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The X300 Could Usher in a New Generation of ThinkPads

Zonk posted more than 5 years ago | from the now-i-want-one dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "The ThinkPad has long been a favorite of IT departments everywhere and is the preferred notebook for legions of no-nonsense users. As times have progressed the ThinkPad has improved but the X300 marks the most significant change in its design since the butterfly keyboard. While we've already discussed a few leaked specs, official news of big changes like LED-backlighting (the first on a ThinkPad) and a widescreen display accompany a number of important but smaller design tweaks. Current thinking is that these changes indicate that the X300 is the first step in a series of larger changes to the ThinkPad. The notebook has already received a number of favorable reviews, but the other changes - the ones that will ultimately trickle down to the rest of the ThinkPad line - are perhaps more interesting than this specific $2500+ notebook."

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I will wait for the second generation. (3, Insightful)

cyfer2000 (548592) | more than 5 years ago | (#22617694)

I will wait.

Re:I will wait for the second generation. (1)

thre5her (223254) | more than 6 years ago | (#22620062)

Well, hurry up then.

Re:I will wait for the second generation. (1)

Alsee (515537) | more than 6 years ago | (#22620176)

I will pass completely.
I for one am not going to buy any computer infected with a bullshit Trusted Computing TPM.

Results 1 - 20 of about 22,600 for ThinkPad "Trusted Computing". [google.com]

The entire ThinkPad line is Trusted Computing Inside. Including the X300.

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Re:I will wait for the second generation. (1)

lloydchristmas759 (1105487) | more than 6 years ago | (#22621432)

I for one am not going to buy any computer infected with a bullshit Trusted Computing TPM.
I don't get it. Finally we have a computer we can Trust, and you are still whining!

Re:I will wait for the second generation. (2, Insightful)

andy_t_roo (912592) | more than 6 years ago | (#22621800)

don't you mean "I don't get it. Finally we have a computer Microsoft can Trust, and you are still whining!"

fp (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#22617726)

gnaa first post you fucking faggots. long live IBM and Lenovo, death to Apple, you typical macintosh users!

Re:fp (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#22618026)

GNAA fails once more. Why don't you just stop trying?

Re:fp (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22619300)

And even if that had been a first post it would still have been a massive failure. That was truly pathetic.

LED Backlight (0)

tecmec (870283) | more than 5 years ago | (#22617728)

Um, the x60s and x61s have had LED backlighting for at least a year.

Re:LED Backlight (5, Informative)

nanimo (688603) | more than 5 years ago | (#22617974)

I'm sorry, but you are wrong. X60s and X61s do not have LED backlight screens.

Re:LED Backlight (2, Informative)

tecmec (870283) | more than 5 years ago | (#22618048)

Wow, you appear to be correct. In my defense, it's a very common misconception. There goes my first +5 ...

Re:LED Backlight (2, Insightful)

cleatsupkeep (1132585) | more than 5 years ago | (#22618166)

Oh come on, on slashdot you don't have to be right to get a +5, you just have to SOUND informative. Which you did, hence you are at +5.

Re:LED Backlight (2, Informative)

pherthyl (445706) | more than 5 years ago | (#22618250)

Nah you still have it. The level of truth in a comment has no correlation with its rating... :)

Re:LED Backlight (1)

cptnapalm (120276) | more than 5 years ago | (#22618714)

Humorously, someone has rated you a troll for saying that.

Re:LED Backlight (1)

jgennick (59014) | more than 6 years ago | (#22619216)

The X61s (only the s model) has had the option of LED backlighting for quite some time.

Re:LED Backlight (1)

snarkh (118018) | more than 5 years ago | (#22617990)


Moreover, I get 5-6hours of battery life out of my x60s. 4 hours is not very impressive, especially considering that it has SSD, which supposedly improves battery life.

Re:LED Backlight (2, Insightful)

bhtooefr (649901) | more than 6 years ago | (#22618962)

I'm going to guess you have the 8-cell battery.

Just think - they're getting 4 hours out of (IIRC) a 4-cell. Half the size of your battery. Then it doesn't look so bad.

Re:LED Backlight (1)

snarkh (118018) | more than 6 years ago | (#22619468)


I think you are right, I ave an extended life battery. Well 8hours is very decent, although it will probably be 6-7 hours in practice. I would expect slightly more from the SSD, on the other hand the
monitor is 13 inches vs 12 on X60.

Re:LED Backlight (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#22618068)

I'll have to agree with the other poster. I have a less-than-year-old x61 and it neither had LED backlight advertised, nor does the screen look any better than a conventional backlight.

You're not thinking about the white LED keyboard light are you?

They need to have somthing better then integrated (2, Insightful)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 5 years ago | (#22617732)

They need to have something better then integrated video at $2500+ and even at the $1500+ price range.

Put in a ati hyper memory or nvidia Turbo Cache card in or use the 780G amd chip set Integrated graphics with Side-port memory as local frame buffer.

128mb - 256mb+ of system ram just for video in vista is a big hit and a joke at $1500+

Re:They need to have somthing better then integrat (5, Insightful)

jg1708 (1246046) | more than 5 years ago | (#22617792)

How do you propose they get the extra heat out? Also, from what I have read, the X300's battery time is not all that great. The extra hardware would be one more power drain.

Re:They need to have somthing better then integrat (4, Funny)

cheater512 (783349) | more than 5 years ago | (#22618352)

I rather enjoy my Pentium 3 laptop's heated keyboard.

I dont know why they dont advertise it as a feature. ;)

Re:They need to have somthing better then integrat (1)

jg1708 (1246046) | more than 5 years ago | (#22618396)

If forced to choose, I actually prefer the nut-warmer option.

Re:They need to have somthing better then integrat (1)

stuff and such (980278) | more than 5 years ago | (#22618542)

Personally, "chestnuts roasting on a open fire" always gave me chills.

Re:They need to have somthing better then integrat (1)

kylehase (982334) | more than 6 years ago | (#22620104)

It's only a "feature" in the Winter.

Re:They need to have somthing better then integrat (5, Insightful)

ynososiduts (1064782) | more than 5 years ago | (#22617816)

Why would you need that much dedicated VRAM in an office laptop? Set the Vram to 32MB and be done with it. I don't get why everyone is complaining about notebooks aimed at office work not having a dedicated video card, when modern integrated graphics are more than adequate. What is especially bothering is that this is slashdot, Intel has open source linux drivers, and everyone seems to be pushing the proprietary Nvidia and ATI graphics soultions.

Re:They need to have somthing better then integrat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#22617852)

LOL, Have you ever used Vista?

Why would I need to? (4, Insightful)

Rob Simpson (533360) | more than 5 years ago | (#22617916)

LOL, Have you ever used Vista?

The X300 [lenovo.com] comes with XP.

Re:Why would I need to? (1)

pebs (654334) | more than 6 years ago | (#22619918)

LOL, Have you ever used Vista?

The X300 comes with XP.


What do you need Vista for? Use Linux (hey, this is Slashdot) or use XP if you have to, but what mobile user needs Vista?

Re:They need to have somthing better then integrat (3, Insightful)

ynososiduts (1064782) | more than 6 years ago | (#22621316)

LOL, Have you ever used Vista?
Yes, I have. Disable Aero or upgrade RAM, and the problem is solved. Compiz Fusion works fine on my dell D420 with a GMA 950/Core Duo/2 GB RAM in it, so the intel chips aren't laking in the 3D model area. Oh, if you are going to do CAD work or other visualizations then the "geared toward being portable market" isn't for you. Get a T60.

Re:They need to have somthing better then integrat (3, Insightful)

blackirish (794322) | more than 5 years ago | (#22618596)

Not only is integrated graphics good enough now, it also saves a whole heck of a lot of power. My Thinkpad T60 with discrete graphics gets an hour less runtime on battery than an identical T60 with integrated graphics. In a portable design with a SSD drive, LED backlighting and a bunch of other power saving features, just why would you want a power hungry graphics chip?

Re:They need to have somthing better then integrat (1, Insightful)

exploder (196936) | more than 6 years ago | (#22618934)

The world isn't divided between corporate users and gamers. Scientists and academics value a capable, durable, no-nonsense machine like the Thinkpad series, and often need a fair bit of graphical horsepower for visualizations.

Re:They need to have somthing better then integrat (1)

zeenixus (571630) | more than 6 years ago | (#22619652)

on 13.3 inches diagonal?

puh-leez.

Re:They need to have somthing better then integrat (1)

FreonTrip (694097) | more than 6 years ago | (#22619728)

What if you connect an external monitor?

Re:They need to have somthing better then integrat (1)

owlman17 (871857) | more than 6 years ago | (#22620772)

Very true. And just because they're corporate users or scientists, doesn't mean they're not gamers in their spare time. A lot of corporate users are in fact gamers. Not necessarily hard-core gamers who play Crysis at insane resolutions with AA enabled, but gamers nonetheless.

Re:They need to have somthing better then integrat (1)

Corporate Troll (537873) | more than 6 years ago | (#22621770)

A lot of corporate users are in fact gamers.

And that gives them the right to use their company issued laptop to play games? I'm sorry, I don't get that. I have a company issued laptop, and I leave it at work. There are two reasons in giving you a company laptop: You're on the road often or they hope to lure you to work in your spare time. I'm not in the first category, yet I got a laptop. My laptop stays at work, on my desk at all times.

A company laptop is for work. If you want to game, buy a machine yourself. Even in the rare cases I got sent away for a few weeks, I took my company laptop and my personal laptop. Company laptop for work, personal laptop for play. It's not that I cannot install anything on my company laptop, I'm admin on it, works just fine.

Company machines are for work only. Final point.

Re:They need to have somthing better then integrat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22618994)

CAD.

Re:They need to have somthing better then integrat (2, Insightful)

tecmec (870283) | more than 5 years ago | (#22617926)

I think you'd be surprised. It really doesn't take much video horsepower to run Aero smoothly. I've not seen any modern integrated video not be able to handle it (and handle it well, at that). A notebook with a ULV CPU, does [b]not[/b] need anything more. There is no such thing as a sub-15" gaming laptop.

Re:They need to have somthing better then integrat (1)

sqrt(2) (786011) | more than 5 years ago | (#22618264)

That's been my experience with aero as well. Although the compositing works well in vista, the slowness of the rest of the system is a huge drain on laptops. But for things like dragging, minimizing windows, it's usually always smooth and without tearing on all the hardware I've tried it on including laptops with integrated video. I can't say the same for compiz, which still doesn't work on a large number of mobile graphics chipsets and works only poorly on even more. This is mostly an ATI problem though, it wouldn't even be an issue if they'd opensource the drivers.

it not just the power it's the ram hit. (1)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 6 years ago | (#22619592)

it not just the power it's the ram hit. Why can intel have on board video with 32mb-64mb-128mb of it's own ram?

Ati / amd is working on that.

They don't want you to use Vista, anyway (2, Informative)

Rob Simpson (533360) | more than 5 years ago | (#22617940)

Have you checked Lenovo's site? The X300 [lenovo.com] comes with XP by default.

Re:They need to have somthing better then integrat (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#22618038)

This is a business class ultra light laptop. light weight and small size being the primary objectives. a dedicated video takes up more space, creates more heat, and increases battery usage compared to Intels integrated video.A dedicated video in this laptop is a rather stupid idea. integrated video is not a universal solution, the fastest, biggest, most powerfulest isn't always the bestest. and as far as vista, who cares. xp wont be going anywhere any time soon especially with many bigger organizations still refusing to switch.

Re:They need to have somthing better then integrat (1)

DigitAl56K (805623) | more than 5 years ago | (#22618518)

They need to have something better then integrated video at $2500+ and even at the $1500+ price range
While that may be nice from a performance perspective, the current crop of nVidia cards at the very least will kill the battery life. I was recently looking around at all types of laptops and it's rather consistent, if you want good battery life you'll be using integrated video.

Re:They need to have somthing better then integrat (2, Insightful)

amirulbahr (1216502) | more than 6 years ago | (#22618986)

Why on earth would ThinkPad users want or need this? Integrated Intel Extreme graphics are more than sufficient for portable use. Heck, they can even run popular modest games reasonably well. For the savings in size, power use, money, going with Intel integrated graphics is the CORRECT design decision.

I'm starting to wonder if I really want to associate with a Slashdot crowd that would mod parent insightful.

Re:They need to have somthing better than VISTA! (1)

TheVelvetFlamebait (986083) | more than 6 years ago | (#22619238)

As you said, 128-256mb of system ram is a joke at $1500+.

Re:They need to have somthing better then integrat (1)

macshit (157376) | more than 6 years ago | (#22619424)

They need to have something better then integrated video at $2500+ and even at the $1500+ price range.

Designing a machine is all about picking the appropriate compromises. "Integrated graphics" has its issues, but is often pretty good these days, and certainly powerful enough for running compiz and other blingerific GUIs, opengl-based stuff (blender or whatever), etc. The memory hit can be annoying, but then you can just bump up your system RAM, which is generally more useful and cheaper than dedicated memory [I don't know how much the speed it is due to bus contention or whatever... anybody have a clue?]

Maybe not the first choice for the insane FPSes, but then very little that doesn't require liquid-nitrogen on tap for cooling is.

significant change; right..... (5, Informative)

ntw1103 (1208178) | more than 5 years ago | (#22617786)

"but the X300 marks the most significant change in its design" did you miss the x41? you know the tablet. yeah, I would think that the whole swivel-touchscreen would be the most significant change. look; after that they have released more tablets following the major change that occurred in the x41. it isn't all that strange for an ultralight either, there have been a lot of tiny thinkpads. yes this one does have a wide screen, but they have had other wide-screen thinkpads too. if you ask me, yes the some changes are there, but far from the most significant changes the thinkpad line has seen.

Re:significant change; right..... (1)

macshit (157376) | more than 6 years ago | (#22619340)

did you miss the x41? you know the tablet. yeah

Hmm, for how many decades has MS been saying the tablet pc is the next big thing...?

Never seems to happen though.

Ruining a legend? (0)

dotancohen (1015143) | more than 5 years ago | (#22617840)

It looks to me like they are ruining a durability icon. There are several points in case (ha! pun!), but I'll only mention the LED-backlit keyboard. Those things break. They use power. And real touch typists don't look at the keys. I personally have spraypainted the keyboard of my Inspiron black, so that there are no markings on the letter keys (the numbers and everything else was masked off).

Re:Ruining a legend? (3, Insightful)

tecmec (870283) | more than 5 years ago | (#22617950)

Nobody said anything about a backlight keyboard. There is no backlight keyboard. The [i]screen[/i] has an LED backlight, but that's hardly new, even for a Thinkpad (see x60s and x60s)

Re:Ruining a legend? (5, Funny)

node 3 (115640) | more than 5 years ago | (#22618056)

Cut the guy some slack. He spray painted his keys black to improve usability by not being able to look at his keys, and also spray painted his screen black to improve his usage of slashdot by not being able to RTFA.

Re:Ruining a legend? (1)

LynnwoodRooster (966895) | more than 6 years ago | (#22618942)

Not me... I used white-out on my screen to blank out TFA!

Re:Ruining a legend? (1)

dotancohen (1015143) | more than 6 years ago | (#22621618)

I swear I saw a backlit keyboard in there somewhere. I've gone mad.

Re:Ruining a legend? (1)

exploder (196936) | more than 6 years ago | (#22618964)

And real touch typists don't look at the keys.
The letter keys, no. But it takes a good while with a new laptop to learn where things like PgUp/Dn, delete, insert, home, end, the F-keys, and the Fn key live. Keyboard lights or backlit keyboards are nice. Of course, the ability to turn them off is important, too.

Re:Ruining a legend? (1)

dotancohen (1015143) | more than 6 years ago | (#22621630)

That's why I only painted the letters. Even the numbers I kept.

Advert? (4, Insightful)

NotZed (19455) | more than 5 years ago | (#22617842)

Mate, it's just another laptop. What's so revolutionary about that?

Sounds like advertising to me.

I do like thinkpads myself, but the only thing revolutionary about the X300 to me is it's exorbitant price.

Re:Advert? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#22618418)

Word on the street is that this one will be available in something other than black. That's revolutionary!

Re:Advert? (1)

donatzsky (91033) | more than 6 years ago | (#22619084)

Sorry to spoil your fun, but not really. The, now defunct, Z series came with a choice of titanium (or was it magnesium) lids for a while.

Re:Advert? (1)

PrescriptionWarning (932687) | more than 5 years ago | (#22618498)

I couldn't help but be reminded about the article from Sony about the "race to the bottom" (yes i'm too lazy to post slashdot link).

With the exception of graphics artists and programmers, most people simply do not need a laptop worth over 500 dollars or so. I'm not just talking about the eeePC, which is great in its own way due to its size, but any laptop which can reach that price point and still be a regular size laptop for ease of typing up a document, or any other purpose. As I type this from my eee the only thing I know is that i'll never pay 1000 bucks plus for another laptop ever again. I have a desktop for all the heavy lifting/gaming/programming/media, this I have for the web.

Re:Advert? (1)

sqrt(2) (786011) | more than 6 years ago | (#22618848)

I would be willing to pay an extra 100 or 200 dollars for, say, double the battery life, or a pound of weight reduction, or assurance of reliability. I agree however that performance wise the ability of the current technology has surpassed the level required for most tasks. That doesn't mean you there are not other areas that need work though, and hardware innovations are usually always initially price prohibitive for most people.

Re:Advert? (1)

RiotingPacifist (1228016) | more than 6 years ago | (#22619810)

we've finally hit the 640k limit!

p.s your sig only applies to "american" libertarianism, in the rest of the world it means "a social system based on naivety and hoping for the innate goodness of man" (pretty much anarco-comunism, as compared to the american usage anarco-capitalism )

Re:Advert? (2, Insightful)

GarfBond (565331) | more than 6 years ago | (#22618902)

Seriously. LED backlighting? Wiki tells me it's been on some VAIOs since 2006 and on MacBook Pros since 2007. Widescreen displays? Pretty much every manufacturer in 2007 (including Lenovo, for that matter), and a large few in 2003-2006, and as far back as 2001 for Apple. Revolutionary time for Lenovo? More like playing catchup and/or letting high-end features stay in their high-end (the X300 is a $2500 machine after all).

Smells like astroturfing, or the dumbest kind of fanboyism, to me.

Re:Advert? (4, Interesting)

timeOday (582209) | more than 6 years ago | (#22619730)

Widescreen displays? Pretty much every manufacturer in 2007 (including Lenovo, for that matter), and a large few in 2003-2006, and as far back as 2001 for Apple
Plus, widescreens are inferior (unless your main task is watching DVDs). They should instead be called "shortscreens." They have less surface area than a normal aspect screen with the same diagonal measurement. Ask yourself this question, do you do more vertical scrolling or horizontal scrolling?

Re:Advert? (1)

Corporate Troll (537873) | more than 6 years ago | (#22621820)

AMEN!

Personally, I now have moved my start bar to the left-hand side of my screen. That way I gain a bit height... But from a 1280x800 screen, that makes a 1000x800 screen or so... Not much difference with my old laptops 4:3 screen that was 1024x786 and a far cry from my dads 4:3 screen at 1600x1200.

On Linux I can't seem to be able to put the menubar to the left because it also rotates the text which makes it unusable. (In Gnome, haven't tried KDE and I might just revert to WindowMaker like in the good olden days)

Re:Advert? (1)

Archimonde (668883) | more than 6 years ago | (#22621842)

I had many "normal" screens in last 20 years and I never liked wide screens until I actually used one. You must consider that many if not most applications have somewhat 'more horizontal' layout than vertical. Example: Photoshop. How Photoshop looks like on a normal ascpect screen? You put all the tools and mini windows on the side of the screen and suddenly you have very little space for your landscape photo which now actually would be better to be vertical. With wide aspect screen all the tools are in the 'wide part' of the screen and the photo still has enough space to be comfortably displayed in landscape.

As for your last question, I think it is just the opposite. It is much easier to do a vertical scroll than a horizontal scroll. When you are reading this wonderful site you just move a mouse wheel and you are reading it comfortably whatever vertical resolution you have. If you really are pressed to do a horizontal scroll wouldn't be better to have a wide screen? Ask yourself this: how many people do you see with 90deg pivoted lcds for surfing/whatever?

Maybe this discussion will be funny in 20 years time because we'll have projected or giant screens and wide/non-wide would be just a funny bit of computer history. Unless we would have more pressing matters in 20 years than computers.
 

Re:Advert? (1)

cgenman (325138) | more than 6 years ago | (#22619742)

I think the change is that the Lenovo have been a no-nonsense business machine for a long time now. Switching to widescreen display with rubberized grips and various other touches implies that IBM's primary ultralite is aimed at more of a consumer-level target.

The solid-state drive standard is pretty revolutionary, though that revolution has started sweeping over notebook lines as we speak.

Nothing to see here... move along (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#22617906)

X60's have had LED backlights for two years and almost all ThinkPads have had widescreens for a year as well. The rest of your post is merely excited hand-waving. Even the new surface material, which you didn't mention, is not new but rather old. It appeared on ThinkPads from 1998 to 2002 or so if I remember correctly. So I think I speak for all ThinkPad aficionados when I say "what the hell are you talking about?"

Re:Nothing to see here... move along (1)

donatzsky (91033) | more than 6 years ago | (#22619048)

Who modded you down?
The author of the article is indeed quite ill-informed. I got my first ThinkPad in 1999 (600E I seem to remember) and it had the rubbery surface - which I never understood why IBM ditched; it's far superior to the hard plastic they use now. Let's hope that it gets reintroduced in all the models.
I'm also fairly sure that my T60 (2007-FVG - the one with FlexView/IPS panel) has LED-backlight.

IBM logo is not there. (1)

byteframe (924916) | more than 5 years ago | (#22617944)

Booo. My thinkpad x40 is boss, and I should get an ibm keyboard for my desktop soon.

My GOD what a terrible video review! (3, Insightful)

spoco2 (322835) | more than 5 years ago | (#22617970)

The Cnet one linked to above [cnet.com] has a guy trying SO HARD to do a 'TV presenter's voice'... And noooow, liiiive from Hollywood coooomes some dick doing a TERRIBLE video review.

Urgh, stick to text.

Why is this here? (3, Insightful)

TiberSeptm (889423) | more than 5 years ago | (#22617982)

I'm trying to figure out why this is news. It sounds like some minor tweaks to the x300, plus the OP seems ill-informed on what technologies have been used in thinkpads before.

Re:Why is this here? (1)

Symphonix (901135) | more than 5 years ago | (#22618466)

I'd have to agree, this isn't news, its an infomercial. Sure, the X300 may be a signal of where IBM/Lenovo want to take their laptop line, but then you could say that about *any* new product.

T60 (2, Interesting)

fat_mike (71855) | more than 5 years ago | (#22618132)

In my opinion this was the pinnacle of IBM (Yes, mine says IBM Thinkpad on it) and their laptops. We've bought T61's since I got my T60 two years ago and I hate supporting them. My T60 just works. It plays Oblivion, my movies and music and I've seen it sit for two weeks in standby mode with the lid closed.
It is also the most durable laptop I've ever had and I beat the hell out of my laptops. Traveling, punching it (see Oblivion above), dropping it, knocking it around during my job.
And yes, I'm old. My first "portable" was this:
http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ibmportfy0.jpg [imageshack.us]

Re:T60 (1)

WMD_88 (843388) | more than 5 years ago | (#22618412)

The T60 was made under Lenovo. Yes, it says "IBM Thinkpad," but they all say that, including my dad's Z61m. Lenovo has the rights to the logo for a few more years. The Lenovo logo wasn't added until the 61's. The T60 has a Windows key, which IBM wouldn't put on themselves.

Re:T60 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#22618476)

T60p here, says Lenovo

Re:T60 (1)

Mad Merlin (837387) | more than 6 years ago | (#22619410)

My T60 has a Lenovo logo on it, right beside the T60 writing on the inside. The lower right corner of the inside and lid still says "IBM ThinkPad" though. As of the T61, "IBM ThinkPad" has been replaced with just "ThinkPad".

Re:T60 (1)

RzUpAnmsCwrds (262647) | more than 5 years ago | (#22618598)

No modern notebook sits for "two weeks in standby mode". There's not enough juice in the battery to keep the DRAM refreshed. I have a friend with a T61 and the 9-cell battery, and it's dead (from full) in around 5-6 days of suspend, which is actually quite long for a notebook. His notebook has 1 1GB DIMM; with 2 DIMMs expect about half that life.

Some notebooks have "hybrid suspend"; this saves the memory to the disk and shuts down. That's probably what you're seeing.

Re:T60 (1)

exploder (196936) | more than 6 years ago | (#22619008)

If I charge mine and leave it in suspend (to RAM--not hibernate) overnight, it comes back with 99% juice. Sounds like two weeks isn't out of line, although I'd hate to be without my lappy that long.

I hope Lenovo gave you a big check for that... (1)

smitth1276 (832902) | more than 5 years ago | (#22618188)

...because it reads like an advertisement.

Anonymous Coward (3, Insightful)

Lunatrik (1136121) | more than 5 years ago | (#22618228)

I can only begin to guess who the "Anonymous Coward" that posted this story might work for....
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Re:Anonymous Coward (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22619350)

Yeah, but have you seen the newest MacBook specs?!?!?

Business positioning=lottery ticket (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#22618230)

Does positioning something for the business market mean you can price it off the charts? Surely even IT departments long jaded by SAP and Oracle extortion can see that at $2500 they are far far away from getting bang for buck.

The interesting thing in the laptop market is the eee pc, only recently Sony was whining about its fallout on their profiteering. We need more eee pc's in the laptop market.

UltraBay (1)

Hannes2000 (1113397) | more than 5 years ago | (#22618426)

I just hope the optical drive can be replaced with another harddrive in the good ol' ultrabay-fashion. 64gig just isn't enough.

It's for executives (1)

gelfling (6534) | more than 5 years ago | (#22618700)

It's too expensive for a general rollout. It will be the executive only Thinkpad model.

hm (1)

anoneironaut (845982) | more than 6 years ago | (#22619080)

so will this new version of the think pads get rid of the random freeze ups and hibernation bugs =D? Because as far as I can tell the last 4 versions have only made it worse..

Focus on business faltering (4, Interesting)

ArhcAngel (247594) | more than 6 years ago | (#22619156)

The thing about the Thinkpad that makes them so appealing to corporate customers is there support life cycle. You knew that if you invested in accessories for a T40 those accessories would work with the T41, T42, T43, etc. until the number increments to T50 you were guaranteed your accessories would be forward compatible making the investment worthwhile for the 3/4 year life cycle your organization has planned for those devices. With the 60 series Lenovo has started to abandon this. Last year our company began implementing 60 series laptops. In less than a year the R60 was superseded by the R61. The R61 uses a new chipset and while pin compatible with their Advanced Dock I've yet to find a PCIe peripheral that will work with the R61. The R61 will not even boot with the Quad monitor video card we are using with the R60. Working with the Lenovo engineering group proved fruitless as ultimately they simply told me there was no way it would work and they had no plans on fixing it. The build materials aren't as hearty as they used to be either. I hope the x300 isn't just the next in a long line of abandoning the corporate customer that made the Thinkpad a household name.

Re:Focus on business faltering (1, Informative)

hacker (14635) | more than 6 years ago | (#22619390)

You knew that if you invested in accessories for a T40 those accessories would work with the T41, T42, T43, etc. until the number increments to T50 you were guaranteed your accessories would be forward compatible making the investment worthwhile for the 3/4 year life cycle your organization has planned for those devices.

...except batteries, docking stations, RAM and keyboards, of course.

The T40 is not compatible with the T41, nor the T42 and so on with any of those components. In fact, the T42 and the T42p for example, don't even share compatible components.

Crappy quality (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22619196)

According to a good friend of mine, Lenovo laptops are the worst he has ever seen. His is literally falling apart.

Yawn (1)

ghjm (8918) | more than 6 years ago | (#22619302)

I'm typing this on a Dell XPS M1330. LED backlight? Check. Widescreen display? Got it. Lightweight form factor? Yep. 64Gb SSD available? Since December, although I took the 200Gb SATA. Core 2 Duo 2.2Ghz and 4Gb of DDR2-5300? Yep, although I only chose to pay for 2.0Ghz and 3Gb. And I got the Geforce Go 8400M video card with 128Mb dedicated graphics memory - not stellar by hard-core gamer standards, but worlds beyond the integrated graphics on the X300. Plus, my M1330 was at least $500 cheaper than the X300 will be.

Can someone please explain to me what the big deal is?

-Graham

All corners cut in quality/design... check. (Dell) (1)

sethstorm (512897) | more than 6 years ago | (#22621840)

...and unlike the Dell laptops, Thinkpads will still be rolling along long after the Dells break down. To go for a post-offshore Dell is much like gambling on support - you're hoping they'll understand you and 2) have enough intelligence to know what the problem is. With a Thinkpad, you're more likely to get a Denver/Atlanta call center on the line without having a business account. To have to go directly to the top on Dell is a mistake by doing so, for IBM/Lenovo it is a line of last resort that solves the problem.

Thinkpads are there for people who want quality, not price. Even after the takeover, people still get quality.

Shopping for a new notebook (ThinkPad or MacBook) (3, Insightful)

ahaning (108463) | more than 6 years ago | (#22619456)

I've been looking around for a new notebook recently after my 3 year and 3 month old T42 with a 3-year warranty started to have problems due to the BGA [wikipedia.org] method of attaching the mobile Radeon 9600. See this thread at thinkpads.com [thinkpads.com] for more info.

I really like the durability of my ThinkPad but this experience has left a pretty bad taste in my mouth. My 9 year old Gateway Solo 2500 still runs fine except that I've had to replace the hard drive a couple times.

As a student and employee at a higher-education institution, however, the 34% discounts available to me on ThinkPads still makes them pretty attractive. Couple that with opting for SuSE Linux and I've got a pretty well-priced notebook.

I am not ruling out a MacBook, however. Now that they come with Intel processors, I can pretty much have my pick of OSes other than OS X installed.

Re:Shopping for a new notebook (ThinkPad or MacBoo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22621526)

The Radeon problem is pretty serious, and has me pretty much not wanting to ever get a Thinkpad again. I've hit it twice.

Re:Shopping for a new notebook (ThinkPad or MacBoo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22621576)

Why the hell is this at -1? I own a Thinkpad R40 and have had to replace the motherboard twice. It's a known issue with these Radeon-based thinkpads in the last 4 or 5 years, and I was simply voicing my frustration. So I get -1. Goddamn, Slashdot really has hit a new low...

A Stinkpad is still a Stinkpad (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22619474)

I'm sorry, but as a user of both Dell and IBM laptops, I have to say that the IBM/Lenovo stinkpads are some of the worst laptops in existance... sure there are worse laptops out there, but not in the same price range.

Part of the problem has been the way IBM forces users to use their version of software for things that the OS already takes care of and people are familiar with. The biggest problem I have with the stinkpad is that they tend to be slow and hard to work with after about 6 months of service.

Could be better (2, Insightful)

Richard_J_N (631241) | more than 6 years ago | (#22620072)

As a longtime thinkpad user (since the 770, now with a T60), there are several things Lenovo have got wrong:

- No line-in for audio. This is a big problem for doing audio recordings
- No enough ports (only 3 USB, no firewire)
- Widescreen. Ugh. Repeat after me, laptops are for documents, not for movies. "Widescreen" just means "missing the top and bottom of the display" - it should be renamed "shortscreen".
- Lid catches: IBM used to have two, carefully balanced; Lenovo reduced this to one as a deliberate measure, but it is now harder to open with a single hand.
- side-mounted ports for ethernet - so the cable gets in the way on the desk.
- Windows keys (used to be absent) - making the Ctrl and Alt keys too small.

Thinkpads are generally quite Linux friendly (see thinkwiki.org), but still, can't we have the nice Intel i810 cards on the high-end models, instead of crippling them with useless ATI cards?

The older models (eg 560, 770) were very well engineered, and seemed to have been designed with a little more "love". The T60 is not a bad machine, but it doesn't inspire affection and delight in the same way.

Re:Could be better (1)

AsnFkr (545033) | more than 6 years ago | (#22620740)

- Widescreen. Ugh. Repeat after me, laptops are for documents, not for movies. "Widescreen" just means "missing the top and bottom of the display" - it should be renamed "shortscreen".

Wait, what? Laptops aren't for movies? Tell that to all the people that travel with them. And besides, I like widescreen laptops. I can throw my buddy list over to the right and have a nice sized firefox window open with the rest of the screen and see both at the same time. I see what you mean about documents getting cut off, but I'd rather not lug around a giant laptop all the time for that luxury. If you want a good laptop for documents, get a 17inch screen with a nice resolution and you should be good to go.

Re:Could be better (1)

seebs (15766) | more than 6 years ago | (#22621128)

While I was not happy about the change in resolutions, going from a 1600x1200 display to a 1920x1200 display has been a big win.

News flash: My field of vision is wider than it is tall.

my thinkpad (3, Insightful)

sentientbrendan (316150) | more than 6 years ago | (#22621466)

the X61s by far the best designed laptop I've seen. It isn't pretty, but it is high powered processor wise and light. I think it is a shame that more companies don't look after the practical usability of laptops, but instead tend to focus on making 6+ pound behemoths with huge screens that you will never be able to move off your desk.

Really, if you want that kind of hardware, get a desktop. As far as real laptops for mobile users go, thinkpad is the reigning king.

Re:my thinkpad (1)

Maavin (598439) | more than 6 years ago | (#22621900)

I couldn't have said it better. I love my X61s, too. And my X31.

And I REALLY want to find me a S30 or S31 as they are sooo pretty :)
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