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Israelis Sue Government For Laser Cannons

samzenpus posted more than 6 years ago | from the we-all-want-a-laser-cannon dept.

The Military 736

An anonymous reader writes "Residents of a southern Israeli town want a real-life laser cannon to protect them against Palestinian rocket attacks. And they're suing the national government, for failing to provide the ray gun defense. The U.S.-Israeli Tactical High Energy Laser project was widely considered to be the most successful energy weapon ever built. But the toxic chemicals needed to generate THEL's megawatts of power made the thing a logistical nightmare. It was scrapped. Now, the residents of Sderot want it back. And they're taking Prime Minister Ehud Olmert to court to make it happen."

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It Was Scraped? (4, Funny)

Zordak (123132) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735064)

If it was just a little scratch, some Bond-O and polish oughtta do the trick.

Re:It Was Scraped? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22735496)

With dolphins on top? (Eeeee-vill laugh)

I'll burn the karma (5, Funny)

StonedYoda47 (732257) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735070)

Did they sue for the sharks, tanks, and related expenses too? How else can they operate the lasers effectively? Lazer cats?

Re:I'll burn the karma (0)

kesuki (321456) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735270)

now i know I'm tired, laughing out loud at a slashdot joke....

mojo baby mojo...

Re:I'll burn the karma (1)

wizardforce (1005805) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735292)

They are suing because the best the government could find were some mutant seabass due to some environmental regulations.. the good news is that they're ill tempered.

Sweet! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22735072)

Besides the cool factor, they deserve better protection from the savages they face.

Re:Sweet! (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22735250)

Why am I getting modded down? I don't give a shit who it is - if you are firing rockets at a civilian population, you are a savage. Jew or Muslim, it's a savage act. You people are fucking morons.

Re:Sweet! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22735274)

Does a savage deserve protection from other savages?

Re:Sweet! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22735348)

Not the point I was trying to make and not one I will argue. The Israelis are not firing rockets back at the Palestinians or, at least, they are seeking an option that doesn't require them to do that. This weapon is defensive in nature and meant to knock the rockets down preventing civilian deaths.

Re:Sweet! (3, Interesting)

Atlantis-Rising (857278) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735486)

The Israelis are indeed shooting back at the Palestinians- see this article, [iht.com] for example, which mentions 120 Palestinians killed recently including many civilians (although the definition of 'civilian' is so lose in that area it's spin either way).

Rather, the Israelis are seeking an option that 'doesn't require them to shoot back' much like the United States was seeking an option that 'didn't require them to shoot back' in Star Wars and BMD.

They'll shoot back anyway, all right, but none of what's aimed at them will get through.

Re:Sweet! (-1, Troll)

Achromatic1978 (916097) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735502)

The Israelis are not firing rockets back at the Palestinians or, at least, they are seeking an option that doesn't require them to do that.

Fucking hypocrite. Took you a good half dozen words to admit you were talking utter shit.

"scraped"? (5, Funny)

plover (150551) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735076)

It was scraped. Now, the residents of Sderot want it back.

"Oy, for you, only the best lasers will do. You don't want this one, it's scraped. Let me get you one with a fresh paint job, good as new, I'll have my brother Manny bring it around Tuesday."

They scraped it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22735086)

You mean "scrapped", maybe?

Please stay on topic (5, Insightful)

Gumbercules!! (1158841) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735092)

Can we all please make an effort to keep the comments on track, and not diverge into a "Israelis/Jews are evil" fest?

The residents of Sderot have every right to expect their government to protect them and if the government is refusing to take any preventative action, while over 7,000 rockets have fallen on the town, then suing the government seems a very reasonable action.

Please note that they're not strapping bombs to themselves and running into cafes or government buildings - they're taking a legal action in a desperate request for help.

To pre-empt the comments that will follow, it's not relevant to point out Israeli action in Gaza and get into a debate over whether it's justified or not - this topic is about residents of Sderot taking completely non-violent, legal action, over repeated aggressive and violent attacks from a neighbouring region.

If only everyone in the region sought such a solution, instead of violence meets violence.

Re:Please stay on topic (1)

Camel Pilot (78781) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735160)

Necessity is the mother of invention. The Israeli's are smart, maybe this will spur them on to create their laser defensive weapon.

Re:Please stay on topic (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22735202)

Please stay on topic
Hi! Welcome to Slashdot. I see you're new here...

sorry, the whole world is obsessed with jews (0, Offtopic)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735224)

there are more sikhs in the world than jews, but no one argues about them

personally, i don't like jews, i don't hate jews. i just don't care about jews, for or against

and that makes me a small minority in the world

Re:Please stay on topic (5, Insightful)

jmv (93421) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735236)

Can we all please make an effort to keep the comments on track, and not diverge into a "Israelis/Jews are evil" fest?

Instead, we should stick to the track of "Palestinians/Muslims are evil", right?

over 7,000 rockets have fallen on the town, then suing the government seems a very reasonable action.

So New York citizens should also sue over the WTC attacks?

Sderot taking completely non-violent, legal action, over repeated aggressive and violent attacks from a neighbouring region.

should probably read "over repeated aggressive and violent attacks from a neighbouring region, over repeated aggressive and violent attacks from its nation, over repeated aggressive and violent attacks from a neighbouring region, over ...".

If only everyone in the region sought such a solution, instead of violence meets violence.

Agreed. It's a circle of violence that is not restricted to one side, and the only way to break it is for one side to just stop. Unfortunately, the Palestinian side is probably too disorganised to commonly decide on anything. That means the only hope is for Israel to stop it, but I'm not too hopeful that will happen.

Re:Please stay on topic (4, Interesting)

Firethorn (177587) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735300)

So New York citizens should also sue over the WTC attacks?

They have. We also invaded at least one country because of it*. Do you suggest that Israel invade and take more territory to solve this problem?

They're also not suing the Palestinians over this, instead are suing their own government for failing to provide a defense.

It's a circle of violence that is not restricted to one side, and the only way to break it is for one side to just stop. Unfortunately, the Palestinian side is probably too disorganised to commonly decide on anything. That means the only hope is for Israel to stop it, but I'm not too hopeful that will happen.

I have to agree, but I'll also point out that going by quite a bit of the propaganda on the Palestinian side says that there won't be any peace until all Israelites are 'pushed into the sea'.

History in the area generally shows that any ceasing of aggression on Israel's part is seen more of a sign of impending victory, time to push forward even more.

Maybe something like this laser system might push them to enough despair to actually give it up.

*I figure Iraq wasn't caused by 9/11, but delayed by it. But I know some disagree.

Re:Please stay on topic (3, Insightful)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735562)

Maybe something like this laser system might push them to enough despair to actually give it up.
Yeah, that's some keen insight into human psychology.
When has that ever worked?
Total despair means nothing left to lose and people with nothing left to lose make ideal suicide bombers.

I have to agree, but I'll also point out that going by quite a bit of the propaganda on the Palestinian side says that there won't be any peace until all Israelites are 'pushed into the sea'.
Is that quite a bit of palestinian propaganda, or quite a bit of right wing israeli propaganda making those claims about the palestinian propaganda?

Re:Please stay on topic (1, Insightful)

c6gunner (950153) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735324)

Agreed. It's a circle of violence that is not restricted to one side, and the only way to break it is for one side to just stop.
You know, the Jews tried that already. Look up "WW2" when you get the chance.

Re:Please stay on topic (3, Insightful)

Gumbercules!! (1158841) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735356)

Instead, we should stick to the track of "Palestinians/Muslims are evil", right?

No, we should stick to the topic at hand. I never once said anything about Palestinians/Muslims being evil, you just made the assumption that I must hate them, because I don't hate Jews. Is the world that black and white to you? You either hate Jews and love Palestinians or vice versa?

So New York citizens should also sue over the WTC attacks?

Sure, why not? Sue the Saudi government, if you can prove a link. Sue the US government for not detecting it. Whatever - if someone has negligence, then so be it. If no one has negligence, then you don't sue.

However your example is a bad one - the US govt. can reasonably claim it had no idea of the impending 9/11 attack - the Israeli govt. cannot make such a claim; when rocket attacks occur each and every single day. Therefore, there's more of a genuine complaint of negligence.

So if Sderot need to sue their government into action, so be it.

should probably read "over repeated aggressive and violent attacks from a neighbouring region, over repeated aggressive and violent attacks from its nation, over repeated aggressive and violent attacks from a neighbouring region, over ...".

I don't see residents of Sderot lining up to fire rockets into Gaza. They're just families trying to get on with their life. Why should they be forced to suffer attack after attack, over actions of other people?

Unfortunately, the Palestinian side is probably too disorganised to commonly decide on anything. That means the only hope is for Israel to stop it, but I'm not too hopeful that will happen.

So the Palestinians are absolved of all responsibility? How convenient!

Re:Please stay on topic (2, Interesting)

superwiz (655733) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735410)

So New York citizens should also sue over the WTC attacks?
Sure, why not? Sue the Saudi government, if you can prove a link. Sue the US government for not detecting it. Whatever - if someone has negligence, then so be it. If no one has negligence, then you don't sue.
They did. I knew personally someone who was party to the suit. I am not sure what the current status of the suit is as I haven't spoken to the person in a few years. I do remember a nifty little detail about the suit though -- the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia was represented by James Baker, III.

Re:Please stay on topic (1)

jmv (93421) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735466)

You either hate Jews and love Palestinians or vice versa?

No, but your initial comment sounded like a lot like the "stay on topic, jews are good" comments I've seen a lot here. Sorry if that wasn't the case.

So if Sderot need to sue their government into action, so be it.

When people sue their govt, the only ones that win are generally the lawyers.

I don't see residents of Sderot lining up to fire rockets into Gaza. They're just families trying to get on with their life. Why should they be forced to suffer attack after attack, over actions of other people?

When you're country (in that case Israel, but it applies to the Palestinians and others as well) carries out attacks on another country/territory, you sort of need to expect getting attacked in return; even if your small community didn't do anything.

So the Palestinians are absolved of all responsibility? How convenient!

Not what I said. What I'm saying is that if today the Israeli govt were to decide "we will stop attacks on Palestine" (regardless of why, whether it's a good idea, or anything), it can be done. If today the Palestinian govt decides "no more attacks on Israel", nothing will change because Hammas (and other groups) won't listen. The Palestinian govt is effectively powerless, unlike the Israeli one. I think both sides would agree to that statement. My opinion is that Palestinians and Israelis are equally to blame for the weakness of the Palestinian govt. The Israelis for doing whatever they could to cripple it (until they saw Hammas take over) and the Palestinians for voting a terrorist organisation into office.

Now, from there, the only conclusion is that it would be very unlikely for the Palestinian side to unilaterally cease fire. And that is why my only (very slim) hope is for the Israeli population to realise that and insist on an Israeli cease-fire. That probably won't look like a good move in the short-term, but that's pretty much the only long-term solution.

Re:Please stay on topic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22735532)

Agreed. It's a circle of violence that is not restricted to one side, and the only way to break it is for one side to just stop. Unfortunately, the Palestinian side is probably too disorganised to commonly decide on anything. That means the only hope is for Israel to stop it, but I'm not too hopeful that will happen.

How could you expect either side to "just stop" when neither side trusts the other?

Re:Please stay on topic (2, Insightful)

jmv (93421) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735262)

But the toxic chemicals needed to generate THEL's megawatts of power made the thing a logistical nightmare.

Who wants to bet the chemicals would kill more people than the rockets?

Re:Please stay on topic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22735296)

If only everyone in the region sought such a solution, instead of violence meets violence.
Unfortunately these people are about as likely to get their desired non-violent solution as any of Isreal's neighbours have been over the last 50 years (see the big nothing that the 60+ UN resolutions condemning Isreal have accomplished).

Re:Please stay on topic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22735386)

Man, no one was talking about Israelis/Jews being evil and guilty for the murder of Jesus Christ!
I don't know from which hell did you get this paranoid thing. We were talking about the scrapped joke.
But now, as you opened the door, there we go: We are not Jews here in America, our bankers are! So, REAL AMERICANS don't give a damn about your Israel! The only reason we talk about Israel is because our poor Iowa boys are dying as some stupid half-dicked bearded rabbi decided to invade the land of the Palestinians some 100 years ago. I know you got the excuse of the fake-hollywoodian concentration camps, and gonna keeping using it forever. We don't care! We hope you get fried by the damn big laser, altogether with your Arab cousins, and disappear from the face of the planet, so we can use that nice oil you spoiling on your deserted land to fill the tanks of our nice V12 SUVs! The average American HATE your freaking Christ-murderer Jew asses, and also HATE your Arab cousins too.
So, you know what to do with that big laser, that probably was built with the Trillions of dollars our government keeps stealing from our tax money to help your stupid Israel to survive. Just take that damn big Jew half-knife-cut-dick laser and stuck it into!

Re:Please stay on topic (5, Informative)

MrSteveSD (801820) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735396)

I should imagine that the fact that a larger town like Ashkelon has also been hit by rockets might result in this Laser project being revived. It should be noted that up until 1948 Ashkelon used to be called al-Majdal and was home to some 10,000 Arabs. Their homes were taken and they were ethnically cleansed and moved to Gaza. A few years later the name al-Majdal was also erased and it was renamed Ashkelon. Don't expect the news reports to tell you any of this stuff though.

To pre-empt the comments that will follow, it's not relevant to point out Israeli action in Gaza and get into a debate over whether it's justified or not - this topic is about residents of Sderot taking completely non-violent, legal action, over repeated aggressive and violent attacks from a neighbouring region.


Plenty of Palestinians think that non-violent methods such as protests are the best way forward as well. The problem is they often get beaten up or shot either with real or plastic bullets. In the recent crisis the IDF shot dead an unarmed 13 year old boy at a protest. A while back I watched a video of the IDF spokeswoman trying to explain why they had fired tank shells at unarmed protesters. She said they were just firing near to them to "warn them". Tanks shells for crowd control?

It's good that the people of Sderot can use legal action. If they were Palestinians they would have far less options and that anger would find other more bloody ways of expressing itself. Indeed, if you go back to the 40s in Israel, you will find exactly that situation.

Re:Please stay on topic (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735516)

HAHAHahaha.. they are suing for something that won't work. Why don't they sue for not getting a magic star to protect them?
I see your point why don't they

Re:Please stay on topic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22735534)

fuck you retard, not 1 comment prior to yours was anti-semetic

dumbass jews like you need to be babies "BAHHHHH DON'T GO OFF TOPIC BAHHHH" before conversations even get started, fucking pitiful

Re:Please stay on topic (1, Flamebait)

rm999 (775449) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735560)

"Please note that they're not strapping bombs to themselves and running into cafes or government buildings - they're taking a legal action in a desperate request for help."

Why would you even say that? You accuse people here of subtly claiming "Jews are evil," but your comment seems to be a backhanded way of saying "at least they aren't like the Arabs and strapping bombs to themselves!" I don't mean to put words in your mouth, but what else could you have possibly meant?

And I think it is irrelevant whether citizens are violent when their government has a *huge* standing army and spends 10% of its GDP on defense. They don't need to take any violent action when their taxes are supposed to be protecting them (unlike Palestine). I'm not being anti-Israel, I'm just saying your implicit comparison of Israel to Palestine isn't fair.

Bulldoze It (0, Troll)

phishtrader (741975) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735094)

The town that is. It would be cheaper for the Israeli gov't to bulldoze the town. The technology is proven, they have the means, and the results guaranteed.

This is so easy (0, Offtopic)

wizardguy (245100) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735096)

I have so many zingers here that I don't know where to start , so I am going to be smart and say nothing.

Nobody (except me) gets bad karma for saying nothing.

Obligitory Austin Powers... (-1, Redundant)

downix (84795) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735102)

We would take this "Laser" and place it on the heads of sharks....

Don't give the fanatics more weaponry.... (0, Offtopic)

sethstorm (512897) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735104)

Just keep this thing out of Charlie Johnson's hands, or practically anyone who's part of that Pajama Media network.

Re:Don't give the fanatics more weaponry.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22735200)

How many people here do you think even know who "Charlie Johnson" is?

As for not giving the fanatics more weaponry, well there's a reason sewage problems abound, seems some folks can make rockets out of anything, even pipes intended for sewage systems.

By the way, have you made plans for the upcoming Feast of the Pancakes?

Laser Cannon? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22735120)

How about a peace settlement? You stay on your side of the fence drawn in 1967, we'll stay on our side. Sounds fair to me.

The problem (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22735130)

Israelis sue government?

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If a country needs this much defense. . . (2, Insightful)

linzeal (197905) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735136)

...is it a viable country?

Re:If a country needs this much defense. . . (2, Insightful)

causality (777677) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735148)

USA spends several times more on defense than the second most heavily defended nation. Therefore: either your question is invalid, or it's more valid than what you had in mind.

Re:If a country needs this much defense. . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22735176)

With almost 80% of the population of the middle east against Israel... it is unlikely the country will exist in another 100 years.

Re:If a country needs this much defense. . . (2, Insightful)

superwiz (655733) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735430)

Nah. The only thing that can destroy Israel is peace. Their infighting over demographics (among Jews) will tear it apart. Hostility only unites it.

Re:If a country needs this much defense. . . (2, Insightful)

KiloByte (825081) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735190)

If a country needs this much defense. . . ...is it a viable country?
Do you mean, if a country has such vicious neighbours, is it a viable one?

Re:If a country needs this much defense. . . (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22735440)

So, your neighbor blows up your garage and builds a condo on the land. You complain. He shoots your children in retaliation. You throw rocks at him. He kills your wife in retaliation. You fire a gun at his house. He flies a jet over your house and fires missiles into it. You invite members of the press to witness what's going on. He shoots them, not realizing he's being videotaped. He denies he did anything wrong. He calls you the vicious neighbor.

Re:If a country needs this much defense. . . (5, Insightful)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735308)

Heh, yeah, and who exactly is going to make them leave? They are a viable country if for no other reason that no one can get rid of them. Maybe it was a mistake to create Israel, but that was a long time ago: get over it. (It was just as long ago that Cuba unfairly confiscated US property, and it is just as stupid that the US STILL has a trade embargo against Cuba). As for who the land 'rightly' belongs to, that is an argument going back thousands of years, and is frankly irrelevant with Israel and their big weapons sitting right there; they are not going anywhere. If you want to be respected in a conversation about foreign affairs, you're going to have to deal with that fact.

A few points:
  • There are Arabs living happily in Israel. The Druze are happy Israeli citizens, and the Bedouin are generally friendly with Israelis.
  • Even the Arabs living in Israel who AREN'T happy with Israel would rather live in Israel than in Palastine (West Bank/Gaza).
  • The Palastinian refugees living in Arab countries (like Lebanon) are treated much worse by the Arabs than those in Palastine are by the Jews.
It's true perhaps that Israel goes a little overboard in their responses to people attacking them, however, they do have at least one neighbor who has sworn explicitly to destroy them, so it is kind of understandable.

Re:If a country needs this much defense. . . (2, Interesting)

Orthuberra (1145497) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735418)

In the long run it is not a viable country, I'm not talking about any wars or possible wars either, but just simple demographics. The Arab/Palestinian population is growing faster than the Israeli/Jewish population, and the fastest growing demographic of the Jewish population is the Orthodox Jews. They are not obliged to serve in the Israeli military and some don't believe Israel should be a separate nation (as it is a right reserved for god's judgement only, not man's). Simply from a demographic standpoint, the way things are cannot be sustained exist in Israel, regardless of wars or extremism.

its all about being jewish... (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22735142)

i come from a family that is jewish and this is nothing new. my grandma sued her brother becuase the mother (my great grandma) gave them both equal amounts of money in the will and my grandma wanted more money

im not a racist person, but jews who have money are suing to get a toxic mega-weapon while the palistians are treated like shit seems all to similar

Re:its all about being jewish... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22735524)

im not a racist person, but jews who have money are suing to get a toxic mega-weapon while the palistians are treated like shit seems all to similar

No, you're a racist shit. Palestinians living in Israel are the freest Arabs in the middle east by far. They can work in any profession, vote, run for office, serve in the legislature and even be judges on the Israeli supreme court. Only in Israel can a Palestinian sue the government and (sometimes) win.

By comparison, in Lebanon, Palestinians are treated like dogs. They aren't allowed to own land. They aren't allowed to be lawyers, doctors, engineers, architects (over 60 professions are barred to them by law). Up until a few years ago, Palestinians weren't even allowed to bring building materials into the refugee camps. Why? So that when a TV crew comes by, they will get some dramatic footage. Aren't the Lebanese fellow Arabs? Part of the so-called Arab Nation, the Muslim Ummah (people)? While Lebanon isn't a rich country, you might expect a little sympathy, at the very least you would expect the Lebanese not to oppress the Palestinians. The Lebanese don't care.

In 1991, after the Iraqi army was driven out of Kuwait, the Kuwaitis ethnically cleansed hundreds of thousands of Palestinians who had lived there for decades, because Yasser Arafat supported Saddam Hussein. Nobody cared. There were no UN resolutions, no boycott campaign.

When Hamas recently knocked down the border fence between Egypt & Gaza, many Egyptians were stunned when they crossed into Gaza. The standard of living in Gaza is much higher than in many parts of Egypt.

The Arab & Muslim world treat the Palestinians as disposable cannon fodder in their war against Israel.

This conflict has never been about land, settlements or water. It is about one thing only: Death to Israel.

Precision... (4, Insightful)

lixee (863589) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735146)

The town in question is Sderot, where most inhabitants are of North African (especially Moroccan) origins. Those tend to be not so hell-bent on Zionism as European Jews because they weren't persecuted as much. I like to think that the government of a country founded on Zionism and so proud of it, would be slightly biased towards the inhabitants of Sderot.

Also, has anyone of you ever seen the damage katyushas make? Calling those things rockets or spending money to intercept them is ludicrous.

Re:Precision... (4, Informative)

wwwgregcom (313240) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735198)

I've personally seen an impact site. They cause very little damage to structures. It's the flesh tearing shrapnel that'll get ya if it happens to land near people.

Re:Precision... (1)

prisoner-of-enigma (535770) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735322)

Also, has anyone of you ever seen the damage katyushas make? Calling those things rockets or spending money to intercept them is ludicrous.


I would imagine that if one of them fell on you, or perhaps one of them fell on your five-year-old daughter who was playing in your back yard, blowing her body apart, tearing limbs off and flinging them tens of meters away, spattering blood, bone, and brain over a similar area, you'd find them less ludicrous.

The fact that people defend or otherwise apologize for the monsters using these weapons, all while claiming God loves them more for every Jew they kill, is a constant reminder of what a demented world we live in.

Re:Precision... (2, Insightful)

MrSteveSD (801820) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735564)

I really think Ashkelon (or al-Majdal before the 10,000 Arabs were ethnically cleansed in 1948) is a bigger issue. The population is a lot bigger (108,300 vs 19,800).

Also, has anyone of you ever seen the damage katyushas make? Calling those things rockets or spending money to intercept them is ludicrous.


They are pretty pathetic in terms of damage. However, their military value is in their psychological impact, and to a certain extent, economic impact (with everyone running to shelters several times a day). Hamas' thinking is that they will be able to use the rockets in response to future IDF attacks as a form of deterrent. It's a dangerous game.

They're going about it all wrong. (3, Funny)

Minwee (522556) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735158)

Toxic chemicals? Don't they know that it's possible to synthesize excited bromide in an argon matrix. Yes, its an excimer, frozen in its excited state.

It's a chemical laser but in solid, not gaseous, form. Put simply, in deference to you, Slashdot, it's like lasing a stick of dynamite. As soon as we apply a field we couple to a state, it is radiatively coupled to the ground state.

I figure we can extract at least 10 to the 21st photons per cubic centimeter which will give one kilojoule per cubic centimeter at 600 nanometers, or, one megajoule per liter.

Re:They're going about it all wrong. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22735182)

So, is that any good for popping corn?

Serriously? Israelis with FREAKING lasers! (1, Insightful)

txoof (553270) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735168)

The tit-for-tat Palestinian/Israeli thing is really getting old. I see this behavior in my 10 year-old students. One kid says something nasty, another one says something more nasty and eventually somebody gets shoved and then fists are flying. If the villagers get a death ray and start toasting Palestinians like ants, I can assure you that the Palestinians are going to fight back.

They're not going to just cry and go running home after a FREAKING laser attack. Oh no. You can bet that handfuls of Qassam missiles will rain down on a pretty regular basis. What Israel needs is a good read of Dr. Suse's Butter Battle Book [wikipedia.org] and have a sudden outbreak of common sense. Palestine needs to grow the hell up and stop acting like an angry child too.

Escalating weapons and violence rarely solve anything unless EVERYBODY is just charcoal in the bottom of a big-ass crater. Then the problem pretty much solves its self.

Re:Serriously? Israelis with FREAKING lasers! (3, Insightful)

Firethorn (177587) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735330)

They're not going to just cry and go running home after a FREAKING laser attack. Oh no. You can bet that handfuls of Qassam missiles will rain down on a pretty regular basis. What Israel needs is a good read of Dr. Suse's Butter Battle Book and have a sudden outbreak of common sense. Palestine needs to grow the hell up and stop acting like an angry child too.

Probably not, seeing as how the laser has been proposed as a strictly defensive weapon, to shoot down the rockets/missiles that are ALREADY raining down on a 'pretty regular basis'. Matter of fact, the citizens of the town could suddenly decide to start lobbing explosives back the other way and the attacks wouldn't increase significantly, as Palestine is already throwing as much as they can at them.

Re:Serriously? Israelis with FREAKING lasers! (1)

piojo (995934) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735338)

They're not going to just cry and go running home after a FREAKING laser attack. Oh no. You can bet that handfuls of Qassam missiles will rain down on a pretty regular basis.
The lasers are for intercepting projectiles, not for retaliation.

Re:Serriously? Israelis with FREAKING lasers! (1)

Karrde45 (772180) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735372)

Correct me if I read the situation wrong, but aren't the lasers meant to be anti-rocket lasers as opposed to anti-personnel lasers? The only way a Palestinian could get toasted like an ant would be to strap themselves to one of those rockets, in which case their chances of survival aren't really affected much by the presence or absence of Israeli lasers.

ISRAEL, WE BLESS THEE (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22735174)

Today, while driving through town, I wound up behind a minivan that had a big sticker on the back. The sticker had an Israeli flag in the middle of it, and under it the quotation from the book of Genesis that reads "I will bless those who bless thee."

I would like to take this time to list my own reasons for thanking and blessing Israel, our lone ally in the Middle East, for everything she has done for us, since I am quite sure most Americans are unaware of just what kind of friend she has been to us.

For extorting from me and my fellow Americans $4,000,000,000.00 a year for the last 4 decades, we bless thee.

For taking our most sophisticated weapons technology and stealing it for yourself without paying the American patent holders, we bless thee.

For taking that high-tech military technology and selling it to our enemies, such as the Russians and Chinese, thus further endangering us, we bless thee.

For using that weaponry in a sustained attack against a United States ship, the USS Liberty, in an attempt to sink her, thus preventing US servicemen from revealing to the rest of the world information concerning the war crimes they witnessed you commit against Egyptian soldiers in the Sinai Desert during the Six Day War, as well as for the purposes of dragging the US into yet another one of your murderous adventures, we bless thee.

For killing 35 and wounding 170 American sailors aboard the USS Liberty, we bless thee.

For bribing the United States government into covering it up, preventing any justice from being done for the benefit of the families of the lost sailors - as well as the American People, we bless thee.

For sending your agents into Egypt and blowing up American buildings for the purpose of blaming the Arabs in an event known as the Lavon Affair, we bless thee.

For sending your agents into Libya during the Reagan administration, and broadcasting radio messages in Arabic that were designed to sound like "terrorist cell planning" so that the US would initiate military strikes against Khadafi in an event known as Operation Trojan Horse, we bless thee.

For withholding information from us concerning the planned attacks against the US Marine barracks in Lebanon, attacks you knew about through your moles in the Islamic world and about which you deliberately refused to warn us in order to further your interests against the Arabs, we bless thee.

For employing Jonathon Pollard, an American serviceman paid to spy for Israel in order to steal even more of our National Security secrets for your parasitic purposes, we bless thee.

For blackmailing President Clinton through one of your sayanim, Monica Lewinsky, in order to prevent a coherent peace program from being pushed forward between yourself and the Palestinian people whom you have brutalized and murdered for the last 50 years, we bless thee.

For breaking every agreement you have made with your Arab neighbors, stealing their land, displacing, murdering, and treating them like the animals you see them as, we bless thee.

For using your agents within the first Bush administration to involve us in the first Gulf War, causing the deaths of American men and women, and exposing our servicemen to whatever bioweapons were and are responsible which have led to Gulf War Syndrome, we bless thee.

For your role in the September 11 attacks in this country, and for blackmailing and bribing the US government into deporting back to Israel the 100 or more intelligence agents that were arrested after the attacks, we bless thee.

For suppressing the information from the American people of your involvement in the September 11 attacks and sending us in the wrong direction in search of answers, we bless thee.

For using one of your agents in the US Army Weapons Lab to steal anthrax and distribute it into our mail system, terrorizing US citizens and killing several in order to blame the Arabs, we bless thee.

For using your agents in the US Government, namely, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, Abrams, and the rest into initiating this war in the Middle East so that you could bring to heel all the enemies you have made during the last 50 years, we bless thee.

For using your agents in the media to lie to us on a minute by minute basis about the war, lying to us as to how "just" this cause is, and what the real reasons behind it are, we bless thee.

For using your agents in the Christian Evangelical community, such as Falwell, Graham, Swaggert, Robertson and the rest who praise you as God's chosen people and further keep Americans in the dark about who you really are what you have done, and what you are truly about, we bless thee.

For bringing idiots like Limbaugh, Liddy, Hannity, Beck, O'Reilly and Savage to the forefront as paid liars who will support you and further lead Americans astray, we bless thee.

For making America your attack dog, and for sending her sons and daughters to fight and die in all your future wars, we bless thee.

For using your influence in the media to hide the real statistics about the war, the dead and wounded on both sides, we bless thee.

For using us in such a way that not only further inflames the Arab world against us, but as well has succeeded in our alienating ourselves against those nations with whom we have been friendly for over a century, we bless thee.

And finally, for using your influence in our media and academia to flood our minds with pornography and lies, as well as inculcating in us a hatred for our history, religion, and culture, for dividing our nation between races and sexes, and for releasing into our society all of your plagues and filth that have left us a rotted out corpse of a once great nation, oh Israel, our friend,

we bless thee.

2006 by Mark Glenn

crescentandcross@gmail.com

www.crescentandcross.com

  -Anyone interested in verification of some of the information contained in this piece should read either of ex-Mossad officer Victor Ostrovsky's books, 'By Way of Deception' and 'The Other Side of Deception' as well as ex-US Congressman Paul Findley's books 'Those Who Dare To Speak Out' and 'Deliberate Deceptions'

So how well did it actually do? (1)

dbIII (701233) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735206)

So how well did it actually do against the obsolete bargain basement Iranian missiles used in the recent war in Lebanon? I remember a fanfare before the war, lots of wild claims, hand waving and "don't you worry about that" as a response to any question. Then there was absolute silence when there was a perfect chance for live tests.

Does it actually work or does it only operate in the sort of tests that Mr Geller did to get his government funding?

Now it looks like a setup for "we could have saved you if it wasn't for those Communist Greenies". Waste management is not a show stopper in a place with an active nuclear weapons program.

Re:So how well did it actually do? (4, Informative)

Martin Blank (154261) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735436)

It's never been deployed, primarily for the logistical reasons mentioned. However, it's been extremely effective in tests, shooting down simultaneous salvos of artillery and even mortar shells fired in exercises. Katyusha rockets are even easier to hit.

The issue is range: THEL is effective only out to a few kilometers, and ideally a target would be destroyed over the launch territory. To protect a town of any decent size, several of these would have to be deployed, possibly within heavy rifle range of Palestinian buildings, and production costs could be several million dollars each. I'd still be interested to see the effects, particularly if Israel basically could deploy enough to cover the border with the Gaza Strip and then simply stop targeting the launch sites, which would reduce the number of incursions into Palestinian territory, and start moving the PR tide back the other way.

The best defense is a good offense (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22735212)

No other country in the world would be expected to sit by and be peppered with attacks like this. Why is Israel being forced to act defensively only, by intercepting rockets fired at it? Israel should strike back - carpet bomb the entire region where the attacks are coming from. It's their natural right - they have an inalienable right to defend itself using any means necessary. I just can't stand this notion that Israel must play by different rules that hold it to a higher standard than everyone else on the planet. Palestinians purposefully attack Israel's civilian population and the world says little or nothing; Israel attacks those who attack it and causes some limited collateral damage. Somehow all this gets twisted into being on equal moral footing. They are not, and it is wrong for Palestinians to attack Israel's population and then cry foul when Israel fights back, especially when Israel takes such care to minimize collateral damage. Palestinians, meanwhile, seek to create only collateral damage.

Criticism of Israeli Apartheid (0, Flamebait)

soccer_Dude88888 (1043938) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735258)

Criticism of illegitimate Apartheid-"Israel", which has no right to exist, cannot be regarded as anti-Semitic, even according to the international working definition of anti-Semitism that was accepted and adopted in 2005.
We only advocate the peaceful transformation of Palestine into one single, united, peaceful, democratic state from the river to the sea.

Furthermore, we would like to educate about the differences between "Zionism" "Judaism" and "Semitic People", which are three very distinct things that are not interchangeable. This is important because "Israelis" accuse people of anti-Semitism every time someone criticizes "Israel," not much unlike the way many call people that criticize Bush's policies anti-American.

The first one is easy; anyone can be a Zionist without being the other two. You can be a Muslim Arab and be Zionist. Many American Evangelical or born again Christians are Zionists.

Jewish but not Zionist: Many Jews, including Rabbis, and religious Jews oppose Zionism and believe that Judaism prohibits it (and it does. Zionism is a secular concept, and there are things in the Old Testament that forbid Zionism See http://jewsnotzionists.org/ [jewsnotzionists.org] . Many Jews protest against Zionism and "Israel" all the time, often in NY. Israel is very secular, with only about 5% of its population identifying themselves as religious. Orthodox Jews refuse to serve in the military of the Zionists because of their religious beliefs. Also see: http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/ [jewsagainstzionism.com] It also works the other way too; "Israel" barely tolerates Judaism and its actions go against the beliefs and teaching Judaism.

Jewish but not Semitic: Thirdly, a Semite is "a member of any of various ancient and modern peoples originating in southwestern Asia, including the Akkadians, Canaanites, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs" (dictionary.com). Arabs are Semites and are descendants of Abraham, unlike most Jews, who are mainly Europeans and Americans. So really, European Zionists who are racist towards Arabs are the ones who are "anti-Semitic". Lets not forget that Judaism began with Moses, not Abraham, and that Muslims and Christians also consider Abraham and Moses as their prophets. In fact, anyone can convert to Judaism and immediately become an "Israeli" citizen, under the law of "return". The utilization of the Star of David on the flag they use is also a tool so that Zionists could accuse opposition of being anti-Semitic. (Note: Zionists have a claimed a monopoly on "anti-semitism", alleging that the person who "coined" it intended it only for them. This is yet another Zionist myth. Anyone with an elementary education knows that adding the prefix "anti-" means "opposing" or "against", which is all this person did to the word "semitic")

80-90% of Jews today are "Ashkenazi " (which is the term for European Jews that are descendants of converts, unrelated to the original tribes of Israel, and speak Yiddish, not Hebrew). 80-90% of all Jews in the world today are not even Semites! In fact, in "Israel" Sefardic and Mizrachi Jews (Arab, Iranian, north African, or middle eastern Jews, for examples), the real Jews of the Torah, are discriminated against heavily in many aspects! Semitic Jews are aware of this fact, and that's why they don't go to "Israel" (or flee from "Israel") and choose to live in the United States OR EVEN STAY IN OTHER PARTS OF THE MIDDLE EAST over living in the Secular, non-Semitic, European-occupied territory!! Many of the Semitic Jews have been in Palestine for thousands of years, never even left Palestine and resisted & opposed the occupation of the European Zionists. Criticism of "Israel" cannot be regarded as anti-Semitic.

Anyway, aside from getting lost in this argument about whether they have actual ties to the country. lets stand back and look at the big picture.. Look at how ridiculous their justification is? And even if one buys it, they still can not justify the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians and oppression that ensues..

Criticizing "Israel" does not make a person an anti-Semite. This is political propaganda, some of which we have seen the Bush Administration use against Americans that criticize it. If you criticize the war or the administration they call you unpatriotic, un-American, a traitor, a terrorist/terrorist-sympathizer, etc... Zionists have been doing the same thing for decades, whenever anyone reports the truth about them or what they have done or are doing. You will find that people like Jimmy Carter and the staff of ifamericansknew.org actually use "Israeli" sources, so the facts they report are actually favored in favor of "Israel", if anything. They often even call Jews that speak the truth "self-hating", such as renowned historian Benny Morris, who actually is even a Zionist.

To silence critics, the other card they like to play along with calling people who speak the truth anti-Semitic, is to use the holocaust to silence critics of their own crime. The Holocaust did not happen in Palestine, and its very ironic to hear "Israelis" doing and saying the same things as the Nazis, including the defenses and excuses to justify it (e.g. "Necessity"). Read "THE HOLOCAUST INDUSTRY: REFLECTIONS ON THE EXPLOITATION OF JEWISH SUFFERING" By Norman Finkelstein, who is a Jew and son of Holocaust survivors that is disappointed with this exploitation of what his people went through (much like many families of victims feel that George Bush is exploiting 9/11 victims and disgracing them for his own agendas).

The British Mandate (i.e. "the UN") did not intend or realize that the Zionists wanted an exclusive Jewish homeland nor does the UN have the authority to create countries, especially since its own charter gives people an absolute right to self-determination and the right to return to their land.

Furthermore, "Israel" does not respect the UN, except when its in its favor. It has not fulfilled the condition for its entry into the UN. "Israel" has continued to violate United Nations' resolutions calling for its withdrawal from the Occupied Territories and other UN resolutions, totaling over 65 between 1955 up to 1992. They do not seek UN approval for anything they do or wars they wage or even allow the UN to investigate or watch what they do. Furthermore, "Israel" never met the conditions for its entry into the UN, which included the right to repatriation of Palestinian refugees and Internationalization of occupied Jerusalem. In fact, they have ethnically cleansed more Palestinians and stolen more land, and intensified the occupation of Jerusalem. East Jerusalem now has about 200,000 illegal "Israeli" settlers.

"Israel" also does not have defined borders or boundaries. "Israel" also does not adhere to the UN's principle of self-determination.

Politically incorrect solution (1)

Camel Pilot (78781) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735328)

How about a much cheaper solution that detects the number of incoming missiles and immediately launches an equal number and equally randomly targeted missiles in return. So that the point may sink in that firing such a missile is equivalent to firing on your own people.

Re:Politically incorrect solution (1)

jmac1492 (1036880) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735550)

Problem: The other side is already happily strapping bombs to themselves in addition to strapping the bombs to missiles so they can guide explosives to the targets manually. Under those conditions, Israel shooting at civilians isn't going to work.

Sadly, that's the biggest problem with the plan.

I worked on this project (5, Interesting)

karoberts (742374) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735346)

For about a year on the mobile version that was supposed to go on a series of containers on trucks. The cost was going into the hundreds of millions of dollars, and so the army cut the program. One reason was that insurgents in iraq weren't using mortars very often anymore, so there wasn't much use for such a system.

A few months later, hezbollah in Lebanon started firing katyushas again, oh well.

It was the most awesome project I've worked on so far. I actually got to see it take out mortars in flight on monitors while sitting in command and control 5 km away. (The system in new mexico doesn't have very good output scrubbers, so to avoid NF3 poisoning, humans have to be 5km away while it is firing.)

There's also more problems with it than just chemicals. For instance, the glass window in the front that the beam exits from costs 1 million dollars and takes a year to make (got to withstand a vacuum and a very powerful laser).

And the biggest problem is, they overwhelm it by sending lots of rockets, and then send several directly at the device itself. One rocket gets through, and there goes years of work and millions of dollars.

Anyway, thought the slashdot crowd might find some of that interesting.

Re:I worked on this project (2, Interesting)

Nimey (114278) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735512)

What was the rate of fire on that thing?

and then send several directly at the device itself.
By all accounts, these rockets are rather inaccurate. I get the impression that their CEP is several hundred feet.

Re:I worked on this project (1)

lee1026 (876806) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735544)

Well, I suppose you can overwhelm it and then send a more accurate missile to take it out. Or you can just fire a lot more at it.

Dr EvilJew Is Upset.... (1)

Skeetskeetskeet (906997) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735358)

You know, I have one simple request. And that is to have Jews with frickin' laser beams attached to their heads!

Now evidently my hebrew colleague informs me that that cannot be done. Ah, would you remind me what I pay you people for, honestly? Throw me a bagel here! What do we have?

Blue lasers are OK but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22735368)

Blue laser cannons are OK but wait till the terrorists start shooting their own *red* laser cannons.

Then the Israelis will know.
And knowing is half the battle.

Yo Joe.

Ray gun defenses are seriously overrated... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22735398)

Just ask this guy [wikipedia.org]

I have a workable solution (4, Interesting)

greyhueofdoubt (1159527) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735414)

The U.S. has a system that works pretty well in this kind of situation: The Phalanx CIWS, or the C-RAM system (very similar).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-RAM [wikipedia.org]

I won't say anything about its specifics, but I can tell you that it DOES work. It IS loud and you WILL crap your pants every time it goes off without warning, but that's a small price to pay for a WORKING product that shoots mortars and rockets out of the sky. This would be the perfect solution to their problem and frankly I'm surprised that I haven't heard more about it. Ah, I just answered my own question from my wiki link- it looks like they are in fact looking into these. Good for them.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1196847389509&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FPrinter [jpost.com]

I don't know what the retail is on these things, but I'm sure we could squeeze a few into the multi-billion-dollar defense support that we give to Israel every year.

-b

Re:I have a workable solution (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735556)

The aggressive party will just send thousands of fake mortars and make the thing fire 24/7 until it breaks.
Or the residence leave because of the noise.

NOW is the time for the evil scientist to show off a giant robot army, come on.

Trollin (0)

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Genetic Evidence of Jewish Ancestry (0, Offtopic)

soccer_Dude88888 (1043938) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735456)

BUILDING THE HYPOTHESIS
A genetic marker is a variation in the nucleotide sequence of the DNA,
known as a mutation. Mutations which occur within genes -- a part of
the DNA which codes for a protein usually cause a malfunction or disease,
and is lost due to selection in succeeding generations. However, mutations
found in so-called "non-coding regions" of the DNA tend to persist.
Since the (male) Y chromosome consists almost entirely of non-coding
DNA, it would tend to accumulate mutations. Since it is passed from father
to son without recombination, the genetic information on a Y chromosome
of a man living today is basically the same as that of his ancient male
ancestors, except for the rare mutations that occur along the hereditary
line. A combination of these neutral mutations, known as a haplotype,
can serve as a genetic signature of a man's male ancestry. Maternal
genealogies are also being studied by means of the m-DNA (mitrocondrial DNA), which is inherited only from the mother.
Dr. Skorecki then made contact with Professor Michael Hammer of the
University of Arizona, a leading researcher in molecular genetics and a pioneerin Y chromosome research. Professor Hammer uses DNA analysis to study the history of populations, their origins and migrations. His previous
research included work on the origins of the Native American Indians
and the development of the Japanese people.
A study was undertaken to test the hypothesis. If there is a common
ancestor, the Cohanim should have common genetic markers at a higher frequency than the general Jewish population.

ASTONISHING RESULTS
In the first study, as reported in the prestigious British science journal,
"Nature" (January 2, 1997), 188 Jewish males were asked to contribute
some cheek cells from which their DNA was extracted for study. Participants
from Israel, England and North America were asked to specify whether
they were a Cohen, Levi or Israelite, and to identify their family
background.

The results of the analysis of the Y chromosome markers of the Cohanim
and non-Cohanim were indeed significant. A particular marker (YAP-),
was detected in 98.5 percent of the Cohanim, and in a significantly lower
percentage of non-Cohanim.
In a second study, Dr. Skorecki and associates gathered more DNA samples
and expanded their selection of Y chromosome markers. Solidifying their
hypothesis of the common ancestor of Cohanim, they found that a particular
array of six chromosomal markers were found in 97 of the 106 Cohanim
tested. This collection of markers has come to be known as the Cohen
Modal Haplotype (CMH) -- the standard genetic signature of the Jewish
priestly family. The chances of these findings happening at random is
greater than one in 10,000.
The finding of a common set of genetic markers in both Ashkenazic and
Sephardic Cohanim worldwide clearly indicates an origin pre-dating the
separate development of the two communities around 1000 CE. Date calculation
based on the variation of the mutations among Cohanim today yields a
time frame of 106 generations from the ancestral founder of the line,
some 3,300 years, the approximate time of the exodus from Egypt, the
lifetime of Aaron the Cohen.

TRIBAL DESCENT
Professor Hammer was recently in Israel for the Jewish Genome Conference.
He confirmed that his findings are consistent: over 80 percent of
self-identified
Cohanim have a common set of markers. The finding that less than one-third
of the non-Cohen Jews who were tested possess these markers is not
surprising
to the geneticists. "Jewishness" is not defined genetically. Other Y
chromosomes can enter the Jewish gene pool through conversion or through
a non-Jewish father. Jewish status is determined by the mother. Tribe
membership follows the father's family line.
Calculations based on the high rate of genetic similarity of today's
Cohanim resulted in the highest "paternity-certainty" rate ever recorded
in population genetics studies -- a scientific testimony to family
faithfulness.

Wider genetic studies of diverse present-day Jewish communities show
a remarkable genetic cohesiveness. Jews from Iran, Iraq, Yemen, North
Africa and European Ashkenazim all cluster together with other Semitic
groups, with their origin in the Middle East. A common geographical origin
can be seen for all mainstream Jewish groups studied.
This genetic research has clearly refuted the once-current libel that

Ashkenazic Jews are not related to the ancient Hebrews, but are descendants
of the Kuzar tribe -- a pre-10th century Turko-Asian empire which reportedly
converted en masse to Judaism. Researchers compared the DNA signature
of the Ashkenazic Jews against those of Turkish-derived people, and found
no correspondence.

I wonder (4, Informative)

DaveAtFraud (460127) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735492)

I wonder if a lower tech weapon system wouldn't do. Something like a grid of Phalanx point defense systems. They can shoot down mortar rounds so the low tech stuff the Palestinian are firing should be even easier to hit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsnhyTiTqk4 [youtube.com]

A little more digging with Google indicates the system has already been fielded for that purpose. Just set up a perimeter and be careful about where the misses come down.

Cheers,
Dave

Worth Spending All This Money On (2, Insightful)

domukun367 (681095) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735546)

These centuries old disputes about whose pretend friend is actually real are definitely worth spending all these countless millions of dollars on and losing all these lives over.

Pewpew (1)

SheepLauncher (1025544) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735552)

But the toxic chemicals needed to generate THEL's megawatts of power made the thing a logistical nightmare. Well i suppose the environment can just take one for the team... Futhermore PEWPEW LASERZ!

In other news (1)

oceaniv (1243854) | more than 6 years ago | (#22735568)

Palestinians Sue Government For Laser Cannons "Residents of a southern Palestinian town want a real-life laser cannon to protect them against Israeli bomb, gun, mortar, physical settler attacks. And they're suing the Israeli national government, for failing to provide the ray gun defense. The U.S.-Israeli Tactical High Energy Laser project was widely considered to be the most successful energy weapon ever built. But the toxic chemicals needed to generate THEL's megawatts of power made the thing a logistical nightmare. It was scrapped. Now, the residents of Palestinian camps it back. And they're taking Prime Minister Ehud Olmert to court to make it happen." In other news: "The recent upsurge in violence saw at least 120 Palestinians killed in Israeli military strikes on Gaza. Five Israelis have also been killed, including a civilian in a barrage of rocket fire from Gaza." -http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7292676.stm Statistically speaking, I say the Palestinians may need the magic laser a tad more.
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