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Pirates Find Proper Way to Crack Vista's Activation Schema

Zonk posted more than 6 years ago | from the little-ants-can-fell-big-trees dept.

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El_Oscuro writes "A genuine crack for Windows Vista has been released by pirate group Pantheon. The exploit allows a pirated, non-activated installation of Vista (Home Basic/Premium and Ultimate) to be properly activated and made fully-operational. 'It seems that Microsoft has allowed large OEMs like ASUS to ship their products with a pre-installed version of Vista that doesn't require product activation — apparently because end users would find it too inconvenient.'"

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Good work MS (1)

tensop (1232374) | more than 6 years ago | (#22622490)

ahhh... owned? :)

Re:Good work MS (4, Informative)

Brian Gordon (987471) | more than 6 years ago | (#22622628)

Owned ages ago. This is PARADOX's crack and it's old.

Re:Good work MS (2, Funny)

bendodge (998616) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623626)

So old I've had it on my flashdrive for over a year!

timewarp | flame (1)

deviceb (958415) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623638)

I must be in a timewarp here... 2 stories from the past on the front page..

PARADOX as stated above did this right after Vista came out..

Improper way? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22622492)

Is there an improper way?

Old News Crack (4, Informative)

Tx (96709) | more than 6 years ago | (#22622494)

In other news, pirates have created a crack to prevent news from 4th March 2007 appearing a year later on /.

Well we live in hope.

Re:Old News Crack (4, Funny)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 6 years ago | (#22622522)

In other news, pirates have created a crack to prevent news from 4th March 2007 appearing a year later on /.
So the $64K question is -- why in the bloody hell haven't that implemented it then?

Re:Old News Crack (4, Funny)

piemcfly (1232770) | more than 6 years ago | (#22622656)

the drivers weren't up to date?

Re:Old News Crack (4, Funny)

cp.tar (871488) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623182)

So the $64K question is -- why in the bloody hell haven't that implemented it then?

Wasn't it 640K?
Oh, wait...

Re:Old News Crack (0, Redundant)

Machtyn (759119) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623242)

Hmm, somebody here is too young to remember the $64,000 Pyramid game show.

Now get off my lawn... and all that.

Re:Old News Crack (4, Informative)

S.O.B. (136083) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623402)

I guess someone is too young to know that the OP was referring to "The $64,000 Question" (1955-58).

The GP was alluding to the oft quoted Bill Gates line "640K ought to be enough for anybody" although Gates denies ever saying it. A very clever reference that whooshed over your head.

Re:Old News Crack (1)

bluefoxlucid (723572) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623372)

Commodore 64 used a 6502 capable of addressing 65536 bytes (64 * 1k) of memory. If I had a dollar for every octet...

Re:Old News Crack (2, Funny)

Constantine XVI (880691) | more than 6 years ago | (#22622530)

Well, one of the side-effects of this crack is hallucinations. You've really been in a crack-induced haze for the apparent past year.

Re:Old News Crack (3, Funny)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 6 years ago | (#22622558)

Eh, it's an easy mistake to make. Whoever wrote the "Zonk" shell script just introduced an off-by-one error.

Re:Old News Crack (1)

imadoofus (233751) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623308)

I guess he always messes up some mundane detail.

Re:Old News Crack (1)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623328)

The Zonk scripter got cocky and decided to do his own date handling and forgot to account for leap year.

Re:Old News Crack (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22622596)

What? You went and carefully read the complete article before posting?? Hand your badge on the way out, mate:-)

nice but i still wont install it, vista (2)

A little Frenchie (715758) | more than 6 years ago | (#22622502)

even if i have access to a valid key

late breaking! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22622520)

in other news, President Lincoln was shot and killed some 143 years ago

Mod article down. (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22622534)

That's what I say: Mod article down.

Is it worth cracking Vista? (5, Funny)

jkrise (535370) | more than 6 years ago | (#22622540)

I remember a CNN news snippet on YouTube... it's just not worth pirating Vista, unless one is a hardcore masochist, of course.

Re:Is it worth cracking Vista? (4, Insightful)

rucs_hack (784150) | more than 6 years ago | (#22622594)

You have to admit it's a novel approach, making a product so bad that hardly anyone is interested in cracking it.

Who cares about a crack, I wouldn't run Vista if microsoft gave it away free, and I *like* windows...

Re:Is it worth cracking Vista? (5, Funny)

pallmall1 (882819) | more than 6 years ago | (#22622702)

Who cares about a crack, I wouldn't run Vista if microsoft gave it away free...
Yeah, it's the old joke about game show prizes. Grand prize, one free copy of Vista. Second place prize, two free copies of Vista.

Re:Is it worth cracking Vista? (1)

the brown guy (1235418) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623424)

Who cares about a crack, I wouldn't run Vista if microsoft gave it away free, and I *like* windows...

Neither would I, but the uninformed consumers out there who just want to check email, look at porn, and download music (legally of course) are being sold on vista because it looks pretty to them. As long as they are willing to pay for pirated copies, then cracks will appear indefinitely.

... But Windows STILL not dying... (4, Insightful)

PC and Sony Fanboy (1248258) | more than 6 years ago | (#22622548)

Although this particular "activation" method has been around for awhile, it is interesting to see that microsoft never bothered to fix it.

I can't believe that microsoft is still a lumbering software giant; notwithstanding their disdain for consumers (Turning off vista if it wasn't genuine ... even when it was!), they continue to make boatloads of money. This 'workaround' for activation is another example of their disdain for the end user; they're willing to accomodate the manufacturers in order to push an inferior software package onto the masses.

It makes me feel like Henry Ford is running MS - 'you can have any OS you want, so long as it is VISTA'.

I've personally decided to put the effort into getting my home computers running OSX (a very FUN project) so that my family can have the eye candy that is associated with MS without ... MS.
(and yes, linux can be pretty... but I'm the only one that uses it!)

Re:... But Windows STILL not dying... (-1, Flamebait)

macs4all (973270) | more than 6 years ago | (#22622664)

Hey fucktard!

Get your crowbar out, put it in your wallet, and GET A MAC!

If you recognize that OS X is what your family should be running, then don'tcha think you should support continued development of the project in the only way you can; by purchasing a Mac?

Or do you really believe that OSes come from the OS-Fairy?

I'll bet you didn't even purchase one single copy of OS X, let alone a "Family Pack". Since you said "family", I assume you meant to illegally install OS X on not one, but multiples of your generic white-box shitboxen.

... And? (5, Funny)

PC and Sony Fanboy (1248258) | more than 6 years ago | (#22622704)

Hey, calm down!
I'm an equal opportunity f*tard ... I didn't pay for my copy of windows either ;)

Re:... But Windows STILL not dying... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22623646)

Steve! Steve Jobs, is that you?

Re:... But Windows STILL not dying... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22622908)

Re:... But Windows STILL not dying... (3, Informative)

JasterBobaMereel (1102861) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623562)

Two corrections :

  You are not the only person who uses Linux - Half the internet servers do so and so do a lot of users (just not a large percentage)

  The Model T ford was sold in many colours, black was not even an option on the early models, and the later ones were always offered in multiple colours in all countries ...?

  The problem is that the alternative to XP was Mac (not then considered a viable alternative) Linux (not then considered a viable alternative) or Windows 2000 (XP Improved on it without adding too many annoyances)

The alternative to Vista is OSX (a viable alternative for most users) Linux (An viable alternative in for some users) or XP (it's not worse in most things people care about, and is less annoying)

Fixed summary (4, Funny)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 6 years ago | (#22622556)

It seems that Microsoft has allowed large OEMs like ASUS to ship their products with a pre-installed version of XP that doesn't require product activation -- apparently because end users would find using Vista too inconvenient.

the opposite of Acer (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22622720)

Acer machines, properly authorized and licensed, MUST be able to contact the mothership during a user log on to activate the networking features.

If your DSL connection is down, the screen will just sit at the background with no icons or start menu until it times out in 3 minutes or you disconnect the RJ45, then your screen will appear but your network drivers and printers will be unreachable. It's become an issue because our mom-and-pop ISP is having reliability issues (the alternative is the expensive AT&T business class).

You cannot imagine how annoying this is. I told them to buy Macs.

SP1 (5, Interesting)

Xenolith (538304) | more than 6 years ago | (#22622566)

Since this article is a year old, no testing on SP1, I assume.

What SP1? (2, Informative)

Gr8Apes (679165) | more than 6 years ago | (#22622670)

What SP1? Wasn't it yanked due to incompatibilities?

Re:What SP1? (3, Informative)

Xenolith (538304) | more than 6 years ago | (#22622748)

Yup. But the version MS was about to release contained updates to stop the more common hacks. This hack may have been one of them. There are other activation hacks out there that have been tested to work with SP1 RC.

Re:What SP1? (2, Interesting)

Gr8Apes (679165) | more than 6 years ago | (#22622810)

Obviously I'm a little in the dark :) I've no interest in Vista other than to see it fail to become the next standard. I do not wish that for silly reasons like "MS is da evil" or anything like that, but rather because with Vista they've created essentially less of an OS, and more of a proprietary content delivery appliance disguised as a general purpose OS.

Re:What SP1? (1)

bluefoxlucid (723572) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623460)

Yes, but open source hackers will release all kinds of interesting hacks that let you do things like listen to FLACs or edit ODFs and PDFs. Of course, that picture of GNOME on Vista has been gimped.

Re:What SP1? (3, Informative)

Puppeteer_23 (1249966) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623108)

No. SP1 is RTM, but a pre-requisite update went a bit awry and THAT's what they pulled back.

Re:SP1 (1)

Klaus_1250 (987230) | more than 6 years ago | (#22622718)

If I remember correctly, SP1 will prevent this crack from working, as well as the time-limit crack.

Re:SP1 (1)

slaker (53818) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623362)

It does not work with SP1. Also there are some system boards that it does not work with, notably some new Intel-made budget boards. Other than that the Paradox crack is very useful. It beats the shit out of installing a legit copy (potentially wasting an activation) of Vista just to test something in a virtual machine (yes, I know I can install the activationless trial install, but I like having the same VM for longer than two months).

One of my customers had a whole office full of legit Vista installs magically lose their activation, probably because of Microsoft provided driver updates overwriting those from 3rd party vendors.

I can't believe that anyone puts up with that crap.

Re:SP1 (2, Interesting)

Tony Hoyle (11698) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623666)

I had that - MS have started limiting MSDN activations in Vista, whereas they never bothered in XP, so you can only have a certain number of VMs installed. Like you I keep VMs around for more than a month so need to activate - we had a whole pile of VMs go fubar on us because our MSDN sub rolled into the next year and they changed all our activaton codes overnight.

Took the best part of a day to sort that mess out.

Most of the office is Linux servers running VMWare and Macbooks running VMWare Fusion, to limit the amount of damage MS can do to us with this stupidity.. unfortunately for product testing you need to have some of their crap around.

Re:SP1 (1)

Ngwenya (147097) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623392)

Given what I've seen in the dark places of the net, SP1 doesn't prevent the crack working. A recent MS update was also supposed to attack the OEM crack, but it also seems to have had no effect.

--Ng

Re:SP1 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22623118)

AFAIK this crack fails the latest pre-SP1 hotfix pushed by Windows Update (which is only a one-time nag screen).

The Dell OEM slipstreamed installs pass though.

Inconvenience (3, Interesting)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | more than 6 years ago | (#22622574)

I don't know how Vista's activation works, but I imagine that you only have to type it in once. Surely they could have just asked the user to type in the key on the back of the DVD / CD case, and if they don't have a DVD / CD then to contact their OEM. Works for me.

Unless of course Microsoft have done this on purpose to get more copies on Vista on the desktop...

Re:Inconvenience (1)

Gr8Apes (679165) | more than 6 years ago | (#22622690)

You've just shown that
a) you don't run MS OSes with product activation (You PIRATE!!!!)
b) If a) is false, you don't tinker with your system. (/. posting violation!!)

Re:Inconvenience (4, Interesting)

IBBoard (1128019) | more than 6 years ago | (#22622884)

You probably would - you only typed it once for XP (unless you upgraded your machine, at which point XP thought it was a new machine and wanted re-activating). The problem with CD keys (from Microsoft's point of view) is that you can copy a key and hand it around, but you can't copy an activation code that needs to be confirmed by a remote machine.

I'd rather have a single CD key than 35(?) characters I need to type in to the phone followed by 35(?) characters you have to type back in to your computer. I had to activate three XP laptops at work that were purchased specially for a project and that was a pain. Actually, no, I'd rather not have a CD key at all, but that's why I run Linux at home.

One of the linked articles does cover an implicit acceptance of piracy in countries like Romania, mainly as a way to get people hooked on Windows before making them buy it (or just to keep OSS in check).

Re:Inconvenience (3, Insightful)

transporter_ii (986545) | more than 6 years ago | (#22622926)

Yeah, Microsoft keeps locking it down, and then backing off on the lock-down right at the last moment. What we need is a crack to turn the lock down back on in full force, not to totally bypass WPA.

Back in the day when there wasn't anything else, pirating copies of Windows was OK. Now that there are good choices, lock that bitch down hard and when you hear people PMS, tell them there is no WPA in Linux.

Transporter_ii

Look at the year of the article... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22622592)

...2007!

Now, if someone can make it faster (1)

denisbergeron (197036) | more than 6 years ago | (#22622602)

news.

old news. 365 days old. (4, Informative)

leuk_he (194174) | more than 6 years ago | (#22622632)

Note that the article is dated 4 March, exactly 365 days ago. SOmehow the editor does not have 29 feb and though he was living at tomorrow.

THis particular crack has/will be defeated by sp1.

way to get my hopes up! (1)

ionix5891 (1228718) | more than 6 years ago | (#22622642)

i was about to type in http://thepira.../ [thepira...] into the browser but then i seen the comments :(

"Dear pirates" (5, Funny)

joaommp (685612) | more than 6 years ago | (#22622648)

"Please do not crack software and publish the crack on the net. It hurts my employer's feelings.

Thank you."

Re:"Dear pirates" (1)

Technician (215283) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623448)

"Please do not crack software and publish the crack on the net. It hurts my employer's feelings.

It hurts his feelings much less than recommending Ubuntu. It's free, works, and is faster. It's also legal unlike a crack.

Tell your employer that force feeding WGA on my old Windows 98 system wasn't appreciated. I had to go elsewhere to find Direct X 8.1 the capture device requires. I kept Win 98 because it doesn't require WGA, and yes, it's legal, an OEM install that came with the new machine.

A direct X update is nice. An unwanted hitchiker pest isn't.

Re:"Dear pirates" (1)

joaommp (685612) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623488)

don't tell me that... I only work there... :P (and not even in Redmond)

Re:"Dear pirates" (1)

bluefoxlucid (723572) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623494)

I agree with your views on software piracy; but I have to challenge you on your sig. Skirts and button up blouses can leave you many interesting options besides "stripped," unless you're into the "roll over and play dead" type of girls.

Re:"Dear pirates" (1)

joaommp (685612) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623526)

A programmer does his own stripping of his binaries. I like to do my own stripping of my girls.

Fixed :) (3, Informative)

cigawoot (1242378) | more than 6 years ago | (#22622654)

This was fixed in SP1! I was thinking they found way around the SP1 fix (not like I condone piracy, but seeing MS get owned every once in a while is fun).

Re:Fixed :) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22622904)

Nope. BIOS loaders *STILL* work!

But there are no cracks for windows server 2008 yet. Tons of different final ISOs out there, not one working crack :(

And no, replacing tokens.dat from vista doesn't work unlike some say (server features are all disabled then)

Re:Fixed :) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22623564)

SP1 did not patch or fix this work around. It does still work updating to SP1 and beyond. The OEM marked installs have NO activation...

Microsoft enjoys it too! (2, Insightful)

aloktherocker (1233588) | more than 6 years ago | (#22622688)

If more and more copies of vista are pirated,its microsoft who wins,in its quest of making its bloatware vista more popular than xp. But soon those people would realise what crap they have cracked! :)

Re:Microsoft enjoys it too! (1)

neumayr (819083) | more than 6 years ago | (#22622840)

Would you like it better when people actually bought a copy before realizing it sucks?
I don't see how Vista piracy does MS much good at this point. People computer savy enough to crack it won't stick with it, and the rest won't buy it unless forced to (by its market domination, >2GB RAM, new hardware, etc.).
Seems to me, for the time being at least, we're pretty much safe from Vista.

Product activation a nightmare for corp. users (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22622692)

Any kind of mass deployment becomes a fiasco if each computer has to go through some kind of activation. MS has been under pressure from hardware vendors and large corporate customers for YEARS on this topic. Whatever they do to alleviate the well-documented headaches of these people will inevitably become the basis for short-circuiting the process for everyone else.

At times like this, Vista is being ignored at a time when MS needs it adopted. "Features" like product activation have no place in a product that is already a driver-deficient, DRM-infested headache. MS has obviously overestimated the amount of grief that the customer base would tolerate to get a new version of Windows.

Speaking of Vista, gotta love those MS memos about Intel 915 graphics. They claim the Intel 945 "barely works". My MacBook runs Intel 965 graphics; nothing "barely" about it. No Vista, no problem.

Before MS worries too much about piracy of Vista, they need to make the product worth stealing.

In other related news... (4, Funny)

xtracto (837672) | more than 6 years ago | (#22622712)

Another group has published an undocumented way to bypass the adult verification in the new Leisure Suit Larry game by pressing ALT+X.

How do these guys learn this stuff??

There was a cheat code for LSL? OMG!!! (0, Troll)

140Mandak262Jamuna (970587) | more than 6 years ago | (#22622902)

OMG! There was a way to work around the adult verification scheme? How many frustrating hours we spent trying to learn American pop culture based adult verification questions in Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore back in the 1980s. BTW there used to be some kind of unix computer called Apollo that had a PC emulator and we used to play Leisure Suite Larry (in the land of lounge resorts) in that machine. Whatever happened to that company/computer?

Re:There was a cheat code for LSL? OMG!!! (1)

140Mandak262Jamuna (970587) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623288)

Troll? Off topic I could understand, but troll???

Who cares when Vista $uck$ (0, Troll)

gabrieltss (64078) | more than 6 years ago | (#22622714)

Who really cares when Vista sucks. It sucks so bad why would anyone even want to pirate it! I know a lady that bought a new HP laptop for school and I tried to tell here to not get a Vista one. I told her to press HP to give her one with XP on it. She didn't listen... She got it and HATED it! So she sent it back and now she is going to buy a MAC. One more person off of Windows!

Thank you Microsoft! Your doing our job for us!

old old old (0, Redundant)

gigarello (892823) | more than 6 years ago | (#22622744)

OMG this activation method is 1 year old...

One Fix to RULE THEM ALL! (-1, Flamebait)

Dr.D.IS.GREAT (1249946) | more than 6 years ago | (#22622758)

Well if er-buddy is gunna bitch about Vista I think it is time for us all to move to OSX. Setting up a hackintosh is not a great feat of hackery, just a real pain in the ass. so go forth! buy copies of leo, patch that shit and show mr. gates what mr. jobs gave you at a whopping 130.00 with no activation! BTW, I own a mac, a hack and a pc, so dont even start the flame warin'. Seriously... why doesnt everyone go hackintosh, better than a real mac imho. Dr. D

/bump? /BUMP! damnit... no bumping on /. (1)

PC and Sony Fanboy (1248258) | more than 6 years ago | (#22622822)

yeah. AMEN, and hallileujah. no more text ;)

Amusing (3, Insightful)

NickCatal (865805) | more than 6 years ago | (#22622774)

I always find it amusing that MSFT says that Vista is the least cracked OS they have made to date... They fail to see that most people who pirate OSes actually intend on using that OS and are as likely to want vista as anyone else...

Who cares... (1, Interesting)

neowolf (173735) | more than 6 years ago | (#22622788)

I know this will likely be seen as a troll and will hit my Karma but...

Seriously- who cares. Vista is probably the worst operating system to ever be produced (relative to others at the time), if not second behind Windows ME. My company tested it on several computers and has started removing it because it has proved to be almost unusable. It is also a technical support nightmare.

We are actually starting to go to Macs (something I never in my life thought I'd see). I haven't been able to talk them into actually trying Linux, unfortunately, even though I've run it for a couple of years now.

Someone should start a Web site for people to give away the Vista keys they don't want.

Where can I get one for XP? (2, Informative)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 6 years ago | (#22622802)

I'm not buying Vista, or pirating XP. My copy of XP is legal, purchased at Best Buy for a hundred bucks (actually a little more).

As Windows is so damned insecure, I won't get on the internet with it, period. I mostly use an old distro of GNU/Linux/KDE, and that's what I surf with. When I install Windows I unplug the ethernet, and disable networking in Windows before I plug the LAN back in.

Even were I to trust a patched copy of Windows, it takes longer to patch than a cracker can find the machine and add it to his botnet.

As a consequence, activation is a complete and itter pain in the ass. I have to call their damned computer in Redmond with my cell phone, which costs me by the minute. I then have to key in a very long unintelligible string, talking to a computer that has more trouble understaning me than a phone monkey in India.

Windows is getting flakey again (one slashdotter says I must have a bad memory chip, but I had this problem before and reinstalling Windows fixed it. I don't see how reinstalling Windows would fix a bad memory chip. And Mandriva runs flawlessly, why wil Linux work flawlwssly with a bad memory chip but not Windows?

So before I reinstall that piece of shit operating system that I paid way, way too much for, could one of you pirates point me to a patch that Microsoft calls a crack?

On second thought, never mind. I have no way of knowing that the patch/crack isn't a trojan. If anybody can figure a way out of this goddamned stupid activation mess that frustrates and annoys the hell out of me, a paying customer, while doing nothing whatever to slow pirates down I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

-mcgrew (not the security guy, that's a differen mcgrew)

Re:Where can I get one for XP? (1)

kenbo11 (1097593) | more than 6 years ago | (#22622938)

Wow! Paranoid much? Anyway. this crack has been out for over a year. (check the date on the article in the link) It was out when Vista was still just a release candidate. SP1 fixes this, but, of course, a new hack that SP1 does NOT fix was out before SP1 was released. Just can't keep up with those hackers!

Re:Where can I get one for XP? (1)

bhima (46039) | more than 6 years ago | (#22622944)

My sole interest in Windows is a virtual installation I occasionally use on my Mac. Currently I'm using a very small XP Lite with all the updates slipstreamed in which I got off the pirate bay. Yes I do have an old license for XP but I have no idea where the disk is. Anyway this tiny XP is great version and I think works very well as a 'guest' OS.

Re:Where can I get one for XP? (1)

Shados (741919) | more than 6 years ago | (#22622980)

And Mandriva runs flawlessly, why wil Linux work flawlwssly with a bad memory chip but not Windows?

Thats common, both ways. I don't know about now (haven't used Linux in a while), but back then you could tell your harddrives were going bad just by putting Linux on em. Linux would throw a total tantrum, kernel panicks and so on, while Windows would happily go along with it (for better or worse).

It depends what you do, too... as another example, a lot of people find out about bad hardware when they go and play with Gentoo, since compiling an entire system stresses hardware so much. I guess Windows along gets your hardware stressed out :)

Anyway...just saying its possible, but I don't think thats what it is. There's a lot of shitty software on Windows... iTune, most anti-virus, etc... any of those would slowly crap out your machine (as they would any OS if such shitty software was made for it).

That being said, you're seriously overdoing it. Windows pre-SP1 is vulnerable to ONE worm by just being there doing nothing, and just having it behind a NAT will make sure you can patch it up. If you have a later copy, even that isn't an issue. And even if i twas....you sure sound like you do have a NAT...its not like someone can go and own your box if it can't even tell it exists while you're patching... And then you can happily activate it over the internet (which you have a freagin month to do).

Re:Where can I get one for XP? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22623162)

Ever heard of a firewall? Realize that Windows XP has one? You know, it is a lot simpler to install Windows, enable the firewall (with no exceptions enabled), plug in your network cable, activate online, then patch online than what you have been doing. Oh, wait - then you wouldn't be able to complain about it on SlashDot. And I don't want to hear any whining about "oh, but THAT firewall is inbound only". So what? That's what you need to not get hacked while you patch.

My last install of Ubuntu 7.10 (most recent install was about 7 days ago) needed well over 200 MB of updates when it was built (I think it said 261 MB), so Windows isn't the only thing that needs patches either.

Re:Where can I get one for XP? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22623384)

why wil Linux work flawlwssly with a bad memory chip but not Windows
Its called luck.

If the error happens in the middle of some string or bitmap what do you care. You may not even notice. But if it happens in the middle of some code. THEN you care. MS and Linux have VERY different memory layouts for the kernel and other things.

Spend another 30 bucks on a NAT/Firewall. Your Linux box and MS box will like you more for it. It stops all worms dead in their tracks.

As a consequence, activation is a complete and itter pain in the ass
I have used this system a few times. If it is 'unintelligible' perhaps you should think about a different cell phone. Yes it sucks but it works. Also you can reuse the number the next time it happens.

I mostly use an old distro of GNU/Linux/KDE
You are asking for trouble there too. There are dozens of cracks for SSH, Apache, Bind, etc, out there... For some reason most 'old' distros turn EVERYTHING on by default. Then if you say you are behind a firewall you are just spreading FUD about windows update process then. Yes it sucks and YES its long. But it DOES work and will not get rooted if your are JUST going to the update site.

The parent post should be -1 Troll. It is every paranoid Linux user I have ever seen rolled into 1 post. Im surprised he doesnt just wrap the the XP disk in tinfoil just incase the NSA wants to know he is installing it.

I make no apologies for the way XP/Vista is. Yes it sucks in many ways. Vista is a pig with the harddrive because of all of the default services running out of box and Aero. But I'm sorry that was just paranoid.

The only thing I agree with here is the fact that out of box I am treated as if I am 'stealing' software.

who cares. (1)

theheadlessrabbit (1022587) | more than 6 years ago | (#22622818)

I already have a legit OEM copy of vista I'm not using, why would I want another copy to not use?

So Vista's now available free? (4, Funny)

Malevolent Tester (1201209) | more than 6 years ago | (#22622852)

Just need to wait a few more months and hopefully Microsoft will start paying people to use it.

heh. (3, Interesting)

Machine9 (627913) | more than 6 years ago | (#22622914)

Am I really the only person who is not super dissatisfied with Vista? I've honestly not experienced anything negative with it. I still prefer the ubuntu installation on my laptop mind, but gamers will be gamers, and Wine hurts my brain =(

Re:heh. (0)

digitig (1056110) | more than 6 years ago | (#22622998)

No, you're not the only one dissatisfied with Vista. I'm not dissatisfied with Vista. For the simple reason I don't have it on any machine I work with, so it's no problem at all.

Re:heh. (1)

digitig (1056110) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623026)

s/dissatisfied/not dissatisfied/ of course. Sorry.

No no no... you're doing it wrong. (2, Interesting)

Puppeteer_23 (1249966) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623186)

That's not how you do it. You're supposed to talk about how THIS is the year Linux is finally going mainstream and everyone's finally going to start using it, learning the shell and modding the kernel. That, or how everyone should just buy an Apple or something. Vista's the worst thing ever, remember?

Re:heh. (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623240)

When Cedega starts working properly (they're porting DX10 at the moment) with most games, i'm dropping Windows permenantly. I have a system capable of running anything I want, and all my hardware is supported. Hell, I dual booted Ubuntu and xp for a while until I got fed up of switching between the two when I wasn't gaming. Games are the only reason I use Windows.

Re:heh. (1)

MrMonroe (1194387) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623382)

Hey, someone else who hasn't been bitten by a /. zombie. I also run Vista (P64) with no issues whatsoever. I bought enough RAM. My system runs great. I'll tell you, it was a lot easier to switch from XP to Vista than it was to switch from 2000 to XP. In other news, please stop pirating software, no matter how big and faceless the corporation that produces it is. You're just hurting legitimate users, because, as others have posted, it sure isn't hurting M$'s bottom line much.

Re:heh. (1)

Puppeteer_23 (1249966) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623512)

Yeah. On a well-built machine, with a nice clean installation of Vista, i've had minimal issues. As a matter of fact, most people who come into the shop with Vista issues can usually be taken care of by uninstalling all the extra crap that the big OEMs stick in there and bumping the ram (usually 1GB). It's funny that the folks who have complained the most over the years about FUD are now the biggest perpetrators of it. ;)

Re:heh. (1)

Machine9 (627913) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623578)

I'll confess that my machine is quite a beast (quad core, 4gb ram etc) but I bought my mother a new laptop, which is pretty low-spec, and barring a windows mail bug with some items being undeletable (now fixed btw) no problems for her either. I'd love to run ubuntu on my desktop as well, I'm very happy with it on my laptop, but for the life of me I can't get my games to work with it (yet... I see another long weekend coming up). So yeah, linux zealots, if you're reading this, make all my games work without me having a massive headache and you'll have another convert.

Uh-Why would you WANT to pirate Vista? (2, Interesting)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 6 years ago | (#22622952)

Are you into pain or something? Why would anyone want to steal what most consider WinME II? I gave away the DVD I got for beta testing Vista,and last I heard it had already gone through at least 4 people,each having tried it for a couple of weeks and then running back to XP. It is like one of those fruitcakes that nobody wants-it just keeps getting passed around.I wonder if they have started making room in the landfill where they buried the Atari E.T. carts for all the Vista DVDs that will end up getting tossed?


And yes,I know some folks have managed to get it to run okay.I also have a neighbor who is still using and swears by WinME,but that don't make it good. Enough folks have been burned by Vista that all the service packs in the world ain't going to help the bad experiences of way too many early adopters. I'll stick with Xandros for my laptop and XP for gaming.But you do have to admit it is a brilliant way to combat piracy,just make an OS so slow and bloated that nobody will want to steal it!

Re:Uh-Why would you WANT to pirate Vista? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22623064)

grow up

Sweeeeet!!!!! (3, Funny)

wandazulu (265281) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623014)

I still don't want it, though.

The greater challenge: (1)

sabernet (751826) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623056)

Finding people who will bother to install a pirated Vista thereby requiring said crack.

DUPE! (1)

PalmKiller (174161) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623084)

I recall reading about this one before here...slow news day? I think its detectable in the latest updates also.

"Schema"? (1)

digitig (1056110) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623086)

How come it's a "Schema", not a "Scheme"?

Zonk, you insensitive clod! (1)

RockMFR (1022315) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623092)

The submitter wanted to know how to do this on XP! You removed his question! Now how is he going to pirate an OS that was released 7 years ago?

At last (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22623112)

It was so embarassing to have to crack it the improper way.

Proper cracks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22623584)

You might laugh but inside the cracking "scene" there are (or there were at least about 5 years ago when I used to do cracks for fun) different kinds of cracks, some where more "Zen" (no, no 1337 at that time) than others. The most dirty cracks where the ones where you actually had to *patch* the code to make it accept any password for example. A better approach would be a key-gen which would provide you with an acceptable key to register the program. Of course if you had a dongle, you simply *needed* a patch. Then there were other better "cracks" made for applications which password was validated on a server. Those could be cracked by patching or by providing the server software that simulated the real server communications.

I personally did cracks ranging from keygens to simple brute force patching JNZ to JZ, but never achieved a server simulation.

For each pirated copy one is saved (4, Insightful)

NWprobe (28716) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623286)

For each pirated copy of windows, one more computer doesn't run an alternative OS.
This is one of the factors keeping the userbase of Linux down. It's a mystery to me why people choose a pirated version of Windows instead an open and free version of a Linux distribution. I guess ignorance is not bliss.

Zonk is an Anus (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22623476)

That is all.

Real pirates (1)

Meat Computer (1249990) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623576)

Yayyyy, free software!
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