liking) would react the same way if it had the political backing.

The current situation dictates that a lot of oil is in the hands of people who could get a tad bit upset if you don't let them have what they want, at least in terms of free speech. Free speech isn't listed at the NY stock exchange, so it's worth less than losing business with such countries.

Re:Islam - Always Used to Getting its Own Way (1)

Apple Acolyte (517892) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536466)

To a certain extent you're right about Christianity but wrong about religions in general. Christianity hasn't acted that way in hundreds of years. Such behavior is condoned to a much greater extent in Islamic belief, where the manifest goal is global domination (institution of Sharia in all countries). Christianity teaches its followers to spread their faith, but the core message contained therein is much more peaceful. Judaism commands the nation of Israel to impose Jewish sovereignty over the land of Israel but only there and nowhere else.

Re:Islam - Always Used to Getting its Own Way (1)

pha7boy (1242512) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536470)

Ain't just Islam, Christianity (or take any religion of your liking) would react the same way if it had the political backing

It does react the same way - just look at the way Christian groups react to various political things from abortion, to gay marriage, to pre-marital sex, to competition from other religions.

Re:Islam - Always Used to Getting its Own Way (1)

cbart387 (1192883) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536732)

Emphasis mine...

Ain't just Islam, Christianity (or take any religion of your liking) would react the same way if it had the political backing
It does react the same way - just look at the way Christian groups react to various political things from abortion, to gay marriage, to pre-marital sex, to competition from other religions.
Notice what you did. You went from comparing the religion to the groups. My point is, don't blame the religion for the reactions of individuals.

In my opinion, that attitude displayed by Christians is counter to Christianity. Assuming you believe in Christianity, God gives us (humans) a free will. Because of this, I don't believe there should be laws that constrain an individual when they're not infringing on other people. So, gay marriage, to pre-marital sex, to competition from other religions, go far it. Abortion is a tough one though, and frankly I stay away from it because it's too complicated of an issue to say I'm absolutely certain either way. There's so many mitigating factors...

Gay marriage is a funny one because there's the religious/spiritual aspect of it (for some people) and the legalistic part of it (the state recognizing it). I don't think that the legalistic part of it should be affected the religious part. You don't have to get married in a church so why should the state stop people from getting financial benefits for living together. Who cares if you don't believe in it or not. It's not hurting you.

Close-minded Christians make the rest of us look bad, and they tend to be more vocal. :/

Re:Islam - Always Used to Getting its Own Way (2, Interesting)

RobotRunAmok (595286) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536446)

As a religion Islam is the petulant, spoiled bully child on the playground - always accustomed to getting what it wants. If it doesn't get its own way, it resorts to acts of barbaric aggression.

naah, it's worse than that. It gets its own way, in countries throughout the world where there is Sharia. Jeez, how many religions would like to have the government make laws in lock-step with their teachings? All of 'em! But Islam is not content with the countries whose laws and mores it already directly affects, it wants to control the 21st Century nations as well.

But I'm a glass-half-full kinda guy, so let's look at the bright side: There is no better incentive for the West to pursue alternate energy sources than the opportunity that represents to stem the tide of Islamic Imperialism.

Re:Islam - Always Used to Getting its Own Way (3, Insightful)

CRCulver (715279) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536508)

There is no better incentive for the West to pursue alternate energy sources than the opportunity that represents to stem the tide of Islamic Imperialism.

That the Muslim communities in the Netherlands, France, Sweden etc. have been so easily radicalized suggests that the barbarians are already inside the gates. Stemming the tide of Islamic imperialism means not only reducing the power of Middle Eastern theocracies (mainly Saudi Arabia), but ensuring that immigrant communities in the EU assimilate as well.

Re:Islam - Always Used to Getting its Own Way (1)

jdfox (74524) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536872)

The Muslim communities of the Netherlands, France, Sweden have been radicalized? The whole community, in each country? Where did you read that?

Re:Islam - Always Used to Getting its Own Way (1)

CRCulver (715279) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536912)

Problems with violence among Muslim immigrants in Parisian suburbs and in Malmö are well-documented. Nowhere did I claim the whole community was radicalized, but whenever violence flares up its obvious that there are already enough people who refuse to assimilate to cause considerable problems for social stability.

Re:Islam - Always Used to Getting its Own Way (1)

Azuma Hazuki (955769) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536568)

Normally I'd post a paragraph or so on how Islam is the way it is because it's a polity, not just a religion, and that Christianity would be just as bad if it hadn't domesticated itself through centuries of success, but I'm really getting sick of all this religiously-motivated bullshit. So I will just say this:

Dear Muslims: Let's make a deal. We will stop offending you by making fun of your prophet when you stop offending us by blowing up our people and buildings. Until then, you can bite my shiny metal ass. Love, Hazuki.

WHY IS THIS IN POLITICS????!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22536334)

The Slashdot FAQ clearly states [slashdot.org] this section was "for news relevant to United States government politics."

This story concerns Pakistan only, it has nothing to do with the US or US government.

The editors should be following their own rules.

Re:WHY IS THIS IN POLITICS????!!! (2, Insightful)

Shikaku (1129753) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536378)

Youtube is in the USA. Owned by Google to be more precise. They are banning something from USA politics.

Re:WHY IS THIS IN POLITICS????!!! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22536484)

The editors should be following their own rules.

You must be new here.

Re:WHY IS THIS IN POLITICS????!!! (1)

Zedekiah (1103333) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536682)

If you think that what goes on in the middle east does not affect your politics, you need a wake up call.

Cover Story (4, Insightful)

pinkocommie (696223) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536338)

The danish thing has been going on for a while, it took them this long to ban it for that?
Otoh there were elections a few days ago and there were multiple clips about rigging that happened in the election.
Forward to 1:20 [youtube.com] or just search for pakistan rigging
What's the more probable cause for the ban?

Re:Cover Story (5, Interesting)

siriusnova (535993) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536650)

Yes I have to agree with you on this.

As a Pakistani who has spent considerable amount of time in and out of the country, this blocking has absolutely nothing to do with "blasphemous content".

The reality is that right now in Pakistan there are serious allegations of vote rigging going around, the Military Junta in its usual dictatorial form has to find a cover story to block news about any vote rigging as they already do the same with the regular news media. They blocked the biggest Pakistani News TV being broadcast from Dubai, GEO TV, a few months ago over the news station airing reports critical of the current government.

I really doubt 90% of Pakistanis even care about the cartoons, this is really an excuse to hide under their real motivations, ie vote rigging.

There are tons of websites that can be stated as "blasphemous" however none of them are blocked, so why block youtube, especially at this point in time.

Reeks of a CYA cover story to me.

Dark ages are all theirs if they want (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22536342)

I think if they're so hellbent on censoring everything that offends their religion and interrupting everything else that matters in the process, they are welcome to throw their civilization back centuries behind the rest of the world.

Re:Dark ages are all theirs if they want (1, Interesting)

computechnica (171054) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536746)

They would be happy to go back to the dark ages, but want to take you and the rest the World with em 'cause Mohamed said So!
The Quran, virtually on every page, is a manifesto for religious intolerance. -- Sam Harris [skepticsan...dbible.com] 1. Don't bother to warn the disbelievers. Allah has blinded them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 2:6 2. Allah has sickened their hearts. A painful doom is theirs because they lie. 2:10 3. Allah has blinded the disbelievers. 2:17-18 4. A fire has been prepared for the disbelievers, whose fuel is men and stones. 2:24 5. Disbelievers will be burned with fire. 2:39, 2:90 6. Allah stamped wretchedness upon the Jews because they killed the prophets and disbelieved Allah's revelations. 2:61 7. Only those Jews and Christians who convert to Islam will be rewarded with heaven. 2:62 8. Allah turned the Sabbath-breaking Jews into apes. 2:65-66 9. If you believe in only part of the Scripture, you will suffer in this life and go to hell in the next. 2:85 10. Allah has cursed them for their unbelief. 2:88 11. The curse of Allah is on disbelievers. 2:89 12. Jews are the greediest of all humankind. They'd like to live 1000 years. But they are going to hell. 2:96 13. Allah is an enemy to the disbelievers. 2:98 14. Only evil people are disbelievers. 2:99 15. For disbelievers is a painful doom. 2:104 16. For unbelievers: ignominy in this world, an awful doom in the next. 2:114 17. "And thou wilt not be asked about the owners of hell-fire." (They are the non-muslims.) 2:119 18. Disbelievers are losers. 2:121 19. Allah will leave the disbelievers alone for a while, but then he will compel them to the doom of Fire. 2:126 20. "Who forsaketh the religion of Abraham save him who befooleth himself?" Cited in the Hamas Charter (Article 27) to condemn the idea of a secular state. 2:130 21. Those who reject the proofs, are accursed of Allah. 2:159 22. Those who die disbelievers, are cursed by Allah, angels, and men. 2:161 23. The doom of the disbelievers will not be lightened. 2:162 24. They will not emerge from the Fire. 2:167 25. Disbelievers will be deaf, dumb, and blind. 2:171 26. Those who hide the Scripture will have their bellies eaten with fire. Theirs will be a painful doom. 2:174 27. How constant are they in their strife to reach the Fire! 2:175 28. Believers must retaliate. Those who transgress will have a painful doom. 2:178 29. Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kil them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2 30. Fight them until "religion is for Allah." 2:193 31. Those who fail in their duty to Allah are proud and sinful. They will all go to hell. 2:206 32. War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not. 2:216 33. Those who die in their disbelief will burn forever in the Fire. 2:217 34. Intermarriage is forbidden. 2:221 35. The disbelievers, they are the wrong-doers. 2:254 36. Disbelievers worship false gods. The will burn forever in the Fire. 2:257 37. Allah does not guide disbelievers. 2:264 38. "Give us victory over the disbelieving folk." 2:286 39. Those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah, theirs will be a heavy doom. 3:4 40. Those who disbelieve will be fuel for the Fire. 3:10 41. Those who disbelieve shall be overcome and gathered unto Hell. 3:12 42. Non-muslims will be punished by Allah for their nonbelief. 3:19 43. Those who disbelieve, promise them a painful doom. 3:21 44. "They [Christians and Jews] say: The Fire will not touch us save for a certain number of days. That which they used to invent hath deceived them regarding their religion." (The Fire will burn them forever.) 3:24 45. Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. 3:28 46. Allah loveth not the disbelievers. 3:32 47. Allah will punish disbelievers in this world and the next. They will have no helpers. 3:56 48. Don't believe anyone who is not a Muslim. 3:73 49. Theirs will be a painful doom. 3:77 50. All non-Muslims will be rejected by Allah after they die. 3:85 51. Disbelievers will be cursed by Allah, angels, and men. They will have a painful doom. 3:87-88 52. Disbelievers will have a painful doom. And they will have no helpers. 3:91 53. Disbelievers will have their faces blackened on the last day. They will face an awful doom. 3:105-6 54. Those who disbelieve will be burnt in the Fire. 3:116 55. Don't be friends with non-Muslims. They all hate you and want to ruin you. 3:118 56. The Fire is prepared for disbelievers. 3:131 57. Give us victory over the disbelieving folk. 3:147 58. We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Their habitation is the Fire 3:151 59. "Is one who followeth the pleasure of Allah as one who hath earned condemnation from Allah, whose habitation is the Fire?" Unbelievers will burn forever in the Fire. 3:162 60. Theirs will be an awful doom. 3:176 61. Disbelievers do not harm Allah, but will have a painful doom. 3:177 62. Disbelievers will go to Hell. 3:196 63. Those who disobey Allah and his messenger will be burnt with fire and suffer a painful doom. 4:14 64. For the disbelievers and those who make a last-minute conversion, Allah has prepared a painful doom. 4:18 65. For disbelievers, We prepare a shameful doom. 4:37 66. Allah has cursed them for their disbelief. 4:46 67. Those who ascribe a partner to Allah (like Christians do with Jesus and the Holy Spirit) will not be forgiven. They have "invented a tremendous sin." 4:48, 4:116 68. Those who invent lies about Allah are guilty of flagrant sin. 4:50 69. Jews and Christians believe in idols and false deities, yet they claim to be more rightly guided than Muslims. 4:51 70. "Those (Christians and Jews) are they whom Allah hath cursed." 4:52 71. Hell is sufficient for their burning. 4:55 72. Unbelievers will be tormented forever with fire. When their skin is burned off, a fresh skin will be provided. 4:56 73. Those who refuse to follow Muhammad, follow false gods and are deceived by Satan. 4:60 74. Those who refuse to believe what Allah has revealed to Muhammad are hypocrites. 4:61 75. Oppose and admonish those who refuse to follow Muhammad. 4:63 76. The hypocrites refuse to die for Allah and Muhammad. 4:66 77. Those who obey Allah and Muhammad are favored by Allah. They are the best company. 4:69 78. Allah will bestow a vast reward on those who fight in religious wars. 4:74 79. Believers fight for Allah; disbelievers fight for the devil. So fight the minions of the devil. 4:76 80. Allah casts the hypocrites back to disbelief. Don't try to guide those that Allah sends astray. 4:88 81. Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 4:89 82. If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant. 4:91 83. Believers shouldn't kill believers, unless by mistake. If you kill a believer by mistake, you must set free a believing slave. 4:92 84. Believers who kill believers will go to hell. 4:93 85. The disbelievers are an open enemy to you. 4:101 86. For the disbelievers, Allah has prepared a shameful punishment. 4:102 87. Relent not in pursuit of the enemy. They have no hope from Allah. 4:104 88. Those who oppose the messenger and become unbelievers will go to hell. 4:115 89. They (those who ascribe partners to Allah) invoke in his stead only females and pray to Satan. 4:117 90. Allah will lead them astray and they will go to hell. 4:119-121 91. Those who believe, then disbelieve, then believe and disbelieve again will never be forgiven by Allah. 4:137 92. For the hypocrites there will be a painful doom. 4:138 93. Allah will gather hypocrites and disbelievers into hell. 4:140 94. Allah will not allow disbelievers to succeed against believers. 4:141 95. Do not choose disbelievers as friends. 4:144 96. The hypocrites will be in the lowest part of hell and no one will help them there. 4:145 97. You must believe everything Allah and his messengers tell you. Those who don't are disbelievers and will face a painful doom. 4:150-151 98. For the wrongdoing Jews, Allah has prepared a painful doom. 4:160-1 99. God will guide disbelievers down a road that leads to everlasting hell. 4:168-169 100. Those who deny Islam will be losers in the Hereafter. 5:5 101. Disbelievers are the rightful owners of Hell. 5:10 102. Allah has cursed the Jews and hardened their hearts. Nearly all of them are treacherous. 5:12-13 103. Allah has stirred up enmity and hatred among Christians. 5:14 104. Christians are disbelievers for believing in the divinity of Christ. 5:17 105. Those who make war with Allah and his messenger will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. That is how they will be treated in this world, and in the next they will have an awful doom. 5:33 106. Disbelievers will have a painful doom. 5:36 107. Disbelievers will want to come out of the Fire, but will not. Their will be a lasting doom. 5:37 108. Cut off the hands of thieves. It is an exemplary punishment from Allah. 5:38 109. Allah makes some people sin. He will not cleanse their hearts. They will have ignominy in this world, and in the Hereafter an awful doom. 5:41 110. Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, and tooth for tooth. Non-muslims are wrong doers. 5:45 111. Don't take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them. 5:51 112. Jews and Christians are losers. 5:53 113. Don't choose Jews, Christians, or disbelievers as guardians. 5:57 114. Jews and Christians are evil-livers. 5:59 115. Evil is the handiwork of the rabbis and priests. 5:63 116. Allah has cast enmity and hatred among the Jews. 5:64 117. Allah does not guide disbelievers. 5:67 118. The Jews rejected and killed Allah's prophets, since "they were wilfully blind and deaf." 5:70-71 119. Christians will be burned in the Fire. 5:72 120. Christians are wrong about the Trinity. For that they will have a painful doom. 5:73 121. Muslims that make friends with disbelievers will face a doom prepared for them by Allah. 5:80 122. Disbelievers will be owners of hell-fire. 5:86 123. Allah will test believers to see if they are afraid. Those who fail a second test will suffer a a painful doom. 5:94 124. Those who deny the truth of Islam will be punished by Allah. 6:5 125. "See the nature of the consequence for the rejecters!" 6:11 126. "Those who ruin their souls will not believe." 6:12, 20 127. Disbelievers will say when they see the Fire that they would have believed if they had known the truth. But they are all liars. 6:27-28 128. Allah will torment those how deny his revelations. 6:49 129. Stay away from those who "meddle with" or mock the Quran. 6:68 130. Those who disbelieve will be forced to drink boiling water, and will face a painful doom. 6:70 131. When nonbelievers die, the angels will deliver to them doom and degradation. 6:93 132. Stay away from idolaters. 6:106 133. Allah confounds the hearts and eyes of unbelievers. 6:110 134. Most unbelievers are ignorant. 6:111 135. Allah allows some to disbelieve in the afterlife, and to take pleasure in their disbelief, so that he can torment them forever after they die. 6:113 136. The worst thing anyone can do is deny the revelations of Allah. Those who do so will be awared an evil doom. 6:157 137. Disbelievers lose their souls. 7:9 138. Allah has made devils the protecting friends of disbeliveers. 7:27 139. Disbelievers choose devils as protecting friends and believe they are rightly guided. 7:30 140. Only believers go to heaven. 7:32 141. Allah forbids beliefs that he hasn't revealed (i.e., all non-muslim beliefs). 7:33 142. Disbelievers are the rightful owners of the Fire. 7:36 143. Disbelief is the greatest evil. 7:37 144. Disbelievers will be excluded from heaven. Theirs will be a bed of hell. 7:40-41 145. Those in the fire will be taunted by those in the Garden. "So how's it going down there? Are you enjoying the warmth of the Fire?" 7:44 146. Those in the Fire will cry out to those in heaven, saying: "Pour water on us." But Allah has forbidden that to disbelievers. 7:50 147. Those who forget Allah will be forgotten (sent to hell) on Judgement Day. 7:51 148. Serve Allah or go to hell. 7:59 149. Allah drowned everyone on earth (except Noah and his family) because they disbelieved. 7:64 150. Disbelievers are liars. 7:66 151. Those who believe incorrectly will face the terror and wrath of Allah. 7:71 152. "We cut the root of those who denied Our revelations and were not believers." 7:72 153. Allah killed the disbelievers with an earthquake. 7:78 154. Allah killed everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah except Lot and his daughters. 7:83-84 155. "So the earthquake seized them." Allah killed the disbelievers with an earthquake. 7:90-91 156. "Then We seized them unawares, when they perceived not." Unbelievers are never safe from Allah's wrath. 7:95-99 157. "How can I sorrow for a people that rejected (truth)?"

Imho... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22536386)

Printing the once in the name of free speech: no problem. Printing them again, knowing what it might cause: provocation.

Re:Imho... (2, Insightful)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536744)

Printing them again, knowing what it might cause: provocation.

So what? These people need to be continually provoked until they understand and accept that there's no percentage in getting upset about it. People using threats and intimidation to censor other people should offend every civilized human being.

Look, this is the bully syndrome at work, and by not continually provoking them, by giving in to their threats, you're simply following a policy of appeasement. That never works with a bully, ever, because next time they'll want more. I am not prepared to give it to them.

Furthermore, we're talking about material published on the Internet in another country. They have zero grounds for imposing their own sense of what is acceptable on the rest of the world. It's time they grew up and accepted the fact that the rest of us don't care what they think. As an American, I have to suffer through enough irrational and outright wrong anti-U.S. crap every day, but I don't go around making threats or demanding the Web sites be blocked just because I don't like it.

These people just need to grow up. Until they do, trying to avoid "provoking" them is not a concern of mine, since they don't seem to care if they provoke me. Not, I might add, that it matters what they say about me or my country. I'm an adult, my skin is pretty thick in that regard.

mTube (3, Funny)

pha7boy (1242512) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536402)

Welcome to mTube. To upload videos, please make sure that all models are wearing mTube approved burqas. Religious discussion are to adhere to Quran aproved topics. For information on how to carry out stoning, please see the miscellaneous section.

Re:mTube (2, Interesting)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536434)

Pissed off at your sister? Commit a crime. You'll get a trivial sentence while your sister gets gang raped.

Wait... what's that? All cultures are of equal value? Oh, OK. Sorry.

End Religion and End Human Suffering! (3, Insightful)

erroneus (253617) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536436)

Okay, so maybe it wouldn't end human suffering, but it would certainly remove about 90% of the motivation for mistrust and a lot more. Some say religion is just the "given" excuse for violence and oppression. But I hold that the majority of people who claim they are killing and oppression for "god" really believe in what they are doing.

Religion is also a large part of the reason for suppression of knowledge, increases in fear and the idea that "ideas are dangerous."

But once you subtract 'religion' and 'morals' from the minds of many, you'll find they actually don't know how to think.

Re:End Religion and End Human Suffering! (1)

morari (1080535) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536526)

Then mankind would have become as the Great Old Ones; free and wild and beyond good and evil, with laws and morals thrown aside and all men shouting and killing and revelling in joy. Then the liberated Old Ones would teach them new ways to shout and kill and revel and enjoy themselves, and all the earth would flame with a holocaust of ecstasy and freedom.

Re:End Religion and End Human Suffering! (5, Insightful)

CRCulver (715279) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536564)

Religion is also a large part of the reason for suppression of knowledge, increases in fear and the idea that "ideas are dangerous.

Yeah, religion is evil. Just look at those religious wackos like Stalin and Brezhnev who killed millions and sent more to death camps or psychiatric hospitals just for reading the wrong books Oh wait, they were atheists. Well, I guess religion hasn't been the single greatest force for murder and oppression in the last century after all.

The statistics speak for themselves. Between the Soviet Union and China, many more died for Communism than because of religious violence.

By the way, have you considered that to wipe out religion, you'd have to engage in the same techniques of suppression of knowledge that you condemn? But it's all for the good of society, so it's OK, right? :rolleyes:

Re:End Religion and End Human Suffering! (1)

CRCulver (715279) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536698)

Bertrand Russell's specialization was not the philosophy of religion, but rather other fields within philosophy. Why don't you quote people who actually know what they are talking about, non-theist philosophers of religion like (pre-conversion) Flew or Mackie?

Re:End Religion and End Human Suffering! (1)

faragon (789704) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536856)

Bertrand Russell's specialization was not the philosophy of religion, but rather other fields within philosophy.

It is your opinion.

Why don't you quote people who actually know what they are talking about, non-theist philosophers of religion like (pre-conversion) Flew or Mackie?

We'll, I was also thinking about quoting Philip J. Fry [wikipedia.org] , but thought that Russell had a bit more of relevance in the mankind history.

Re:End Religion and End Human Suffering! (1)

ChromeAeonium (1026952) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536736)

It appearers religion also prevents us from seeing the real problems. Believing that religion causes all that stuff is as wacko as Jack Thompson believing that video games cause people to commit murder. I'm not denying that people use religion to justify various nasty deeds, but odds are crazies will go crazy anyway. You remove religion, they'll just find some other reason to go nuts, like race, nationality, economic system, ect.

My house and Pakistan (1)

Statecraftsman (718862) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536496)

We banned YouTube too. Well not we, she. In any case it's off limits. Too subversive of her power she says. Oh well. It's good to know Pakistani's feel my pain.

Religion and its leaders (3, Insightful)

Teun (17872) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536610)

It is really shameful how religious leaders continue to try to impress their own (private) values on the rest of the world.
No later than 9/11 we (in the democratic world) were made aware how narrow the scope of some Muslim leaders is when quite a few of them spoke out with understanding or even admiration for the criminals that crashed these planes killing thousands of innocent.

Of course this type of behaviour is not limited to Moslims, just look at the retards that, especially in the USofA, are trying to ban education on Evolution or bomb medical clinics.

Here in The Netherlands we had a nice one last night, around 01:00 in the night one of the public broadcasters decided to air the old Deep Throat movie, in (eager?) anticipation quite a few religious leaders protested as if they did not have an off button on their TV :)

In the case of YouTube there might be a link to my country as an extreme nationalistic member of the Dutch Parliament (Geert Wilders) is readying a movie/ documentary called Fitna (Arabic for Evil) about what he perceives as the dangers of Islam and the Quran.
More and more politicians of wholly undemocratic Muslim nations are protesting with the Dutch government and demanding a stop to this movie as it would be an insult to Islam.
Mr. Wilders has so far not found a regular broadcaster to air his work and has said he'll distribute it via the net, starting with YouTube.

The problem will not go away until religious people, starting with their leaders, learn to accept there is more in this world than their own (narrow) view and that a cartoon or critical movie is generally not meant as an insult or attack but to further discussion and even educate on the subjects covered.

Re:Religion and its leaders (5, Insightful)

Deadstick (535032) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536874)

Here in The Netherlands we had a nice one last night, around 01:00 in the night one of the public broadcasters decided to air the old Deep Throat movie, in (eager?) anticipation quite a few religious leaders protested as if they did not have an off button on their TV

They knew perfectly well they had an off button on their TV. They were angry because they didn't have an off button connected to your TV.

rj

murderous nazi execrable blocks sunlight (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22536612)

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Islam (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22536614)

The comments in this thread disgust me. There aren't a whole lot of religions that don't encourage discrimination against anyone who doesn't agree with you. Ironically it's religions typically associated with such actions that actually have doctrine supporting tolerance (Satanism, Wicca). The point is it's not because they're Muslims that they're intolerant, nor do all Muslims think the same way; it's that they're authoritarians who can't possibly accept the notion that people follow philosophies other than their own. They're interpreting their religion in their own way just like everyone else, which is why I find organised religion to be a complete waste of time.

This is about politics, not religion. (4, Insightful)

mellon (7048) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536770)

I know the reason they /gave/ is that YouTube content is blasphemous, but what they /didn't/ tell you is that there have been a lot of really embarrassing videos on YouTube recently. One you might have seen in the news was the one where they showed that there was a gunshot before the explosion that officially was supposed to have killed Benazir Buttho. But it's my understanding that there have been a lot of videos that are /personally/ embarrassing to politicians in Islamabad as well, and this is more probably the motivation behind the ban.

It serves all the sitting politicians' interests to paint this as a religious thing (including the Bush government); it's up to us to try to see through the propaganda.

Historical Deja Vu (1)

Pecisk (688001) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536792)

Why this reminds Catholic fight to get believers under control in Middle Ages? Ohh, because churches are actually big historical scams and faith has actually nothing to do with it.

Yes, I believe in God. And I believe that church has lot of good, nice people in faith there. So it is outrageous that there is _lot_ of people who game this system for their own good. As any system. Wait, it is human nature.

Either I'm in Pakistan (2, Informative)

bdraschk (664148) | more than 6 years ago | (#22536830)

... and nobody told me, or somebody in Germany has demanded to block youtube, too. Just timeouts here.
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