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Microsoft Trying To Appeal to the Unix Crowd?

CmdrTaco posted more than 6 years ago | from the well-we-are-very-sexy dept.


DigDuality writes "With the news that Windows 2008 (recently discussed on Slashdot) will have GUI-less installs and be fully scriptable, that they've opened up their communication protocols for non-commercial usage and are providing a patent covenant (Redhat Responds), and now finally an interesting rumor floating around that Microsoft will be taking on GNU directly. Has Microsoft totally switched gears in how it is approaching the Unix and FOSS sector for direct competition? According to an anonymous email leaked from a Microsoft employee, it seems Microsoft will be developing a framework that will be completely GNU compatible. Microsoft CEO, Steve Ballmer, said on Friday (23 February) that they are aiming to restore a Unix-like environment to its former proprietary glory, at the same time proving that Microsoft is committed to interoperability. Ballmer emphasized that Microsoft's new strategy is to provide users with a complete package, and this includes users who like Unix environments. According to the supposedly leaked email, UNG, which stands for UNG's not GNU, is set to be released late 2009."

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Wow (5, Funny)

Renegade Lisp (315687) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573388)

A rumour that sounds about as trustworthy as an e-mail from Nigeria.

Re:Wow (5, Insightful)

ZeroFactorial (1025676) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573556)

Does Balmer actually understand the holy war he's getting the company into?

This is like Satan trying to appeal to Christians.

*nix users have already eaten the apple and realized they were duped.
If the Nigerian princes are right, I'd say it's time to sell your Microsoft stock.

Re:Wow (5, Funny)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573710)

This is like Satan trying to appeal to Christians.
Is that really that great of a description? I mean, Satan is depicted as putting money, power, wealth, women, and other temptations in front of Christians to tempt them from their path. He's also depicted as regularly succeeding.

I think the analogy you're looking for is something more along the lines of selling sno-cones to Eskimos.

Re:Wow (3, Interesting)

ZeroFactorial (1025676) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573944)

You insensitive clod! I'm an Eskimo and I love the sweet tasty goodness of a cool, sugary sno-cone.

Also, you left one other difference out:
Satan engages in questionable business practices.
Oh wait....

Re:Wow (1)

sundarvenkata (1214396) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573566)

I completely agree. Slow news day?? CmdrTaco, I think you can also link to the letter that reveals your newly found wealth in Cambodia.

Re:Wow (4, Insightful)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573608)

I dunno, seems plausible enough to me. I was always of fan of the idea of extracting the NT kernel and doing a GNU distribution on top of it. (Something which is theoretically possible even without Microsoft's help, though rather difficult.) Microsoft would never have been happy about it because it would further erode their lock-in.

Of course, these days Microsoft's lock-in is slipping away fast. More and more programs are showing up on the Mac, the web is going standards-compliant, and Java has ensured that Windows no longer locks customers in on the server side.

The way I see it, Microsoft is fighting. Which is step 3 of 4 in Ghandi's formula for success: "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."

Re:Wow (5, Insightful)

Andrzej Sawicki (921100) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573878)

If anything it's a step on the way from Embrace to Extend. Later to be followed by Extingiush. I wonder, though, if the target isn't a tad too big this time. We'll see, I guess.

Re:Wow (4, Insightful)

jayhawk88 (160512) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573640)

Perhaps, but there's no denying that products like Server 2008 and Powershell definitely have a very *nix flavor to them and are at least partially meant to appeal to the Linux crowd. I'm sure MS would love to make the MySQL/MSSQL or IIS/Apache decision a little more difficult for a lot of admins out there.

Re:Wow (5, Informative)

diegocgteleline.es (653730) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573672)

I don't agree. Microsoft IS trying to make Windows the best FOSS platform. The goal is not to be nice to FOSS, but to try to damage Linux. It's not me who says it, but Mary Jo Foley [zdnet.com] (who got it from a Microsoft), one of the most journalists experts in microsoft, if not the best. Quote:

"Microsoft is looking at open-source software (OSS) as just another flavor of independent software vendors (ISV) software. Microsoft's goal is to convince OSS vendors to port their software to Windows. But Microsoft doesn't want OSS software to just sit on top of Windows; the company wants this software to be tied into the Windows ecosystem by integrating with Active Directory, Microsoft Office, Expression designer tools, System Center systems-management wares and SQL Server database.

In cases where customers and software vendors want/need Linux to still be part of the picture for some reason, Microsoft will suggest they use Hyper-V, its forthcoming virtualization hypervisor, to run Linux and Linux-dependent applications.

Microsoft's OSS strategy makes a lot of sense for Microsoft. It's another way for Microsoft to try to make Linux obsolete, and not look as obviously ruthless doing so. And for OSS vendors who are selling a lot of their software on Windows -- Ramji repeated a couple of times that more than 50 percent of JBoss' business these days is from software running on Windows -- Microsoft's OSS push isn't a bad deal, either.

Re:Wow (4, Funny)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573908)

When I can recompile the Windows kernel to my liking, then we'll talk about how Windows will be a better FOSS platform.

Re:Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22573730)

Still, any time you see the beginning of an "Embrace", watch out.

Re:Wow (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22573932)

If only Microsoft would release a cute little action figure [microsoft.com] related to this, I would be interested. Until then, I'm not.

MS is a business (4, Insightful)

Shados (741919) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573408)

A business tries to appeal to its market. The market changed. MS will change too. Its just long to shift gears of such a behemoth.

Re:MS is a business (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573666)

Oh, c'mon. You're not really buying this crap are you? If this were remotely true, it would mean that Microsoft is pretty much scrapping it's entire codebase for Windows and replacing it with a Unix or Unix-like architecture. And, they're gonna ship it by late next year.

Do you also believe in Santa Claus? The Easter Bunny?

Re:MS is a business (2, Informative)

Shados (741919) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573928)

Err? Nothing even remotely hint at that.

All it means is that Windows (which btw, already has a partial, optional, Unix-like stack btw!) is going to offer more open source tools, more command-line utilities, more GUI-less fonctions, more open protocols.

Thats it. And thats been in the process for like ever (The latest version of Exchange for example, is fully administrated from Windows Powershell. The GUI works Unix-style, with a front end calling the CLI commands.).

Nothing more, nothing less.

Re:MS is a business (4, Informative)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573996)

Windows NT has had a POSIX layer since the beginning. At any point Microsoft could have extended this and ported over GNU tools if they had wanted. The whole thing smells of bullshit, and Powershell is not bash. It may have its advantages, but you sure can't bring over a library of thousands of shell scripts.

Cygwin is a solution, but of course, that has nothing to do with Microsoft.

Re:MS is a business (4, Informative)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573968)

it would mean that Microsoft is pretty much scrapping it's entire codebase for Windows and replacing it with a Unix or Unix-like architecture.
Says who? The NT kernel was designed to be able to project different "personalities", much in the same way that Mac OS X does. The POSIX system necessary has been available in Windows for just shy of forever [wikipedia.org] in an effort to win government contracts and companies that require POSIX as a checkbox on their requisition forms.

Of course, their support hasn't been very good, but that has more to do with an unwillingness on Microsoft's part rather than any real technical reason. Typically Microsoft implements sub-standard support, then claims that their support is top notch. A few examples of this are the David Korn debacle:

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/02/06/2030205 [slashdot.org]

Just as bad was the Kerberos debacle where Microsoft extended Kerberos for Windows [schneier.com] such that Unix machines could subscribe to a Windows domain, but a Windows machine could not subscribe to a Unix domain. I called a rep on it in one of their presentations on Win2K, and he assured me that I was mistaken.

tags: fake, vaporware (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22573668)

I'm still tagging it fake and vaporware. This has been promised before and dropped out. Add it to the list with WinFS and other crap. Besides, even if it does ship, it's still on Windows. You can't do anything serious with that, at least not if you're planning on connecting it to the net.

With the easy to maintain first rate tools out there, (Solaris, NetBSD, OpenBSD, OS X, FreeBSD, Linux), why go with a hard to use, hard to maintain, insecure second rater? The productivity hit you take by bringing MS into the subnet will stress and drive away your skilled staff. Then the real problems kick in when all you have left are the trained monkeys you hire by the dozen from want-ads. Then just when you think the services can perform any worse or any less reliably, then the swarm of trained monkeys start replacing good systems with MS cruft, eventually pushing the whole house into crisis mode, stressing and driving away your skilled non-technical staff.

No thanks. Stick to stuff you are good at Steve, like that monkey dance of yours.

You cracked it! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22573738)

> "A business tries to appeal to its market"

Therefore Microsoft is not a business?

Microsoft: UNG's not GNU (5, Funny)

FlameWise (84536) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573418)

> UNG, which stands for UNG's not GNU

Wait is it april's fool's already?

Re:Microsoft: UNG's not GNU (5, Funny)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573550)

In related news, Microsoft announced today that it has hired Richard M. Stallman and Linus Torvalds, who will be working together as partners on their new UNG project. Torvalds and Stallman hugged following a speech given by Steve Ballmer, and promised to put their differences in the past.

Unrelated re your sig: (0, Offtopic)

ZeroFactorial (1025676) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573712)

I have blind faith in gravity - I'm pretty sure that's safe.
Unless of course you're one of those people who stays tethered down "just in case"...
Also I have blind faith in "The Boss". He's never led me wrong... er... wait a minute...

Re:Unrelated re your sig: (1)

doti (966971) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573876)

No, your faith in gravity is far for blind. It's actually the opposite.
You know gravity is here, you feel it, you see it's effect every day.

"Blind faith" does not mean you can't optically see the subject.

Re:Unrelated re your sig: (1)

JesseMcDonald (536341) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573970)

By definition, it's not blind faith if there's evidence and a consistent model to support your predictions. Lots of observations indicating that things tend to stay on the ground, plus a model consistent with these observations that predicts things will continue to tend towards staying on the ground, leads to rational faith that one isn't going to just float away without a tether.

Blind faith is when your model goes beyond the minimum necessary to explain the observations, such that you are selecting an unnecessarily complex (i.e. over-constrained) model out of a range of possibilities.

this has to be fake (2, Interesting)

kevgaxxana (1197617) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573420)

microsoft is way to, what's the word, oh yeah, proud to let their os be subject to community modification.

Re:this has to be fake (1)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573478)

you are so right - quite obviously Orochimaru is the original character. I don't think evil had ever been associated with a snake before that - so Rowling must have stolen it! What a hack.

Obligatory Jokes (4, Funny)

SendBot (29932) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573422)

Microsoft: Bringing new meaning to "Gnu's not unix"

Didya hear that there's this operating system that gives you the best of windows and linux? It's called linux!

book about UNG (5, Funny)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573426)

There is already a book out on UNG [oreillymaker.com]. How do publishers knock this stuff out so quickly?

Re:book about UNG (1)

Silver Sloth (770927) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573494)

Err... that site is a parody. It doesn't take that long to knock out a parody.

BTW, I love the author's name E.X.Tend who presumably co-writes with E.M.Brace

Re:book about UNG (1)

Otter (3800) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573742)

This whole thing seems like an April Fools joke that was accidentally distributed a month early.

UNG's not GNU? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22573430)

That's taking recursive acronyms to a whole new level.

Race to the bottom (1)

dsginter (104154) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573440)

The water will seek its own level. I've written a high-level overview [slashdot.org] of what could happen if tech workers leveraged Free Software to "Embrace and Extend" the tech industry down to the employment level. Unless Microsoft (and many, many others) go the Free Software route, then this plan does not include them.

Re:Race to the bottom (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22573624)

Nobody is going to read your stupid article. Get a job.

Re:Race to the bottom (3, Insightful)

FudRucker (866063) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573756)

since UNG is for non-commercial use only that mean business wont be able to use it... just jane & joe sixpack on his home PC...

Nice knowing you Linux (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22573454)

Linux on the server will be dead soon. Do you all realize that Windows has been regaining server market share from Linux the past 2 years with a 6 year old product? With 2008 coming out, you'll be a small niche again in no time. But hey, there's always the year of the Linux Desktop to look forward to.

Windows Services for Unix (3, Interesting)

TheRealMindChild (743925) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573462)

And what is the difference between this and Windows Services for Unix [microsoft.com]? Sounds like rebranding to me.

Re:Windows Services for Unix (1)

zappepcs (820751) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573536)

Personally, I think this is a big step. Linux fanbois missed it. Microsoft is imploding. 2 years ago chairs would fly at even the suggestion that Windows should cater to Linux users in any form. Now MS seems to have a 'we do GNU too' attitude.

From bully on the playground to 'why can't we all play nice' ??

Don't believe it for a second, but take heart, GNU/Linux has made an impression in Redmond big enough to affect the marketing machine.

Re:Windows Services for Unix (4, Insightful)

Alioth (221270) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573920)

I hope SFU has had some improvement since I last tried it a couple of years ago. Running as an NT subsystem, and owned by MS, it should just be miles better than Cygwin. However, it feels like ISC Unix in 1991, and has poor source compatibility with other Unixes and Unixlikes such as Solaris, *BSD and Linux. Cygwin was blowing it away two years ago and probably still is.

Will believe it when I see it (2, Insightful)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573464)

And I think this is fair enough to be applied to any company, not just Microsoft.

This one's a whopper. (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573466)

Next thing you're gonna say is that a black man and a white woman are both viable contenders for the U.S. presidency in 2008....oh, wait...

Makes some sense (1)

sayfawa (1099071) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573480)

What's that line?

Something like "Those who forget Unix are doomed to recode it". So the last big OS vendor is finally coming around. Good.

As for involving GNU as part of their plans, of course it's a trap :)

Re:Makes some sense (2, Informative)

Constantine XVI (880691) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573614)

IIRC, it's "Those who fail to understand Unix are doomed to reinvent it, poorly" Can't recall the source ATM

Re:Makes some sense (5, Funny)

genik76 (1193359) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573636)

>Something like "Those who forget Unix are doomed to recode it".

And those who forget important quotes are condemned to reinvent them, poorly.

This could be a trap for OSS (1)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573482)

In future they will be able to say "they must have copied our code" SCO wise.

Re:This could be a trap for OSS (1)

garett_spencley (193892) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573586)

You're right. We need to watch out. Novell's demise should have taught the FOSS world a very valuable lesson.

Wait, what ?

Re:This could be a trap for OSS (1)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573994)

But look at the FUD it gained against OSS. Microsoft won't bring a case themselves, they'll transfer rights to some small company and "license" it back at a rate large enough to fund legal shenanigans.

my opinion (1)

theMerovingian (722983) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573504)

they are aiming to restore a Unix-like environment to its former propriety glory

The most glorious thing that I can remember about proprietary unix was the awesome pizza box cases [classiccmp.org]. I seriously have no idea why the PC "tower" caught on instead of that.

Re:my opinion (1)

plague3106 (71849) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573634)

Because no one wants to waste desk space with that? My monitor takes up less space.

Re:my opinion (1)

tuffy (10202) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573916)

The Sparcstation typically went directly under the monitor. That added little to the amount of desk space used while increasing the monitor height slightly.

These days, the prevalence of LCDs makes the design less practical.

Re:my opinion (1)

garett_spencley (193892) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573828)

I had one of those sitting on my desk for a while, it was an UltraSparc actually, so a little newer. Solaris (7 I think) + UFS + IDE = agonizing pain.

Simply because of the slow read/writes it took about 30 minutes to do a compile that would take 3 - 5 minutes on an equivalently clocked x86 box.

I loved SUN's servers but their low-end workstations put new meaning to the word 'low end'.

Re:my opinion (1)

Firehed (942385) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573986)

Have you never seen a rackmount server? Something in a pretty similar enclosure continues to exist - though as another responder points out, it's an unnecessarily large footprint for desktop use (probably the single largest reason I don't have a nice rackmount for my home server).

Open protocols and MSFT not compatible (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22573520)

I am with Bjarne on this one.
Bjarne Stroustrup, creator of the C++ programming language, claims that C++ is experiencing a revival and
that there is a backlash against newer programming languages such as Java and C#. "C++ is bigger than ever.
There are more than three million C++ programmers. Everywhere I look there has been an uprising
- more and more projects are using C++. A lot of teaching was going to Java, but more are teaching C++ again.
There has been a backlash.", said Stroustrup.

Full circle (1)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573524)

Windows 2008 (recently discussed on Slashdot) will have GUI-less installs and be fully scriptable, that they've opened up their communication protocols for non-commercial usage

Sounds like DOS 3.1 to me! Will it run KDE or Gnome?

doubting the veracity (1)

czmax (939486) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573546)

This would move developers away from Microsoft's proprietary APIs and functionalities, aka their lock-in. The end result would be developers writing 'GNU' type code and expecting it to run on either Vista or any 'Unix' environment. Suddenly Vista has to compete on its own merits and can't depend on "killer applications" to pull people in.

Although I think this a good thing, and Apple thinks this a good thing, and Linux thinks this is a good thing I'll be a bit surprised if somebody at Microsoft has convinced enough leads that they now think it is a good thing.


If money can be made from free software... (1)

TwoQuestions (1111637) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573570)

then why wouldn't Microsoft give it a whirl? If it makes money, great. If it doesn't, then sue the pants off of anyone who extended or modified their stuff. It doesn't seem too irrational to try to make money the free software way, and worst comes to worst, they can make money spreading FUD and litigation!

Too good to be true (1)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573580)

I've begged for YEARS to the non-existent God for Microsoft to get a clue and make their operating system Unix-like (if not completely replace their kernel with a Unix kernel). It would literally be the perfect operating system: Unix compatibility and mainstream Application compatibility. It would ROCK SO HARD.

Unfortunately, I just can't see it happening. It would be far too smart for Microsoft. --weeps--

Re:Too good to be true (1)

red star hardkore (1242136) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573680)

There's already enough crying over Vista's incompatibiliy problems. If they completely replaced the Kernel, nothing would work. Sure MS could include an emulator/virtual machine of Vista, but then what would be the incentive for app developers to port their code to the new kernel when people can still use it on the old?

Re:Too good to be true (1)

plague3106 (71849) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573856)

My god, the Unix kernel isn't the be all end all of OSes. What is with this attitude that Unix was the best? Unix didn't get computers infront of just about everyone, it just about rotted and died in universities and research companies.

Re:Too good to be true (0)

pyite (140350) | more than 6 years ago | (#22574000)

Unix compatibility and mainstream Application compatibility. It would ROCK SO HARD.

If only this existed [apple.com] already... Ah, one can dream.

I heard about this several years ago... (1)

emil10001 (985596) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573582)

I had heard about this several years ago (2005?). My understanding was that Blackcomb was supposed to be built on a different paradigm that previous MS Windows, with a more Unix-like architecture. I heard that they were developing their own shell, and separating the GUI as a separate piece. As I understood it, they were going to try to make windows more modular, and give admins some better shell tools. ... not that I'll ever use it.

I don't have a link handy, but I remember reading this on the Microsoft website, probably in their development section or something.

Embrace, Extend and Extinguish (4, Insightful)

davecb (6526) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573590)

his is exactly what MS tried to do with Java, and did do with C#.

First, build a language or system that runs existing programs.

Then change the compilers so they use MS-only, intel-only features by default

Then add attractive features at the source level.

Pretty soon, you can port *to* the new platform, but can't port away from it.

[PS: If you're already in that situation and want to port, send me private email]

MSFT used to be a UNIX vendor (3, Informative)

peter303 (12292) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573598)

In the late 1970s and early 1980s MicroSoft sold a version of PC-UNIX called Xenix (they didnt write it). Until the mid-1990s PCs were too-weak to effectively run UNIX, so it was not a popular product. In the early 1980s MicroSoft decided to concentrate on MS-DOS and other products, so it sold Xenix to a company which eventually became SCO.

Microsoft's Linux replacement (1)

angryfirelord (1082111) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573612)

The aim of UNG is to write complete GNU-like tools and frameworks that will be completely compatible with existing GNU software and standards. These tools will run natively on Vista. This means that software written for the GNU environment will be able to compile and run on Vista with little or no modifications. Major software currently running on GNU/Linux will be able to run natively on Vista.
Sounds like Microsoft still wants to take out Linux, but instead of trying to force their own tools upon its users, they'll allow GNU tools and other programs to be substituted instead.

Of course, this sounds too good to be true. What will be used to compile said programs? When they say "little" modification, what is being implied? Will the GPL linking be forbidden in some way when you compile it on Vista?

Appeal? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22573684)

" Microsoft Trying to Appeal to the Unix Crowd?"

I thought Microsoft was trying to 'IMPALE' the unix crowd....

non-commercial uses (3, Insightful)

FooAtWFU (699187) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573690)

opened up their communication protocols for non-commercial usage
Get back to me when it's for general-purpose uses.

A rooted filesystem would help (1)

Trailer Trash (60756) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573716)

A rooted filesystem would help, too, along with a reasonable "fork", but at some point you just have a crappy, Microsoft version of Unix. Why bother?

Bristol vs Microsoft - nothing to trust in MS (1)

Locutus (9039) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573722)

A long time ago in a sector far far away, the Imperial Microsoft Death Star
set its sights on UNIX application vendors. The Death Star weapon was a
big success. See the Bristol vs Microsoft history. So, is there really
enough ignorance in the market to let them do it again?

http://www.google.com/search?q=bristol+vs+Microsoft [google.com]

"The Truth Is Out There," just look for all the evidence.
"Trust No One," at Microsoft.
"I Want to Believe" but they are still out to destroy Linux.


In other words, someone at the top said: (1)

ProteusQ (665382) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573754)

So, we can legally rebrand every BSD codebase as MS products? No kidding...!

They have to by law (4, Informative)

esocid (946821) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573784)

This is just a conference to make it look like this interoperability was all their idea. From this quote:

This covenant will use the exact same terms created in October for the protocols covered by the CFI decision. This means that open source developers will be able to use the documentation to develop implementations of these protocols without paying for a patent license. Companies that subsequently engage in commercial distribution of these protocol implementations will be able to obtain a patent license from Microsoft, as will enterprises that obtain these implementations from a distributor that does not have such a patent license. So that's how we're addressing the intellectual property rights
you can see that all they are doing is simply complying with the CFI's [weil.com] decision about how the

Commission found that Microsoft had abused its monopoly in the market for client PC operating systems by (i) refusing to supply its competitors in the market for work group server operating systems with "interoperability information," i.e., documentation allowing server products of Microsoft's competitors to freely interoperate with the Windows environment, and (ii) tying the Windows client PC operating system and Windows Media Player.

it was destined to be so... (1)

AceJohnny (253840) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573824)

"Those who do not understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly." - Henry Spencer

Non commercial use (1)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573832)

Is, I worry, an attempt to divide OSS from it's commercial funding. The RedHat's and Sun's, etc that put dollars into OSS which the users in turn benefit from.

Yeah..... Except (1)

mpapet (761907) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573844)

They'll do with Windows Server Core what they did with that home server garbage. You can't upgrade, migrate or otherwise get out of it. A quick and dirty search for an eula for Windows Server Core came up empty. Please, post one!

As is always the case with Microsoft, the first few features are free. It's the rest they'll screw you on.

Where is the news? (1)

WhyMeWorry (982235) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573846)

The article about microsoft taking on GNU sounds like microsoft is going to duplicate cygwin. Is this the great breakthrough? The only surprise is that they plan on doing this internally.

Trying to appeal or trying not to? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22573848)

How would MS be trying to appeal to the "Unix crowd" if all the things that it has supposedly done towards these ends (making available communication protocols) were things they were forced to do?

The real Microsoft UNG (1)

kabloom (755503) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573860)

Microsoft UNG [microsoft.com]

Microsoft C#UNG (pronounced "chung" and short for C# Universal Network/Graph System) is a desktop application that displays graphs, which are collections of vertices connected by edges. C#UNG can read graphs in several file formats, lay them out using one of several layout algorithms, and display them with a variety of display options. An Excel add-in enables graph data entered in an Excel worksheet to be displayed easily in C#UNG. The components used to develop the application are available as an API for developers who want to create and display graphs in their own applications.

Strange date (1)

fcarolo (101096) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573868)

Microsoft CEO, Steve Ballmer, said on Friday(23 February)
Yeah, he said this directly from his alternative universe, since in this universe Friday was February 22.

Dying desktop (1)

jhines (82154) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573896)

In this day of racks of headless servers, blades, virtual machines, the desktop metaphor that Microsoft has owned for so long is not as relevant as it once was. An increasing amount of their revenue is now coming from the backend that doesn't give a hoot about 3d transparency on a display.

Cultural Differences (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22573914)

1. Prank day is APRIL 1, not MARCH 1. Glad to see someone trying to learn the culture, though.
2. UNG -- nice touch. No matter how many times I've seen the acronym GNU explained in print, it has never been either clever or funny. Putting the same lack of cleverness and humor in your parody is an achievement.

Who's the target? (4, Insightful)

Phantom of the Opera (1867) | more than 6 years ago | (#22573918)

Let's see, the target audience could be :
    * people who hate M$'s guts all ready
    * Windows users who want to see what the fuss is all about
    * Manager who read this and think "my tech people like Unix, I can buy this and they will be happy".

Would anyone reading this want to touch it with a 10' pole? Anyone curious enough to find out what 'faster and easier' features they've added?

This is gonna be a dog, a distorted bizarro [wikipedia.org] unix.

The sound of a thousand toliets flushing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22573926)

[T]hey are aiming to restore a Unix-like environment to its former proprietary glory
Let's see. So, I can "buy" OpenSolaris from Sun, hire support services from Sun on contract as I need, and I can also hire in-house talent to do small custom modifications as necessary. Microsoft plans to enter this market with a proprietary (read: closed source) but interoperable product?

Well, Microsoft knows what it's doing. I'm sure this will go over as well as Vista has.

Who would rely on Microsoft support for this? (2, Interesting)

cptnapalm (120276) | more than 6 years ago | (#22574022)

Considering how routinely Microsoft drops support for something they offer, telling their users to switch over to their newest latest, greatest and best, who would actually rely on this thing for the long haul? This isn't even a "Microsoft is evil" post; I'm just not sure who would believe they could depend on Microsoft to continue support this over a long period of time.
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