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Internet Explorer 8 Beta Features Revealed

Zonk posted more than 6 years ago | from the hey-there-new-browser dept.

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Admodieus writes "It seems as though the veil has been lifted on the Internet Explorer 8 beta. Microsoft has revealed a list of the new features in IE8, including two interesting new additions called Activities and WebSlices. From the site: 'Activities are contextual services to quickly access a service from any webpage. Users typically copy and paste from one webpage to another. Internet Explorer 8 Activities make this common pattern easier to do ... WebSlices is a new feature for websites to connect to their users by subscribing to content directly within a webpage. WebSlices behave just like feeds where clients can subscribe to get updates and notify the user of changes.' Also aboard the upgrade train is automatic crash recovery, a favorites toolbar, and improved phishing filter protection. Microsoft has also posted links to download the beta, but none of them are working right now."

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SVG (4, Insightful)

ccguy (1116865) | more than 6 years ago | (#22652392)

I'm sorry to see that there's no SVG support.

As for what _is_ there, well, most of the pages are broken, unavailable ("This project is not yet published"), so if the public documentation is any indication of the development status I'd say IE8 it pretty closed to the usual MS standard :-)

Re:SVG (4, Insightful)

pilgrim23 (716938) | more than 6 years ago | (#22652784)

This from a "user" not a developer:
I just this last week tried IE 7 for the very first time. As a user of IE 6, Opera, Firefox, Safari, and having used Every browser from lynx Cello and Mosaic up through the offerings of today, I am not unfamiliar with various browser styles, feel, ways of doing things. From my early experience with it, I can say that 7... to use a standard automobile analogy: The engineer is 5' 2". He designed the seat fixed in one position and not adjustable. The rearview mirror fixed in positon as well; Seat belt? forget it! He likes the parking brake in the back seat so that's how it is going to be.
Microsoft seems to have an irrepressible arrogance when it comes to design. They also seem to have a less then stellar competence in other areas. The former seems to be a fall back for lack ehibited in the later. IE 8 is from the same designers? No thank you

Re:SVG (1)

RiotingPacifist (1228016) | more than 6 years ago | (#22653114)

The screenshots in TFA show the tabs are now reduced to maybe a 3rd of your screen while even they arnt using the favorites bar!

Re:SVG (1)

MikeFM (12491) | more than 6 years ago | (#22652816)

SVG would be awesome but working CSS and Javascript would be enough to make me happy. Being on par with Firefox, Safari, and Opera is all IE needs to get off my hate list. I'm so tired of having to bust my ass to make sure everything I want to do works in IE.

Of course we still have to support IE6 and IE7 for probably another ten years. IE6 still makes up 25% of the traffic my websites get and IE7 makes up another 50%.

Re:SVG (1)

freaknl (1194831) | more than 6 years ago | (#22653498)

This seems to be the sad truth. A lot of large companies and institutions appear reluctant to finally bury Internet Explorer 6. I wish they would, it will save developers of (X)HTML projects so much time.

I understand that there are cases when dependencies of in-house software on the specific ways of Internet Explorer 6 hold back the inevitable upgrade, but sometimes I don't see why. For example, why would my university (Leiden University) still cling to this over five year old browser? Microsoft already pushed the updates, so why is IT keeping them back?

Re:SVG (4, Interesting)

smooth wombat (796938) | more than 6 years ago | (#22653630)

A lot of large companies and institutions appear reluctant to finally bury Internet Explorer 6.


It's not always that they don't want to get rid of IE6 but rather, they can't because of their own web pages which have been hacked to work in IE6 or, as in my case, have applications that use a web interface and won't work with IE7 (or anything else).

I wish the folks who I work for would allow more people to install FF but we're a Microsoft-only place and so installing FF, or any other unapproved software, is verboten. Except in the case of where I work which fortunately is somewhat lenient in this regard. So long as we keep it updated, no problems.

The last place I worked for (and left) has a zero-tolerance policy towards anything not Microsoft. Not too long after I left orders came down that anyone who had FF was to remove it. Immediately. Or else.

Re:SVG (3, Insightful)

masdog (794316) | more than 6 years ago | (#22653742)

I think you answered your own question before you even asked it. There is software out there that was designed to work with IE5.5 and IE6 that hasn't been updated to work with IE7 yet. I can see in-house projects as being one of those areas, but there are also large commercial systems that have been customized to meet the customer's needs that may not be able to apply IE7 compatibility patches without some sort of patch customization.

Just because Microsoft pushes an update doesn't mean that the update has been tested with end-user systems. That is IT's job, and if IT finds that the update breaks critical systems that the business depends on, they won't push the update out until it is fixed.

Re:SVG (3, Insightful)

Metaphorically (841874) | more than 6 years ago | (#22652828)

I have to say I'm not surprised but it's still a real bummer. They mention SVG (along with MathML & others) in the section on recognizing namespaces but they don't imply that they'll support it. It does sound like it could be possible to have a helper (Behaviour I think they called it) that could render inline SVG with the appropriate namespace in an XHTML document. I'm too far out of that loop to know for sure if that's a realistic possibility though.

I get the feeling that they're going down the path they have so many times before where there's one level of support for their version of something (in this case Silverlight) and a second-class level of support for "everybody else" (in this case SVG). So that if we do get some third-party to support SVG in IE via an approved MS mechanism, it'll be as an alternative to Silverlight.

Re:SVG (1)

jeff_schiller (877821) | more than 6 years ago | (#22653162)

The scenario they seem to be enabling for SVG is inline SVG with HTML content (not XHTML). This means that you can install the Adobe SVG Viewer [adobe.com] and have it render the inline SVG within the HTML page. Unfortunately it seems like there may be some implementation issues with it (possibly preventing the xlink namespace within the SVG). See the now-available whitepaper [microsoft.com] and the discussion here [intertwingly.net]

Re:SVG (2, Insightful)

Metaphorically (841874) | more than 6 years ago | (#22653358)

I think there has to be some other ISV (note the MS name for software vendors other than themselves) to come up with a new SVG binary behaviour to actually enable that kind of rendering. Adobe SVG viewer is pretty much abandoned last I heard. I don't know what motivation anyone would have to develop another plugin for IE that they basically would have no way of making any return off of. Then there's just the fact that people need a plugin that would further hold back any penetration compared to Silverlight.

So the situation as I see it is still pretty grim. There's a tiny window open but it's not enough to get anything through as far as I see it.

Re:SVG (3, Informative)

jeff_schiller (877821) | more than 6 years ago | (#22653462)

I also note that this namespace behavior change also allows inline XAML within HTML. How convenient for Microsoft. Renesis is an effort to develop a browser plugin for SVG. It's still not on par with ASV (only Opera and Batik really beat ASV's SVG support). Anyway, as with most plugins, the concept is to give away the plugin and sell the content-generation tools (SVG editor, etc). I'm still waiting to hear more from examotion [examotion.com] on Renesis... sometime in 1Q08 supposedly.

Re:SVG (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22653194)

You're missing the trick. Microsoft have effectively been put on notice over ECMA script 4. [mozilla.org] That's interesting don't you think?

With SVG, Microsoft can either support it themselves (eg: via SilverLight) or expose a business opportunity to their competitors (eg: Adobe). Which does history say is the most likely? IE9 -- with just enough SVG support to hinder the format until Microsoft have a patented alternative to ram down everyones throat.

Here we go again... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22653016)

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else if IE4 ....
else if IE5 ....
else if IE6 ....
else if IE7 ....
else if IE8
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Re:SVG (1)

Z34107 (925136) | more than 6 years ago | (#22653188)

I wonder why there are any broken links, but the links for the XP and Server 2003 x86 versions are working. I, with x64 Vista, will have to wait for Windows 7 in 2009 for anything resembling OS support >.<

Broken links in the summary (4, Funny)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 6 years ago | (#22652416)

You can download the latest browser from here: www.microsoft.com/IE8/download [mozilla.com]

Re:Broken links in the summary (1)

OrochimaruVoldemort (1248060) | more than 6 years ago | (#22652482)

you are funny, but seriously, did anyone think that microsoft was going to release a beta version of ie8 to anyone other than certified testers (common people)?

Re:Broken links in the summary (2, Interesting)

kellyb9 (954229) | more than 6 years ago | (#22653080)

but seriously, did anyone think that microsoft was going to release a beta version of ie8 to anyone other than certified testers (common people)?
Yes

Re:Broken links in the summary (2, Funny)

OrochimaruVoldemort (1248060) | more than 6 years ago | (#22653174)

*inhales crack* they did

Re:Broken links in the summary (1, Insightful)

jrothwell97 (968062) | more than 6 years ago | (#22653254)

you are funny, but seriously, did anyone think that microsoft was going to release a beta version of ie8 to anyone other than certified testers (common people)?
You must be new here.

Re:Broken links in the summary (1)

Z34107 (925136) | more than 6 years ago | (#22653422)

you are funny, but seriously, did anyone think that microsoft was going to release a beta version of ie8 to anyone other than certified testers (common people)?

They did, and they do. The x86 download links for Windows XP and Windows Sever 2003 are working as of the time of this post. IE7 Beta1 was closed (I got my copy from a developers conference), IE7 Beta2 was public registration IIRC, and IE7 Beta3 was public.

Looks like they're doing the same thing - the alpha versions are given to their closed-circle testers who can do meaningful debugging, later Beta versions are given to people at large.

Interestingly enough, back when they did the public betas of Vista, they only let people who filed bug reports using the included tool get a copy of the next beta/RTM. I wonder if they'll do the same thing for IE8, or if the next release will be the full-blown "critical update" release.

Hmmm ... (5, Interesting)

Der Einzige (1042022) | more than 6 years ago | (#22652422)

Those features sound suspiciously like Mac OS X's Services menu and Web Clip widget. Not that there's anything wrong with that ...

My first thought, too (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22652480)

I was like "So... like OS X and Safari?"

Re:Hmmm ... (1, Insightful)

jrothwell97 (968062) | more than 6 years ago | (#22653168)

Yep.

IE7 was a crap attempt to copy Firefox. Methinks this will be a crap attempt to copy Safari.

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Crash recovery, eh? (5, Funny)

religious freak (1005821) | more than 6 years ago | (#22652468)

Also aboard the upgrade train is automatic crash recovery
Kind of funny, you'd think they'd work on not making it crash. Or at least spin it a little better.

Re:Crash recovery, eh? (4, Informative)

J0nne (924579) | more than 6 years ago | (#22652662)

Also aboard the upgrade train is automatic crash recovery
Kind of funny, you'd think they'd work on not making it crash. Or at least spin it a little better.
Firefox has the same feature too. Browsers have to accept tons of different types of input (html, js, css, different image formats, ...) and try to make sense of it all. Third-party extensions and plugins can cause the browser to crash.

I hate Microsoft as much as the next guy, but that was low, even for Slashdot.

Re:Crash recovery, eh? (1, Troll)

purpledinoz (573045) | more than 6 years ago | (#22652986)

Or not allowing any website or program to install all these components and toolbars onto your browser... The main reason for me switching to Firefox was that it wouldn't get cluttered with all these bullshit toolbars (and tabbed browsing of course). I'm not even sure how they get there, but they always do, and it pisses me off. Firefox only has components that I install myself. I'm never greeted with a new toolbar.

Re:Crash recovery, eh? (2, Insightful)

mingot (665080) | more than 6 years ago | (#22653496)

Strange. I never had toolbar that I didn't install just 'show up'. My 11 year old daughter does constantly, though. It's usually down to her having installed the latest MEGA INSTANT MESSANGER PONYS AND UNICORNS EMOTICON PACK or something similar and *gasp* not reading the part where it explains that it's going to install 14 toolbars and a bunch of other spyware. This is why she works in a VM. Maybe ask one of your parents to set one up for you?

Re:Crash recovery, eh? (4, Informative)

Z34107 (925136) | more than 6 years ago | (#22653506)

I'm never greeted with a new toolbar.

How do people do this to their computers? You're reading/posting to slashdot, so I assume you're technically competent.

Even when I was using Internet Explorer 6, I never had this problem. I've had one virus the entire time I've used Windows (since 3.11) - and that was some file infecting virus I got on Windows 98 from who-knows-where. (Although I suspect my younger brother-knows-where, but I digress.)

Never had toolbars, and pop-ups stopped when I got IE7 (beta 1.) But, somehow, people manage to trash their Windows boxes, and trash them regularly.

How did you manage this? What sites did/do you browse? What horrible Bonzi-buddy software do you use on your computer? I'd like to know what the rest of my extended family (the ones who think I'm free 24-hour technical support) is doing.

Re:Crash recovery, eh? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22653338)

Kind of funny, you'd think they'd work on not making it crash.
Unlike Firefox, I haven't had IE crash at all in the past 4 years.

Oh yeah, that's because I haven't used IE in the past 4 years. :-)

Now with bonus crashiness! (1)

themushroom (197365) | more than 6 years ago | (#22653342)

Opera and Firefox can go back to the page one was on when the browser crashed -- it's about time IE had that capability.

Since, afterall, it needs it the most. But if one instance of IE blows up (historically, taking all other instances with it), does it open up as many instances were open and reload all the pages that died? Like those other two do?

WOW! (5, Funny)

quaketripp (621850) | more than 6 years ago | (#22652490)

First they introduced tabbed browsing, now they've upgraded the context menus and integrated feeds! I just don't know how anyone can keep up with them. OMG and they're integrating group policy options to block sites! finally! that was impossible to do on a firewall! viva la revolution!

Re:WOW! (1)

SwashbucklingCowboy (727629) | more than 6 years ago | (#22652558)

It's not just integrated feeds, it's screen scraping a page to create a feed. It's similar to one of the features of Yahoo Pipes.

Re:WOW! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22652788)

> It's similar to one of the features of Yahoo Pipes.

Interesting. And if Microsoft were to, say, buy Yahoo, then Yahoo wouldn't be able to sue them for patent infringement.

Re:WOW! (5, Funny)

MrNemesis (587188) | more than 6 years ago | (#22652748)

Hey, we can at least be thankful that they didn't move the "back" button to the bottom right hand corner, remove the option to configure connection settings from within the app itself, reverse the direction of scrolling (i.e. scroll right and left to go up and down and vice versa), raster bitmaps and GIF files in CMYK as opposed to RGB and turn sentences begining with prepositions into French swearing. All these new UI paradigms we're missing out on!

In a rare moment of originality, a young MS exec, having just read the hitch hikers guide, sent a binary of IE7 back in time in an attempt to sue the companies developing firefox, opera and a million and one other more inventive browsers in the future for copying IE's features. Unfortunately, the court dismissed the new IE interface as a crude hoax perpetrated by 4chan, and the budding young exec was made Ballmer's personal chair man.

Not that I think the IE7 interface is an abomination of consistency and style or anything ;)

the classic joke... (5, Funny)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 6 years ago | (#22652752)

Microsoft: "Hey, wait for us - We're the leader!"

I'm glad they're going to be supporting all these 'new' standards. :)

You can fool some of the people ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22652914)

none of the time and some of the people some of the time. For everbody else, there's Internet Explooder.

or

... fool me 8.0 times ...shame on ... aw hell, it's beyond pathtic...

Re:WOW! (2, Informative)

mtmra70 (964928) | more than 6 years ago | (#22653596)

OMG and they're integrating group policy options to block sites! finally! that was impossible to do on a firewall!
Actually, this is something to look out for. For example, your company firewall may block google.com on port 80, but if you company does not block SSH connections, you can easily bypass it.

Simply setup PuTTY to create a localhost tunnel and establish a SSH connection to an outside source. All of a sudden you can browse the web through the encrypted tunnel. If you need a little more help for apps that open various ports or need to resolve the DNS externally, throw in SSHProxy and you can force all ports/DNS queries to run through the SSH tunnel.

Will someone please... (4, Insightful)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 6 years ago | (#22652512)

...tell Microsoft that we don't give a flying hoot about Activities and Internet Julian Fries. As developers, we want to know if they'll support CSS2 (and God-forbid even some CSS3 *gasp!*), DOM2, SVG, ECMAScript 3rd Edition, and half-a-billion other standards that they've been ignoring. If they want to make developers really happy while future-proofing their browser, they'll support HTML5 and ECMAScript 2.0.

I'm not holding my breath, though.

Re:Will someone please... (5, Informative)

GregChant (305127) | more than 6 years ago | (#22652688)

If you read the article, you'd have noticed the linking page, Everything a developer needs to know [microsoft.com] , which explains IE8's CSS2.1 compliance (with provisional CSS3 compliance), among other developer-related information. It's hard to be indignant and informed, I know.

Re:Will someone please... (3, Interesting)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 6 years ago | (#22652928)

Thanks for the link. Unfortunately, Microsoft is NOT promising any of the features I'm referring to. I read the white paper on Circular References. Are they building a better, more standards-compliant Javascript engine? No, they're only fixing circular references, a problem that never should have existed in the first place. I read the white paper on "DOM Core Improvements". Are they adding DOM2 features? No, they're just fixing a few minor differences between the W3C spec and their implementation of DOM.

About the only spec that Microsoft MIGHT actually be taking seriously is CSS2.1. And even then, I'm not holding my breath that they do a good job of it.

Re:Will someone please... (1)

MOMOCROME (207697) | more than 6 years ago | (#22653704)

I like the part where the guy before you said "It's hard to be indignant and informed, I know."

your half million standards are obnoxious and useless.

ie6 is still the defacto standard, and MSFT is make a huge effort to get everything ready for your birthday with ie8.

now stop whining and get back to work.

Re:Will someone please... (4, Insightful)

crush (19364) | more than 6 years ago | (#22653706)

And not just the above, but the "WebSlices" crap is just another way to muddy the Atom/RSS [wikipedia.org] waters. We do NOT need another feed "standard" thanks.

Re:Will someone please... (1)

thomas.me (864466) | more than 6 years ago | (#22653220)

Well, if it's CSS2.1 compliant why has this fact to be "explained"? I mean, it's either compliant or it's not, there's nothing to be explained about it.

Re:Will someone please... (3, Interesting)

tobiasly (524456) | more than 6 years ago | (#22653492)

It's hard to be indignant and informed, I know.

Hardly. Reading the developer link reveals the following gem on an example for implementing WebSlices:

<div class="hslice" id="1">
<p class="entry-title">item - $66.00</p>
<div class="entry-content">high bidder:buyer1
...
</div>
</div>

Wow... I hope there are no existing web pages that happen to use the CSS class name "hslice" for anything, otherwise they're in for an unpleasant surprise when IE8 begins interpreting them in their own special way!

So now the whole "IE8 will break existing sites" discussion comes into clearer focus. Microsoft's definition of standards-compliant (which should surprise no one I guess) is that their proprietary "extensions" now happen to be (X)HTML compliant.

Re:Will someone please... (1)

freaknl (1194831) | more than 6 years ago | (#22653680)

So when will Slashdot have an element with a hslice class? Nothing major, just a <hr/> or perhaps the <body>? Just to pick on the Internet Explorer users? Aw common Slashdot, we know you want to.

Re:Will someone please... (1)

jpmorgan (517966) | more than 6 years ago | (#22652714)

Insightful? We had the discussion you were asking for yesterday [slashdot.org] . Just because all you're interested in is one facet of IE8 doesn't mean every discussion should revolve around that single aspect.

Re:Will someone please... (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 6 years ago | (#22652802)

We had the discussion you were asking for yesterday.
No, no we didn't. Yesterday we had the discussion that Microsoft promised standards mode to be on by default rather than their previous promise to turn it OFF by default. At no point did Microsoft say *what* standards they were actually promising to support.

Re:Will someone please... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22652772)

"julienne".

Re:Will someone please... (0, Troll)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 6 years ago | (#22653008)

No way, man. The only "standards" they care about are the pseudostandards they and they alone have. For instance, IE can fade from page to page - but it has to use MS's nonstandard commands to do it, and it only works on IE.

There are still too many web sites that refuse to let non-IE browsers in, and the list has probably been shrinking since the growth of Firefox, Opera, and other browsers has gone so well.

Now according to the summary we have "Activities". The term "contextual services to quickly access a service from any webpage" sounds pretty useless to me; what services are they talking about? The Associated Press, or more likely OS (Windows) services?

"WebSlices" is another. You can bet your bottom dollar there are going to be idiot web designers (or ignorant ones using Front Page that don't know or care that they're using IE-only features) that shut out anyone using Konqueror or Safari or any other non-Microsoft browser.

Once just for laughs I coded my homepage so that if the user-agent was IE it would redirect to a page that said "sorry, you need to upgrade to a modern browser" with a link to Firefox, even if it was Microsoft's latest incarnation of their pathetic browser. The site was (and still is) plain vanilla HTML, looks pretty much the same on any browser.

Microsoft annoys the hell out of me.

-mcgrew

Embrace and control is so last century (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22652530)

Oh, poor M$, how many times will you try to enslave the developer spirits?
That will definitely NOT work considering our current level of clarity and skill.

Unicorn

It'll all end in tears.... (4, Insightful)

caluml (551744) | more than 6 years ago | (#22652556)

Users typically copy and paste from one webpage to another. Internet Explorer 8 Activities make this common pattern easier to do ...
Oh god. This sounds just like the "Hey, let's let the email client run scripts", and "Let's hide the nasty, confusing file extensions from the users" decisions.
Some things should just be a little tricky to do. Like saving a file from an email, locating it, (chmod u+x in *nix), and only then executing it.

Re:It'll all end in tears.... (1, Insightful)

Knuckles (8964) | more than 6 years ago | (#22652994)

Also, "users typically copy and paste from one webpage to another"? Really? So much more than from one Word file to another that we need to invent this feature for an internet-facing app of all things?

Re:It'll all end in tears.... (1)

Your.Master (1088569) | more than 6 years ago | (#22653688)

Yes. I hack around an old firefox dictionary definition extension to make it do what IE8 is doing natively. It was one of the killer things for Firefox for me. Opera has a set, unchangeable list of the same sort of things.

Re:It'll all end in tears.... (1)

Knuckles (8964) | more than 6 years ago | (#22653770)

And how exactly is this proof that this activity occurs more often in IE than in Word?

Get FF3 out already (0, Offtopic)

RiotingPacifist (1228016) | more than 6 years ago | (#22652618)

FF3 is much better than IE7 but with its new found standards complience perhaps IE8 will be good enough to stop people switching. SO if FF wants a big market share it needs to ship FF3 soon

Re:Get FF3 out already (1)

Dark-Dx (1190049) | more than 6 years ago | (#22652978)

C'mon, not even IE8 will be better than FF unless they fix that crappy slow engine.

Re:Get FF3 out already (1)

ilovepolymorphism (642188) | more than 6 years ago | (#22653084)

So if IE8 supports standards and is better than the alternatives, what's wrong with using it?

Re:Get FF3 out already (1)

Brett Buck (811747) | more than 6 years ago | (#22653154)

Consider the audience, then repent your heresy!

      Brett

un, effing, real. (5, Funny)

sootman (158191) | more than 6 years ago | (#22652622)

This is hysterical. 'WebSlices' are similar to Safari's Web Clip [apple.com] feature. Crash Recovery... aka Session Restore in Firefox. (And Saft gives it to Safari.) And can anyone decipher the marketing BS that somehow says the Links bar is new? In Internet Explorer 7, the Links bar provided users with one-click access to their favorite sites. The Links bar has undergone a complete makeover for Internet Explorer 8. It has been renamed the Favorites bar to enable users to associate this bar as a place to put and easily access all their favorite web content such as links, feeds, WebSlices and even Word, Excel and PowerPoint documents. So... it's called a "favorites" bar now so users will think "aha! I can put links to my favorite things here!" rather than the old "links" name which led users to think "aha! I can put links to my favorite things here!"? Ooh, and it can hold links to documents as well? Er, yeah, that makes a lot of sense... I've always felt that the biggest thing missing from a web browser was access to random local documents. Because there aren't enough other ways to access often-needed files.

Re:un, effing, real. (3, Insightful)

rucs_hack (784150) | more than 6 years ago | (#22652738)

All they're really doing is saying that IE8 is now pretty much equivilent to the other browsers.
Of course these features already exists in other browsers, they know this, or they wouldn't have bothered. They left IE6 alone for ages until Firefox got a foothold. They're hardly going to put that in a way that makes it sound like its just a catch up exercise though, are they, it has to sound exciting and new. After all, to them, and most IE only users, it *is* new.

Actually, any improvement over IE's favorites system would be a good thing, I have to use it from time to time, and it's quite badly implemented.

Re:un, effing, real. (1)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 6 years ago | (#22653332)

It has been renamed the Favorites bar to enable users to associate this bar as a place to put and easily access all their favorite web content such as links, feeds, WebSlices and even Word, Excel and PowerPoint documents.

That's not what annoys me the most about it. What annoys me is the fact that they can't keep anything the same from one version to another. Not just IE but all MS apps and OSes as well; it's apparently a dilbertesque company policy. Also what annoys me is they can't stand to call anything the same thing everyone else calls it.

And "favorites" highlights both these idiotic user-hostile Microsoft insanities. Everyone else calls them "bookmarks" so MS has to call them "favorites". Well, if they change the "favorites" to "bookmarks" like everyone else (it would surprise me) that's great, but why do they have to confuse their present customers by naming something else with that name? I get the feeling that they want their customers to feel stupid so when they come across a bug or idiotic feature they chalk it up to their own stupidity instead of Microsoft's arrogance andr stupidity.

Trying to change anything from its default has always been incredibly hard with a new version of IE because it's in a different place in the menu system with every release. Once it was under "file", once it was under "edit", once it was under "tools", and IIRC once it was under a menu that isn't in IE any more.

And I'm completely with you on the last part. I don't want my web browser opening a spreadsheet or word processing document! I don't even want it opening an Acrobat document in its window. If there's a link to a Word document it should open Word with a strong warning that you might get infected with a virus if you open it.

I wish Microsoft would take an ethics course. I think if they did their software would improve, maybe to the point that I could actually like it. As it is now, Microsoft is my least favorite software company.

Re:un, effing, real. (1)

IBBoard (1128019) | more than 6 years ago | (#22653698)

And can anyone decipher the marketing BS that somehow says the Links bar is new?

I think the important bit is

a place to put and easily access all their favorite web content such as links, feeds, WebSlices and even Word, Excel and PowerPoint documents

They've only just added "WebSlices" (which look like they're poorly implemented because they'll show a button for people who can't install/use them) so it must be that that's the difference that now makes it "favourites" instead.

I guess it could be documents as well, but having not used IE for years and Windows for months then I couldn't be sure.

Safety Filter (5, Funny)

losethisurl (980326) | more than 6 years ago | (#22652632)

We can filter if we want to
We can leave your friends behind
'Cause your friends don't filter and if they don't filter
Well they're no friends of mine

Re:Safety Filter (continued) (1)

denis-The-menace (471988) | more than 6 years ago | (#22652834)

I Say, we follow standards if we wannoo
A thing we call "the embrace"
And we extend them 'til they gonna break
Leaving the real standards far behind
And we can innovate (Yea, right..)

Working Links (0, Redundant)

Peeet (730301) | more than 6 years ago | (#22652644)

Microsoft has also posted links to download the beta, but none of them are working right now.

I think I can be of some assistance. Here are some working links [mozilla.com] to download the next generation browser's beta...</!lying></!goatse></!toworry,still!lying>

Re:Working Links (1)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 6 years ago | (#22653520)

Here's another great Microsoft [uncyclopedia.org] link. And here's [uncyclopedia.org] Internet Explorer. Choice quotes:<choicequote>

Whoops! Maybe you were looking for "shit"?

This article is best viewed on Mozilla Firefox.

"Interweb Exploder isn't compatible is NOT compatible with the internet. Unable to connect. Would you like to download an update?"
~ Internet compatibilty on Internet explorer

"Health Warning: Using Internet Explorer could cause your head to asplode."
~ Microsoft on Internet Explorer

"I'm sorry. Your web browser has no idea whats going on."
~ Mozilla Firefox on Internet Explorer

"I'm dissapointed in you."
~ Opera on Internet Explorer

"I Ate it and threw up something even more Bloated"
~ Advant Browser on Internet Explorer

Internet Explorer(often called Interweb Exploder, Ayyyiiieeee or Internet Explwhorer) is a spyware and adware deployment tool developed by Microsoft. It can be used to visit warez and pr0n sites and download spyware and adware, which are microorganisms that live in symbiosis with it. Internet Explorer is not to be confused with Netscape or Firefox or Ninjas that were all popular forms of pr0n viewing before the third coming of the Flying Spagetti Monster which wiped out all companies in the world to be replaced with roving bands of pirates. Everyone hates pr0n but this stupid so called "Internet exploding thing that whoops your ass off" keeps on spreading it.

<alt>I'm sorry, this page is not compatible with non-Microsoft browsers. Click here to download the new Internet Explorer8<\alt><\choicequote>

Nice screenshot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22652672)

So now we know what the IE dev team members really spend their time doing. (Third tab, under "Automatic Crash Recovery"...)

Re:Nice screenshot (1)

xerxesVII (707232) | more than 6 years ago | (#22653444)

Excellent catch. Don't know what's up with the mods, though.

WinXP ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22652690)

Available for Windows XP SP2? I thought Microsoft said that Windows XP wasn't sufficiently advanced enough to receive further IE development, that IE was somehow too advanced.

-M

Re:WinXP ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22652842)

IE7 has a special Vista-only protected mode. I imagine IE8 has the same.

No IE8 will require WinFS (1)

EmbeddedJanitor (597831) | more than 6 years ago | (#22653252)

so that means it will be available in Win98, sorry Win2k, no WinXP, ummm Vista, aww fuck!

It is easy to promise features, but a bit harder to deliver them.

Gn4a (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22652710)

80s, DARPA saw BSD In addition, *BSD HAS LOST MORE my bedpost up my 1nventing excuses

Automatic Crash Recovery (0, Redundant)

The Aethereal (1160051) | more than 6 years ago | (#22652766)

Automatic Crash Recovery (ACR) is a feature of Windows®Internet Explorer® 8 that can help to prevent the loss of work and productivity in the unlikely event of the browser crashing or hanging. The ACR feature takes advantage of the Loosely-Coupled Internet Explorer feature to provide new crash recovery capabilities, such as tab recovery, which will minimize interruptions to users' browsing sessions.
That is actually pretty cool. Firefox should steal that.

Re:Automatic Crash Recovery (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22652952)

Firefox already supports session restore [mozillazine.org] .

Re:Automatic Crash Recovery (1)

BrentH (1154987) | more than 6 years ago | (#22653474)

It has, for a long time, had this.

Re:Automatic Crash Recovery (1)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 6 years ago | (#22653632)

Hey, if I download that and put it in my car and run into a telephone pole does that save me the cash for car repairs? Damn I'm downloading that sucker right now!

/. now Microsoft propaganda pit? (2, Insightful)

Cyclops (1852) | more than 6 years ago | (#22652844)

The number of excessively-Microsoft-friendly (beyond what could be considered reasonable, for instance this article which talks about nothing that matters for nerds and only mentions some ridiculous luser features instead of non-standards compliance, or the other one where a fake Open Source operating system from Microsoft was published, etc...) articles has increased hugely.

Re:/. now Microsoft propaganda pit? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22653000)

They are reshaping the meaning of slashvertisement.

Re:/. now Microsoft propaganda pit? (1)

kellyb9 (954229) | more than 6 years ago | (#22653040)

A browser that is used by roughly 85% of the market is releasing a new version into beta testing. A company that is mostly closed source has released an open source kernel for testing new features. OH yeah and its OS is used by 95% of the personal computers in the world. It may be coincidence that this was all on the same day - regardless, i think all of these items are significant as far as technology goes.

Re:/. now Microsoft propaganda pit? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22653450)

Fuck both you and Microsoft's propaganda machine.

Re:/. now Microsoft propaganda pit? (1)

RightSaidFred99 (874576) | more than 6 years ago | (#22653568)

Oooh, yeah. SlashDot so pro-Microsoft now. It's sheer craziness, I tells ya! Where in God's name will all those ridiculous MS-haters go to rant and rave about MS now that SlashDot is effectively owned by MS now, according to Cyclops.

Give me a fucking break, dude. And I'm not sure why you bolded fake Open Source operating system. Because CmdrTaco used a bad article title, you seem to be making some retarded implication that Microsoft is "pulling one over" on you and not really releasing something as open source when in fact they never claimed it was open source.

AJAX Navigation Support (5, Insightful)

jeremyds (456206) | more than 6 years ago | (#22652902)

One of the more interesting features included with IE8 is "Ajax Navigation":

AJAX Navigation enables users to navigate back and forth without leaving the AJAX application and could be used navigating a page without performing a traditional full navigation. This allows websites to trigger an update to browser components like the address bar by setting the window.location.hash value, firing an event to alert components in the page and even creating an entry in the travel log.
This is actually a proposed standard in the HTML 5 specification and it's nice to see Microsoft implementing it. The inability to bookmark or navigate to a page that's been updated using AJAX has always been a pain in the ass.

Re:AJAX Navigation Support (4, Informative)

nevali (942731) | more than 6 years ago | (#22653302)

I've built sites in the past fortnight which use document.location.hash to allow navigation to/from different AJAXified or otherwise dynamic sections of a page (either by typing the URL with the anchor directly, or by using back/forward), and it works wonderfully in every browser I've tried including IE 6.

About the only "clever" bit here is firing an event automatically when it changes, which just removes the three lines of code I have checking whether window.location.hash is myfoo.savedHash or not in an interval ticker. ...and they turned this into a whole complete feature, and got somebody to think up a name for it?!

Re:AJAX Navigation Support (1)

seandiggity (992657) | more than 6 years ago | (#22653736)

...sounds like a new attack vector to me. Cuz IE needs more of those.

ACR (4, Informative)

RiotingPacifist (1228016) | more than 6 years ago | (#22652940)

The "Crash Recovery" actually seams to be quite good, better than Firefox anyway, if its implemented well, it means each tab runs in a separate thread (although for some reason they called them processes) and can crash/recover separately, as well as implementing the standard session restore.

Re:ACR (4, Informative)

Skuto (171945) | more than 6 years ago | (#22653248)

>it means each tab runs in a separate thread (although for some reason they called them processes)

Processes and threads are vastly different things.

For example, one thread crashing means all other threads in the same process go down with it.

This is probably exactly why they use processes instead of threads.

features? (0, Troll)

poticlin (1034042) | more than 6 years ago | (#22652974)

First thing to cross my mind -> List of features by M$, aren't they calling them list of bugs? or is it the other way around...

Dear Bill (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22653024)

Quit trying to improve your products. It is highly anti-competition. If you actually succeed, it will just make your company more of a monopoly.

It's time to let linux, ff and apple get some traction.

Mmmmm..... (0, Offtopic)

Stanislav_J (947290) | more than 6 years ago | (#22653050)

I'll take a couple of WebSlices with pepperoni and mushrooms, please....

Just installed it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22653150)

This is from the license terms WINDOWS INTERNET EXPLORER 8 BETA 1 FOR WINDOWS XP SP2, WINDOWS XP SP3, WINDOWS VISTA, WINDOWS VISTA SP1, WINDOWS SERVER 2003 SP2, AND WINDOWS SERVER 2008 I guess XP SP3 is coming pretty soon.

Activities - more IE only "standards"? (2, Informative)

nixeagle (1237044) | more than 6 years ago | (#22653202)

Looking at the developer guide [microsoft.com] , I noticed that the activities require the website designer to program this IE only feature into their sites. As it is XML, I suppose it would be fairly easy for others to catch up, but this does sound like something developers will have to do just for IE... unless I'm looking at this one wrong. Anyone care to clarify?

I'll have the usual please (resistance is futile) (1)

Adoxographer (1120207) | more than 6 years ago | (#22653368)

Nothing surprising about MucousShaft finally caving into existing standards after they've wrought immeasurable havoc on our web development through their half-assed and semi-proprietary implementations of those standards.

What I want to know is, what MessyStandards is setting it's sites on next. (After all, article only only lists "some" new features, not the ones that may require the element of surprise.)

I'm looking forward to finding out what widely supported standard they'll be bastardising next so web developers can have the heartwarming experience of having to learn and use the crippled and incompatible cousin along with the Standard standard that everyone else will try to use.

Any ideas? Maybe the standard mouse pointer will be replace by a muddy stick (ha, there's another MS acronym) that the user daubs onto a touch sensitive screen.

It's funny because it's abbreviated "MS"! ROFL! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22653730)

MucousShaft

MessyStandards

muddy stick (ha, there's another MS acronym)
You also forgot to use:
"MajorSuckage"
"MaybeStupid"
"MonsterSquare"
"MilfSquad"

and most obviously:

"MartinScorsese"

Seriously. At least "Microsuck" and other more common "MS"isms at least sound like the original thing.

Some links work (1)

GottMitUns (1012191) | more than 6 years ago | (#22653434)

The links for Vista/ Server 2008 and server 2003 work.

Whats with all the change? (5, Insightful)

flowpoke (1251410) | more than 6 years ago | (#22653628)

It seems that with each major version, they (and most other folks) try to reinvent everything and cloud it with branding. NO ONE enjoys radical change with little to no benefit. The interface needs to be more transparent, not cluttered with new terminology and features that matter NONE when compared to things like speed, stability and security.

I don't think MS will ever get it...

Beta download (1)

Thelasko (1196535) | more than 6 years ago | (#22653714)

Microsoft has also posted links to download the beta, but none of them are working right now.
Actually, page was DoSed by malware coders trying to be the first to exploit IE8's laundry list of security vulnerabilities.

Webslice sounds a lot like Apple's new widget (1)

Vidar Leathershod (41663) | more than 6 years ago | (#22653746)

You know, the one that allows you to capture a portion of a page and look at the latest version of that section (a la "subscribe").

Beauty, they didn't even take a year to snag that feature and rename it.
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