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Domains Blocked By US Treasury 'Blacklist'

Zonk posted more than 6 years ago | from the us-law-is-international-law-now dept.

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yuna49 writes "Adam Liptak of the New York Times reports today about the plight of a Spanish tour operator whose domain names have been embargoed by his domain name registrar (eNom). They pulled his domains after they discovered the tour operator's name on a US Treasury blacklist. It turns out he packages tours to Cuba largely for European tourists who can legally travel there, unlike Americans. The article cites 'a press release issued in December 2004, almost three years before eNom acted. It said Mr. Marshall's company had helped Americans evade restrictions on travel to Cuba and was "a generator of resources that the Cuban regime uses to oppress its people." It added that American companies must not only stop doing business with the company but also freeze its assets, meaning that eNom did exactly what it was legally required to do.' The only part of the operator's business in the United States is his domain name registration; all other aspects of his business lie outside the United States."

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So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... (5, Insightful)

Wandering Wombat (531833) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644026)

... are breaking the law if they go there?

*gets out his eraser and starts removing that "Land Of The Free" line from all the songbooks...*

Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... (5, Funny)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644074)

*gets out his eraser and starts removing that "Land Of The Free" line from all the songbooks...*

Sorry, that's also illegal.

j/k ;)

Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... (3, Funny)

Wandering Wombat (531833) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644076)

Damn you, PATRIOT ACT! Got me every way I turn!

Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... (3, Funny)

Brian Gordon (987471) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644410)

It's called an embargo, not censorship. And it's what's necessary and just to put pressure on Cuba to stop being a vicious dictatorship and actually respect its citizens' human rights. I'm not being sarcastic.

Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... (5, Insightful)

Wandering Wombat (531833) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644430)

Nope... you're being genuinely, unambiguously uneducated. But not sarcastic.

Cuba trades with Canada, Europe, Cuba, Venezuela, Brazil... but an AMERICAN embargo will force them to change. Yeah. That's working well, after four decades of communism, tourism, cheap gas, and free technology.

Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... (1)

Wandering Wombat (531833) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644512)

NOTE: Er, typo above. Cuba trades with CHINA, not Cuba.

Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... (0)

Brian Gordon (987471) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644664)

So we're the only ones doing what's right?

Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... (5, Insightful)

Ardeaem (625311) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644724)

Give one example of an embargo working. You can't - they only end up hurting innocent people and isolating countries so change is slower.

Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... (5, Insightful)

alx5000 (896642) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644532)

Yes, I see how the US is putting pressure on all the African countries with which they trade weapons, diamonds and oil...

Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22644690)

A truly democratic,just country would try and kill the leaders of cuba. It's the only reasonable course of action.

Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... (5, Insightful)

hondo77 (324058) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644708)

No, it's called bullying. We bully Cuba because we can (and it appeases people in a state with a lot of electoral votes). We let China get away with human rights abuses because they're too big to bully. Wake up.

Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... (4, Insightful)

webmaster404 (1148909) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644716)

So which works better? Closing a country off from (what was once) the most free country in the world, or flooding the streets with American tourists who will tell the people about life in a free state. I think the latter would work much better, because it would be like if you grew up in say a prison cell you wouldn't know what life was like on the other side, however if you get thrown in prison its much worse and you want to get out of it. Believe it or not I am sure there are more Cubans who could change the government then government officials to keep it the way it is.

Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22644288)

Yep! Served them good, now they will learn! We shouldn't do any business with any muthafuckin' oppressive regime! We should do it with China!

Re: "Land Of The Free" (1)

quenda (644621) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644392)

Didn't you get the memo?

Its now "Land of the Incarcerated" .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisons_in_the_United_States [wikipedia.org]

Re: "Land Of The Free" (4, Funny)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644492)

Prisons? Aren't those a French invention?

I thought we were calling them "Freedom Houses" now.

Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... (0, Troll)

Degreeless (1250850) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644090)

Don't forget they're also helping generate funds for an evil, damsel kidnapping, moustache twirling dictatorship!

Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... (3, Funny)

Wandering Wombat (531833) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644214)

Bush doesn't have a moustache...

Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... (3, Funny)

Degreeless (1250850) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644302)

Not in public perhaps but look carefully at some of his interviews and you will see detachable whiskers and a diabolical monocle in the breast pocket of his jacket at all times!

Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... (1)

Wandering Wombat (531833) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644336)

Fiendish!

Where does he keep his Mr Bigglesworth?

Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... (2, Funny)

peragrin (659227) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644354)

have you seen pictures of his wife?

ever wonder why his daughters were always getting drunk?

they know the truth.

Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... (5, Funny)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644340)

You know, you never see Bush and Castro in the same picture ... like Clark Kent and Superman ...

... except that Castro wasn't a coward who had daddy pull strings for him, isn't a drunken coke-head, etc.

You know, you never see Cheney and Castro in the same picture ... like ... nah - if Castro pointed a gun at your head and pulled the trigger, drunk or not, you'd be dead ...

You know, you never see Condaleeza Rice and Castro in the same picture ...

Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... (1)

nuzak (959558) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644698)

Sorry, but those accoutrements are reserved for evil geniuses.

Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... (1)

Vinegar Joe (998110) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644144)

They can move there and stay. No loss to anyone.

Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... (4, Funny)

Kingrames (858416) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644272)

If the country really were in that state, it would be illegal to point out the hypocrisy of the administration.

or even to use all of those words in the same sentencAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaa

What do you expect from ENOM (4, Interesting)

dindi (78034) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644598)

Enom are the people who took over registerfly's expired domains (expired because you had no means renewing them), and then tried to get a $200 extortion fee for your domain to give it back to you.

So what do you expect from companies like that? I would personally open an international lawsuit against them, and there is absolutely no way Enom can win that.

Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... (1)

STrinity (723872) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644618)

Thanks to those notorious neocons Jack Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson.

And yet... (5, Insightful)

gillbates (106458) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644032)

How many here would decry the Chinese and assorted third world countries for censorship of the internet, and yet, here we (in the US) act no differently. It makes me wonder how many things we just don't see, because the DNS entry doesn't even show up.

Are we truly free? Or is that just an illusion?

Re:And yet... (2, Interesting)

KublaiKhan (522918) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644078)

Hey, I have no favoritism--I 'decry' censorship when we do it, too.

I even write to my representative in congress when I notice that it's being done, so y'can't say I'm not doing anything about it.

You're only as free as you want to take the effort to be.

Re:And yet... (1)

McGiraf (196030) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644152)

"Are we truly free? Or is that just an illusion?"

no and no
it's not even an illusion

Wikileaks, now eNom... (5, Insightful)

MacDork (560499) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644196)

How many here would decry the Chinese and assorted third world countries for censorship of the internet, and yet, here we (in the US) act no differently.

It sounds as thought the great firewall of America will be installed sooner or later. Apparently all it would take is a judge and software that has already been developed, tested, and deployed by American companies in China. Not that it's anything new... we've been censoring the internet for more than a decade now in the name of copyright with the 1997 NET Act. It appears the nationalist crowd has modded you flamebait early... maybe some sane meta-mods will take care of that.

What domain name provider do we use now? (1)

Futurepower(R) (558542) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644306)

So what domain name provider do we use now? eNom is the provider used by my current reseller, NameCheap.com.

Re:What domain name provider do we use now? (1)

rubah (1197475) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644388)

Why, godaddy of course!

eNom is the REAL provider, others only re-sell. (1)

Futurepower(R) (558542) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644440)

I suggest that everyone check to see from whom your domain name provider buys your domains. eNom.com [enom.com] is the real provider for NameCheap [namecheap.com] , one of many who buy from eNom.com.

eNom has been competing with its re-sellers with eNomCentral.com [enomcentral.com] . Note that eNom is doing what GoDaddy does. In my opinion, GoDaddy tries to get more money by confusing people who have little technical knowledge.

I moved all my domains away from GoDaddy for many reasons [nodaddy.com] , not just those reasons given in a Slashdot story, to NameCheap.

I don't know any domain name reseller that is inexpensive, reliable, and honest.

wake up (2, Insightful)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644222)

Are we truly free? Or is that just an illusion?
the matrix has you

Re:And yet... (2, Insightful)

tjstork (137384) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644352)

How many here would decry the Chinese and assorted third world countries for censorship of the internet, and yet, here we (in the US) act no differently. It makes me wonder how many things we just don't see, because the DNS entry doesn't even show up.

In China, if you criticize the leaders of your country, you wind up either dead or in jail.

In the USA, if you criticize the leaders of your country, you wind up rich.

In China, there are no Koses, no Limbaughs, no Gores, no Moores, no one that criticizes the regime or calls for political change. In Iran, well, its illegal to even be jewish.

So yeah, there are differences....

Re:And yet... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22644594)

In Iran, well, its illegal to even be jewish.

In fact, Iran has the second largest [npr.org] Jewish population [jewishvirtuallibrary.org] in the Middle East. While I don't doubt that the Jewish population in Iran face substantial discrimination, I don't think you help anyone by hyperbole.

Re:And yet... (1)

OrangeTide (124937) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644694)

In Iran, well, its illegal to even be jewish.

Iran's Jewish community is officially recognized as a religious minority group by the government, and, like the Zoroastrians, they are allocated one seat in the Iranian Parliament. -- wikipedia


Even in the US we don't offer Jews their own representative seat.

Re:And yet... (4, Insightful)

techno-vampire (666512) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644364)

This has nothing to do with censorship. If he had registered his domain in Europe, there'd be no problem. Nobody would be trying to prevent people in America from viewing his site. Personally, I think it was stupid to embargo the domain, but let's not use the straw man of censorship to show our disapproval.

So why compare yourselves with China? (5, Insightful)

EmbeddedJanitor (597831) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644428)

You'd hope USA would compare itself with the top end of the freedom scale, and not the bottom.

http://www.freedomhouse.org/template.cfm?page=389&year=2007 USA 16th

But do you really expect people to think freely if they've been spouting the pledge of allegence since they were 5?

Re:So why compare yourselves with China? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22644662)

You'd hope USA would compare itself with the top end of the freedom scale, and not the bottom.

http://www.freedomhouse.org/template.cfm?page=389&year=2007 USA 16th

But do you really expect people to think freely if they've been spouting the pledge of allegence since they were 5?

The same thought strikes me too. People in the US think they're free and that people in China are not free. People in China also think they're free and that people in the US are not free.

For example, some people in China are convinced that no one in their right mind would vote for Bush and so either he was placed there, or there are few people 'in their right mind'.

Re:And yet... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22644446)

Are we truly free?

Move self from chair. Jump up. Set self on chair. Gravity says "no".

PS: In case gravity said "yes", don't worry, lack of atmospheric pressure will say "no".

Re:And yet... (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644460)

Well not exactly. The US has had an Embargo on trade with Cuba since... 1961 I think. That Embargo goes as far as to punish ANY company that business with Cuba. This is so not new or even unexpected. If you want to blame anybody blame JFK.

Get a .eu (2, Insightful)

Marcion (876801) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644042)

They are mostly free too because no one has bought them. But perhaps useful in this case,

Looks like there's some merit (5, Insightful)

KublaiKhan (522918) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644050)

...to the EU's argument that censorship restricts free trade. This looks to be a fairly clear example where censorship caused direct economic difficulties.

Re:Looks like there's some merit (2, Insightful)

moderatorrater (1095745) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644608)

With all due respect, it's not censorship, it's a freezing of assets to help an embargo. From dictionary.com, a censor is:

A person authorized to examine books, films, or other material and to remove or suppress what is considered morally, politically, or otherwise objectionable
Censorship being what a censor does. Notice they didn't do anything to his actual site; they seized the domain that he was using which is purchased and maintained in the US. It's a reasonable assertion to say that a domain name is property (maybe rented property) that can be seized by a government official.

Anyone doing business with Cuba knows about the embargo; it's possible he didn't realize that his registrar was an american company and that his domain could be seized, but that's not going to keep the law from going into effect.

Re:Looks like there's some merit (2, Insightful)

ubernostrum (219442) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644688)

To be fair, EU nations are also known to have laws censoring things their governments are uneasy about; see, for example, prosecutions of online auction sites by France and Germany, on grounds that those sites did not comply with laws banning the sale of Nazi memorabilia.

Bullshit (4, Insightful)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644052)

Of course it's bullshit. But what is eNom to do? They are in the same spot as any other American company. What we should be doing electing politicians that have the sanity to ignore the screeching Cuban expats in Miami, and scrap the embargo, which if anything only keeps the Castro Brothers in power.

But, this travel company has learned another lesson: Don't buy domains from eNom, they suck in so many ways....

Re:Bullshit (4, Insightful)

couchslug (175151) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644124)

The "screeching Cuban expats" are American VOTERS. Democracy works this way.

Want a different policy? Organize like-minded people to VOTE appropriately.

Re:Bullshit (-1, Troll)

IndustrialComplex (975015) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644488)

I find it interesting that you were modded 'troll'. Especially considering that most of the people in this thread are concerned about censorship. It is sad that on slashdot you get modded 'troll' for exposing what was an ad-hominem attack.

Re:Bullshit (-1, Offtopic)

techno-vampire (666512) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644640)

Face it: all too many of the moderators here use Troll, Flamebait, Offtopic and Redundant to censor posts they disagree with. I meta-mod at least once a day, and always mark things like that Unfair.

Re:Bullshit (5, Insightful)

arivanov (12034) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644190)

Exactly. The only reason for the Castro brothers to outlive the fall of the iron curtain is the embargo. If the USA lifted the embargo in 1990 Cuba would have been a democracy by now. It would have taken a few million pounds transfers to "opposition" to make that happen like in Eastern Europe, but there would have been a result none the less. The embargo is the main reason why this has never happened and may never happen.

IMO, we have missed the boat there. With people like Chavez waving suitcases of cash placing a few millions here and there is no longer effective. He can simply outbid the "West" and keep the Castro regime alive for a very long time.

Re:Bullshit (5, Interesting)

RenderSeven (938535) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644500)

Exactly. The only reason for the Castro brothers to outlive the fall of the iron curtain is the embargo.
Maybe. An interesting thing I picked up traveling the Caribbean and talking to a lot of natives is how they want Cuba to stay on the embargo list. The last thing, say, Aruba wants is a huge island paradise thats almost within walking distance of Miami. Especially with airline fuel costing what it does. If Cuba were open again, tourism throughout the rest of the islands, and Mexico and Central America would take a huge hit. And that loss of income is politically destabilizing as well. There's more at work here than sheer stupidity.

A generator of resources that the Cuban regime... (4, Interesting)

The Ultimate Fartkno (756456) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644056)

...uses to oppress its people?

You mean things like providing a never ending stream of very real examples of how America wants to meddle in internal Cuban affairs, thereby providing an instant excuse to play the nationalist "they want to topple your government from Washington! Ignore the abuses you know about and rally together as a nation to resist them as a people!" card?

This is very disturbing (5, Insightful)

spleen_blender (949762) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644066)

I mean, this has me chilled to the bone. Ignoring the ridiculousness that in a "free" country we have "travel restrictions", the fact that they can legally perform such blocking with little or no recourse alone has me shaking.

I fear we are too trustworthy in the robustness of the internet and I'm even more afraid of the day if the powers at large decide the bring the hammer down. I don't think net neutrality legislation would be effective against a determined oppressor, it only takes a few dragging anchors for them to tear through a few laws.

Re:This is very disturbing (2, Insightful)

spleen_blender (949762) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644120)

Alt: Thank goodness the economy can't survive without the internet anymore or else I would be hiding under my sheets. So at least for economic interests, some manner where worldwide instant communication will always be available. Thank goodness even moreso for encryption and darknets.

Re:This is very disturbing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22644146)

The USA's foriegn policy has been very disturbing for decades. Welcome to the rest of the world, America.

Re:This is very disturbing (2)

CodeBuster (516420) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644450)

Now you understand what we supporters of the second amendment have being saying all along. It is right and indeed patriotic for the citizens to question and even to mistrust the government, our founders certainly did. In an age where elections can be stolen and the constitution is ignored we are falling ever farther away from the principles upon which this nation was founded. Hopefully we will find a way to slow and reverse our descent into tyranny, but I tell you that there are times when the situation appears grim.

Re:This is very disturbing (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644494)

Well I hate to have to tell you this but this restriction is no less than 40 years old. As I have said before if you want to blame somebody it can be dropped right in the lab of the Kennedy's JFK and his brother. Of course that isn't a popular thing to say but it is the truth.

Pay Attention (2, Interesting)

Naughty Bob (1004174) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644070)

All those who happily denounce the (despicable) proposed actions of Iran in censoring the 'net during their elections take note- The world takes its lead from the US, and the US is not currently living up to this responsibility (though many of its citizens kick ass in many ways).

Please Americans, I love lots of what you stand for, now kill off the right-wing cancer that eats at your nation's heart.

Watch our presidential election... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22644310)

We're trying. If you've noticed our nominees, the country has swung pretty hard to the left thanks to the mess Bush made of things.

Unfortunately, change requires a lot more than just one person so I don't know how much things will actually change, but it's so refreshing to hear someone candidates like Obama who are disgusted by all the pandering to terror they're using in order to get votes.

Agreed (2, Interesting)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644448)

Hopefully, today, Obama will win the Dem's vote. But to be honest, I do not think that McCain or even Clinton will be that bad. None of them are neo-cons. The odd thing is that all talk about our diminished reputation in the world while also speaking about our deficits. All 3 have experience beyond our shores. I think that all 3 will work to rebuild our relationships while solving some major issues (in particular, china).

The interesting issue is all 3's money handling. I noted that after Super Tuesday, McCain and Clinton had run out of money and really had no plans in place. OTH, Obama had a great deal less money than either of these, and he was not only not out of money, but had a plan for afterwards. It says a lot about the man vs. the other 2.

Re:Pay Attention (1)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644524)

Please Americans, I love lots of what you stand for, now kill off the right-wing cancer that eats at your nation's heart.


Read your subject again, and then go do it.

When you've finished you can figure out what's wrong with your post. Hint: "right-wing" and "cuban embargo" are not really things that can be associated. It was started under one of our farthest left leaning administrations, and the most recent law upholding the embargo was signed into law by the previous democratic president, not the current administration. It is widely supported by politicians on both sides which want to pander to particular constituencies.

Re:Pay Attention (4, Insightful)

Naughty Bob (1004174) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644624)

That which passes for 'left wing' in the US is to the far right by the rest of humanity's standards. Try again, this time with perspective.

irony (4, Insightful)

wizardforce (1005805) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644084)

It said Mr. Marshall's company had helped Americans evade restrictions on travel to Cuba and was 'a generator of resources that the Cuban regime uses to oppress its people.'
I don't think they fully appreciate the irony of that statement. trying to stop funds from tourism being used to oppress cuba by restricting the travel of americans and censoring anyone remotely connected to the USA.

hypocrisy (1)

gnutoo (1154137) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644332)

Why dick around touring Cuba when you could go to China? Everythings bigger and badder there. China is positively booming with US trade, so it should be more fun to visit - especially if you have a lot of money like Bill Gates. Shoot, what's Cuba got? Biomed, underperforming sugar cane and orchards, fishing and PBS backed artists? China's got toxic PC production and "recycling", every good geek's dream vacation. If you look up WHO health statistics, you will see that Cuba has edged the US out of several categories and China is at the bottom where statistics can be collected. Healthy is the opposite of fun, so you have the obvious ranking China, US, Cuba. Why go to such a boring old place?

What's more, you have to have respect for China. They have got nukes out the yin-yang and submarines that can deliver them when they don't sink. They are all into African and Mid East oil and are becoming a real economic and military force. Cuba? Ha! It's been thirty years since they could field a good army in Angola. The Soviets were never very good to them and now that sugar daddy is gone. Poor old Raul would have a hard time fighting his way out of a paper bag.

Given all of that, who would you rather give your money to? That's what I thought any good American would say.

It's a good thing the US Treasury department is helping US Citizens do the right thing. Thanks George, don't let that pesky first amendment get in the way of your fight against real tyranny. Every dollar spent by bleeding liberals in Cuba is one dollar less that won't be able to make its way through Walmart to China.

Obama wins in landslide (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22644094)

Obama wins in landslide Rhode Island. He loses by as much as he won there in Texas, Ohio, and Vermont. Clinton claims presidency at hand. Then Hilary told Bill he's not running, she is.

easy enough to fix (3, Insightful)

petes_PoV (912422) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644106)

Just go with a non-american ISP/domain name reistrar. It's not as if the US rules the planet, there are plenty of ways to continue working without their say-so or approval. Just move to a free locationa and continue with your legitimate business.

Re:easy enough to fix (3, Insightful)

corsec67 (627446) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644228)

It's not as if the US rules the planet, there are plenty of ways to continue working without their say-so or approval. Just move to a free locationa and continue with your legitimate business.


Bush and congress are trying to fix that. Welcome to Amerika; lets us make a copy of the data on your laptop, show us your papers, and watch what you say outside of a free-speech zone.

Re:easy enough to fix (1)

WolfTheWerewolf (84066) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644368)

...and watch what you say outside of a free-speech zone.
Shhhhh! Don't let them know we still have free-speech zones!

Re:easy enough to fix (1)

woot (70857) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644324)

To quote the article, "[either] way, there is no dispute that eNom shut down Mr. Marshall's sites without notifying him and has refused to release the domain names to him." He's unable to use another registrar for the affected domains as, for some reason, eNom have placed a lock on them.

Perhaps he can re-register them when they expire? The article doesn't specify if the lock is to be permanently kept on the domain names.

Use a european registrar (3, Insightful)

sjwest (948274) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644148)

No issues then, any european who trades with an american firm is asking for problems.

Where are all the good men? (1)

overbaud (964858) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644192)

This is not the internet that Al Gore had in mind when he invented it!

With great power.. (5, Insightful)

RenHoek (101570) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644234)

Undoubtably I'll be modded down to flamebait, but as a non-US citizen I get pretty tired of the US trying to be the 'policeman of the world' and at the same time pull these underhanded tricks.

Another example [guardian.co.uk] I came upon today is how the White House was planning to overthrow the democratically chosen Hamas party, because it didn't stroke with their plans.

What happened with "With great power comes great responsibility"? The US is just acting as the schoolyard bully.

Note that I understand that "The US" != "all US citizens", but please, you're the only ones that can do something about this. So please do so.

Re:With great power.. (1)

Stanislav_J (947290) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644292)

Undoubtably I'll be modded down to flamebait, but as a non-US citizen I get pretty tired of the US trying to be the 'policeman of the world' and at the same time pull these underhanded tricks.

I am 100% American, and I also agree with you 100%. I'm mod you up if I had any mod points.

Another example I came upon today is how the White House was planning to overthrow the democratically chosen Hamas party, because it didn't stroke with their plans.

Well, of course they have to -- after all, that Allende guy is a communist. (Oh, wait....wrong coup...my error...)

Re:With great power.. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22644464)

>overthrow Hamas

So you object to a government standing against terrorists?

Re:With great power.. (0, Flamebait)

Deadbolt (102078) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644676)

They're not "terrorists" anymore if they're the legitimately chosen democratic government of a body of people. They're a government that we don't happen to like very much, similar to North Korea or Iran.

Now instead of childishly insisting that they're Terrorists and therefore not worth acknowledging, it might be smart to admit their legitimacy in the eyes of their own people and find some way to coexist without killing each other. Of course, that would make you look weak to the ignorant rednecks you gin up for your elections, so can't have that.

You have to love our freedoms (4, Insightful)

Cracked Pottery (947450) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644240)

We can trade out the ass with Red China, and cozy up to Uzbekistan, but Cuba, no es posible. Why? Because Cubans who fled Cuba after the revolution because they wanted their comfort and money more than they wanted to stay and fight, now control a lot more political power in America than they should. We can ask if Cuba really has it that bad. Its major export is educated people. Doctors, mostly. Can we acknowledge that maybe individual greed doesn't steer everything in the right direction all the time? Sure Cuba has poor folks. Do we care about poor folks in Cuba more than we care about the Americans that were left stranded in New Orleans after Katrina for political reasons? Not this year. The US has more people in prison than any other country in the world. Yes, and that is not by percentage. Cut the bullshit, we need to get over our sense of exceptionalism.

Re:You have to love our freedoms (2, Interesting)

gujo-odori (473191) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644518)

Why? Because the Castro government confiscated (read "stole") all property in Cuba that was owned by US private citizens and corporations and has not to this day compensated them for their losses. When the Cuban government wants to talk about compensation, we can also talk about normalization of relations. The situation with Cuba has more to do with that than it does with the disproportionate political power of Cuban-Americans in Florida.

Cf. the number of Vietnamese living in the United States and their level of affluence and growing political influence (a community with which I am very familiar; my wife, as well as most of our friends and relatives, are Vietnamese), yet we have full diplomatic relations with Viet Nam. The difference? Viet Nam has not only returned confiscated property (the former US Embassy in Saigon is now the US Consulate General building there), but has been very helpful in locating the remains of US military personnel lost during the war and not recovered at the time. Cuba has done nothing to try to improve relations with the United States, and in fact has resorted to things such as dumping the Marielitos on us. The Cuban government has completely brought its situation vis-a-vis the United States on itself, period.

When the Cubans want to come to the table and talk, starting with compensation issues, I'm sure they'll be welcomed, the Cuban-American lobby notwithstanding. When will they be ready to? Not until sometime after Fidel's grave - and probably his brother's as well - has grown quite cold. They have too much baggage for it to happen before that.

Re:You have to love our freedoms (4, Insightful)

Deadbolt (102078) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644714)

Another difference that you fail to mention is that we (the US) have been meddling in Cuba's affairs for damn near 100 years, including dozens of documented attempts to assassinate their head of state. For some reason, Cubans find this behavior objectionable, and the idea of seized assets dating before most of them were born being the justification for this conduct is laughable.

God knows I'm not saying the Castros are happy little fuzzy angels who never did no wrong, but it's indisputable that they're a damn sight better than some of the thugs we happily deal with in the rest of the world. It's ridiculous and childish to blame everything on them, but it plays well in certain areas of south Florida which hold disproportionate power come election time.

Re:You have to love our freedoms (1)

damista (1020989) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644616)

The big difference is: Cuba doesn't have nukes. Do you think the US would snuggle up to China if they wouldn't have nukes? The US know they can't really apply any real pressure on China. They could have in the 60s through to the late 80s but that time they were too busy with the USSR and by now, thanks to globalisation, they're economically dependent on China, so economic or political pressure doesn't work and thanks to the nukes, there's no chance for military pressure either. As the saying goes: If you can't beat them, join them. Uzbekistan has "inherited" some nukes from the USSR and as a fairly "unstable" nation, it's best to make friends with them. Especially because of the country's muslim population it is important to befriend them to avoind nukes falling into the hands of fanatics.

Cuba has no means of defending itself against any step the US take. That makes them the ideal target. But nobody expected Castro's stamina in that matter. He's conviced that his way is the right one and nothing can change his mind. Not even a US embargo. Besides that, if the US were really interested in the oppressed cuban people, they wouldn't have the embargo to start with. The embargo doesn't really make things better for the people does it?

There's a lesson in here somewhere (4, Interesting)

toby (759) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644242)

1. Don't have anything to do with the USA.

Non-Americans already have to do ridiculous things like obtain visas to just to make a flight connection in the US. Soon we're not even allowed to overfly the US. That's fun if, like me, you live in Canada.

To hell with them.

Re:There's a lesson in here somewhere (1)

jmv (93421) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644542)

Yes, that's great for the Canadian economy, and a reason why Vancouver airport has attracted a lot more passengers recently. Haven't seen any numbers on that, but I wouldn't be surprised if the number of highly skilled people coming to Canada (instead of the US) had also increased recently.

Re:There's a lesson in here somewhere (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22644590)

Non-Americans already have to do ridiculous things like obtain visas to just to make a flight connection in the US.

Lots of countries require transit visas. Nothing unusual about that.

Soon we're not even allowed to overfly the US. That's fun if, like me, you live in Canada.

Of course you can overfly the US. But, it's US airspace, so their rules apply. Every sovereign nation has the right to control its airspace. Don't like it? Go around. Do you think American airlines can overfly Iran?

stupid and useless (1)

FudRucker (866063) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644260)

any US citizen that wanted to vacation in Cuba could easily go to Mexico (maybe Canada too) and i am sure there are travel agencies that could get you to Cuba cheaper than flying to the EU...

Re:stupid and useless (1)

wizardforce (1005805) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644378)

stupid and useless doesn't stop them from trying to enforce this anyway. it's probably more important to make it appear that any and all attempts to circumvent this embargo will not be tolerated, never mind if it fails miserably, it's all theater anyway.

Re:stupid and useless (1)

The Analog Kid (565327) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644468)

You still can be prosecuted by the US government upon your return from your vacation if you're caught.

Sheesh, it's almost like... (0, Troll)

religious freak (1005821) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644276)

It's almost like we're kind of pissed at the Castro family for encouraging the Soviet Union to launch those nuclear missiles he had on his island. And maybe we'll even encourage friends and allies for being pissed at them too. And maybe, just maybe the companies that do business with Cuba are not welcome on our DNS servers.

You know, because of that whole trying to murder tens of millions of us and all.

Yes, -1 Not conforming with majority opinion

Re:Sheesh, it's almost like... (1)

Spasemunki (63473) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644642)

Castro sucks and all, but still being miffed over the Cuban missile crisis is a pretty terrible reason for maintaining a particular foreign policy. The embargo continually pushes Cuba closer to US enemies (USSR, Hugo Chavez), while substantially reducing the quality of life for the average Cuban much more than it punishes the creeps at the top. Meanwhile, economic disengagement has removed any leverage that the United States might be able to exert on Cuba in order to encourage better behavior by the government. The question with the embargo is: who exactly is this helping? From what I can tell, the big beneficiaries have been the USSR and Venezuela. In exchange for slipping the Cubans just enough money and resources to keep their economy from grinding to a halt, they get (in Russia's case) a strategic foothold in the Western hemisphere, and a PR victory for propping up a regime that is an ongoing embarrassment for the United States.

Re:Sheesh, it's almost like... (5, Insightful)

vux984 (928602) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644672)

It's almost like we're kind of pissed at the Castro family for encouraging the Soviet Union to launch those nuclear missiles he had on his island.

Yes, its almost like we're immature children who spitefully cling to their hatred long after the conflict is over and everyone else has grown up and gotten over it.

Hell, we've even made peace with the country that actually designed, built, and deployed the missles to cuba. You know, the country that actually owned them and put them their with the express purpose of creating a threat? The country that the 'cold war' was actually with? We made peace with them. But apparently our rage for a dying old man whose island they were on... for him... our hatred is boundless.

Grow up aready.

Yes, -1 Not conforming with majority opinion

No. -1 for being an immature and childish country.

You know, because of that whole trying to murder tens of millions of us and all.

You might want to check your history. The Soviets put missiles in Cuba in response to the fact that the USA put missiles in Turkey. Not that it stops their of course, the cold war was a series of moves and responses, but the point remains... Castro was a PAWN in a much bigger game of chess [er... global thermonuclear war] and his role and personal relevance was laughably minor.

That's OK, I block all ".us" resolving IPs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22644328)

My firewall blocks all IPs that reverse resolve to .US names.
Although, not many, this is my small protest against the democratic police state of the USA

Before everyone starts going crazy... (4, Informative)

Swift Kick (240510) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644360)

... do you realize that these restrictions have been in place since 1962 [wikipedia.org] because the Cuban government expropriated the property of U.S. citizens and corporations in Cuba?

Do you also realize that it was made law in 1992 under the title of Cuban Democracy Act [wikipedia.org] by U.S. Congressman Robert Torricelli (D) [wikipedia.org] ?

Once again, those who seem historically ignorant are quick to condemn the current administration for something that has (arguably) been in place for over 40 years...

Re:Before everyone starts going crazy... (1)

pla (258480) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644700)

do you realize that these restrictions have been in place since 1962

Do you realize (and the FP even says as much) that this involves a NON-AMERICAN company denied access to its own name because of a dick-waving contest that Kennedy lost (by default) almost 40 years ago?


Once again, those who seem historically ignorant

...As opposed to the geographically ignorant (unless we've "brought democracy" to Spain in the past few hours and I missed the announcement...)?

To view the blacklisted sites in the US (1)

Ambiguous Puzuma (1134017) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644396)

Most of you can figure this out yourselves, I'm sure, but just in case, here's one way:

$ whois cuba-hemingway.com
[...]
Name Servers:
      ns1.digitalpanorama.net
      ns2.digitalpanorama.net
[...]
$ nslookup www.cuba-hemingway.com ns1.digitalpanorama.net
Server: ns1.digitalpanorama.net
Address: 24.244.141.113#53

www.cuba-hemingway.com canonical name = cuba-hemingway.com.
Name: cuba-hemingway.com
Address: 24.244.141.117

$ sudo sh -c "echo 24.244.141.117 www.cuba-hemingway.com >> /etc/hosts"

Repeat for each domain.

How about blocking Saudi travel firms (5, Informative)

MrSteveSD (801820) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644418)

The article says...

...a generator of resources that the Cuban regime uses to oppress its people


Well what about the billions in military aid given to Saudi Arabia, one of the most oppressive regimes in the world?. Cuba is Disney Land compared to Saudi Arabia. What about all that money going towards oppressing the Saudi people? Imagine some big democracy movement started in Saudi Arabia and tried to overthrow the dictatorship. The Saudi government would no doubt use all the weapons we have been selling them against their own people.

US policy toward Cuba is not about the dictatorship. The US has supported and created many dictatorships in that part of the world. The US policy towards Cuba is based on anger over losing control of the country. It's like Britain banning citizens from travelling to the US because the US had the cheek to declare independence.

The fact there is a US base in an 'enemy' country is a little clue as to how Cuba has been treated in the past. Don't expect the mainstream media to talk about it though. The US occupied Cuba after independence from Spain and refused to leave unless the Cubans agreed to a list of items (the Platt Amendment). Among that rather imperialistic list of requirements was a permanent military base at Guantanamo bay.

Of course if Castro had been a business friendly right-wing dictator, it could have been a smooth transition from Batista's rule. You wouldn't be hearing the US making big noises about the lack of democracy at all.

Re:How about blocking Saudi travel firms (1)

Jherek Carnelian (831679) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644558)

Well what about the billions in military aid given to Saudi Arabia, one of the most oppressive regimes in the world?
I would be surprised if the USA gave any military aid to the Saudis.
Sold them equipment at exorbitant prices, yes, gave them aid, no.

what's the problem? (0)

superwiz (655733) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644600)

If the company operates exclusively in Europe, why is it using a .com extension? Isn't the idea that they are supposed to be using .eu? I am actually not clear on whether .com was meant for the us only commercial interests or for commercial interests that were international. But I am pretty sure that any interest that are limited to a specific territory that has a designated extension are supposed to be using that extension. Which, of course, begs the question, how the hell can allmp3.ru be breaking US law?

The underlying problem (5, Insightful)

rossz (67331) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644610)

This problem, like many others, can be fixed by one simple thing. FORCING OUR DAMN GOVERNMENT TO ABIDE BY THE CONSTITUTION.

Our Constitution is quite possibly the greatest piece of law ever written in the history of mankind. Unfortunately, the politicians (both democrats and republicans) have decided it can be ignored at will. We need to change this. We need to force every aspect of the government to operate under the full strength of our Constitution.

No more seizing property without due process.
No more stifling free speech just because it might offend somebody.
No more wiretaps of citizens and legal residents to fight terrorists without a court order signed by a REAL judge.
No more government agencies that aren't sanctioned by the Constitution (list to long to put here).

I am sicked by any politician who doesn't consider the Constitution the most sacred document in existence. Which means I'm sicked by ALL politicians.

Michael Moore (1)

ruinevil (852677) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644654)

It's all a plan by the Right to keep Michael Moore out of Cuba. Or at least people looking for cheap healthcare, or researching Cuba's health system. The health insurance lobbyists are very powerful in Washington. Even if we national health insurance, health insurance companies will probably administer the system, as they do now with Medicare, for large sums of money.

Anyways, I know but eNom probably means eName in some Romance language, but NOM NOM NOM NOM. Basically what happened to that guy's site.

Messing with DNS is the best you can do? (2, Insightful)

Sloppy (14984) | more than 6 years ago | (#22644704)

In light of this and the wikileaks thing, I think it's interesting that the best we can do to censor foreign websites, is mess with their DNS registrar. Long term, that is just not going to be a viable tactic. It's like wack-a-mole, except that after the first mole, the remaining moles are out of reach.

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