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P2P Scammers' Lawyers Attack Open Source Team

kdawson posted more than 6 years ago | from the worst-are-full-of-passionate-intensity dept.

The Internet 157

An anonymous reader writes "Late last year a company affiliated with the French RIAA hijacked the Shareaza.com domain name from the original, open source project's owner. They are passing off their own for-pay software, which violates the GPL, as the real thing. Now, having stolen the Shareaza project's identity, the scammers are threatening legal action to shut down the real open source team."

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Well (0, Redundant)

phagstrom (451510) | more than 6 years ago | (#22557248)

*Insert new Shareaza.com overlord comment here*

In Soviet France... (0, Redundant)

firesyde424 (1127527) | more than 6 years ago | (#22557250)

In Soviet France, P2P scams YOU! Oh... wait....

direct link (1)

Plunky (929104) | more than 6 years ago | (#22557252)

direct link to the website: www.shareaza.com [shareaza.com]

though I didn't find it very interesting..

Re:direct link (2, Insightful)

Plunky (929104) | more than 6 years ago | (#22557332)

I should say, that the comments that the lawyers were objecting to was a thread regarding setting up the real shareaza program to query the www.shareaza.com [shareaza.com] site in order to perform a distributed denial of service attack on it and put it under.

Of course, suggesting any such thing must be illegal, and organising such an attack even in retaliation is not going to be good for your karma.

IMHO they should just have changed the name of the program and got a new domain name

Re:direct link (2, Insightful)

Calinous (985536) | more than 6 years ago | (#22557376)

And see history repeating itself? Create a new name for their program and promote it, only to lose it after a while?

Re:direct link (4, Insightful)

Brian Gordon (987471) | more than 6 years ago | (#22557414)

Oh yeah, they get their domain name illegally hijacked so they should just change the name of their entire project.

Re:direct link (1)

blueskies (525815) | more than 6 years ago | (#22559400)

did you say "suggesting any such thing must be illegal?" But organizing an attack is only going to be bad for your karma?

I think it would be cool if they implemented their p2p software do DoS the hijackers. Is that illegal to think it would be cool?

IMHO they should just have changed the name of the program and got a new domain name
Yeah, they should be the ones to change. I think they should have registered their name as a trademark and you wouldn't be suggesting that.

Don't do that! (3, Funny)

ArsenneLupin (766289) | more than 6 years ago | (#22557488)

You'll get Slashdot in trouble. Indeed, by your link you effectively trigger a Dos against the shite, by means of Slashdot effect!

Re:Don't do that! (4, Funny)

russ1337 (938915) | more than 6 years ago | (#22557748)

...you effectively trigger a Dos against the shite
Sean Connery? is that you?

Re:Don't do that! (4, Funny)

spun (1352) | more than 6 years ago | (#22558404)

...you effectively trigger a Dos against the shite


Sean Connery? is that you?
Yesh, and I DOShed your wife's shite lasht night, Trebeck.

Re:Don't do that! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22557874)

Why would would we send a DOS to the Shiite? That makes no sense.

Re:Don't do that! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22559322)

What if, hypothetically, everybody typed these words in bash:

cd /tmp && ( while true; do wget -m --delete-after http://www.shareaza.com/; sleep 1; done )
Would that be illegal too?

WARNING: this code is provided for educational purposes only. don't EXECUTE IT!
(unless, of course, you are bored after reading TFA and feel like reading something interesting, like for example the shareaza.com website 1000 times in a row)

maybe not accessible ... (4, Informative)

Fallen Andy (795676) | more than 6 years ago | (#22557600)

... if you've got Spybot-SD installed then your local hosts file maps shareaza.com along with many other junk sites to 127.0.0.1. (For a moment I thought they'd been slashdotted (grins)).

Andy

Re:maybe not accessible ... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22557822)

firefox also pops up a warning that http://www.shareaza.com/ [shareaza.com] is a 'suspected web forgery' / phishing site. nice.

Accessed it with Firefox... (1)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 6 years ago | (#22557990)

And I got the pop-up "expected web forgery". Those guys....

Re:direct link (1)

Sporkinum (655143) | more than 6 years ago | (#22558086)

The filter at work says this..

The requested page is currently unavailable Access to this site (http://www.shareaza.com/) has been limited due to the rating of its content (copyright infringment,digital music).

Re:direct link (1)

unlametheweak (1102159) | more than 6 years ago | (#22558688)

In Firefox, when I attempt to go to www.shareaza.com I get this message:

This page has been reported as a web forgery designed to trick users into sharing personal or financial information. Entering any personal information on this page may result in identity theft or other fraud.

These types of web forgeries are used in scams known as phishing attacks, in which fraudulent web pages and emails are used to imitate sources you may trust. You can find out more about how Firefox protects you from phishing attacks.

Neither Opera nor Internet Explorer (with the IE Phishing filter enabled) brings up any such messages.

You CAN however report this Website as a phishing site in IE;
Go to:
Tools | Phishing Filter | Report this site.

Reminds me of a story... (3, Funny)

Darundal (891860) | more than 6 years ago | (#22557260)

...from a while back in which some hardware counterfeiters in china got to the point where they where actually paying a firm for R&D for new products.

Reminds me of that time when... (1)

CarpetShark (865376) | more than 6 years ago | (#22557906)

Didn't satan take over microsoft.com in a similar fashion some years back?

Re:Reminds me of that time when... (1)

richie2000 (159732) | more than 6 years ago | (#22558664)

Didn't satan take over microsoft.com in a similar fashion some years back?
Yeah, but thankfully he's stepping down [microsoft.com] now.

Re:Reminds me of a story... (4, Informative)

paeanblack (191171) | more than 6 years ago | (#22558678)

...from a while back in which some hardware counterfeiters in china got to the point where they where actually paying a firm for R&D for new products.

A hundred years ago the same thing was happening here in the US. Intellectual property law enforcement was non-existent in practice. US companies were ripping off European IP and then grew to the point when they needed their own R&D to compete with other US companies doing the same thing. Oddly enough, right about the time when serious commercial research was starting to take off in the States, the US IP laws grew some real teeth.

History is a funny thing. It almost seems like it keeps repeating itself.

Interesting move by the French RIAA (4, Interesting)

downix (84795) | more than 6 years ago | (#22557264)

First they work to strengthen copyright laws to the point that they make capital murder seem less a crime, THEN they help a group which targets a GPL piece of software, and as we all know, the GPL utilizes the full strength of Copyright for it's own power... They are about to reap what they have sown.

Re:Interesting move by the French RIAA (2, Informative)

Ice Tiger (10883) | more than 6 years ago | (#22557324)

Exactly if Discordia took the source, modified it and do not provide access to it as has been implied then they are far game for a copyright infringement lawsuit. If the original authors don't want to do it then maybe give the copyright to the EFF who WILL go after them. Also maybe drum up some press about the copyright infringement and their link to the French RIAA as that will surely stink PR wise.

Is this more Discordian FOSS acquisition? (5, Interesting)

srck (1099727) | more than 6 years ago | (#22557654)

A quick google for "Discordia Limited" turned up jzip.com - "Based on 7-Zip technology by Igor Pavlov" is the strap line for the site (its a Winzip-style compression tool). Is this another occurrence of their appropriation of open source products?

Re:Is this more Discordian FOSS acquisition? (1)

Mathinker (909784) | more than 6 years ago | (#22558008)

7-zip is LGPL, so it's only infringement if they improved Pavlov's algorithm before distributing --- not likely.

Re:Is this more Discordian FOSS acquisition? (1)

Mathinker (909784) | more than 6 years ago | (#22558052)

#*&^@*&!, I keep forgetting --- it would be infringement if the 7-zip stuff is statically linked into their product.

Re:Interesting move by the French RIAA (3, Insightful)

SharpFang (651121) | more than 6 years ago | (#22557708)

Exactly if Discordia took the source, modified it, distributed it and...

Don't skip that step. You're allowed to make GPL into closeware ("nobody but me is allowed to use it"), but you can't distribute it to others without sources.

Re:Interesting move by the French RIAA (2, Informative)

Ice Tiger (10883) | more than 6 years ago | (#22557952)

It wouldn't be an extensive P2P network if they didn't distribute their client. :)

Anyway after digging around they rebranded their own client they use for their other networks thus didn't violate the GPL at all. Maybe the open source guys can register the name as a trademark and go after them that way.

Re:Interesting move by the French RIAA (3, Informative)

jrumney (197329) | more than 6 years ago | (#22558362)

They don't seem to be distributing the Shareasa client. They seem to be distributing the iMesh client rebadged as Shareasa 4. The only copyright infringement seems to be the use of the Shareasa project's logo on their website. The biggest problem is trademark infringement and passing off, but the former is going to be difficult to pursue without registering the trademark first, which they don't have the money for.

Re:Interesting move by the French RIAA (1)

mpe (36238) | more than 6 years ago | (#22558450)

Exactly if Discordia took the source, modified it and do not provide access to it as has been implied then they are far game for a copyright infringement lawsuit. If the original authors don't want to do it then maybe give the copyright to the EFF who WILL go after them.

In the case of an open source program the copyright holders could easily comprise several thousand "people". It would only take one to go after an infringer.

Re:Interesting move by the French RIAA (1)

bluefoxlucid (723572) | more than 6 years ago | (#22558858)

Imagine a lawsuit for punative damages of $10,000 from each of the Linux kernel minor contributors on a GPL troll trying to pass off their own "version of unix" ;)

Re:Interesting move by the French RIAA (2, Interesting)

ArsenneLupin (766289) | more than 6 years ago | (#22557532)

First they work to strengthen copyright laws to the point that they make capital murder seem less a crime,
Stupid move. So, if you're accused of violating some copyright, maybe killing a lawyer or 2 may get out of the original charge (for lack of "witnesses"...), and you'll be stuck with the lesser charge of capital murder...

THEN they help a group which targets a GPL piece of software, and as we all know, the GPL utilizes the full strength of Copyright for it's own power...
Well, the only trouble is that the shysters didn't violate copyright law, but rather trademark law. These are not the same thing, (un)fortunately.

Re:Interesting move by the French RIAA (1)

downix (84795) | more than 6 years ago | (#22557556)

Actually, by the DMCA (and the lawyers are in the US, I might note) one can claim that by having usurped the domain name and trademark, a reasonable assumption can be made that copyright also was infringed upon, to which the only solution would be a full source code release of every piece of their software to the public documentation of a court exhibit.

Re:Interesting move by the French RIAA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22557722)

They're distributing modified a GPL software and not providing it's users the source or diffs from the original client, so yeah, they're violating copyright law too.

Re:Interesting move by the French RIAA (1)

gruntled (107194) | more than 6 years ago | (#22558118)

Doesn't anybody else think it's hilarious that a P2P group is bitching about intellectual property theft? I'm just sayin'....

Re:Interesting move by the French RIAA (1)

leuk_he (194174) | more than 6 years ago | (#22559266)

You are telling only a small piece. The person who registered the shareaza.com domain got an legal letter from people who claimed to be from the french SPPF. After that it is not clear, but the site got owned by iMesh/bearshare gang.

If the act of the SPFF is related to the domain transfer is only speculation. It sounds more like a hobbyist who maintained the site was not careful with it and the domain was grabbed by the for profit people of iMesh.

Re:Interesting move by the French RIAA (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 6 years ago | (#22557792)

Welcome to Sarkozy-era France, mon ami!

Re:Interesting move by the French RIAA (1)

sumdumass (711423) | more than 6 years ago | (#22558136)

I'm missing something here. Where does the GPL come into play besides the original project being GPLed? IT they offer non GPLed software for a fee or not, I wouldn't think it would come into play. Are they advertising it as GPLed or something? I couldn't find a reference to the GPL on their site.

Or are they offering binaries of the GPLed product as their own?

Interesting name... (2, Funny)

tnoren (1246462) | more than 6 years ago | (#22557280)

The French Recording Industry Association of America i know i know "it's just the equivalent"

Re:Interesting name... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22558080)

That's the American Dodgeball Association of America.

Smoking in the licence agreement... (5, Funny)

craig1709 (1113765) | more than 6 years ago | (#22557296)

"SMOKING

Smoking overall is bad for you. It gives you bad breath and may kill you sooner than you'd expect." - the licence agreement [shareaza.com]
All I can say is: WTF?

Re:Smoking in the licence agreement... (2)

linux_geek_germany (1079711) | more than 6 years ago | (#22557338)

LOL - for ppl who don't want to click the link, it's really part of their license agreement!

Re:Smoking in the licence agreement... (2)

tripmine (1160123) | more than 6 years ago | (#22557448)

Now here's the fun part...

If you can read this, you don't need glasses. :)
Are they trying to be hip? or cool? or straight up gangsta from the hood? They had me there for a second. Until they blantantly violated the GPL and stole a trademark and still pretend like nothing happened.
Makes me sick.

Theres some more good stuff (1)

wildzer0 (889523) | more than 6 years ago | (#22557876)

Theres some more good stuff:

Discordia shall exclusively own all now known or hereafter existing rights to the Submissions of every kind and nature throughout the universe, including known and unknown galaxies, and shall be entitled to unrestricted use of the Submissions for any purpose whatsoever, commercial or otherwise, without compensation to the provider of the Submissions.

Re:Theres some more good stuff (1)

cobaltnova (1188515) | more than 6 years ago | (#22558004)

Well, at least there's no danger of it being enforced, since it is OBVIOUSLY overbroad...


(IANAL)

Re:Theres some more good stuff (1)

unlametheweak (1102159) | more than 6 years ago | (#22559386)

Well, at least there's no danger of it being enforced, since it is OBVIOUSLY overbroad...
Most people would put their tail between their legs at a threatening letter sent by a law firm; no lawsuit required, the enforcement is de facto.

Not so black & white (4, Insightful)

LilWolf (847434) | more than 6 years ago | (#22557346)

While the company may violate the GPL, their legal note says they want some threads removed from the forum that contain instructions on how to conduct an DoS attack against them. That may or may not be illegal where you live, but in no case does it gather sympathy from me.

If they're violating the GPL then sue them for that, but don't complain if they come at you for something that's likely illegal where ever you live.

sue em (1)

Pvt_Ryan (1102363) | more than 6 years ago | (#22557370)

sharezaa team should sue for GPL violation & copyright infringment.

Re:sue em (2, Insightful)

Klaus_1250 (987230) | more than 6 years ago | (#22557640)

I think they should start by getting their domain-name back, filing a complaint with WIPO should set that in motion. Pretty sure they stand a decent chance. The only issue is that Shareaza misses someone with a getting-the-job-done hands-on mentality which can pretty much be seen in the Shareaza client. Poor ed2k support, minimal bittorrent support, problematic Gnutella-support, no continued development of G2, ...

Do better than that (4, Insightful)

roman_mir (125474) | more than 6 years ago | (#22557374)

Warning to Shareaza users by the original team:

ShareazaV4, is totally fake. It violates the open-source license, GPL (Version 2) in many ways. Also, it isn't free nor open source. It requires a subscription and installs a suspicious toolbar. You can read what happened from this reference list: http://tinyurl.com/2cx7ff [tinyurl.com]

        Please, update your Shareaza version to Shareaza 2.3.1.0, and change the site from Shareaza.com to the new official site at Sourceforge: http://shareaza.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net] .
The short version of why this is happening from the article:

A company trying to pass itself off as vendors of the open-source file-sharing software Shareaza, has set the legal dogs on the real Shareaza forum. Discordia Ltd, who earlier turned Bearshare and iMesh into pay services, demanded action after a member of the real Shareaza forum suggested a DOS attack on the site.
This is due to this suggestion by real shareaza forum user [66.102.9.104] :

Make it so the real shareaza program queries their site [shareaza.com] every couple of seconds. As an individual user this won't take much personal bandwidth. But all shareaza users worldwide put together should be enough to kill their server and they won't really be able to do much since it will be coming from so many different IPs.
The letter by the shyster hired by the thief/impersonator of the shareaza domain and project:

This law firm represents Discordia, Ltd., the operator of the website Shareaza.com and owner of the rights in the Shareaza branded software distributed from that domain. Please be advised, that your forum contains a string of posts under the title: "suggestion to kill Shareaza.com." Under the string, the poster, RedSquirrel offers directions for users of Shareaza software to implement a DoS that would have the effect of destroying or seriously impairing our client's application and network. The poster OldDeath also offers a manner to illegally attack our client's business.

        Despite whatever complaints your forum's users may have with our client's proper and legal business activities, the type of activity promoted on your forum is illegal. Therefore, we request that you immediately remove this string of posts and any future strings of this nature. My client respects your users' rights to express their points of view. However, the line is crossed when users begin to promote the destruction of a legitimate business (evidently based on out some misguided belief that artists and others who create music should not be fairly compensated for their efforts) via illegal or other predatory means.

        If the above cited illegal activity on your site does not immediately cease and desist, our client will take all necessary action to vigorously and relentlessly protect its rights. To be clear, if this action is not immediately taken and, as result, our client's business is harmed, we will not only pursue, locate and hold fully responsible each and every one of those who have implemented this, or any similar DoS, but also those responsible for maintaining your site and the forums.

        Please confirm that the requested action is being taken immediately.

        Jeffrey A. Kimmel

        Meister Seelig & Fein, LLP
        140 E. 45th St., 19th Fl.
        New York, NY 10017
        (212) 655-3578
I suppose the law is in their hands in terms of a DDoS attack, so it would be more correct to sue the impersonator/thief for trademark and copyright violations if they indeed are violating the GPL and are using 'shareaza' name on their 'competing' software. However at this point just to make it hurt more, I would love to see that everyone, not just the shareaza team coordinate a DDOS attack. It's not too hard to setup a cron job to pull something off their servers every couple of seconds.

Re:Do better than that (5, Insightful)

downix (84795) | more than 6 years ago | (#22557412)

To claim that forum trolls represent a project is a weak tactic, and had been thrown out of court in every case I have studied.

Re:Do better than that (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22557476)

unless it has todo with tom cruise missiles.... *ducks*

Re:Do better than that (0, Offtopic)

ArsenneLupin (766289) | more than 6 years ago | (#22557774)

The head of the Galactic Federation (76 planets around larger stars visible from here) (founded 95,000,000 years ago) solved overpopulation (250 billion or so per planet, 178 billion on average) by mass implanting. He caused people to be brought to Teegeeack (Earth) and put an H-Bomb on the principal volcanos (Incident II) and then the Pacific area ones were taken in boxes to Hawaii and the Atlantic area ones to Las Palmas and there "packaged".

His name was Xenu. He used renegades. Various misleading data by means of circuits etc. was placed in the implants.

When through with his crime loyal officers (to the people) captured him after six years of battle and put him in an electronic mountain trap where he still is. "They" are gone. The place (Confederation) has since been a desert. The length and brutality of it all was such that this Confederation never recovered. The implant is calculated to kill (by pneumonia etc) anyone who attempts to solve it. This liability has been dispensed with by my tech development.

One can freewheel through the implant and die unless it is approached as precisely outlined. The "freewheel" (auto-running on and on) lasts too long, denies sleep etc and one dies. So be careful to do only Incidents I and II as given and not plow around and fail to complete one thetan at a time.

In December 1967 I knew someone had to take the plunge. I did and emerged very knocked out, but alive. Probably the only one ever to do so in 75,000,000 years. I have all the data now, but only that given here is needful.

One's body is a mass of individual thetans stuck to oneself or to the body.

One has to clean them off by running incident II and Incident I. It is a long job, requiring care, patience and good auditing. You are running beings. They respond like any preclear. Some large, some small.

Thetans believed they were one. This is the primary error. Good luck.

Re:Do better than that (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22557844)

Shut up. No one gives a damn.

Re:Do better than that (0, Troll)

ArsenneLupin (766289) | more than 6 years ago | (#22557884)

No one gives a damn.
Well, apparently you do, Coward...

Re:Do better than that (1)

Teun (17872) | more than 6 years ago | (#22558096)

Thanks for the amusement Tom, b.t.w, how are Katie and Suri?

Re:Do better than that (2, Interesting)

FictionPimp (712802) | more than 6 years ago | (#22557426)

You would think an offical post of "Let's not stoop to their level and DoS attack" would be enough. I see no reason to remove the posts. However, France is different and I'm not sure about what you are allowed to say legally. I wonder how this differs from say making a post on my blog that encourages people to go to theaters and yell "fire"

Re:Do better than that (2, Informative)

roman_mir (125474) | more than 6 years ago | (#22557518)

However, France is different and I'm not sure about what you are allowed to say legally.
- http://www.shareazasecurity.be/ [shareazasecurity.be] is not French, it's Belgium's and the shysters are from NY.

Re:Do better than that (1)

mpe (36238) | more than 6 years ago | (#22558408)

You would think an offical post of "Let's not stoop to their level and DoS attack" would be enough. I see no reason to remove the posts.

Apparently the posts were removed, because they violated the forum's terms and conditions, before the letter was received (possibly even before it was sent).

Re:Do better than that (4, Insightful)

ArsenneLupin (766289) | more than 6 years ago | (#22557634)

I suppose the law is in their hands in terms of a DDoS attack, so it would be more correct to sue the impersonator/thief for trademark and copyright violations if they indeed are violating the GPL and are using 'shareaza' name on their 'competing' software.
It's not actually a DDoS attack, but rather millions of shareaza instances probing the shareaza site for updates. A thing many other software packages (such as virus scanners, or even Windows itself) do routinely. The shareaza authors are perfectly within their rights to do this. Too bad only that somebody hijacked the shareaza domain, and that the relevant URL didn't contain the appropriate CGI to manage the update, and even less the needed cryptographic signatures to validate itself. Too bad also that shareaza probes again real soon after a failure, and only a day after a success.

Oh, and Meister Seelig needs to be very careful where he steps, so that he doesn't accidentally perjure himself by claiming rights that his clients doesn't have... In his first letter he seems to have avoided the obvious traps (... simply by not using the term "under penalty of perjury ...) but I'm sure that as soon as the action starts, and more letters become necessary, he will end up making a mistake.

The appropriate reaction to such a letter is to ask the shyster lawyers whether they are ready to uphold their claims under oath in front of a court of law...

Re:Do better than that (1)

jrumney (197329) | more than 6 years ago | (#22557902)

n his first letter he seems to have avoided the obvious traps

He did however acknowledge the legitimate existence of the open source Shareasa client, which should help with any trademark or passing off lawsuits that the developers want to bring against Discordia.

Re:Do better than that (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22558166)

If the intent is to shut down a site it's a DoS attack, plain and simple. Shooting someone with the intent to kill is homicide. If they were attacking you with a knife it's still homicide, it's just ruled as a "justifiable" homicide if you prove it was a justifiable action.

Re:Do better than that (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22557692)

Dear Jeffrey A. Kimmel,

Your clients domain was previously registered to this project. We will be more than happy to assist with your enquiry as soon as:
  1. Your client hands control of the domain in question back to this project.
  2. Stops passing-off and distributing software under the name of this project.
  3. Your client changes their name to "Discordia (infringing copyright and trademarks on behalf of the RIAA) Ltd."

Let us know when your client has done this and we will look at your request.

Have a great day,

On behalf of $Project

So... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22557382)

... this is how Ballmer plans to kill Google then.

Repoint www.google.com and claim they created searching. If it wasn't for that pesky Knuth guy...

Sounds like a better plan than a chair, anyhow.

Looks like the DOS will happen after all (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22557484)

It would appear as if the DOS attack announced in the official sharezaa forum will happen after all. Slashdoters, visit and reload http://www.shareaza.com/ [shareaza.com] as many times as you can.

Turnabout is fair play (4, Informative)

abbamouse (469716) | more than 6 years ago | (#22557490)

Aw, someone stole the Shareaza name and used it for their own proprietary crap. I seem to remember something like this from a few years back, except the term is question was Gnutella and an incompatible protocol stealing its name and calling itself "Gnutella 2." Karma can be a bitch sometimes.

Re:Turnabout is fair play (2, Informative)

hcmtnbiker (925661) | more than 6 years ago | (#22558286)

Mod this parent up he's not a Troll. Mike's Protocol [wikipedia.org] is exactly that. He used the gnutella name as only a means to get people to download his project. It has nothing to do with either gnutella, or the group guiding the original gnutella protocol. Stealing a name is something they've done, just because they're FOSS doesn't meant they're automatically good themselves.

Darn, now I have to RTFA (2, Interesting)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 6 years ago | (#22557514)

Late last year a company affiliated with the French RIAA hijacked the Shareaza.com domain name from the original

The French "Recording Industry Association of America? WTF?

Kdawson, please have some more coffee before you "edit" the next story, ok?

Re:Darn, now I have to RTFA (4, Funny)

drawfour (791912) | more than 6 years ago | (#22557704)

No, it stands for "Recording Industry Association of Assholes". Applicable for any country.

Re:Darn, now I have to RTFA (1)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 6 years ago | (#22558810)

I thought it was "Recording Industry Ass of America? That's how it's usually spelled out.

Re:Darn, now I have to RTFA (1)

EricWright (16803) | more than 6 years ago | (#22557828)

Don't blame kdawson for this one... it's a direct quote from TFA. I guess we're supposed to understand that they MEANT the French equivalent of the RIAA.

Re:Darn, now I have to RTFA (1)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 6 years ago | (#22558878)

Well YAY! That means I don't have to RTFA, so I'm still not new here!

But for those who actually did RTFA, if TFA said that then it was written by someone stupid, ignorant, or both. How can you take anything it says seriously? Can anybody point to a FA from a less developmentally disabled [uncyclopedia.org] author?

"turnaboutisfairplay"? Get a clue. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22557528)

People saying this is fair game since P2P software can be used for piracy are completely failing at understanding the issues here. P2P software can be used for legal file sharing - we do it all the time with Linux distributions. I used to use Shareaza's bittorrent client for exactly that while in Windows. Not all use of Shareaza is illegal, but violating the GPL is ALWAYS illegal if that's what happened. Passing your product off as someone else's product, filling it with spyware, and stealing their domain is also surely illegal.

Re:"turnaboutisfairplay"? Get a clue. (1)

Constantine XVI (880691) | more than 6 years ago | (#22557788)

I'm pretty sure the event in question is Gnutella2, a completely incompatible (with the original Gnutella) protocol developed by the Shareaza team. Shareaza, the people that "hijacked" the Gnutella name, got their name hijacked.

Re:"turnaboutisfairplay"? Get a clue. (1)

Klaus_1250 (987230) | more than 6 years ago | (#22557796)

IANAL, but, I'm also wondering about validity of the copyright claims of Discordia Ltd. At the bottom of the pages, it says either:

© 1999-2008 Discordia Ltd. All rights reserved.

or

© 1999-2008 Shareaza All rights reserved.

Apart from violating the GPL and infringing on trademarks/copyrights, they also make false/invalid (copyright) claims by stating copyright as of 1999. Isn't there a law against this as well?

RIA**A** (1)

seyyah (986027) | more than 6 years ago | (#22557544)

Guess what the second "A" stands for?

For those who don't know that the word doesn't just duplicate what's done in the USA, check out the Société Civile des Producteurs de Phonogrammes en France (http://www.sppf.com/ [sppf.com] ).

its happened before on a grander scale.. (5, Interesting)

apodyopsis (1048476) | more than 6 years ago | (#22557558)

NEC - yes thats right the major international corp. - found a entire fake NEC outfit working in China, complete with factories, hundreds of employees, using the same logo, letterheads and even staff ID badges. They found out when kit started coming back for repair that they had not even made. its still one of my favorite China fake goods stories, because you just could not make it up.

Think I'm joking? I assure you I am not, here are some references...
http://www.eetindia.co.in/ART_8800416910_1800007_NT_5c0424e2.HTM [eetindia.co.in]
http://www.eetimes.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=187200176 [eetimes.com]
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/01/technology/01pirate.html [nytimes.com]
http://www.smh.com.au/news/biztech/slick-pirates-seize-entire-brand/2006/05/29/1148754904830.html [smh.com.au]

The hardest thing is sometimes to persuade people that what they are doing in actually wrong in the first place, I guess this is the case with Shareaza.

One Way To Easily Defeat French Scammers ... (3, Funny)

blcamp (211756) | more than 6 years ago | (#22557570)


Just declare war on them.

Re:One Way To Easily Defeat French Scammers ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22557676)

After all those losses surely they are ready for a win? :P

Re:One Way To Easily Defeat French Scammers ... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22557734)

Still bitter that they wouldn't rubber-stamp your oil-war?

Re:One Way To Easily Defeat French Scammers ... (1)

HBI (604924) | more than 6 years ago | (#22558088)

I still have hope that they'll 'surrender' to our way of thinking. Arf arf.

Re:One Way To Easily Defeat French Scammers ... (2, Informative)

sumdumass (711423) | more than 6 years ago | (#22558340)

It is ironic that the only connection to oil is also the french's rejection of the war. It has been shown that France has secrete oil deals in violation of UN sanctions worth billions that they stood to lose with an invasion and war in Iraq. It has also been suggested that their chumming with Iraq and their promise of a Veto on a war resolution in the UN was connected to those deals. I can also understand the UN's reaction to us invading around them when the top leaders family was tied in with the French corruption and took part in the Oil for Food scandals first hand.

I'm drawing the connections seeing how we never got any cheap oil from the ordeal, that the only connection to the Iraq war and oil was the corrupt countries who stood to lose by a war and rejection one on those grounds.

So yea, you have been marked funny for your comment. I just think some people don't realize how funny it really it.

Re:One Way To Easily Defeat French Scammers ... (1)

hey! (33014) | more than 6 years ago | (#22558756)

Speaking of "surrender", my brother in law is a contract officer for a major defense contractor. He sometimes travels around the world to help work on bids for major defense systems, but no matter where he goes, the French competition will be there. They don't concede anything. Even in South Korea, which depends on major US presence to keep the North on its side of the DMZ, they made a major effort to win the contract from the US firm, even though it was politically unlikely to succeed.

France is a major pioneer in economic espionage as well.

While "everybody does it" to some degree, the French government is much more aggressive in defending and advancing French economic interests than the US government. We tend to be much more concerned with taking sides in internal economic rivalries, between workers an companies wanting to offshore jobs for example. By in large even workers don't care about other Americans' jobs being offshored. Economic internationalism is the dominant ideology across the board, it's only details that are tweaked.

so much better than.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22557604)

This drama is soooo much better than software found on store shelves in glossy boxes.

Psshhht! http://www.meisterseelig.com/ runs ASPX (0, Offtopic)

ArsenneLupin (766289) | more than 6 years ago | (#22557690)

http://www.meisterseelig.com/ [meisterseelig.com] (webshite of the law firm involved) runs on ASPX. I wonder how long it will take until it will be decorated by a shiny red moon...

a quick strings shows they do have the same parent (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22557716)

I downloaded the exe from shareaza.com and unpacked it (strings showed it was a wise installer, google wise unpack)
strings shareaza.exe gave loads and loads of function names error messages etc.
Downloaded the source from real shareaza (from sourceforge) ran grep against those names and everyone tried matched.
I need to try and do a proper comparasion, but IMHO the exe is created from the a branch of the open source 'true' version

Suspected Web Forgery site in Firefox (1)

splict (1024037) | more than 6 years ago | (#22557802)

At least firefox correctly flagged it. I have it running off of the downloaded list not the connection to google. (Ubuntu 7.10 - Firefox 2.0.0.12)

What GPL code are they using? (3, Insightful)

Skapare (16644) | more than 6 years ago | (#22557826)

What GPL code are they using? Are they actually using some identifiable GPL code in their distributed software without complying with the GPL licensing requirements? Are they using the original SHAREAZA team's actual software (modified to do the nasty things)? All I see in the article are issues regarding an allegation of a stolen domain and an allegation of a plot to perform a distributed denial of service attack. If they did in fact make any use of GPL software without complying with the GPL licensing (such as making the source code available to anyone they distribute the software to), then by all means pursue legal remedies for that. Otherwise, the standing issues are the stolen domain and DDoS plot.

Oh, delicious irony. (2, Funny)

The Ultimate Fartkno (756456) | more than 6 years ago | (#22557924)

FTA:

"It's no surprise that emotions run high when people are ripped off..."

It's not getting "ripped off," it's SHARING!

Neat (1)

mrbah (844007) | more than 6 years ago | (#22558224)

So if I break into your house, steal all your stuff, then sue you for the house, I'm legally protected? Neat!

Typical scammer behaviour (4, Informative)

anticypher (48312) | more than 6 years ago | (#22558236)

Although TFA mentions the French equivalent of the RIAA, I'm puzzled at which it could be. Is it the IFPI, or the only group with legal jurisdiction in France, the SNEP? I can't find any other reference to France or French companies.

The original shareaza.com site resolves to an IP address (207.232.22.55) in New York, but listed with a fake front company with an Israeli ISP. The ISPs netvision.net.il and elron.net are known pink-contract, i.e. spammer friendly, hosting companies, they've been known to set up netblocks for spammers and run them until they are in every blacklist, then migrate in another netblock for the spammers. Most of the dodgy hosting is done in the U.S. and Russia. elron.net has been associated with the Russian Business Network, but a quick google doesn't turn up any easy links to back that up.

Someone posted above about shareazasecurity.be (195.47.247.137), but that goes to a server hosted in Denmark.

Although there is some mis-direction by throwing international company names into the mix (a classic scammer tactic), this appears to be mostly a U.S. based operation.

the AC

French EFF (1)

Midnight Thunder (17205) | more than 6 years ago | (#22558416)

Is there a French branch of the EFF who could help take these slimeballs to court?

SCPP (2, Informative)

Midnight Thunder (17205) | more than 6 years ago | (#22558544)

As many observant /.ers have pointed out, it is not the French RIAA, since the last 'A' is America, and last time I looked France is in Europe (despite some beliefs [youtube.com] ). The French equivalent of the RIAA is the SCPP [www.scpp.fr] (Société Civile des Producteurs Phonographiques).

If they really are infringing copyright (1)

hakr89 (719001) | more than 6 years ago | (#22558576)

Then file a DMCA takedown notice with their ISP. That ought to shut them up pretty quick, and is in a way an even more effective DOS attack.

The Crimson King (1)

pimpmeister (778342) | more than 6 years ago | (#22558638)

O'Discordia!

page source shows all redirected - shareazaweb.com (2, Informative)

Locutus (9039) | more than 6 years ago | (#22558778)

there's nothing on the www.shareaza.com/index.html page referencing page components from the base shareaza.com domain. It's all redirected to shareazaweb.com, a GoDaddy.com registered domain with DNS entries going to Israel.

DNS1=NETVISION.NET.IL
this is all in a hebrew-looking language and unreadable by me

DNS2=ELRON.NET
nowhere did I find in the list of companies they own for IT software does it list Shareaza

Many might already have noticed that Firefox flags this as a possible hijacked site and it sure looks like a strange partnership is behind this. IMO.

raw whois data:

$ whois shareazaweb.com

Whois Server Version 2.0

Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net/ [internic.net]
for detailed information.

      Domain Name: SHAREAZAWEB.COM
      Registrar: GODADDY.COM, INC.
      Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com
      Referral URL: http://registrar.godaddy.com/ [godaddy.com]
      Name Server: DNS.NETVISION.NET.IL
      Name Server: NYPOP.ELRON.NET
      Status: clientDeleteProhibited
      Status: clientRenewProhibited
      Status: clientTransferProhibited
      Status: clientUpdateProhibited
      Updated Date: 28-nov-2007
      Creation Date: 22-nov-2007
      Expiration Date: 22-nov-2008

>>> Last update of whois database: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:28:26 UTC

DNS problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22558780)

I heard the theory that it's a DNS problem: The real host has changed IP and nobody could update the DNS entries to point to the new IP, probably because Nilson is the only person that could do that and he can't be contacted. Somehow, someone on the old IP found out that he can take advantage of this and did so (or sold the idea to someone). I don't know if this is true though. Surely, it's quite suspicious that nobody has been able to ever contact Nilson in this whole time.

Bad Summary (1)

ohtani (154270) | more than 6 years ago | (#22559008)

The summary makes no clear indication of what or why they wanted to shut down. The actual target appears to be the FORUMS due to a specific comment suggesting that the open source project include code to make a small request to shareaza.com, effectively attempting to DDoS it in a forum post apparently titled "suggestions to kill Shareaza.com"

I have no sympathy for the people who took the domain, but do NOT take matters into your own hands like that! ...and if you do, don't go publicly announcing it!

Re:Bad Summary (1)

ohtani (154270) | more than 6 years ago | (#22559148)

BTW apparently, there IS an ongoing (and working) LEGAL method of "sticking it to the man": The users of the forums have taken it upon themselves to report shareaza.com as a forgery site to google, so anybody going to shareaza.com with a browser that can query google.com for forgery sites will get a notice about it.
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