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Ubuntu Brainstorm Launched

kdawson posted more than 6 years ago | from the good-ideas-are-where-you-find-them dept.

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thorwil writes "Brainstorm is a new site where everyone can submit and vote on ideas for Ubuntu. It's inspired by Dell's Ideastorm. By default, you see the ideas submitted by the community sorted by popularity. Each idea is accompanied by arrows so you can vote it up or down (you have to log in first). You can only click once per idea. So this is an easy way to submit ideas and see what people are really wanting."

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SLASHDOT SUX0RZ (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22593338)

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Re:SLASHDOT SUX0RZ (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22593640)

Ubuntu is shit. After 10 years of using linux, I decided to check Ubuntu out. I installed on a test workstation I have at my desk. It was easy. However, I use synergy so I can use one keyboard and mouse for the 4 computers and one laptop at my desk. Download the source, but WHY THE FUCK CAN'T GCC COMPILE EXECUTABLES????????? I apt-getted my fucking ass off for the next two hours to get a working gcc. Fine. Same goes for a bunch of other shit. Doesn't work. apt-get this, apt-get that. The last straw was when I installed flash for firefox. Now firefox starts crashing every 5 minutes.

I was so pissed that I didn't even bother wiping the drive. I changed the passwords, yanked the 200 Gig SATA drive and threw it in the trash. It angered me that much.

Re:SLASHDOT SUX0RZ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22593780)

GCC usually compiles .c source code files. Perhaps you were looking for GDB?

Re:SLASHDOT SUX0RZ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22593996)

I meant executable code. GCC would not compile executable code when I installed Ubuntu.

Re:SLASHDOT SUX0RZ (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22594412)

No wonder you failed, no sane person would try to feed an executable into GCC.

Re:SLASHDOT SUX0RZ (1)

endemoniada (744727) | more than 6 years ago | (#22593872)

I like how you didn't have time to wipe the disk before, but you DID think "Hmm, maybe I should change all my passwords before throwing away this perfectly good 200GB harddrive in a blind rage?"

Seriously, you fail at Google. It's as simple as that.

Re:SLASHDOT SUX0RZ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22593874)

You can't read != ubuntu sux.
An easily found 1 line solution... sudo apt-get install build-essential.

Re:SLASHDOT SUX0RZ (2, Informative)

unixfan (571579) | more than 6 years ago | (#22593942)

Wow!

In order to compile you need to install the dependencies which is very easy. I've been a power user of Linux since -95 and have checked out something like 100 distributions and O/S's.

Sometimes you get stomped because you have no idea of what you are doing. Things are so different that it simply does not make sense.

However, what saves the day just about every single time. Including your problem is Google!

In fact I ran into needing to compile something under Kubuntu a few days ago, on a remote server without X.

A quick google showed exactly the line to execute which installed the needed files. Ubuntu/Kubuntu has an extensive library of how to do things and when that fails someone has either put up instruction on a web page or in a forum. Being new to Linux and all it can be a total barrier to accomplish things. Spending a little time to get familiar with your new environment would have saved you a lot of headache, never mind 200GB.

Re:SLASHDOT SUX0RZ (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Crowhead (577505) | more than 6 years ago | (#22594150)

I did google my way through getting countless things that were crippled to work properly. But the point and click install of Flash completely fucking over Firefox was the straw that broke the camel's back. I verily realized that Ubuntu was linux for idiots and didn't really mind (at first) having to jump through all the hoops to make it useful to me. However, once my browser was broken all the shit I had to go through rushed back at me and I wondered what the fuck I was doing with such a chicken shit distro.

I have been using linux for 10 years and as a primary desktop for 8. I was deja newsing answers to my linux problems before Google even existed. I jumped through more hoops than I can count.

Re:SLASHDOT SUX0RZ (1)

mortonda (5175) | more than 6 years ago | (#22594112)

Fortunately, taking out the trash is one of your chores in exchange for still living with your mom, so you should still be able to go retrieve it. Next time you might try thinking to resolve your failures.

Re:SLASHDOT SUX0RZ (1)

Knuckles (8964) | more than 6 years ago | (#22594488)

Ubuntu's target group includes mainly non-expert users who don't compile stuff, and expert users who can be expected to know what to do to compile stuff. Thus there is no libc6-dev by default to save space on the installer CD, to help facilitate the complete install from one CD. You just need to install build-essentials. Google has a page full of hits with straight solutions if you search for "ubuntu can't compile executables".

Re:SLASHDOT SUX0RZ (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22594628)

Actually, build-essentials is on the installer cd--it's just not installed by default. You can install it while running the LiveCD to compile whatever. I used it to compile the kernel module for my winmodem before installation of the OS proper.

Re:SLASHDOT SUX0RZ (1)

Knuckles (8964) | more than 6 years ago | (#22594690)

build-essentials is on the installer cd--it's just not installed by default.

Ah ok, thanks for the correction. Any idea why it is not installed then? It seems kind of pointless if it's on the CD anyway.

"build-essential" (singular), sorry. n/t (1)

Knuckles (8964) | more than 6 years ago | (#22594528)

"build-essential" (singular), sorry. n/t (stupid slashdot won't let me post w/o body text)

Slashdotted (5, Funny)

The Aethereal (1160051) | more than 6 years ago | (#22593348)

I vote for a better web server.

Re:Slashdotted (5, Informative)

stgraber (1247908) | more than 6 years ago | (#22593646)

Well, we reached slashdot, digg and wired frontpages almost at the same time so indeed the web server is having a bad time :)
The sysadmins are working on it and we hope to have something faster (we don't say fast) soon.

Re:Slashdotted (1)

deejross (1248166) | more than 6 years ago | (#22593802)

It was slow already because of all the Diggers, now the /.ers may actually kill it. I WAS in the middle of writing an idea, but I guess it will be a while before it will let me submit it :(

I was going to say Great Idea .... (4, Funny)

garett_spencley (193892) | more than 6 years ago | (#22593358)

and go test it out and offer my, informed, $0.02.

But you bastards slashdotted it. Now I'm mad. But I don't really have a reason to because if it weren't for slashdot I wouldn't even know it exists. Yet since I think it's an awesome but can't access it to check it out I hate you all.

So yeah ... my head hurts.

First post ?

Color (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22593432)

Change the damn default brown color.

Re:Color (0, Troll)

Goaway (82658) | more than 6 years ago | (#22593614)

Does it threaten your fragile sexuality, or what?

Re:Color (1)

cptnapalm (120276) | more than 6 years ago | (#22593798)

Might be because it looks like crap.

Not a figure of speech.

On a color related note, they should have a pink theme. I showed some female co-workers all the different ways you could make Ubuntu look and all of them, without exception, flipped out when they saw pink; doubly so when it was pink and black.

Re:Color (1)

Knuckles (8964) | more than 6 years ago | (#22594560)

Shit, earth, tree bark, yeah. Half the world is brown. How can you stand that?

Re:Color (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 6 years ago | (#22594766)

Dirt and bark. That sounds like the desolation of winter where there is no green because
all of the leaves died and fell off the trees.

Plenty of people get clinical depression from nothing more than having to look at that sort of landscape for 3 months.

Dunno about you but my part of the planet tends to be green.

Re:Color (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22593826)

They already are. Ubuntu 8.04 is departing from the Human theme for something completely different (and probably not brown).

Re:Color (2, Informative)

zeroduck (691015) | more than 6 years ago | (#22594332)

They pushed back the release of the new theme to 8.10. People on the Ubuntu-Art list are pretty much against changing the orange/brown color scheme.

Re:Color (4, Insightful)

psychodelicacy (1170611) | more than 6 years ago | (#22594176)

Seriously? This is a great OS, which I (English major, with no previous Linux experience) got up and working in a day with no help except Google. It's so many different kinds of cool that I don't know where to begin. And you're bitching about the colour? Can you really not be bothered to make a few clicks to get a different scheme?

HomerCar Linux (5, Funny)

inflamed (1156277) | more than 6 years ago | (#22593490)

This is superficially a good idea, until you realize that it's the slashdot crowd that will come out and vote on features. Soon enough, Ubuntu will release its latest version and we will reap the harvest we have sown. Ubuntu 8: HomerCar

Re:HomerCar Linux (1)

SilverEyes (822768) | more than 6 years ago | (#22593734)

If Ubuntu could only agree on what type of car it is for all the car analogies. HomerCar seems like the way to go...

My first submission (4, Funny)

TitusC3v5 (608284) | more than 6 years ago | (#22593514)

1.) Upgrade servers.

Re:My first submission (2, Funny)

gambolt (1146363) | more than 6 years ago | (#22594124)

You mean put debian on them?

While servers are meltin... (4, Interesting)

Pecisk (688001) | more than 6 years ago | (#22593548)

All those ideas are fine, but requires huge work from developers/testers/doc writers/etc. In fact, infrastructure, framework (a la NetworkManager and GST) are all there, just integrate it in sensible way!

Also, I am kinda worried that this web site will atract just geeks, and geeks have very very different values and thoughts about program choice as common users. Also requests to replace sensible defaults or default beahivour should be taken with grant of salt.

Anyway, nothing new, but it is nice to have it. Let's hope some features requested there will be rolled out in Ubuntu/Kubuntu 8.10.

Re:While servers are meltin... (1)

swimtedswim (1243640) | more than 6 years ago | (#22593620)

Let's hope some features requested there will be rolled out in Ubuntu/Kubuntu 8.10. which will be called.... the Slashy dotter

Re:While servers are meltin... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22593876)

Let's hope some features requested there will be rolled out in Ubuntu/Kubuntu 8.10 which will be called .... the Slashy dotter

No no no! We should all make sure that Ubuntu 11.10 is called the "Slashed Otter".

Re:While servers are meltin... (1)

nand-ubuntu (1248164) | more than 6 years ago | (#22593764)

It's already feature freeze. At this point of the timeline, the ideas will be used at the next Ubuntu Developer Summit, for Ubuntu 8.10.

Re:While servers are meltin... (4, Insightful)

div_2n (525075) | more than 6 years ago | (#22593840)

Ubuntu is fine for me. I'm happy with the improvements, but it's already a viable work and home platform for me now. But I've introduced it to a LOT of people with some successes and some failures.

The burden is on us geeks to see where it fails and try to determine the why so we can feed back to developers what isn't working for more average users. I suspect this will be the true power of brainstorm.

Re:While servers are meltin... (0)

kesuki (321456) | more than 6 years ago | (#22594218)

ubuntu definitely isn't for everybody.

if you only burn cd-rs, if you want a linux that can hot plug usb drives (even if they're in windows file systems) and write files to em, before burning dvds on windows... it's also pretty good, but linux just sucks at burning dvds. they use a retarded program called 'growisofs' that only makes coasters, because it's memory footprint is so big that the hd gets taxed out trying to add swapspaces, when you really only need the next 16 MB of the burn data cached to avoid buffer under-runs...

well, every linux dvd burning app uses the retarded growisofs that is clearly broken, and nobody cares because they only burn cds anyways..

i specifically picked out my dvd burner based on how reliable it is at burning dvds, after having a painful experience being an 'early' adopter of the 'pioneer a04' drive that could only handle pioneer blanks. so linux not working with it is retarded. everyone on the net was recommending the brand i bought.

but linux is great for web browsing, and im use, and the usb hd support is great, so i mean it's not like linux is worthless, it's just not nearly as good at basic tasks like dvd burning as windows is.

and linux has the best collection of 'simple' games ever, i remember buying cds full of sampler games in the past, and what linux has for free on the net now dwarfs those cd-rom collections in both simple game fun and selection.

Re:While servers are meltin... (2, Insightful)

wishmechaos (841912) | more than 6 years ago | (#22594306)

I've been using Ubuntu for more than two years and I've never had a DVD burn fail. Probably burnt more than 200 DVDs in that time... Both with Brasero and k3b. Maybe you've had bad luck?

Re:While servers are meltin... (1)

kesuki (321456) | more than 6 years ago | (#22594610)

I'm absolutely certain my drive is incompatible. 3 dvd blanks was all i was willing to waste in attempts to get dvd burning to work, since usb hd support is great, i just burn my dvds in windows. i even did a 'speed' test, and my hd was able to do 16X dvd speed reading, and tried to burn at 8x speed, which coastered...

Re:While servers are meltin... (1)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | more than 6 years ago | (#22594292)

1. ATI Support.

AND

2. Don't blame ATI. Yeah, yeah, "they're unprofessional and their drivers suck".

AND

3. Don't say, "you should buy a new video card lol" when someone asks for help. I will never buy another video card again. The End.

I wiped Ubuntu and went back to Win2k so I could use a 1280 resolution at 75Hz. Apparently 1024 at 60 was considered "good enough" by the forum folks.

Apart from the "eyestrain-o-vision", it was decent enough to work with. I use it at work all the time for running the CNC machine with EMC2. I thought it would be reasonable to try it out at home.

Apparently not.

Watch this - I'll be modded as a troll, or maybe flamebait.

Re:While servers are meltin... (1)

Inner_Child (946194) | more than 6 years ago | (#22594630)

I'm sorry, but could you possibly explain how it's *not* ATI's fault that they provide drivers that don't work well? They may work well enough for some, but it *is* their drivers at fault.

Re:While servers are meltin... (5, Insightful)

Blakey Rat (99501) | more than 6 years ago | (#22594358)

My idea is pretty simple.

Don't tell people that something is supported if it's not 100% supported. For example, if Ubuntu doesn't support the wireless card in some model of laptop (like my 14" iBook), remove that model from your supported list. Or if Ubuntu doesn't support sleep mode (like my 14" iBook), remove that from the list.

All of my bad Linux experiences have been from Linux/open source projects that claimed to support X, but didn't actually support X.

Re:While servers are meltin... (1)

jimmux (1096839) | more than 6 years ago | (#22594586)

Also, I am kinda worried that this web site will atract just geeks, and geeks have very very different values and thoughts about program choice as common users.

My impression from using the ubuntu forums is that there are a lot of common users out there who are willing to express their ideas about what is right or wrong with ubuntu.

At the time of this post the most popular idea/request is for a more attractive bootloader, which hardly strikes me as a geeky request. Personally, I'd be more concerned that they are besieged with "ideas" to "make it more like Vista".

Here are some ideas... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22593588)

1. Don't brick a computer if the bootloader fails to install.
2. Don't require a graphical interface to change the refresh rate that's set to a refresh rate out of range of the attached monitor.
3. Don't crash the entire OS when windows are resized. (As in, complete crash: the display is frozen and pressing Capslock no longer changes the Capslock state.)
4. Implement WPA support.
5. Don't crash on install if the update servers can't be reached because of #4.
6. Same as #5, but because there's a firewall and the proxy settings are apparently ignored.

Fix those, and I might actually be able to install Ubuntu.

Re:Here are some ideas... (5, Informative)

Kickboy12 (913888) | more than 6 years ago | (#22593622)

"4. Implement WPA support."

Ubuntu does have WPA support. The only times I fail to see WPA show up in the wireless options is if my wireless card doesn't support it.

Re:Here are some ideas... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22593744)

4a. Implement automated WiFi password hacking.

On a more serious note, they should work on polishing up everything instead of trying to expand right now. The only expansion they need to do is get more hardware functioning.

Re:Here are some ideas... (1)

RiotingPacifist (1228016) | more than 6 years ago | (#22594290)

On a more serious note, they should work on polishing up everything instead of trying to expand right now. The only expansion they need to do is get more hardware functioning.

Agreed, i reckon it should be 50% bug fixing, 20% tweaking, 20% hardware fixing, 10% new features! But then again that's likely to stagnate and stop development, but i completely agree that new features arn't really needed maybe finishing what they're started
1) use upstart instead of having it in legacy mode
2) use splashy instead of usplash

apart from that the only improvements i can think of are manly to do with setting features up (e.g having a compiz plugin installer or automated scripts to do the 'cool' stuff people show off on the forums).

p.s Its a shame the site died as id like to check they made their scope clear, too many times have i seen suggestions of a new program or an improvement to another program.

Re:Here are some ideas... (1)

squidinkcalligraphy (558677) | more than 6 years ago | (#22594088)

Had perfectly working WPA enterprise support via Network Manager in Feisty. Then it broke in Gutsy. Still works via wpasupplicant, but that gets messy (I need to run a script and reboot to switch between WPA at work and open access at home).

Too much like windoze (1)

ronmon (95471) | more than 6 years ago | (#22594534)

Been running Gentoo for years. Decided to put my lappy on Ubuntu to save compile time. WPA would not work like it has for a long time and couldn't override the stupid defaults. Easier to rebuild Gentoo from scratch. End of story.

Re:Here are some ideas... (2, Funny)

KingOfGod (884633) | more than 6 years ago | (#22593668)

Woa dude, I couldn't get Ubuntu to break that hard even if I tried, and I even call myself a sysadmin.

Re:Here are some ideas... (-1, Troll)

Neil Blender (555885) | more than 6 years ago | (#22593792)

Oh, my. Pointing out serious flaws in a linux distro is trolling. If it was 5 equally valid points about a Microsoft OS, it would be +5 insightful before you could blink.

Re:Here are some ideas... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22594670)

1. Don't brick a computer if the bootloader fails to install.
it's not bricked. try again,

2. Don't require a graphical interface to change the refresh rate that's set to a refresh rate out of range of the attached monitor.
use the recovery mode, type dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg set it using the medium settings dialog. perhaps an option on the bootloader menu [kernel, recovery, memtest, xorg] that doesn't require entering the command.

3. Don't crash the entire OS when windows are resized. (As in, complete crash: the display is frozen and pressing Capslock no longer changes the Capslock state.)
sounds like a bug, report it. use alt ctrl backspace to go back to login, if that doesn't work use alt + printscrn REISUB [the magic syskeys, built into the kernel of all linux distros]

4. Implement WPA support.
sure, if and when cards support it and/or release the relevant specs.

5. Don't crash on install if the update servers can't be reached because of #4. 6. Same as #5, but because there's a firewall and the proxy settings are apparently ignored.
ubuntu doesn't need to contact the servers to install correctly. it sounds like you're trying to update ubuntu without making sure you're connected first which is well duh...

Re:Here are some ideas... (1)

fosterNutrition (953798) | more than 6 years ago | (#22593862)

Worst troll ever, yet here I am feeding it:
    1. If the bootloader fails to install, the computer isn't bricked, just without a bootloader. And what did you expect? If the bootloader fails to install, install a bootloader? Nonsense.
    2. That is most certainly not required. I assume you are familiar with how to switch to a virtual terminal, or at least with booting into a lower, gui-less, runlevel.
    3. Don't know what could be the cause of your problem here, but if we're going with anecdotal evidence I'll trow in that I've never seen that happen.
    4. Are you for real? Do you really think nobody has implemented WPA support?
    5 & 6. Again, can't comment on your situation, but I'll include some anecdotal evidence once more: I once had a router issue while installing, and installed an extremely minimalist system without any problems whatsoever.

If you're having problems installing, you could always try the alternate install CD; I hear it works better in some cases.

Re:Here are some ideas... (1)

Stanistani (808333) | more than 6 years ago | (#22593918)

Ubuntudupe, is that you?

Re:Here are some ideas... (0)

UbuntuDupe (970646) | more than 6 years ago | (#22594500)

That actually wasn't me, although I would echo 1) except of course, to say, "near-brick" as in, "no one in the Ubuntu forums knows what to do at that point even given the install disc and the error message and specs".

I also smirked at 2) and 5), given Ubuntu's consistent ability to not just screw up, but to screw up whatever precaution you used against possibility of that particular screwup. Trying to confine Ubuntu to a secondary hard drive as a hedge against install failure? Sorry, sucker! It's HIGHLY RECOMMENDED that you put our flaky bootloader on your MAIN hard drive. bwahahahaha!

And then (see sig) ... you think you're tired of Ubuntu? Just going to delete your Ubuntu partition and forget the whole experience? Not so fast, sucker! Your boot sector is now scrambled! Try getting data off it now!

No, the AC wasn't me. But his sentiments match mine exactly.

Selection bias (1)

Goaway (82658) | more than 6 years ago | (#22593658)

This is more of a way to see what people who will register yet another account on some website are really wanting, not people in general.

Re:Selection bias (1)

wizardforce (1005805) | more than 6 years ago | (#22593816)

you're assuming that people who are registering at ubuntu brainstorm are in a vaccuum. even if the casual user doesn't register themselves, they are almost assured to have a nerdy friend who did. you can bet that a lot of nerds like us are going to be posting suggestions as to how to help grandma make the switch from windows to linux a little more comfortably.

Re:Selection bias (1)

VoltageX (845249) | more than 6 years ago | (#22593824)

But any time a feature request is made on ubuntuforums.org or linuxquestions, they can be referred to Brainstorm (once they rebuild the poor tortured servers).

Re:Selection bias (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22594092)

I for one refuse to register on such sites.

How about real disk management tools (3, Interesting)

Gothmolly (148874) | more than 6 years ago | (#22593706)

Sometimes its so simple, that you can't do anything. Why doesnt the disk util applet show LVM drives mounted? Why is there no GUI LVM interface?

Ugh (1)

TheRealMindChild (743925) | more than 6 years ago | (#22593838)

The problem is, while a person can be smart, the masses are stupid. I am willing to bet if you were to follow the most popular ideas on this project, you'll end up with something that feels an awful lot like Windows.

Re:Ugh (2, Interesting)

cptnapalm (120276) | more than 6 years ago | (#22594214)

I think you're at least partially right. Coming into somewhat unfamiliar territory, a user might very much desire things to work in a way that he already sort of understands. Both Gnome and KDE used to be Windows UI clones, pretty much. Now, Gnome is sort of a MacWin hybrid while KDE still looks to Windows for How It Is Done, insofar as basic look and functionality goes.

This tendency, I think, is problematic past the short term, precisely because it is not Windows so there are going to be differences which are masked initially, but pop up later so the same demand will be placed. It is, I think, better to, from the get go, start with a UI that works well, regardless of how different that turns out to be and not to present the user the illusion of familiarity.

The point being.... (5, Insightful)

m94mni (541438) | more than 6 years ago | (#22593886)

Are everyone on Slashdot failing to see what's new here?

Ubuntu has reached a kind of critical mass never before seen for any distro - they have far more non-technical users, far wider participation in the Forums and a great attitude towards newcomers.

The problem is - so far there has been no place except the forums for non-techies to participate and make their voices heard. I see four main categories of users:

1. Developers. If they see a problem, they can code a patch if necessary.
2. Technical users - these can test alpha and beta releases, and help locate bugs etc.
3. Non-technical but internet-savvy users - if they report an issue, it's often a big, missing feature (like, "I want my webcam to work")
4. Users that won't comment online in any case.

There is currently no place for the third category. Dell realized that, and it's really a shame that the FOSS community took this long to realize that there is a need for structured feedback from category three.

Kudos to Ubuntu, I wish them all luck with this initiative. Dell's ideastorm has been a success because Dell has actually listened to the community there. Let's hope Canonical etc. has the resources to fulfill some of the wishes of the community.

Re:The point being.... (4, Interesting)

jez9999 (618189) | more than 6 years ago | (#22594370)

The problem is - so far there has been no place except the forums for non-techies to participate and make their voices heard.

Not true actually. I investigated Linux distros a while back and was quite amazed at how hard it was to get your ideas for nerw features heard; Ubuntu was actually one of the only ones that did anything to listen. They've had the Idea Pool [ubuntu.com] for a while now.

Only slight problem is, no one reads it. My idea has been on there for about a year now.

Re:The point being.... (0, Troll)

WillDeed (70126) | more than 6 years ago | (#22594428)

The problem is - so far there has been no place except the forums for non-techies to participate and make their voices heard. I see four main categories of users:

1. Developers. If they see a problem, they can code a patch if necessary.
2. Technical users - these can test alpha and beta releases, and help locate bugs etc.
3. Non-technical but internet-savvy users - if they report an issue, it's often a big, missing feature (like, "I want my webcam to work")
4. Users that won't comment online in any case.

There is currently no place for the third category. Dell realized that, and it's really a shame that the FOSS community took this long to realize that there is a need for structured feedback from category three.


I don't think you're considering how diluted the help from the third category will be... For every accurate and truly missing feature request, you'll get 10 requests for "better myspace support" or get a bug report for some program because "I get a 'Permission Denied' error when I try to run 'make install'".

Category three users are much more likely to report n00b questions than actual bugs/missing features.

Re:The point being.... (4, Insightful)

DragonWriter (970822) | more than 6 years ago | (#22594614)

Category three users are much more likely to report n00b questions than actual bugs/missing features.


Places where novice users fail to understand the OS (including the relation of the OS to non-OS components) given the existing presentation are actual bugs and missing features, presuming those users are in the group Ubuntu is trying to reach.

ubuntu toaster edition (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22594162)

because it needs to be done

Drop Gnome (0, Redundant)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 6 years ago | (#22594184)

Definitely, drop Evolution.

Replace with XFCE and Claws. Or simply make Kubuntu the default, it's impressively snappy and sparing on memory in comparison.

What on earth were they thinking making Evolution core to the Gnome desktop?

 

Re:Drop Gnome (1)

peterc3 (1031342) | more than 6 years ago | (#22594254)

you could always just, oh i dont know, use kubuntu, xubuntu, or even fluxbuntu or *gasp* just not use any of them and roll your own

Re:Drop Gnome (1)

grahamd0 (1129971) | more than 6 years ago | (#22594378)

You know this isn't the Ubuntu Brainstorm server, right?

Re:Drop Gnome (1, Funny)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 6 years ago | (#22594420)

Yeah, but you killed it and so have to suffer my opinions instead...

 

Re:Drop Gnome (1)

cptnapalm (120276) | more than 6 years ago | (#22594476)

In reply to your initial post, XFCE would not be bad but I detest KDE.

And why has not your last post been modded funny?

Brainstorm request: Mod Colin Smith's 5:04PM post funny.

Great for devolopers/contributors too (1)

agwis (690872) | more than 6 years ago | (#22594330)

I'm glad I found out about this site from reading /. I have some free time for the next couple of months and have recently started looking for interesting projects I can contribute to. Hopefully once the article falls off /.'s front page, I may even be able to browse the site and see what people are most interested in!

I've always been a big Debian fan but lately have been installing Ubuntu/Kubuntu on everything. Friends, family, and anyone coming to me for help because they are frustrated with their current OS are much more receptive to Ubuntu (and more so Kubuntu) than other distros I've attempted to convert them to. A couple of previous posters have mentioned that a site like this will mostly be visited by sysadmin types, that want things normal users don't, and I believe that's a valid point. My hope is that Ubuntu stays the course and doesn't fall into the trap of trying to please everyone, do everything.

I think I will forward the URL of this site to everyone I've converted over and suggest to them to sign up and voice their opinions. I just hope the top items aren't things the normal folk don't understand or care about.

Fool proof VPN (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22594362)

I'm using 7.10 and having a hell of a time trying to get OpenSWAN to tunnel to a Linksys BEFVP41 at work. It's been difficult sorting through the howtos on the internet and I haven't yet figured out how to edit all the various configs to make it work.

I would hope it can become as easy as setting up a wireless WPA connection is now (kudos for the team for making that part pretty much automatic).

Usefulness (4, Insightful)

blueg3 (192743) | more than 6 years ago | (#22594448)

Granted, I don't know to what extent they're using this to drive their development, but...

Most people seem to be commenting that if just suggestions drive their development, the end result will be terrible. That's probably true. But often as a developer you just have no real idea if implementing X, which is on your to-do list, is a feature people even care about, wheras people may really care about implementing Y, another item you know you can take care of but just haven't gotten around to.

Damn Misleading Titles (2, Insightful)

Dretep (903366) | more than 6 years ago | (#22594490)

I thought it had something to do with Ubuntu supporting that Lego Brainstorm stuff. Or is that product not even around anymore? Still, turned what could've been an interesting article to the crapper - that and the site already being unavailable.

Allow upgrades from one LTS version to the next (4, Insightful)

schwaang (667808) | more than 6 years ago | (#22594676)

I love Ubuntu's long-term support (LTS) versions for grandma and "aunt tillie" because they don't need/want to upgrade the whole OS every 6 months. (Myself, I like the bleeding edge.)

But I'd like to be able to upgrade one LTS version to the next without having to do either the intermediate upgrades or a wipe-install. I know that would require a lot of testing, but for a lot of users who rely on the LTS release it would be a godsend.

[I don't have my finger on the pulse of Ubuntu, so if they've added this already don't flame me TOO much.]
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