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tag: omgtreason (4, Funny)

Nimey (114278) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623604)

You know you want to.

Re:tag: omgtreason (5, Funny)

Selfbain (624722) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624184)

Wouldn't iTreason be more appropriate?

I dont get it (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22624226)

I don't understand why anyone feels that anything Woz says is important, meaningful, or relevant. Since leaving Apple, he's done... um... what, exactly? Dated an obscure comedian? That's about the only accomplishment I can recall.

So yeah, he helped create the first personal computer. And since then... what? I just don't see how something he did over 30 years ago somehow gives him the chops to have an expert opinion today. The dude isn't even working, is he? If you aren't in the game, that means you're out of the game.

Hum (5, Interesting)

GodCandy (1132301) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623606)

I am an Apple user and thus somewhat bias. I do however question the release of the iPhone without g3 support. I also believe that it needs a removable battery so that I could keep a spare.

On another note no one can say that the iPhone did not change the face of the cell phone market. I can't say if the new Air will do the same thing for the notebook market or not.

No questions (5, Insightful)

TheMeuge (645043) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623660)

I do however question the release of the iPhone without g3 support.
I don't. The reason is so blindingly obvious, it takes a superb amount of fanboyism to ignore:

Apple released a non-3G iPhone, to ensure that everyone who buys the first iPhone for $500, will buy the iPhone3G for $500, a year later.

Re:No questions (3, Interesting)

pohl (872) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623986)

And here I was thinking it had more to do with how much power the 3G chips consume, and how it would negatively effect how many hours you can get out of a fully charged battery. I'm shocked that Woz would be puzzled by this. He used to work with hardware, didn't he? Maybe he simply never did embedded hardware, and so it's out of the realm of his experience. But, shit, I'm just a programmer and I can understand that much.

Re:No questions (2, Insightful)

Applekid (993327) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624206)

TFA seems to indicate that his complaint is that he has 3G phones that last just as long as the non-3G iPhone... the fact that it takes extra energy isn't lost on him but rather it should have had 3G.

To have it use 3G and maintain it's current battery life might have taken extra engineering to squeeze more energy efficiency out of it, or a slightly more energetic battery. Wozniak doesn't strike me as a "product-cycle schedule is more important that the hardware" kind of guy.

3G (well-implemented) takes LESS energy... (3, Interesting)

hummassa (157160) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624264)

or, to be clear: it spends more power, but during much less time, so the energy / byte ratio is lower than, for instance, EDGE. Most 3G phones I know don't load a page in the browser while you are reading another (the iPhone certainly don't), so, the battery would endure MORE if the iPhone was 3G.

Re:3G (well-implemented) takes LESS energy... (5, Interesting)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624440)

Except that even basic housekeeping functionality eats lots of power when in 3G mode.

When in a 3G service area, battery life is affected significantly compared to in a GSM service area, even if all the phone does is idle nearly the entire time.

My AT&T Tilt seems to eat through battery at least twice as fast in standby if it is in a UMTS service area than it does when in a 2G GSM-only area, or when I force it into GSM mode for improved battery life.

The iPhone is an extremely thin device - there is no way they could have implemented 3G with the current crop of 3G chipsets without either making the device much thicker or reducing battery life significantly, both more "non-Appley" traits than slower data service.

Disclaimer: This applies to 3G GSM, aka UMTS. 3G CDMA2000 (aka 1xEV-DO) doesn't carry the same battery life penalty in comparison to 2G/2.5G cdmaOne/CDMA2000 - Partly because the base modulation scheme has not changed significantly. If Woz is a Verizon or Sprint customer he won't see much battery penalty for an EV-DO phone. Something about UMTS makes it very hard to optimize for power efficiency compared to CDMA2000, even for the CDMA experts at Qualcomm. (UMTS uses a CDMA modulation scheme, but with different parameters and a completely different protocol suite than CDMA2000.) UMTS is notorious for bad battery life/handset heat generation, even when implemented in a Qualcomm chipset such as the MSM7k series.

Re:No questions (5, Insightful)

timster (32400) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624034)

Because there is SO much free space inside the iPhone case for large extra chipsets. And AT&T's 3G network is well enough built out that the average user can expect 3G performance to be better than EDGE performance a significant majority of the time. And there are no independent tests confirming that 3G chipsets available in 2007 used much more battery power even when just making calls.

Not.

Re:No questions (4, Insightful)

eebra82 (907996) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624082)

Apple released a non-3G iPhone, to ensure that everyone who buys the first iPhone for $500, will buy the iPhone3G for $500, a year later.
That doesn't sound like Apple at all, does it? For starters, EDGE sucks on a phone that is intended for YouTube, Safari and mail applications. It makes as little sense as putting FIAT tires on a Lamborghini. Secondly, Apple's top of the line products usually equip the latest hardware. Just look at their computers and software products.

There is probably an entirely different reason Apple "chose" not to include 3G.

Re:No questions (2, Interesting)

djdavetrouble (442175) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624208)

For starters, EDGE sucks on a phone that is intended for YouTube, Safari and mail applications.

really? it doesn't seem to suck that much, or at all when I use my iphone. Its pretty damn fast.
I do happen to live in the most densely populated, and cell signal covered area in the USA though.
I am using T Mobile service also. YMMV.

Re:No questions (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22624210)

Don't be stupid, 3G would've drained the battery much faster than the 2G support and since it doesn't have a swappable battery you would be left high and dry until you could recharge it. This is just Steve Jobs thinking like the true computing pioneer that he is. Duh. I mean, how the hell would you get around the battery issue without doing something crazy like making it user-replaceable? Who the hell is going to want to buy a spare battery for their cell phone of all things?

Re:No questions (1)

T-Bone-T (1048702) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624436)

If you want to turn this into a car analogy, try this:
Sticking with EDGE is like putting FIAT tires on a Lamborghini. It doesn't make sense until you realize the Lamborghini probably won't be driven beyond narrow side-streets(EDGE) where racing tires won't perform any better to the highways(3G). But this Lamborghini is carrying a different set of racing tires and they come in handy when you are at racetracks(hot spots).

Re:No questions (3, Insightful)

Mr. Underbridge (666784) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624098)

I don't. The reason is so blindingly obvious, it takes a superb amount of fanboyism to ignore:

Apple released a non-3G iPhone, to ensure that everyone who buys the first iPhone for $500, will buy the iPhone3G for $500, a year later.

I think the reasons were a little more complicated. While I fully agree that Apple likes to ensure that their fans purchase the same thing many, many times, I don't think that's what happened here. I honestly think they would have gone with a better network initially if they could, but that they couldn't get a provider with 3G support and willing to cave to all their demands initially. What you're suggesting is that Apple intentionally crippled a product that, if we recall from a year ago, was given a real chance of being the next Newton. I think making a phone was sufficiently important to Jobs that he wasn't going to dick around intentionally crippling it.

We saw what he did instead - charge early adopters a tax for the privilege.

Re:Hum (4, Insightful)

dave420 (699308) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623736)

The iPhone didn't change the face of the cell phone market. It changed the face of the Idiot Bauble market by allowing them to buy a phone, but the most intense users of phones before the iPhone launch (corporate) still can't use the thing, so I fail to see how a non-3G phone corporate users can't use is changing the face of the cell phone market. Also, outside the US, the iPhone hasn't been as great a success. Most other countries already had phones that bested the iPhone on features (and price). The iPhone and the Air are just extrapolations of a game Apple didn't put into play. They're just using their clout to push things forward slightly, they're not launching new ways of thinking about existing products. They're playing the same game as everyone else, they just happen to have millions of grass-roots users screaming about their new products every time someone hears something new about them.

Re:Hum (4, Insightful)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624030)

Most other countries already had phones that bested the iPhone on features (and price).
I've played with an iPhone and it beats any other phone I've seen on interface hands down. Outside the US, however, it is far too restrictive. People here in the UK are used to cheap phones supporting 3G (my three-year-old one does, and it was free with the cheapest contract I could find). We are used to being able to install third-party software (I installed the Google Mobile Maps thing last night, for example, and have a third-party file manager which makes copying large collections of photos via bluetooth much easier than the built-in one). We are also, sadly, used to phones with horrible UIs. Being asked to trade a lot of features and a crap UI for fewer features, no way of adding the missing ones, a (much) higher price and a better UI is not the compelling.

I looked on eBay last night, and the N95 goes for about half the price of the iPhone. In terms of features, it is far ahead of the iPhone. Would you pay twice as much for a better UI and fewer features?

re: Would you pay twice as much for better UI ? (5, Insightful)

King_TJ (85913) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624362)

I think your question really hits the nail on the head, actually. When people buy Apple products, they're almost *always* doing so specifically because they're willing to "pay more for a better UI". And yes, part of that inherently means "fewer features".

Did the iPod become a huge success because it had the "most features for the dollar"? Hardly! It didn't even have a lousy built-in FM radio tuner! The beauty of it, though, was the overall form factor and UI functionality. While China and Korea were cranking out cheap little generic MP3 players with tiny buttons and single line LCD displays, Apple came along with a player that was easy and actually *enjoyable* for people to manipulate. I remember when I first bought a 2nd. generation iPod, I'd hand it to reluctant people who said "I don't know how to use one of these things!" - and within seconds, they'd get a big grin on their face when they realized how that scroll-wheel let them move through the menus. The whole thing just had a "satisfying" feel to operating it, and even to simply holding it in your hand comfortably.

Mac OS X is much the same way. It's a visually satisfying OS, as well as one that most people find relatively "friendly" to use once they give it a chance. If your only (or main) concern is having the most possible options to tweak/modify, then OS X isn't for you. Many aspects of the UI are chosen for you by Apple's designers, and you'll have to buy 3rd. party tools (that often destabilize the system or fail when updates come along) just to force the changes. On the other hand, MOST of us just want an operating system that's stable, looks good out of the box, and does the things we need it to do. OS X seems to accomplish all of this quite well.

I see the iPhone as yet another device in this vein. Some phones really cram in too MANY features, and it just makes the menus hard to navigate. Most cellphone users can't even tell you what some of the options do, or at least how to get to them on their phones. The iPhone does a pretty darn impressive job of making it easy to access the things you really might want to use on your phone, while leaving out a lot of the confusion. (EG. If I want to call forward my number to another number, I don't have to to remember that my carrier uses * and some 2 digit code to turn forwarding on, and another such code to turn it back off. I simply tap the "Call forward" option on the iPhone menu and key in the destination number for it. I then slide the switch to either "On" or "Off" and it's done.) And obviously, the web browsing experience blows away most of the competition. It's the first of many "Smartphones" I've had where I can surf "normal" web sites and actually read the content properly.

Re:Hum (1)

kellyb9 (954229) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624124)

...(corporate) still can't use the thing...
Let me just preface this comment by saying I'm not a huge Mac fan, but I have to admit, this is one of the things I actually like about Apple. They're not stupid. They don't try to design one solution for everybody. The iPhone was never meant to be used on the corporate side... therefore, they don't support it.

Re:Hum (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22624222)

The iPhone didn't change the face of the U.S. cellular market my foot! They have sold depending on whose estimates a million phones - 40% are new subscribers. This is a monster success in and of itself for phones. Ignoring this tell me the Voyager isn't a direct response to the iPhone... I dare you, the interface is almost the same. All of this isn't how the iPhone changed the market but the fact that Verizon is 'opening up' it's network to non-verizon sanctioned CDMA phones is mostly due to it's hemorrhaging of high end customers due to the iPhone. The iPhone has changed the rules in the cell phone building game. It has shown the carriers that if you build a better device they will come. In a day where the service has been commoditized people need differentiating features. The fact that it hasn't been as successful outside the US only shows how bad the US cell phone market was. I don't own an iPhone but I will acknoledge it is clearly the most superior ssdd I have seen yet. It's not perfect - I'd like to see AD2P BT and G3 but it's an awesome device for a first generation product.

Hopefully it won't... (0)

argent (18001) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623772)

I can't say if the new Air will do the same thing for the notebook market or not.

Hopefully it will have as much effect on the market as the iMac and Mini. To wit: a sporadic scatter of me-too products every time a new version comes out, which don't sell very well because the bottom line is that these are not really very good designs and without OS X they just don't have much traction.

Bullshit. Air is already a hit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22623982)

...and I'm writing this on one of them.

Re:Hum (5, Interesting)

njfuzzy (734116) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623930)

I'm going to blow my mod points, and comment on this instead... The reasons for releasing an EDGE iPhone are strikingly obvious to me, and I know others have seen the same two things: First: The simple fact is that at the time of the release, AT&T 3G coverage in the US, the main market for the iPhone, was very low. Even months later, it is still spotty at best. Coverage was just not ready. Second: Apple has also been very clear that, at the time of the release, 3G chips were battery hogs. Remember that this device has a hugh, bright screen with the added power draw of the touch interface, a powerful processor, all while barely thicker than the thinnest phone MOTO offers (the SLVR). Adding any more power drain would have meant making it thicker (less appealing) and slightly more expensive by adding a bigger battery. All this leads to an obvious conclusion: The first generation iPhone *needed* to be EDGE, not 3G. That gave them time for 3G coverage and power drain on 3G chips to catch up with their needs. From what I am hearing, that process is going well. I think Apple will release a 3G iPhone when it is ready, though of course timed to maximize revenue. (Plus, let's be fair, if they released it too soon, people would have bitched about being ripped off by the original. Some companies just can't win.) Also, honestly, who here has an iPhone, and thinks the EDGE speeds are slow for what they use them for? The only pain I experience is trying to use Google Maps with the satellite or hybrid mode , in a lower coverage area where bandwidth takes a hit.

Re:Hum (4, Informative)

molarmass192 (608071) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624342)

I have an iPhone and the EDGE connection is fine. Yeah, it could be faster, but let be honest, I ONLY use EDGE for Maps and the odd web request while in the car (not when I'm driving of course). I'd say 90% of the time the phone is tapped into WiFi somewhere and that's plenty fast. I can see 3G being a draw for some, but that alone is not going to be enough for me to upgrade. I have to agree with the removable battery though. It would be nice to always have one in the cradle ready for a swap out.

Re:Hum (5, Insightful)

smackt4rd (950154) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624502)

I think they're just following the same old "ipod" strategy. (which has worked so far) They keep adding incremental upgrades to the device, and get to charge you $400 for each new one. Why not keep that up, if people keep falling for it?

Re:Hum (1)

toddabalsley (1163625) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623954)

The reason there is no 3g support is battery life.

  I am not aware of all of the technical details, but I spoke with some people at AT&T about it and they said that Apple's chief concern was the poor battery life with 3G.

lack of touchscreen... (5, Interesting)

afxgrin (208686) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624228)

The MacBook Air needed to have a touch screen. Then I could finally use a laptop that's not a fucking giant block of electronics as a replacement for my clipboard.

They should call it the Breeze or something. And put a low power mode for writing notes. The battery needs to squeeze out 8 hours for the device. It can be slower, that doesn't matter, it just needs to be a replacement for a clipboard.

There needs to be a mode on it called "scribble" or something, where the screen fills with a blank, lined or graph paper-like background, colour selection bar at the top, maybe a clear-screen quick button, a snap-to function for making quick hand drawn graphs, and IM support so you can reply with handwritten IMs, send notes, etc. It makes IM more personalized, and reduces the easily intercept-able plain text messages.

Make a version that's reasonably cheaper, maybe a low-colour display, flash memory storage, slower processor... but again, it's designed for taking notes. Maybe some web surfing as well. The advantage needs to be long battery life to get through an entire day of work or school without having to recharge it or plug it in.

Now I've shared the angst I've had pent up over electronics for the past 5 years. Somebody do something with this. Otherwise I'm just going to make it myself.

Re:Hum (1)

JediN8 (941637) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624280)

battery life. 3G sucks the life right out of a battery. I belive there is a 3G hardware vendor that is close to solving the power issue, then iPhone will likely get 3G support.

I'm glad SOMEONE is saying it... (4, Insightful)

PC and Sony Fanboy (1248258) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623610)

Well, Steve is just stating what everyone else is thinking! Everyone who isn't completely in love with apple, that is. Although apple has great products, they're not for everyone, and because of that, they lack certain features.

For example, the macbook air isn't very good as a main computer, and the lack of 3G iphones has to do with battery life - Apple has chosen to offer certain features which are mutually exclusive with other features - I'm glad someone ... respectable ... is saying it!

I know a girl who has apple everything. She wouldn't buy a music player if it didn't come from apple - and she has 4 ipods, and 3 apple computers. She likes things to WORK, and she likes them to look beautiful. So, she ** IS ** apple's target market.

Me, on the other hand, I prefer other options - I LIKE figuring out how my gadgets work, and I like repairing them at home ... so if they're a little bigger (because they're not manufatured with VERY tight tolerances, like the ipod nano), then I'm okay with that.

Re:I'm glad SOMEONE is saying it... (5, Interesting)

insertwackynamehere (891357) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623782)

I'm on both sides. I used to hate Apple for the same reasons that you prefer non-Apple products: I like to feel like I have control and figure out how things work, etc. However I got a Macbook Pro for school to go with my PC I've had for ages. The fact is, I don't use my PC anymore because as much as like messing with things, I'd rather they work 99% of the time and I'm willing to sacrifice the nerdiness and wasted time getting things to work in order to successfully use my comp when I need to. Of course, I was running XP but I cannot deal with it any more. I was trying to use it again yesterday, I don't know how I used Windows for my whole life until now. Nothing works! Everything crashes, games just choke to the point of hard shutdowns being a requirement despite having enough processing power, RAM, video card power etc (I invested a lot into my system). I just can't deal with it anymore because I feel like kicking the thing everytime I turn it on. Ideally, I'd move over to Linux and although I've tried a few times, it's always delegated to a secondary OS because it still can't support everything 100% without tons of excess effort. However Linux at least combines stability with the nerdiness factor, after using Windows for years thinking getting things to work proved my 1337ness, I realized it was just that Windows couldn't handle shit and I was proving my 1337ness but for no real reason.. getting things to run that a normal user may have trouble with is good, but it's also pointless. I know this probably reads like a troll but it's the absolute truth from my perspective and I'm only saying it in response to the parent who has similar views to my old self.

Re:I'm glad SOMEONE is saying it... (1)

Actually, I do RTFA (1058596) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624310)

. The fact is, I don't use my PC anymore because as much as like messing with things, I'd rather they work 99% of the time and I'm willing to sacrifice the nerdiness and wasted time getting things to work in order to successfully use my comp when I need to.

I call BS. Apples don't "just work" any more than XP machines do. Wireless networking is hell if you want WPA encryption. What Apples do do is have more preloaded software. So, if you are considering the default software package, then sure. I have had to split my time equally between OSX and XP, and I spent far more time fiddling getting stuff to work in OSX.

What annoys me so much is that XP has so many issues, but the plug-n-play/everything-works is not one of them. It denegrates the entire case against using MS products when people use that argument, because the average user doesn't notice this issue. They then assume "security" or "open-standards" is just as big a wankathon.

Re:I'm glad SOMEONE is saying it... (1)

El Yanqui (1111145) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624480)

I call BS. Apples don't "just work" any more than XP machines do. Wireless networking is hell if you want WPA encryption.


Well I call shenanigans on you. I have a Mac Pro and a Macbook Pro and I use a wireless network with WPA encryption at home and at work. It really does just work. What the hell is so difficult about it for you?

Re:I'm glad SOMEONE is saying it... (4, Insightful)

egomaniac (105476) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624532)

I call BS. Apples don't "just work" any more than XP machines do.

I concede that Apples are not perfect machines the way many fanboys claim they are, but I strongly disagree that they have as many problems as XP machines. "Just work" includes things like not having to resort to Google every time I want to find an infrequently accessed setting or command, which I find myself doing embarrassingly often on XP and Vista. They're both horribly laid out, and completely different from one another with respect to how to perform many common tasks.

OS X, even after a decade of dedicated Windows use, makes far more sense to me, and obviously to many others. It's clearly a personal matter, and you might not share the same opinion, but you can't deny that many people feel OS X is easier to navigate.

Wireless networking is hell if you want WPA encryption.

Wait... what? I've got WPA encryption on my network. The user experience was: OS X told me that the network required a password and prompted me to enter it. I entered it. And presto, I was hooked up to the network. Where exactly is the "hell" part?

What Apples do do is have more preloaded software. So, if you are considering the default software package, then sure. I have had to split my time equally between OSX and XP, and I spent far more time fiddling getting stuff to work in OSX.

What exactly did you have to fiddle with on the OS X side of things to get it to work?

Re:I'm glad SOMEONE is saying it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22624360)

Your comment about games it interesting, considering that games run in Windows better than on any other platform with the same hardware, and by a very large margin. What exactly did you mean?

Re:I'm glad SOMEONE is saying it... (1)

0racle (667029) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624006)

[blockquote] the macbook air isn't very good as a main computer[/blockquote] Name a UMPC that is. Or one that was a hit really. [blockquote]and the lack of 3G iphones has to do with battery life[/blockquote] Other companies seem to be able to pull it off.

Re:I'm glad SOMEONE is saying it... (1)

0racle (667029) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624054)

Oh god damnit. Maybe I'll hit preview this time.

the macbook air isn't very good as a main computer
Name a UMPC that is. Or one that was a hit really.

and the lack of 3G iphones has to do with battery life
Other companies seem to be able to pull it off.

Re:I'm glad SOMEONE is saying it... (1)

neuromanc3r (1119631) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624214)

Name a UMPC that is. Or one that was a hit really.
The problem is that the Macbooc Air is not really good at being an UMPC either. If I want a notebook I intend to carry around a lot, I want it to be small, not just flat. (and I want an Ethernet socket, but that is not really the point)

Re:I'm glad SOMEONE is saying it... (1)

pohl (872) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624376)

Other companies seem to be able to pull it off.

Really? Other companies have put 3G in a phone without making serious tradeoffs that make the resulting product very much unlike the iPhone? Do give an example.

Re:I'm glad SOMEONE is saying it... (2, Insightful)

nevali (942731) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624136)

[q]For example, the macbook air isn't very good as a main computer, and the lack of 3G iphones has to do with battery life - Apple has chosen to offer certain features which are mutually exclusive with other features - I'm glad someone ... respectable ... is saying it! [/q]

I hate to burst your bubble, but everyone except the most rabid of fanboys (and I'll concede that the likes of Slashdot has a tendency for attracting them) has consistently said as much: if doesn't offer the features you require, don't buy it, no matter if it is the prettiest/nicest designed/lickable/whatever.

Lots of people are content with EDGE (or just don't care), and Apple's been selling to those people--the reasons for not producing a 3G iPhone have been pretty clear from quite early on, but that doesn't mean the iPhone is suddenly everybody's only option and that they're somehow more limited by the iPhone's limitations than they were previously. I have plenty of Apple products, but I have plenty of products from other manufacturers too: I don't really understand the current trend for bashing a product because it doesn't meet an individual's specific requirements, when it's quite obvious that it does meet (or exceed) the requirements of more than enough people to keep Apple in business and the vast majority of its customers happy.

Re:I'm glad SOMEONE is saying it... (3, Insightful)

failedlogic (627314) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624236)

This touches on a much larger problem for Apple ... they make throw-away gadgets and computers of increasingly lesser quality as they build up a user-base. They are in some ways becoming Dell by decreasing quality (for increased profit) as their sales volume increases.

I think the quality of the iMac systems have gone down since the switch-over to Intel. I'm not tempted to buy one and would rather continue to use my G5 (not an option much longer) or buy a PC. I have to buy a whole lot of extra junk and throw it away after using it because Apple couldn't/wouldn't make a more affordable and expandable desktop. I'd like a better video card. I'd like a second hard-drive inside the system, ditto a better DVD burner. So when I replace the iMac with a PC, I don't need the HDD and burner enclosure. My LCD monitor (on the iMac), if I decide not to keep the iMac is utterly useless to me as I can't change it from computer to LCD monitor (there is a way, I'm not tempted or skilled enough to try).

The iPod market is very much dependent on a throw-away society. My 5th Gen iPod's battery is supposed to last around 12 to 20 hours (can't remember the marketing lingo) but it has only ever lasted around 6 hours. I've replaced the battery myself with a higher life brand-name battery. Still same result. The shuffle, nano and the iPhone build on this idea of throw-away. I don't like the idea of having to send-in a cell-phone and not have access to it for a few days for Apple to change the battery. Hello?! for some people its their only phone. Calling 911, at the least, is going to be impossible!

Sour Grapes (1, Insightful)

Lord Haw Haw (1248410) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623630)

It's also just too bad he's not earning off these products. Heck, I'd go as far to say my old employer makes inferior products. They did fire me though, so maybe I'm just letting off steam.

not sour grapes... (2, Insightful)

argent (18001) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623670)

Woz is, according to the article you obviously didn't read, still employed by and invested in Apple.

Re:not sour grapes... (1)

swb (14022) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624504)

"Employed by" in a serious and meaningful key engineer/executive, or in a name-on-a-empty-office emeritus employee status? My guess is they like to keep him around from a brand perspective and some people like him sort of a way, but I seriously doubt he's a key contributer on any Apple product.

"Still invested in" really means nothing.

Re:Sour Grapes (3, Informative)

canUbeleiveIT (787307) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623692)

Really?

FTA: Wozniak, who has moved on to new ventures since Apple but is still an employee and shareholder...

I would say that he is earning off of these products.

Re:Sour Grapes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22623876)

Of course the stock has dropped 40% in the past couple months, so perhaps that's why he is bitter.

Re:Sour Grapes (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624078)

Of course the stock has dropped 40% in the past couple months, so perhaps that's why he is bitter.
This probably has more to do with current trends in the stock market itself than with anything related to Apple itself. In a declining market, tech stocks tend to drop fast.

Re:Sour Grapes (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624096)

Woz is very well-off and I don't think any future earnings will have much impact on his standard of living. He also continues to own a big pile of Apple stock and so does make money when Apple make products that sell well. He always speaks his mind about technology, from Apple or anyone else. When Apple make good products, you can find interviews with Woz explaining why they are great (and how they could be even better). When they make products that suck, you can find him explaining what they did wrong.

Sounds like he's been reading slashdot... (3, Interesting)

argent (18001) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623636)

All those comments could have come right from here. :)

Personally I think the Macbook Air may sell well, because Apple's proven they can get users to suffer through all kinds of hardware deficiencies to get their software.

Re:Sounds like he's been reading slashdot... (1)

Angostura (703910) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623886)

That would be true, if the Air was the only or the cheapest laptop to come with OS X. But it isn't. From which we can conclude than Air purchases are actually from people who like the software but are willing to put up with additional hardware deficiencies for extreme portability.

It's not my cup of tea, but if I spent most of my time in airports, shuttling between offices, I might look at it rather seriously

Re:Sounds like he's been reading slashdot... (2, Interesting)

Gay for Linux (942545) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623980)

I'm interested in the air but not for OSX. I travel a lot, so the lightweight thing is cool. The deficiencies aren't a big deal. I can't remember the last time I used my current laptop's ethernet port, and the DVD player lies fallow most of the time. Why swap disks when I can download what I want to watch?

The problem with the Air is that I don't know how I'd install XP on it, and I need XP for proper MS Office utils.

Re:Sounds like he's been reading slashdot... (1)

bigsam411 (1043552) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624106)

No offense but you do realize that MS Office is available for Mac, so there should be no issue unless you needed something like access which already has alternatives like filemaker. As far as installing windows you would probably be able to do it with the boot camp utility through remote disc or using the optical drive add on.

Re:Sounds like he's been reading slashdot... (1)

nwf (25607) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624070)

I wish Apple luck with the Air, but as someone who has owned at least 6 different PowerBooks and now a Mac Book Pro, I'd never get an Air. The lack of Ethernet and a non-replaceable battery are deal breakers for me. Apple has generally been very good at balancing features, cost and easy of use. Not here. Sort of like the Apple TV. What's the point? Both are so limited as to be nothing more than a toy.

Re:Sounds like he's been reading slashdot... (1)

kellyb9 (954229) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624160)

Personally, I think Apple users suffer through the software deficiencies to get their hardware.

Re:Sounds like he's been reading slashdot... (1)

Midnight Thunder (17205) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624220)

Personally I think the Macbook Air may sell well, because Apple's proven they can get users to suffer through all kinds of hardware deficiencies to get their software.

The MacBook Air is essentially a little over priced and a little ahead of its time. I wouldn't be surprised if this product sells well in Japan, since they have a very different mentality towards design and cost.

LGHS (-1, Flamebait)

Meat Computer (1249990) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623650)

I went to Los Gatos High with Wozniak's offspring. One in particular can suck my cock cause they're just jealous. Wow, been waiting a long time to say that.

3G (5, Insightful)

dangerz (540904) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623654)

While I definitely do miss the speed of 3G, all the other features of the iPhone made it worth it. I came from the Cingular 8525 and while it was an ok phone, all the apps on there seemed like they were made for a computer. Tiny buttons, slow response times and nothing worked well together.

The thing I like about the iPhone is while it does have a lot of apps, all of them were made for a phone. MMS is stupid not having, but I knew that when I purchased it. Hopefully it's just a firmware update.

Overall, it's a pretty good phone and I dont regret buying it.

Re:3G (2, Insightful)

dave420 (699308) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623792)

I had to go for the Nokia N95 8GB because I needed 3G for work, and I wanted the AGPS and 5MP camera. I can't tether the iPhone to my PC and use it for work, as it just doesn't have the speed.

I do love the iPhone's interface, but I don't see the point of having a Ferrari's dashboard on a Fiat Punto. I'd rather have it the other way round ;)

Re:3G (1)

teh kurisu (701097) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624528)

One of the reasons that I'm almost decided on buying an iPhone as soon as a 3G version comes out (and given that there's now a 16GB version) is that I already own an iPod Touch, and absolutely love it - but it frustrates me that when I'm out and about a lot of the features become useless due to the lack of any WiFi networks available.

My boss has a Nokia N810 and an N95 (the original, not the 8GB). The N810 automatically detects the N95's presence and will use its 3G connection over Bluetooth with the minimum of fuss, which may be the best way to get a decent UI (which IMO, the N95's isn't) and a 3G connection to anybody that doesn't mind carrying two devices.

You can't make everyone happy. (0)

garcia (6573) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623688)

While I believe that the lack of 3G is kinda lame, I must admit that the device itself bests anything else available and certainly will become the innovative device to match. I would love to move to the Android platform (as I appreciate not being locked-in to AT&T) but the prototype devices are still the same old, same old. Give me the iPhone with a hidden full QWERTY along with the ability to plug into a LCD/wireless keyboard so I can do some real work with it when I'm able and then you'll have a sale.

The MacBook Air is also a sweet device. My wife drools over those commercials like I drool over the iPhone commercials [youtube.com] . I know they aren't the fastest things on the planet but personally I've been using a P3-800 (after an upgrade from a P-133 -- yes, first generation Pentium) and it's just fine for surfing the web and writing code via SSH.

To each their own.

Just a quick note ... (3, Informative)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624128)

after an upgrade from a P-133 -- yes, first generation Pentium)

The p-133's weren't first-gen by a long shot.

The 1st-gen Pentiums were P5 (Intel product 80501/ 80500) - 66 and 60 mhz (the 60mhz chips were those that couldn't pass QC at full speed). - .80 micron process. Your p5-133 is either a P54CS or (if its a lappy) a P55C. You skipped both the original P5 and the P54C.

Good thing too - the original P5 was expensive, and slowwwww compared to an AMD 486-120.

Re:You can't make everyone happy. (2, Insightful)

darjen (879890) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624130)

Give me the iPhone with a hidden full QWERTY


You should consider the Nokia e90 Communicator. Though the price tag is a bit high, personally I think it kicks the crap out of the iPhone in features. It also lacks 3G in the US, but only because it uses a different frequency band.

So? (1, Insightful)

swein515 (195260) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623690)

So just because Woz said it, it's news? His opinions are nothing new, at all, and have zero insight as an Apple "insider".

Re:So? (2, Funny)

Funkcikle (630170) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623744)

Wozniak won't be happy until every Apple project is personally designed and constructed by himself and comes with a copy of his autobiography.

Re:So? (1, Insightful)

Meat Computer (1249990) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623778)

Yeah, and who the fuck are you, some slob? At least he co-founded Apple Computer. That means something.

Re:So? (3, Insightful)

eldepeche (854916) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623866)

I would say it's more newsworthy than Linus or RMS saying something, because everyone always knows what Linus thinks, and RMS never shuts up. It's been a while since I read a quotation from Woz.

Re:So? (2, Funny)

srussia (884021) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623890)

So just because Woz said it, it's news? His opinions are nothing new, at all, and have zero insight as an Apple "insider".


Cut the guy some slack. For some reason, people whose last name ends in "-ak", are just incapable of understanding the marketing side of Apple products. (Ya, I'm, lookin' at you John C.)

Re:So? (1)

Moofie (22272) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624052)

You might want to check the spelling on "Carmack" again, Sparky.

Re:So? (2, Funny)

srussia (884021) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624170)

You might want to check the spelling on "Carmack" again, Sparky.
With all due respect to your 5-digit UID, I was referring to a certain pundit named after a keyboard layout.

Re:So? (1)

neonmonk (467567) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624428)

Yeah. Sheesh. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

Re:So? (0, Troll)

Meat Computer (1249990) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624094)

Hey, it's the subscription department at Lowest Common Denominator magazine calling, it's time to renew your subscription!! Haha, I'm so funny. Why do you hate Wozniak? You dump all over him for nothing with such hatred. Tell your Jewish sister it's time to deepthroat my cock.

Re:So? (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624438)

I also think it's funny because... what the hell is Woz doing these days? Maybe someone knows of something, but I doubt he's released anything recently that's enjoyed the sort of success that the iPod has. So even if he totally hates Apple's current lineup, so what? Let me know when someone relevant has an opinion.

Dumped on AppleTV ? (1)

mbone (558574) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623714)

He didn't really dump on AppleTV as a product. He just didn't like the 24 hour rental feature for movies.

Jews Kill Mudslums (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22623740)

Hooray for Jews, the new Nazis.

Woz's notebook is already here... (4, Insightful)

russotto (537200) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623758)

It's called the MacBook Pro. I'm sure he has a few. The Air isn't for him.

And of course everyone wants 3G on the iPhone. Judging from the sales, it's not a fatal flaw.

Re:Woz's notebook is already here... (1)

dave420 (699308) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623892)

You should check out the sales in other countries apart from the US. Not lookin' too healthy there.

Re:Woz's notebook is already here... (2, Informative)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624186)

I thought Apple were crazy for launching a phone in the US. The US mobile phone market is incredibly hostile to manufacturers because the lack of standardisation encourages lock-in. If you want to switch networks elsewhere in the world, you just take your existing phone (maybe pay a nominal fee to get it unlocked) and pop a new SIM card in it. In the USA, you can only do that between GSM providers, and you are lucky to have two of them in the same area willing to unlock your phone.

Looking at the iPhone, it is clearly designed for the US market. Elsewhere, the idea of a phone that doesn't let you just copy arbitrary MP3/4 files to use as ring tones is silly. So is a phone marketed for data use that can't be used as a bluetooth modem. My last three phones have all supported these features, and they have all been cheap and infrequently upgraded. The UI on my current phone sucks for Internet use, but the fact I can use it as a bluetooth modem with my Nokia 770 or MacBook Pro makes up for it, because they both have nice browsing interfaces.

Re:Woz's notebook is already here... (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22624238)

Fanboi!

Neither of your points actually disagrees with Woz. You just wave your hands and imply that he's somehow wrong.

It's called the MacBook Pro. I'm sure he has a few. The Air isn't for him.

The fact that the macbook pro exists doesn't change the fact that the air suxorz. The Air isn't for him - and it isn't for anyone else, either!

And of course everyone wants 3G on the iPhone. Judging from the sales, it's not a fatal flaw.

Which does nothing to change the fact that lack of 3G is a flaw. Which is what Woz was saying.

Ironically. . . (5, Informative)

MistaE (776169) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623780)

Woz also states in the same interview [macrumors.com] that he's tired of reporters taking his comments out of context and making him look like an Apple-hater.

Quote: "[Jobs] calls me and he says he doesn't like something that I was reputed to have said. But he gets it out of context. A reporter's seized on a comment and strung along with that. I'm very positive on Apple, but I'll also point out things that could be better, or aren't the way I'd like them to be."

Re:Ironically. . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22623948)

All Woz is saying is that some of Apple's stuff could use improvement. You could say that about any company... but journalists aren't paid to report the truth, they're paid to grab eyeballs.

So, is Woz not allowed to comment on things any more because lusers posing as journalists are going to put words in his mouth?

Someone tag this article as "!dumping" and/or "dishonestreporter".

Today on Out of Context Theatre (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22623828)

For another take, check out this story. [macworld.com.au] Pay attention to the full quote on the air: "I really like it. But I don't think it's going to be a hit. I know some people love it and it works great, they have a computer at work, and they use their Air to give presentations, but I don't see a mass swing over to them."

And most interesting, check out his comments on reporters:

And since Woz was giving a fairly robust critique of Apple's lineup, we asked him whether his old business partner Steve Jobs ever gets antsy about his comments.

"Very seldom. He calls me and he says he doesn't like something that I was reputed to have said. But he gets it out of context. A reporter's seized on a comment and strung along with that. I'm very positive on Apple, but I'll also point out things that could be better, or aren't the way I'd like them to be. But we're very good friends. We've never argued over these things ... but occasionally he'll ring me and say 'thanks a lot!'

"But I'll say, 'Steve, think about it! I'm saying the same thing as you!' I got ganged up on recently at a conference ... Apple lowered the price on the iPhone and I got asked what I thought. I said, 'well, it was kinda overpriced, and they dropped the price too much, too fast'. Well, Apple had already said that. They apologised, gave a hundred bucks back, and I was saying the same thing as Apple. I got accused of trashing Apple! All I was doing was plagiarising Apple!"
Way to prove the guy's point, Sydney Morning Herald.

Apple's biggest mistake with the iPhone (4, Interesting)

MikeRT (947531) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623908)

When Google announced the availability of the Android SDK, Apple should have seen that as a shot across their bow. It's just not occurred to them that if Android really works out in the real world the way that their slimmed down OSX does, that they're going to run the serious risk of having to play catch up with Google.

Apple should have released an SDK for the iPod Touch that gives full access to the system on both the iPod Touch and iPhone when the iPhone is not on a cellular network. A certification process for the code that interacts with a cellular network is one thing, but all of this rumored crap about the restrictions should have been dispelled by Steve Jobs announcing it as a general SDK open to everyone.

All it's going to take to kick the iPhone squarely in the balls is for someone to make a very sleak Android-based phone that has no developer restrictions on it. People are going to write good software for Android, and then Apple is going to have to convince casual users why they should pay for a phone that doesn't have all of the cool features and add-ons that are free or cheap for Android.

Re:Apple's biggest mistake with the iPhone (3, Insightful)

metamatic (202216) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624024)

Apple should have released an SDK for the iPod Touch that gives full access to the system on both the iPod Touch and iPhone when the iPhone is not on a cellular network.

Wait, you actually bought that garbage about needing the SDK restrictions in order to ensure network security? In spite of the fact that Nokia, Sony Ericsson, RIM, and all the WinCE handset makers have open SDKs which don't require application signing?

Re:Apple's biggest mistake with the iPhone (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624256)

Symbian applications, iirc, do require signing. I wouldn't be suprised if Blackberry apps did as well.

The part that gets people's goat is the claim that only apps approved by Apple will ever see release, and only through iTunes.

Re:Apple's biggest mistake with the iPhone (1)

Bill_the_Engineer (772575) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624318)

Yea and Symbian is a great OS to program within, The WiFi capabilities of the other smart phones are up-to-par, the other smartphones have a growing market share, everyone loves their UI... oh wait scratch that...

Re:Apple's biggest mistake with the iPhone (1)

Moofie (22272) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624074)

Maybe, someday. I'll bet you a shiny nickel that the iPhone SDK ships before an Android device.

Re:Apple's biggest mistake with the iPhone (0)

di'jital (83268) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624266)

Look, Apple is being true to it's roots!

They learned all the hard lessons of the Macintosh introduction in the 1980s, and decided that they did everything absolutely right! Overprice it, lock it down, and fight independent developers tooth and nail to preserve the "experience".

I predict that with the launch of the SDK, Apple will invite Mi .. Google as a special partner to develop applications for the iPhone, so that together can take down IB ... Microsoft. I'm sure Apple is not worried about Android because the technology is inferior and it just doesn't have the same "class".

Re:Apple's biggest mistake with the iPhone (1)

kithrup (778358) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624462)

What makes you think Apple didn't see it as a "shot across their bow"? Given the relationship between Google and Apple (remember who is on Apple's Board of Directors), I'm sure Apple executives were well aware of Google's plans, in quite a lot of detail.

And if Android is a success, then Apple can provide a version for the iPhone. That's a big "if," however.

And while people "are going to write good software for Android"... people are also going to write bad software for it. And even horrible and embarassing and dangerous software for it. That's the curse of an open environment -- while it's a good thing, in the long run, its also a pretty bad thing 90% of the time.

Both Android and the iPhone are different approaches to the problem, and I am glad both exist.

Make Air Cheaper (2, Insightful)

Nomen Publicus (1150725) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623924)

If the Air was half the price, they would sell shed loads. It's the kind of device that Apple might expect to sell two or three to a household. But at the current price, there may not be much demand.

Truth hurts, don't it? (1)

binaryspiral (784263) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623926)

So, Woz is just speaking his mind. Freethinkers get to do that once in a while... at least in this day and age, they don't burn you at the stake like a witch. Well, at least not literally - that's what the slashdot comment threads are for.

I agree with him... Air is just hot air, and the iPhone without 3G data connectivity is reprehensible.

Good Thing Woz Doesn't Post to Slashdot (2, Insightful)

STrinity (723872) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623958)

He'd be modded troll and flamebait for daring to impugn Apple's quality.

Woz: Always the engineer (2, Insightful)

DrDitto (962751) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623984)

Woz thinks like an engineer. The majority of cellphone users don't know what 3G is and they don't care. What they do care about is a sexy, easy-to-use device that lets them easily play music, browse the web, make phone calls, and more. Other cellphones can also do this, but none is as sexy and easy-to-use as the iPhone.

Seemingly, Apple is now doomed. (1)

cthellis (733202) | more than 6 years ago | (#22623990)

Doooooooooooooooooooooooooomed!!

;-)

I like Woz, and it's unfortunate that some folk are going to pounce on his every statement to make some gratuitously negative acticle about Apple/Jobs, but life will go on.

Re:Seemingly, Apple is now doomed. (1)

cthellis (733202) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624424)

He doesn't seem to be analyzing this like an engineer, though, does he? "...and I knew it would be a speed detriment" is a pretty useless statement without analyzing the speed of the primary tasks themselves (web browsing specifically, common file transfers secondarily) and how they compare. (Not that the iPhone couldn't itself be faster and better by having it, but if it's not a detriment compared to other phones on the market, then it's not a huge complaint point, since other negative factors might come into play as a result of it.)

Similarly, "I get as much life on my 3G phones as I get on my non-3G phones" makes almost no real analysis, since "3G phones" and "non-3G phones" alike tend to aim for a common acceptable battery lifespan, and the non-3G models know they can save on battery size, cost, and any other considerations to get the same acceptable lifespan. It's pretty natural that they WOULD be getting similar lifespans. The real questions are "how do exactly the same model phones with exactly the same battery compare, when looking at their 3G and non-3G models?" (or exactly the same phone, if 3G can be fully disabled), and "what does the network map look like for the average customer?" since he could live in an extremely well-covered area. 3G phones seem to blow a lot of power and really hurt standby time by constantly sensing and switching between 3G and non-3G networks, even when not performing any tasks that really benefit. I would LOVE to be able to turn off 3G on my simple cell phone, simply because I don't care, I benefit from the speed--minorly--about 0.5% of the time, and--well--it'd certainly be nice to do to test if nothing else. Everyone's residence and workplace is different, their commute is different, their coverage area is different, and the "rigors" their phones will be put through on their networks will be different.

Good Morning, Slashdot! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22624110)

Have you read your SICP today?

Bathroom Humor (1, Funny)

webword (82711) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624156)

"Woz Takes Dump on iPhone" would have been much more funny as a subject line.

It's funny (1)

edwardpickman (965122) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624270)

Apple gets heat because their products lack a few features that people want where as Microsoft releases two dogs, Vista and the new Office, and they largely get a pass. Yes there's some complaints but nothing like the venom Apple gets. The primary argument seems, "yes they're cool but they could be cooler so Apple sucks". Bizarre logic. The three biggest complaints on iPhone have been it's bundled to AT&T, no SDK at launch and no 3G. Well they addressed the SDK in under nine months which is reasonable, not sure on the 3G or unbundling but remember AT&T was the only one that would deal. They were releasing a very expensive product so they had to release it a bit differently than the other phones. A lot of people are blasting Macbook Air because gee there's a PC version that is thicker, heavier and a lot more expensive that has more features. Ah, dah, that shouldn't even require a response. Apple TV? Well name one system of that type that has succeeded? Microsoft isn't exactly burning up the market with their attempts either. It seems to be a device that no one has ever launched a decent product so it's hard to single them out. At least they are trying and no one is making you buy one. The biggest complaints seem to be people are frustrated because they WANT to buy the products but there are specific features they want and they're pissed Apple doesn't have them yet. Name one product that peaked at launch? Over all they release usable innovative products that have driven the market in new directions. If they piss you off don't buy them. I'm not an Apple or PC guy I'm a heretic but I have to say Apple hardware is sweet on average. It's more expensive but here's a 411, it always has been. There have been some defects but in general they release quality hardware. If there's a product that more suits your needs buy it. Some how I think Apple will soldier on. Set aside all religious preferences, which is more likely to release an innovative OS or product next, Apple or Microsoft? I'm waiting on the next gen iPhones but I'll probably grab a Touch soon. Macbook Air? I've got no interest because all I care about is power and if it has to weigh 20lbs I'll deal but I'm not their target audience and neither are devoted PC users. Apple TV? Not interested and I never was. Not all products will suit everyone. At least give them some credit for trying to break the mold. I can't stand Crackberries and most buttoned smart phones are just as bad to me. I'd have to find some one 18" tall to text for me. I have big fingers and don't even like Mac keyboards so I'd rather go with an iPhone where I have a fighting chance.

Air Sold Out (3, Interesting)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624302)

Although I saw several MacBook Air's at the local Apple store in my relatively (1M by the Census) small town, I also saw reports of it being intermittently being sold out in the larger markets. Hard not to call that a hit, unless they only built 5 of them.

Dear Woz (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22624320)

F*ck you Loser

Steve

Woz knees Mac (1)

Teflon_Jeff (1221290) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624322)

So, Wozniak tells it like it is, that Jobs has made some bad choices, and the world explodes?

Look, there are a few things that Apple should have done better (3G comes to mind, IM as well) but it's not Treason. If you want sycophantic yes men, go visit MS circa 1999.

Don't like the iphone? Too bad, I do. (1)

entrex (580367) | more than 6 years ago | (#22624518)

People who rip on the iphone's lack of 3G make me laugh. We didn't buy the iphone for high speed internet, we bought it for the UI. I've owned several Windows Mobile 2005/2006 phone, my latest being a HTC Wizard and I hated them all. Windows Mobile is horriable. It freezes, it crashes it's the worst phone OS I've ever seen in my life. I've actually switched back to non-smartphones for a few weeks during my ownership of them because I just couldn't take the BS anymore. Who wants a phone that freezes when you go to answer a call? Or how about a phone that needs to be rebooted once a day? Not me. Thats why I bought an iphone.
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