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MPAA Touts Record Year For Hollywood

kdawson posted more than 6 years ago | from the losing-money-but-making-it-up-in-volume dept.

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proudhawk writes "A blog posting in p2pnet today catches MPAA boss Dan Glickman at the ShoWest convention in Las Vegas crowing about Hollywood's profitable year: 'Today, we stand on a new mountaintop, and I have to say: I like the view... We had about 5 percent growth in both the domestic and worldwide box office, all-time highs on both fronts reminding us once again that good stories well told always find a place in our hearts, our lives and our local theaters.' What ever happened to the ravages of online piracy?"

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187 comments

scapegoat (5, Insightful)

User 956 (568564) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725156)

What ever happened to the ravages of online piracy?

the "ravages of online piracy" excuse is for years when they knowingly put out complete garbage and don't want to own up to it.

Re:scapegoat (5, Insightful)

Barny (103770) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725358)

Not to mention "the ravages" speech is for the press and legislators, the "zomg we did well this year" is for shareholders and equity firms :)

Re:scapegoat (5, Funny)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725628)

Seems to me the world would be a better place if they got that backwards one year.

I wish I was in a position to organize just such a screw-up. Just swap the press releases...

No, wait, I don't condone such underhanded tactics. May as well be blunt and honest. Where's my cluebat?

Re:scapegoat (1, Insightful)

packeteer (566398) | more than 6 years ago | (#22726022)

This means we have failed. If they abuse their customers and still make record profits, we are losing. If they can do this to us and nobody stands up for themselves, they almost deserve it. Why do people keep crawling back to RIAA and MPAA media when there is more out there. I am embarrassed that their tactics are working. They might not be stopping p2p but i dont think they really want to. As long as they are making record profits it makes all their efforts worth it.

FUCK YOU EVERYONE!!!!! (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22725644)

Hanging a few thousand P2P users would set a good example for the other thieves. I'd start with the Eurofags.

Re:FUCK YOU EVERYONE!!!!! (1, Funny)

jessiej (1019654) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725710)

I think I actually helped the movie industry though. Every time I liked a movie I watched before it was actually released, I would talk it up. Hell, I think I sent enough people to the movie theaters in the last year that Hollywood should actually pay me for advertising.

Re:scapegoat (3, Insightful)

cp.tar (871488) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725650)

What ever happened to the ravages of online piracy?

the "ravages of online piracy" excuse is for years when they knowingly put out complete garbage and don't want to own up to it.

No... you see, all this anti-piracy legislation and activism seems to be getting Results.

Therefore, they will do more in the same vein.

Re:scapegoat (4, Insightful)

diggyk (900186) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725816)

He said record BOX OFFICE sales, not DVD or Video sales. Piracy hurts Hollywood in the ongoing sales and royalties business. And it isn't the Hollywood execs that lose the most: it is the people like union workers, cameramen, grips, and even sysadmins that lose their jobs. The execs always stay rich.

Re:scapegoat (4, Interesting)

rhyder128k (1051042) | more than 6 years ago | (#22726578)

I don't have mod points. But absolutely. I don't think that anyone ever claimed that movie piracy was set effect box office takings. Still /. keeps rolling this sort of thing out as "proof".

To look at it another way, if takings were down because the content was rubbish, why is it that profits for the thing that can't be pirated have increased and the profits for the thing that can be pirated are down?

Re:scapegoat (3, Insightful)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 6 years ago | (#22726722)

why is it that profits for the thing that can't be pirated have increased and the profits for the thing that can be pirated are down?

Or, to look at it yet another way, you're inferring cause and effect, Mr. Glickman.

Re:scapegoat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22726720)

Lies.

You're looking at it wrong. (5, Insightful)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725184)

This doesn't contradict the "ravages of piracy" at all. Instead, the MPAA will say, "See, look! We cracked down on pirates and had a record year! CRACK DOWN HARDER!", as a justification for their future activities.

Re:You're looking at it wrong. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Freak (16973) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725276)

Exactly.

You know that the first year the recording industry sees a decent increase in sales, instead of saying that their embrace of DRM-free digital downloads was responsible, they will say that their massive crackdown on pirates (arr!) was responsible, and that to further continue the increasing sales, they need to crack down more.

Re:You're looking at it wrong. (4, Funny)

Blkdeath (530393) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725288)

This doesn't contradict the "ravages of piracy" at all. Instead, the MPAA will say, "See, look! We cracked down on pirates and had a record year! CRACK DOWN HARDER!", as a justification for their future activities.

I'm listening to Leonard Cohen as I read your comment, and he just informed me that The poor stay poor, the rich get rich. Thats how it goes. Everybody knows.

Prophetic, that man.

Re:You're looking at it wrong. (1)

Kierthos (225954) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725388)

Weird, I've heard Don Henley say the same thing.....

Re:You're looking at it wrong. (4, Funny)

tsa (15680) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725480)

Even Jesus said something in that direction.

Re:You're looking at it wrong. (1)

renegadesx (977007) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725544)

Actually he wanted to turn Judea into one big charity, quite the opposite.

Re:You're looking at it wrong. (1)

proudhawk (124895) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725642)

well, the OP here. its actually more of a case of the "have's" and "have not's".

I'm one of the haves (in some circles) and I get that way by keeping my ear to the ground. In the case of the MPAA, I simply do not buy into their "line of bull" and not buy any of their products (unless its available USED for $1.00 at a flea market and comes in original packaging).

why give them all the power and money when I can better dedicate my resources elsewhere?

Re:You're looking at it wrong. (1)

rarity (165626) | more than 6 years ago | (#22726768)

I'm listening to Leonard Cohen as I read your comment, and he just informed me that The poor stay poor, the rich get rich. Thats how it goes. Everybody knows.

Never mind. Here, have a long-stemmed rose.

Re:You're looking at it wrong. (4, Informative)

jcasper (972898) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725506)

And to show that he wants to crack down harder, he "blasts Net neutrality [variety.com] " in the very next breath, saying that "it would impair the ability of broadband providers to address the serious and rampant piracy problems occurring over their networks today."

Re:You're looking at it wrong. (4, Interesting)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725656)

To which I would point out that The Pirate Bay is also setting records. [slyck.com]

Which, you would think, would tend to show not only that the MPAA's anti-piracy tactics are working, but that there isn't really a correlation (positive or negative) between piracy and MPAA profits.

Re:You're looking at it wrong. (1)

cobaltnova (1188515) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725682)

Funny... I would expect there to be positive correlation:

music pirated <=> music desired <=> music sold <=> profit!

Actually, this is support for that position, not?

Re:You're looking at it wrong. (1)

pipatron (966506) | more than 6 years ago | (#22726102)

Yes, this is what the piracy movement often talk about.

There has never been such a demand for music as there is now, due to easy sharing. Hear something good and you can instantly send it to your friends. The problem is that it's impossible to get it in a format that we want and can use. We have crippled and compressed mp3. I want high quality patent-free formats. The only way I can get it without buying a physical product and later just throw it away is to either listen to free music (more and more common these days), or download "illegally".

Re:You're looking at it wrong. (1)

richie2000 (159732) | more than 6 years ago | (#22726036)

"CRACK DOWN HARDER!"
I actually think they're on crack.

Awww poor guy (1, Funny)

spyder-implee (864295) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725192)

Obviously just tryna keep a brave face in the midst of complete bankruptcy.

Re:Awww poor guy (2)

Corpuscavernosa (996139) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725402)

Moral Bankruptcy. People who put out the diarrhea they call movies have the moral flexibility of cooked pasta.

Or perhaps it's merely good business in the midst of the borderline-retarded masses. Hell, Norbit made around $159m in the theater with an additional $42m in DVD sales. Why put forth the effort to make a great movie when you can heap steaming piles of shit into a movie theater and make tons of cash?

Oh and on a side-note, it's one thing to get duped into seeing a shitty movie in the theater. It's something else to buy it on DVD and OWN it.

Re:Awww poor guy (1)

DKlineburg (1074921) | more than 6 years ago | (#22726156)

Of course this is what they release. Take a poll of who goes to movies. Smart people are more likely to do something else I'm sure. Read a book, exercise your brain in some way? Movies are the least brain activity of all compaired to TV. See Futerama [wikipedia.org] - Brain Slug [wikipedia.org]

Dream World (5, Funny)

cjfs (1253208) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725198)

What ever happened to the ravages of online piracy?
The "reminding us once again that good stories well told always find a place in our hearts, our lives and our local theaters" should have clued you in they weren't talking about current movies ;)

Re:Dream World (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22725820)

Isn't that domestic sales?

Box office? (2, Interesting)

AdamHaun (43173) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725226)

Do "box office" revenues include DVD sales?

Re:Box office? (1)

proudhawk (124895) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725658)

you know what? thats a very good question.


I didn't have that info when I posted the original article (and I am not sure the MPAA would even give me the real facts is I simply asked either).

Box office sales (5, Insightful)

usul294 (1163169) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725228)

They are saying box office revenues increased. Piracy most likely hurts DVD sales and rentals more than going to a theater. There is a big difference between a movie theater and a DIVX movie on you 17 inch LCD monitor, or if you are more crafty, a bigger TV. Its the equivalent of saying "box office revenues went up despite the rampant use of recordable media in the home". From my experience, a movie you go and spend $10 on plus refreshments, and gas (plus potentially someone else's ticket and refreshments) is not something you would download instead.

Re:Box office sales (4, Insightful)

Blkdeath (530393) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725272)

They are saying box office revenues increased. Piracy most likely hurts DVD sales and rentals more than going to a theater. There is a big difference between a movie theater and a DIVX movie on you 17 inch LCD monitor, or if you are more crafty, a bigger TV. Its the equivalent of saying "box office revenues went up despite the rampant use of recordable media in the home". From my experience, a movie you go and spend $10 on plus refreshments, and gas (plus potentially someone else's ticket and refreshments) is not something you would download instead.

Well I don't know where you get your downloaded movies, but I can get 720p movies compressed with H.264 accompanied by Dolby Digital 5.1 surround sound and enjoy it on my rather nice home theatre system viewed on my 60" Sony HD television set. Oh, and I can watch it on my schedule and serve whatever refreshments suit my own fancy. If I want chicken tika masala, by god I'll have it! And I'll wash it down with a crisp lager, thankyouverymuch.

tikka masala for one (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22725390)

Sounds like you're making up for never having a date to take to the movies. :P

Re:tikka masala for one (1, Interesting)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725850)

Oh, when having a date, home theatres have other advantages over movie theatres . They're usually quite close to the bedroom, and in some cases the couch is as far as one gets. Once started, the movie doesn't matter the slightest, nor the quality of the home theatre....

I'm not saying you cannot do this in the last row of a movie theatre, but you're most certainly going to annoy the other moviegoers with all the moaning and panting.

Re:tikka masala for one (1)

roguetrick (1147853) | more than 6 years ago | (#22726498)

Panting huh? So did you say you were blind and it was there to assist you? Is that how you got it in the back row?

Re:Box office sales (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22725906)

So you have a $5,000 TV but too cheap to pay $20 a month for unlimited blockbuster dvd and bluray rentals?

Makes more sense in Australia (3, Funny)

svunt (916464) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725964)

If you live in the US, you're still missing out...the films you watch in HD at home aren't the same movies that you can see at the cinema, they're last year's box office stories. Now, here in Australia, a great many films end up on my big screen via an .mkv file on the hard drive well before they hit the local cinema :D

Re:Box office sales (1)

TheThiefMaster (992038) | more than 6 years ago | (#22726216)

[...] and enjoy it on my rather nice home theatre system viewed on my 60" Sony HD television set.
Go go £20 2nd-hand projector projecting a 4' (48", 1.2m) approx picture. It's like being in the cinema, but with a comfortable chair and better food.

Much better than my 17" combi tv/dvd thing.

Re:Box office sales (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22725548)

i can download movies before they hit my home country (same with TV), in hidef or atleast dvd res with 5.1 sound and watch them on my home theater which i would back against my local cinema any day of the week. and all from the comfort of my own lounge with no annoying fuckheads talking on phones or teenagers yelling. i can also suck down a beer and not pay $10 for the "priviledge".

if dvd and box office sales were hurting (which they aren't, right from the horses mouth) it would be because more and more people are tech savy and doing the same.

Re:Box office sales (1)

DKlineburg (1074921) | more than 6 years ago | (#22726174)

Piracy most likely hurts DVD sales and rentals more than going to a theater.


But the question you have to ask is if you didn't download that movie for free, would you buy it to begin with? What is small inconvenience to download a movie and watch when you have time, comp aired to spending hard earned money on crap. I would bet that the 7 Billion that they lost wouldn't be there if we had to buy the stuff they try and feed us.

Re:Box office sales (1)

in a shadow (1144231) | more than 6 years ago | (#22726260)

They are saying box office revenues increased. Piracy most likely hurts DVD sales and rentals more than going to a theater. There is a big difference between a movie theater and a DIVX movie on you 17 inch LCD monitor, or if you are more crafty, a bigger TV. Its the equivalent of saying "box office revenues went up despite the rampant use of recordable media in the home". From my experience, a movie you go and spend $10 on plus refreshments, and gas (plus potentially someone else's ticket and refreshments) is not something you would download instead.
I can only say that less people are married and more is trying to get laid.

Consequence: Since you don't see the movie and you've spend the time while on the theater getting "acquainted" with her, when you get home (yes, alone of course, you're a geek what do you expect...?) you will download the movie to, in fact, see it.

Pointless argument (2, Interesting)

edwardpickman (965122) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725246)

No one is saying piracy is having a dramatic affect on film sales yet. It will eventually. Saying it never will is a silly argument because it's had a dramatic affect on music sales. The real point to make would be what would have film sales been without any piracy? It was 5% with piracy what if it was 7% without? 2% a tiny number? Actually no you're talking 200 million in looses if that was the case. Just look at South East Asia and China. Film sales are near zero inspite of US films being very popular. It's virtually a 100% pirated content. If people had to pay $20 instead of $1 or $2 there would be fewer films sold but still the industry is loosing hundreds of millions and conceivably billions in those markets to piracy. The whole argument itself is pointless because people that pirate don't want to change and the industry doesn't want to work for free so as piracy grows like in the music industry they either find another way to make money off films, in film commercials, product placement, etc, or they go out of business. I've yet to hear of another model that can support the industry so likely high budget films will die slowly over the next 20 years. They are preparing to spend hundreds of millions on 3D projection systems to try to hang onto box office growth but it's a desperation move and it won't save theatrical films in the long run. Take away the financial incentives for making movies and you're left with people in the midwest making Star Trek knock offs in their garages and rednecks running their bicycles into trees on Youtube for entertainment.

Re:Pointless argument (3, Insightful)

ganjadude (952775) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725290)

there is a HUGE difference is downloading a movie and printing copies and selling them for a profit. some people tend to download first, if they like the movie they will buy it on DVD and if its good enough go see it in the theater. Lets face it a good movie is still better on the big screen than on a PC. SO all this does IMO is give the producers incentive to stop putting out crap movies, and start making products that are worth something.

Re:Pointless argument (3, Informative)

mlts (1038732) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725612)

The confusion between someone copying a movie from a P2P network for no profit and a criminal organization deliberately making unauthorized counterfeit copies of movies to sell in stores is a difference that a lot of groups want the line blurred.

Counterfeiting is truly theft, as each single counterfeit copy takes a sale away from a genuine firm. The other is not theft, but IP infringement, which is not considered a criminal offense in most countries (although there are a lot of deep pockets wanting to change that.)

Fragmented markets cause pircay (5, Interesting)

Freaky Spook (811861) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725328)

No one is saying piracy is having a dramatic affect on film sales yet. It will eventually.

That's partly true I think but the drive in Piracy would be more due to the way the studios try to fragment their markets in different regions, to maximise their own profits.

The internet has made the planet a truly global community and they have to relase globally, not try to stagger around the planet with Theatrical releases/DVD Releases and even different dates for TV premiere's.

In Australia we still cannot get video/TV on iTunes because of this or get access to other such online content because its all being restricted, so many people resort to pirace to see what they want and not wait 3-6 months(Up to a year some times) later.

Like the music industry the movie industry will only end up hurting itself by trying to contain online content rather then let it flourish in an open market, the more they put online for fair prices the more people will pay. Just take phone ring tones as an example of how people are willing to spend money on absolute crap. If more people could get movies at those prices they would be making huge sales.

Re:Fragmented markets cause pircay (1)

G-funk (22712) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725574)

A year? You wish! Some programs are further behind than that. We're a couple of years behind in Top Gear, for example, and about 12 or 13 years behind in Iron Chef (unfortunately two of my fave programs).

Iron Chef (1)

Barsteward (969998) | more than 6 years ago | (#22726826)

is that an instruction because he/she is creased?

Re:Pointless argument (5, Informative)

invader_vim (1243902) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725382)

[piracy]'s had a dramatic affect on music sales.

Actually, a joint study by Harvard and University of North Carolina (CNET news story here [com.com] , pdf link to original study available from the article) suggests that filesharing has almost zero effect on CD sales. Admittedly it is a few of years old now (March 2004) and is by no means exhaustive; however, the conclusions are still relevant and suggest that there are greater influences on music sales than piracy (despite what the RIAA would like us to believe).

Re:Pointless argument (1)

TheVelvetFlamebait (986083) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725720)

After reading the article and not the study, I'm a little confused about how they test these things. How can they tell if a file-sharer, never having access to such illegal applications of the technology, would not have bought more copyrighted material in its absence? The article said that the study simply followed their downloading habits for 17 weeks, but not how it ascertained whether or not they would've bought any or all the copyrighted material they were pirating. Surely they weren't just comparing download rates with sales, because that would just show a correlation between popularity in stores and popularity online. I hope they didn't know they were being watched, because that tends to swing behaviour to the legal side of things.

The reason why I ask is that the result rings resoundingly false to me. It's hard to imagine all the music/movie fans out there just doing without music or movies, had they no access to illegal measures.

Re:Pointless argument (2, Insightful)

CSMatt (1175471) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725858)

The only way to find out how much media those who were studied decided to buy legally is to ask, which is of course is like asking someone if he or she smokes pot. The illicit nature of the act will cause anyone you survey to immediately deny doing such a thing in the first place and many may even appear to take a very pro-enforcement side just to shake off any suspicion.

Re:Pointless argument (1)

CSMatt (1175471) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725868)

Suggesting that "piracy" is the primary contributor to slipping RIAA profits is a bit naive. Tune in to your local Top 40 station and you'll see that most music today isn't even worth listening to, much less buying.

The ravages of online piracy (1, Flamebait)

sleeponthemic (1253494) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725248)

What ever happened to the ravages of online piracy?"

Yeah I agree. Stores make profit - Whatever happened to shoplifting. It must have no effect!

Re:The ravages of online piracy (1)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725674)

Yeah I agree. Stores make profit - Whatever happened to shoplifting. It must have no effect!

Except this isn't shoplifting so much as buying the cheap Chinese ripoff version.

You see, shoplifting actually removes the item from the store. No matter how bad piracy gets, if the original item has any value, there's still a chance to sell it.

It's a good point, but you need a better analogy.

Re:The ravages of online piracy (1)

sleeponthemic (1253494) | more than 6 years ago | (#22726104)

I was more talking about the sheer effect on profit. The notion that any damage to profits is irrelevant/non existent if a profit exists.

Are they really that evil? (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22725262)


Seems to me the MPAA is a bit more proactive in their tactics, in that they're trying to raise awareness about piracy instead of lashing out at random civilians with lawsuits like the RIAA does. Letters to ISPs saying "cut it out" seem to be the standard MO.

On the other hand they're extremely harsh with people selling bootleg DVDs, their main concern seems to be stopping mass distribution of pirated disks particularly while movies are in the theater (or before they even make it there.)

Not saying they don't do some things that are questionable, but they do seem to be making the transition with a little more grace... I don't feel the outrage against them that I do the RIAA. They're more annoying than evil in their tactics.

Re:Are they really that evil? (2, Informative)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 6 years ago | (#22726756)

I don't feel the outrage against them that I do the RIAA. They're more annoying than evil in their tactics.

Maybe ... but keep firmly in mind that it was the MPAA that authored the Digital Millenium Copyright Act. They're a dangerous outfit, in fact because they're more subtle than the RIAA they're even more dangerous. Don't let them off the hook.

Damn those pirates! (5, Insightful)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725286)

Without them, it could have been a 6 percent increase and I could buy a new ferrar... erh, I mean, yeah, right, where is the neck-breaking pirates now?

Seriously, people. The three driving emotions for people are greed, fear and greed. And the more you have, the bigger your greed gets. You have 5 percent increase (when everyone else is struggling to stay in business or have any kind of profit at all)? Doesn't mean jack, you want 6. You want 7. You want 10. And you could have 10 percent more income if it wasn't for all those who copy the content. It would be 15 if you could force people to throw away their VHS tapes. Hell, it could be 30 percent if you could force them to throw away DVDs!

It could be 50 percent if you could make those BluRays die after playing them 10 times. It could be 100 percent if you can make them so they die right after playing the movie once! It could be 200 percent when they couldn't play the movie at all... erh...

Well, if they still buy it that is.

And that's what this is about. The studios want more. They are not satisfied by having more than everyone else, they're not satisfied with having the best year of their existance, they're not satisfied with making a plus when the economy as a whole is struggling to avoid that big bad word that starts with an r and ends in cession. they want to have more than they already have. And they see some way to make more (i.e. crack down on those that copy), so they try to get rid of them. If they found a way to make you pay for every time you watch that movie, they would gladly do so.

And I'm fairly sure the next generation of players will have some sort of internet connection that enforces something like that.

It's the kiss of death (4, Interesting)

fastgood (714723) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725326)

Five years ago this month, a consortium of VHS tape producers touted a "ticker tape" Christmas season for all-time sales, and DVD have outsold tapes for every single month since March 2003.

Fifteen years before that, the RIAA leaders touted their "record year" for album sales, and CDs immediately supplanted records in 1988 and never looked back.


And thirty years ago in 1978 when Tomita released the final quad 8-track tape, the industry said it was "on track" for the best year ever as it instead saw the multi-track format slip into oblivion.

So when the MPAA touts a shiny year for DVDs, Blu-Ray is probably poised to make them eat their words.

Re:It's the kiss of death (1)

Fantastic Lad (198284) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725414)

Cool post!


Now we wait and watch. . .


-FL

Re:It's the kiss of death (1)

maglor_83 (856254) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725536)

So when VHS reached its peak, DVD made it big and the MPAA made lots of money.
When LPs reached their peak, CD made it big and the RIAA made lots of money.

So could you explain to me why this is the kiss of death?

Re:It's the kiss of death (1)

wakingrufus (904726) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725596)

it is the kiss of death to the consumer

Re:It's the kiss of death (3, Informative)

absoluteflatness (913952) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725608)

The thing is, in your two cases of VHS and 8-track manufacturers, they're tied to the format. The media companies, on the other hand, generally couldn't care less, except in the case of a market being fractured by many competing formats. The RIAA almost certainly made immediate gains from the switch from vinyl to CD, since CD's cost much less to produce. In the same vein, what does the MPAA care that Blu-ray will eventually (possibly) overtake DVD? They're not DVD manufacturers, they make money no matter what the format of the media. Now, there'll possibly be a depression in total video media sales as people are more reluctant to buy soon-to-be-obsolete discs, but also don't yet wish to upgrade to Blu-ray. Then again, Blu-ray players will play DVDs, so maybe that won't be the case. At any rate, the comments referenced in the article were about box office sales, not video.

Re:It's the kiss of death (1)

mlts (1038732) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725916)

That is true, but in general unless one possesses a HD set (which eventually will be commonplace), there is not that much advantage to Blu-ray over DVDs, other than some interactive Java stuff.

A lot of people are still content with their "old fashioned" DVD collection, and don't feel like paying the premium for a BD player yet. Blu-ray players are still relatively pricy compared to DVD players, so a number of people are going to just wait and see, as for now the quality on a DVD is good enough.

Once Blu-ray players come down in price a bit, people will eventually start adapting to them, but it will be gradual, probably slowly over the next 3-5 years.

Yarr. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22725360)

I download movies because I can't afford to see them in theaters.

Yeah. It's eight bucks, and I can't swing it. I'm fucking poor.

Re:Yarr. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22725462)

You are a worthless person.

Please go get a life.

I hate poor people and pirates.

Poor people suck! I bet you are stupid, too.

Get a fucking job! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22725532)

GET A FUCKING JOB, WORTHLESS LOAFER!

I hate parasites like you that refuse to pay for what they use.

(Same AC)

Re:Get a fucking job! (4, Insightful)

cp.tar (871488) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725678)

GET A FUCKING JOB, WORTHLESS LOAFER!

I hate parasites like you that refuse to pay for what they use.

(Same AC)

You must really hate yourself, for you don't appear to be a subscriber here on /.

Re:Get a fucking job! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22725944)

Or he could be supporting the site by viewing the ads (like the Dice BSOD ad) instead of being a useless fucking parasite and blocking them.

You're not a subscriber either. Are you blocking ads? Because if you are, you truly aren't supporting the site, while ACs actually do support the site by actually viewing the ads.

(Different AC)

Re:Get a fucking job! (1)

Crizp (216129) | more than 6 years ago | (#22726134)

I like Slashdot. I love movies and music. But I don't subscribe here; I do also block the ads. But it wouldn't scar my soul to see Slashdot suddenly vanished from the bits of the Internet, much as I wouldn't mind there not being a single new movie or album release ever again.

I'll always be able to make my own music and who really needs movies when you have music and friends?

Re:Get a fucking job! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22725942)

GET A FUCKING JOB, WORTHLESS LOAFER!

I hate parasites like you that refuse to pay for what they use.
No, YOU get a fucking job.

I hate parasites like you that refuse to work for a living and expect money for nothing.

Re:Get a fucking job! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22725952)

Why do you hate America? :(

Big surprise (2, Insightful)

Ihmhi (1206036) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725398)

Of course they have an increase in profits. There are actually some very high quality films coming out this year. Iron Man? The Dark Knight? Those are good reasons to go to theaters. The way I look at it, I either spend $10 on a movie ticket or I spend $20 on a DVD a year or two later - and the DVD is almost always worth it. I go to 2-6 movies a year, and they really have to earn my patronage by being a good film. And, of course, my friends have to be interested as well. I don't see how "high budget movies" are going to go the way of the dinosaur. If anything, digital distribution is going to make getting movies out *easier*. Movie theaters are sure to disappear over time, but digital distribution will probably increase the profits of movies if they do it right. Bandwidth is always cheaper than physical media.

Re:Big surprise (4, Funny)

The Evil Couch (621105) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725556)

There are actually some very high quality films coming out this year. Iron Man? The Dark Knight?
Yeah. Good job, Hollywood. Way to take a chance on a pair of unknown characters, with only 50 years of history and associated revenues far into the millions each.

I'm being facetious, of course; Iron Man's only been around for 45 years.

Re:Big surprise (1)

ardin,mcallister (924615) | more than 6 years ago | (#22726352)

Bandwidth is always cheaper than physical media.

Not if comcast and others against Net Neutrality get their way!
Look at Australia... their bandwidth prices are disgusting last I heard.

Irony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22725440)

"reminding us once again that good stories well told always find a place in our hearts, our lives and our local theaters."

Don't flatter yourself, Hollywood.

Wow, a record year for Hollywood. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22725460)

In spite of the fact I burned off a copy of the "Hitman" disc I rented yesterday.

Re:Wow, a record year for Hollywood. (1)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 6 years ago | (#22726074)

Why?

They don't have profit, do they? (5, Interesting)

davolfman (1245316) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725498)

Wait a second? Isn't this the same industry that cooks the books to never run a profit on movies so they don't have to pay their people? I assume these profits must be including all those "services" they charge themselves for. To me that seems a liability. It seems like they just gave the final data points necessary for all those people promised net points of nothing to do the math and find what their movies really made.

Re:They don't have profit, do they? (2, Insightful)

nexuspal (720736) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725632)

You are right on this. NEVER get into a contract that says you get the "profits" unless all of the costs are defined and agreed upon in advance. If you do get into this type of contract, the product will amost certainly never be profitable, no matter how many millions it makes...

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It's a numbers game (1)

ecavalli (1216014) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725584)

What ever happened to the ravages of online piracy?

Oh, those ravages are still there, but today the Hollywood spokespeople are interpreting the numbers to say they've made tons of cash. It's further proof that no matter what the actual situation is in Hollywood, they can claim any amount of piracy damage or massive profit that their agenda of the moment demands owing to their incredible ability to spin the true data.

A better question would be: how many people in Hollywood actually know the reality behind how well Hollywood is doing? I'm beginning to think the number is disturbingly low.

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"But it if wasn't for piracy... (2, Funny)

Evil_Ether (1200695) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725610)

...imagine how much _MORE_ we could have made."

Yeah, or.... (3, Insightful)

Dracos (107777) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725848)

good stories well told

How many of the 20 top grossing movies of 2007 were not adaptations, remakes, or franchise installments? How many actually involved original creative development?

For that matter, how many were over-hyped drivel titled "[adjective] Movie" or starring Will Ferrell?

Hollywood is out of ideas. Period.

It's the movies! (1, Insightful)

bogjobber (880402) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725884)

When will they learn? It's the movies, stupid! Hollywood had an excellent year because the movies were better. They had decent blockbusters, and for quality movies we had the best year (IMHO) in over a decade. You had a ton of mainstream movies like Transformers, Spider-Man 3, Shrek 3, Pirates 3, Harry Potter, Bourne 3, etc. You had incredible smaller films like No Country for Old Men, There Will Be Blood, Jesse James, Before the Devil Knows You're Dead, Michael Clayton, 4 Months 3 Weeks 2 Days, etc.

The theater/DVD system isn't fundamentally broken like the modern music industry. Piracy, casual sharing, and complete dreck aren't killing the market. During years when the movies are shit, profits and revenues fall. When you have an absolutely fantastic year like 2007, profits rise. It's pretty goddamn simple.

Re:It's the movies! (1)

aadvancedGIR (959466) | more than 6 years ago | (#22726690)

Not to be paranoid, but it might explain why the writers strike lasted so long: the MPAA needs a very bad year to ask the next president the right to shoot pirates on sight.

Concert Sales Aren't Tanking Either (5, Insightful)

TheMiddleRoad (1153113) | more than 6 years ago | (#22725904)

People pay for the big screen. People pay for live shows. You can't make a digital copy of a 60ft screen and you can't make a digital copy of being in a crowd, watching a live band. The only reasons theater sales drop are: 1. Crappy films 2. Obnoxious theater goers 3. Cell phones (see number 2)

Re:Concert Sales Aren't Tanking Either (1)

cliffski (65094) | more than 6 years ago | (#22726180)

but by your logic, the solution is for the movie industry to make more widescreen blockbusters with big special effects, that only look good on a big screen. Exactly the kind of bubblegum crap that /. posters whine about.
I want people to make good movies, not movies that are designed to only be viewable on a theater screen to prevent rampant piracy.

Re:Concert Sales Aren't Tanking Either (1)

miffo.swe (547642) | more than 6 years ago | (#22726494)

I dont know how other people works. Myself i dont even notice if i watch a movie in DVD, divx, HD or on a movie theather. Its the story thats important and thats where Hollywood has the poorest performance.

Re:Concert Sales Aren't Tanking Either (1)

advocate_one (662832) | more than 6 years ago | (#22726600)

You can't make a digital copy of a 60ft screen and you can't make a digital copy of being in a crowd, watching a live band.

you can't beat the rush when the crowd gets behind you... I play Bass... I just love it when the audience are enjoying themselves...

MPAA can burn in hell (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22725992)

The problem right now is that the movies are so crapy that there isn't much to download right now. I am so glad that I'm downloading movies (even CAM versions) and not paying for them . These movies are mostly crap. In fact, the last 6 movies I downloaded were just not worth it.

Oh... (2, Funny)

SharpFang (651121) | more than 6 years ago | (#22726186)



Income break-up:

- Cinema licenses: 5%
- TV licenses: 25%
- DVD sales: 10%
- Litigation: 60%

Just wait 'til next year (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22726220)

This year was full of sure bets. Spider-man 3, Shrek 3, Pirates 3, Harry Potter.

Just wait until next year. Naturally, the profits will be a little lower (back to the normal level).. but guess whose fault it will be?

Those damn PIRATES, of course!

Y'all don't understand... (1)

Stanislav_J (947290) | more than 6 years ago | (#22726224)

No one with a brain would dispute that "piracy" has some negative effect on their bottom line. The context is "how much of an effect" and "how does that relate proportionally to overall profits?" The MPAA would have you believe that online file sharing is putting the industry at death's door -- hardly. Similarly, the oil industry will tell you that they cannot moderate pump prices a bit to help out the middle class and the overall economy even though every year brings them ever increasing record-setting profits. See, in the corporate world, it's not "how much did we make," it's "how much MORE could we be making." Because no matter how much that is, it's never "enough." Of course, individuals fall into that same trap. If you make $25,000 a year, you want $50K. If you make $100K, you want $200K. And if you're a ballplayer making $10 million a year, your next contract better be a significant increase over that or you'll shop yourself to another team. It has nothing to do with whether what you currently earn is more than enough to meet your needs, even if it's enough to meet your needs for the rest of your life. You always want more. It's called "greed."

quote it to the lobbyists (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22726338)

I sure as fuck hope a congressperson/senator quotes this to their face when the lobbyists come round asking for increasing "limited times", ever more harsh penalties for infringing on their copyright monopolies, and in general begging the government/justice dept to prop up their broke ass business model.

Amazing... (1)

catdevnull (531283) | more than 6 years ago | (#22726580)

It's amazing. 5% growth despite 4 Michael Bay productions...

No profit from me! (1)

crivens (112213) | more than 6 years ago | (#22726652)

It's funny, I didn't see any movies in the theatre this last year, nor did I rent or download any. So no profit from me, which is fine with me as Hollywood keeps putting out a bunch of crap anyway.

You insen5itive clod?! (-1, Troll)

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They should declare "mission accomplished" (1)

smchris (464899) | more than 6 years ago | (#22726676)

People love the "great man" theory of history. Reagan single-handedly brought down the Soviet Union. Clinton was "responsible" for the economy of the 90s. The MPAA can just as well step in and take credit for their part in promoting the need for the public to support Hollywood. Most people won't argue.

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