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Yahoo!/Microsoft Execs Meet For Round Two

Zonk posted more than 6 years ago | from the ready-steady-fight dept.

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psychosmyth writes "Microsoft's deal to Yahoo! is apparently back on the table. Yahoo execs met again with Microsoft early this past week to re-discuss the deal that fell through earlier. 'The gathering, first reported by The Wall Street Journal, gave Microsoft its first chance to sell Yahoo on the rationale for the proposed marriage since the software maker unveiled its plans six weeks ago. Since then, Yang has been exploring different ways to ward off Microsoft. The alternatives have included possible alliances with Internet search and advertising leader Google Inc., News Corp.'s MySpace.com and Time Warner Inc.'s AOL.' Microsoft is apparently still keeping all of its options open; a hostile take-over is not out of the question."

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bunch of redneck HONKEYS (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22766994)

yo

A fond farewell... (3, Insightful)

milsoRgen (1016505) | more than 6 years ago | (#22767018)

Funny thing is I've been using Yahoo! much more since this all started but it's just the beginning of the end for old Yahoo!. It is destined to slink back into the vast dark recesses of the tubes much like Excite, Lycos, Hotbot, Web Crawler, etc., etc.. All have before it. I certainly think Microsoft will help see to that in a much quicker fashion than Yahoo! could of done on it's own.

Re:A fond farewell... (5, Insightful)

rucs_hack (784150) | more than 6 years ago | (#22767166)

Maybe, but Yahoo isn't just a search engine, is it..

I don't think it's likely that yahoo will disappear, after all, it has a lot of customers. I don't think this will cure microsofts internet woes. They dropped that ball a long time ago, and yahoo have shown that they are no google. Buying them won't change much for either company.

Whatever happens, a lot of shareholders will become richer.

Re:A fond farewell... (3, Interesting)

vaderhelmet (591186) | more than 6 years ago | (#22767192)

I think most ./ers would be in the same pessimistic boat on this one. You're right, shareholders of both companies are likely to win no matter how this pans out. One thing to think about though is how will employees and customers (users) be affected? My money is going on "adversely".

Re:A fond farewell... (4, Interesting)

milsoRgen (1016505) | more than 6 years ago | (#22767244)

Maybe, but Yahoo isn't just a search engine, is it..
I guess your correct in that statement, but I tend to think of it as it was when I first started [archive.org] using it. Wasn't much more than a search engine with a directory attached back then, but now they have too much going on on their front page. Sure search.yahoo.com is good, but I am under the perception their priorities lie elsewhere...

I don't think it's likely that yahoo will disappear, after all, it has a lot of customers.
I don't think it will disappear either but I do think it will cease to be of any improtance rather quickly, only floated by whatever scheme Microsoft devises to get Windows users there. Default start pages and what have you, it wouldn't have to be that way, but I just don't see a world where Microsoft owns something like Yahoo, or Flickr and doesn't rebrand it and attempt a half assed integration into it's existing products.

Re:A fond farewell... (3, Insightful)

eebra82 (907996) | more than 6 years ago | (#22767546)

Sure search.yahoo.com is good, but I am under the perception their priorities lie elsewhere...
Their priorities are elsewhere. I can't say that Google is perfect in its results, but Yahoo has a big problem with multi word searches. The results on large search terms are generally good, but if you go for a smaller phrase, you get far more nonsense than Google's results. Even worse, if you go for smaller phrases with at least two words, you get even worse results. Maybe the average Yahoo user doesn't care about it, but check out SEO forums and you'll see how aggravated people are over this.

OK OK, Microsoft! (1)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 6 years ago | (#22769158)

"We get it! We'll take it with the lubrication, now!"

Re:A fond farewell... (0)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 6 years ago | (#22767840)

What I'm going to freaking hate is whatever they do to Yahoo Mail. I honestly tried to like Gmail but it is just too damned much like chat.I like my folders,Dang it! Now they'll turn Yahoo Mail into "Windows Live 3.0 Basic" and it'll be a bloated hog beast with really stupid ads and pointless crap.


So does anyone know of a free webmail that still actually has folders and isn't a bloated MSFT beast? I got tired REAL quick of spending 40+ minutes downloading the spam folder with a regular email client,plus they are just too big a PITA when you are on the go.Surely there has to be a free webmail besides Google and bloated pig beast.Anyone? And yes I'm old and like things with folders,so get of my lawn before I turn the hose on you! Stupid kids with their chatty emails.

Re:A fond farewell... (1)

Phurge (1112105) | more than 6 years ago | (#22768324)

good point. any tips on how to migrate out of yahoo mail?

Re:A fond farewell... (1)

Dan Schulz (1144089) | more than 6 years ago | (#22769008)

good point. any tips on how to migrate out of yahoo mail?
Do what I'm going to do if/when this old-school corporate thug style hostile takeover goes through. Just run everything you use on Yahoo! through your own Web site. Mail, RSS feeds, news syndication, EVERYTHING you can (though in my case the only real casualty would be Yahoo! Instant Messenger, but I already use MSN as well as AIM and ICQ on Trillian anyway so that will be no real big loss should this go through and regulators give the hostile takeover the A-OK).

Re:A fond farewell... (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 6 years ago | (#22779954)

Well,I'm switching to communitymail.net.They have 100mb mail limit(which is fine for me),plenty of features,and have a nice webmail(with folders!).Now I just need to copy my yahoo contacts over before MSFT takes over.I just don't trust them not to go Symantec on Yahoo mail.But as always my 02c,YMMV.

Re:A fond farewell... (1)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 6 years ago | (#22769654)

I might be reaching a bit but the "jumping happy yahoo logo guy" looks a bit like a rotated Yellow Sign. Perhaps Microsoft isn't the only IT company backed by a Great Old One.

http://www.miskatonic.net/pickman/mythos/prop/ysig1.jpg [miskatonic.net]

Re:A fond farewell... (1)

myowntrueself (607117) | more than 6 years ago | (#22768466)

Maybe, but Yahoo isn't just a search engine, is it..

No, its also a huge, gigantic joke.

One of New Zealands 'largest' ISPs (Xtra) dropped their in-house email system some time ago and converted it all to Yahoo mail.

Since then there have been ongoing problems sending email to Xtra users.

Yahoo mails smtp server appears to be running qmail.

*rimshot*

roflmao Yahoo, qmail, Xtra!

Goatse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22767500)

Ggooaattssee [twofo.co.uk]

You nerds love it.

Re:A fond farewell... (1)

donweel (304991) | more than 6 years ago | (#22768056)

We are the goon squad and we're coming to town, BEEP BEEP

Re:A fond farewell... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22768778)

I have been using yahoo email for many years. I have been storing interesting hobby ideas in the yahoo notes, and participating in yahoo groups. I fear that all this is going away when M$ takes over. They are going to trash all of the wonderful FREE offerings that Yahoo has been giving us for so many years....I hope GMail will mature in the same fashion as Yahoo has.

Re:A fond farewell... (1)

vuffi_raa (1089583) | more than 6 years ago | (#22774178)

Funny thing is I've been using Yahoo! much more since this all started but it's just the beginning of the end for old Yahoo!.
I don't know- as a search utility yahoo has been second rate for a long time, but yahoo mail, yahoo/sbc/at&t braoadband is a publuc utility and flickr which was purchased a little while back is certainly alive- as well yahoo news is still a pretty big news source

The empire strikes back (3, Funny)

ViralInfection (1221188) | more than 6 years ago | (#22767026)

Oh not again...

Re:The empire strikes back (1)

sadler121 (735320) | more than 6 years ago | (#22768298)

What does palpatine have to do with Locutus?

Isn't it about time... (4, Funny)

The Ancients (626689) | more than 6 years ago | (#22767028)

...Balmer threw his toys (i.e. chair) out of the cot?

I'd wear full motocross protective gear if I was Yang.

Re:Isn't it about time... (5, Interesting)

flyingsquid (813711) | more than 6 years ago | (#22767228)

The gathering, first reported by The Wall Street Journal, gave Microsoft its first chance to sell Yahoo on the rationale for the proposed marriage since the software maker unveiled its plans six weeks ago. Since then, Yang has been exploring different ways to ward off Microsoft. The alternatives have included possible alliances with Internet search and advertising leader Google Inc.

When they use the words "proposed marriage" to describe a Yahoo/Microsoft merger, it reminds me of an old Western melodrama. You know: the villain has managed to buy the local bank, so now he owns the mortgage on the girl's farm, and she has to marry him, or watch him forclose on her beloved farm and turn her out into the cold...

"Things are looking dire for Miss Yahoo! Will she be forced to offer her hand in marriage to the dastardly Cornelius Microsoft, to save her farm and herself? The very thought is too much for her weak constitution, and her stock price swoons! Cornelius, in the bank office, clutches the mortgage in his bony fingers, then twists his long, black moustache. He throws a chair across the office, laughing in triumph. But who is that figure silhouetted against the horizon? That handsome, broad-shouldered man wearing a white hat and riding a white stallion? The reflected sun shines from the gleaming sheriff's badge on his chest, which reads, 'Don't be evil'. But can he possibly come soon enough to save the fair Miss Yahoo? Next week, the exciting finale!"

Of course, it's a serial. So the next episode ends in a cliffhanger, with Microsoft tying Yahoo to the train tracks as Google races to get there in time...

Re:Isn't it about time... (1)

positiveexperience (1070518) | more than 6 years ago | (#22768160)

man, what a beautiful story!

Re:Isn't it about time... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22768566)

+1 Thumbs up, from me.

Now, since this is Slashdot, can you please turn it into a car analogy so we can understand it? Thanks.

Re:Isn't it about time... (1)

rtb61 (674572) | more than 6 years ago | (#22771010)

The modern reality of Yahoo forcing M$ into a hostile takeover is simply that M$ is forced to up it offer and shift it to a cash only. So The longer Yahoo can stretch it out and the more M$ is forced to commit and place it's prestige upon success, the better the return for Yahoo shareholders.

As for M$'s competitors the longer it takes and the more money M$ blows on the deal the batter off they are and then there is of course the added benefit that all those customers of Yahoo who use them in preference to M$ will immediately switch to another company to get away from M$, added to that staff who will jump to another company rather than waiting to be pushed, as the aggresive anti-customer MSN staff seek to protect their jobs in the merger.

Re:Isn't it about time... (1)

martin-boundary (547041) | more than 6 years ago | (#22770260)

...Balmer threw his toys (i.e. chair) out of the cot?
Tziiiinnnng! Oh no! Not the comfy chair!

Make up your mind (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22767072)

Either you clean off Yahoo!'s punctuation or you don't. Title+summary has 2 of each kind.

if it happens (4, Interesting)

FudRucker (866063) | more than 6 years ago | (#22767120)

i hope this costs microsoft a freight train full of money, so much that it hurts microsoft and weakens them to the point that they can not buy anything else for a long long time...

Re:if it happens (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22767290)

i hope this costs microsoft a freight train full of money, so much that it hurts microsoft and weakens them to the point that they can not buy anything else for a long long time...

I'm sorry... WTF? ...do you know how much <expletive> money they have at Microsoft? So much money they could buy both Iraq and Iran and then force them to be buddies if they wanted to.

Re:if it happens (1)

tristian_was_here (865394) | more than 6 years ago | (#22767414)

Why does Microsoft own shares in Iraq's and Iran's oil?

Re:if it happens (4, Informative)

j79zlr (930600) | more than 6 years ago | (#22767694)

Microsoft's current net assets are $22 billion [yahoo.com] , that is half of what the Yahoo deal would have cost. They are offering stock options to Yahoo to cover the rest I believe.

Re:if it happens (1)

martin-boundary (547041) | more than 6 years ago | (#22770284)

They can also reorganize Yahoo and sell off its less profitable assets after the merger.

Re:if it happens (1, Informative)

westlake (615356) | more than 6 years ago | (#22767866)

i hope this costs microsoft a freight train full of money, so much that it hurts microsoft and weakens them to the point that they can not buy anything else for a long long time...

Microsoft's second quarter profits were $4.71 billion dollars. The company is debt free with $20 billion in liquid reserves. A freight train full of money? "Take a ride on the Reading." Microsoft owns the railroad.

Good luck Yahoo (0, Troll)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 6 years ago | (#22767190)

If you should merge with MS, it will be used to tear apart the Internet. For all intents and purposes, this would be the endgame. The reason is that MS would assimilate the bulk of Yahoo's customers to add to their base. From there they would then move on to block Google and Linux. Sadly, I believe that this would work for them. Obviously, MS believes the same.

Troll? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22767328)

Oh, I love that. The simple reality is that MS would not buy Yahoo unless they believed it help them to take on what they consider their greatest threats; Google and Linux. They know that they can take out Apple on the desktop anytime they want to. But they have not been able to take out either Google or Linux. They also are taking Apple to court saying that Apple is using their mp3 player monopoly as a way to block MS.

The grand scheme.... (1)

iknownuttin (1099999) | more than 6 years ago | (#22767596)

If you should merge with MS, it will be used to tear apart the Internet. For all intents and purposes, this would be the endgame. The reason is that MS would assimilate the bulk of Yahoo's customers to add to their base. From there they would then move on to block Google and Linux. Sadly, I believe that this would work for them. Obviously, MS believes the same.

Ah, but you're missing the grand scheme, sir. The rule of the internet is only one prong of the strategy. The primary goal is the eventual take over of the World by Microsoft. This is just one small step on the corporate level. On the social level is the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation. See, they're in Africa, helping those people who are becoming indebted to MS. They will buy their products and one day, fight in her armies. Yes, that is correct. We are seeing beginnings of the corporate armies and corporate rule of the World as predicted in Robert Heinlein's "Friday". Who's to stop MS? IBM, Apple, Google, and possibly SUN and Oracle (ellsion's son is already making military propaganda films [imdb.com] See Flyboys [actually a good movie!]...).

I could go on, but I'm running out of space and the lights on my router are blinking ....they're on to me again...got to run!

Illiad sez... (2, Funny)

TheSHAD0W (258774) | more than 6 years ago | (#22767198)

"Teh caek is a lie!" [userfriendly.org]

Re:Illiad sez... (-1, Flamebait)

RLiegh (247921) | more than 6 years ago | (#22767376)

No-one's cared what Illiad says for a very long time now. Srsly, guy, lrn2draw or GTFO.

What would MS do with FoxyTunes? (0, Offtopic)

Pichu0102 (916292) | more than 6 years ago | (#22767232)

You know, that Firefox extension that is now owned by Yahoo? They might just make the extension uninstall, but a more dangerous possibility would be that they could use the auto-update features of Firefox extensions to brick installations of Firefox, as a forceful measure to get people back to IE. Question is, could they legally do something like that, or even morally?

Re:What would MS do with FoxyTunes? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22767286)

Morally? This is company. It does not have conscience. They can always claim honest mistake and then take a month to 'properly investigate and fix the problem'. And then use it as an example why Firefox is insecure compared to IE.

Re:What would MS do with FoxyTunes? (1)

tsa (15680) | more than 6 years ago | (#22767316)

That won't work. People will just deinstall the plugin and keep using FF.

Re:What would MS do with FoxyTunes? (1)

petermgreen (876956) | more than 6 years ago | (#22767424)

first of all who uses foxytunes, I don't think i've ever see a firefox install with it in use.

secondly if MS wanted to cripple firefox they could do so far more easilly through say windows update.

Re:What would MS do with FoxyTunes? (4, Insightful)

koh (124962) | more than 6 years ago | (#22768152)

secondly if MS wanted to cripple firefox they could do so far more easilly through say windows update.
Granted, GP was quite over the top, but his point still stands. Indeed, let's assume for a while that (somewhere in another dimension), MS does cripple Firefox through FoxyTunes using Windows Update. That situation leads to very different outcomes before and after an eventual MS/Y! merger:

Before the merger:

Joe R. Hacker of the Many Eyes: Firefox is crippled under Vista, also under XP with mandatory update KB66642 installed.
Fred Quux of the Firefox Bug Dispatchers: Does this occur in safe mode? If it does not, can you pinpoint the add-on that is causing the crippling?
JRH: Thanks. The crippling is in FoxyTunes.
FQ: I really can't do anything about that. You have to get the FoxyTunes maintainers to fix it.
JRH: That's okay, it's Yahoo!. I'll file a bug.
Y!: After some debugging, it looks like both Vista and KB66642 have an API bug that leads to a buffer overflow in our extension. We're fixing this and making some fuss about it with MS, because it may break some other extension and we would hate that.

After the merger:

JRH: Firefox is crippled under Vista, also under XP with mandatory update KB66642 installed.
FQ: Does this occur in safe mode? If it does not, can you pinpoint the add-on that is causing the crippling?
JRH: Thanks. The crippling is in FoxyTunes.
FQ: I really can't do anything about that. You have to get the FoxyTunes maintainers to fix it.
JRH: That's okay, it's Microsoft. I'll file a... Oh, wait...

<GP_level_paranoia>
MS: We're aware of this problem but we can't fix it. It is due to a flaw in the Firefox platform.
JRH: Are you kidding me? FoxyTunes worked fine when Yahoo! was making it!
MS: Maybe. However, the latest release of FoxyTunes has to interface with the TPM and DRM/DBD layers of XP and Vista, and unfortunately it triggers a buffer overflow in the pitiful Firefox add-on APIs. We can't fix it.
JRH: You know what? I'm having an RMS/ESR moment. Please stay in line as I reach for my katana and my Uzi.
MS: Just for the record, ExplorerTunes under IE8 is outstanding. It has so many more features, it's pretty, and it just works!
JRH: Screw you. I'm forking FoxyTunes.
MS: Please do that. Our patent lawyers are hungry.
</GP_level_paranoia>

can't blame yhoo folks for trying to get more $$$ (1)

n1_111 (597775) | more than 6 years ago | (#22767248)

that is the only thing that held this back so far.

Inside the Negotiations (1)

192939495969798999 (58312) | more than 6 years ago | (#22767254)

Yahoo to Microsoft: "Put a one and two zeros in front of that or we walk!"

Re:Inside the Negotiations (2, Funny)

milsoRgen (1016505) | more than 6 years ago | (#22767372)

"Great! How much do we have now?"

"One hundred pesos!"

Flickr (1)

tsa (15680) | more than 6 years ago | (#22767298)

I already deactivated my Flickr account. MS has enough of my money.

Re:Flickr (1)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 6 years ago | (#22767308)

WTF? Why do that before a takeover?

Re:Flickr (2, Interesting)

KwKSilver (857599) | more than 6 years ago | (#22768038)

MS has made it plain that this is an offer that Yahoo! can't refuse. As soon as I heard about MS's intent to force it, I closed my Yahoo! e-mail acct. I'd only opened it a day or two before MS made this offer, so there was nothing important there, anyway. Since MS is going to force this on Yahoo! it is only a matter of time. Plus, I'd expect that the first order of business after a takeover would be to make using Yahoo's services intolerable for BSD and Linux users, which I am. Why wait?

Re:Flickr (2, Interesting)

tsa (15680) | more than 6 years ago | (#22769182)

Because I had a Pro account that was expiring and I thought I'd wait until the uncertainty about the takeover is over before paying again. ;)

Re:Flickr (1)

SeaFox (739806) | more than 6 years ago | (#22769214)

If he waits until afterwards, Microsoft may already have access to his personal information.

Re:Flickr (1, Insightful)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 6 years ago | (#22767504)

I already deactivated my Flickr account. MS has enough of my money.
Really? How much were they charging you?

 

Re:Flickr (3, Informative)

edalytical (671270) | more than 6 years ago | (#22767564)

Flickr has a paid service that charges $24.95 a year.

Re:Flickr (1)

tsa (15680) | more than 6 years ago | (#22770410)

Yep. That's what they were charging me.

Re:Flickr (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22768132)

Haha, keep raging against the machine.

Re:Flickr (1)

jo42 (227475) | more than 6 years ago | (#22772452)

If Messysoft acquires Yahoo I'll cancel ALL of our Yahoo services. More and more I wish Microsoft would, just like dog p00p, dry up and blow away.

The REAL reason (3, Funny)

overshoot (39700) | more than 6 years ago | (#22767464)

Steve wants the bang: Micro!Soft!

Re:The REAL reason (1)

ruiner13 (527499) | more than 6 years ago | (#22769962)

I think the new should be called "Microhoo!". I kind of suspect that's what people call Ballmer behind his back (they'd do it in front of him but don't want a chair thrown at them).

Forget Yahoo, Microsoft is screwing up! (4, Insightful)

erroneus (253617) | more than 6 years ago | (#22767600)

There is very little that Microsoft has bought that didn't turn to crap and die. (Yes, I acknowledge there are some things that have done rather well, but they were already doing well before Microsoft got them and even then somehow the majority of those surviving have gotten a bit worse.)

Yahoo will always be second or third place to Google. Microsoft made their attempt with MSN. It's crap and never caught on. Yahoo and all of its things, while many are still vibrant, are generally too spammy to be useful any longer. (I can't tell you how many groups I had joined only to become flooded with unending spam even after leaving those groups!)

I simply cannot imagine with Microsoft's history of misunderstanding the internet (primarily they somehow don't get that they can't control or guide the internet in any successful way) and Yahoo's failure to maintain its dominance or communities that they can somehow put something together that will compete with Google.

Microsoft is just wasting money.

Re:Forget Yahoo, Microsoft is screwing up! (2, Insightful)

dhavleak (912889) | more than 6 years ago | (#22769484)

There is very little that Microsoft has bought that didn't turn to crap and die. (Yes, I acknowledge there are some things that have done rather well, but they were already doing well before Microsoft got them and even then somehow the majority of those surviving have gotten a bit worse.)
  • Bungie Studios (even happily spun off as a healthy independant game studio now)
  • Visio Corp. (I assume you're familiar with Visio?)
  • Groove Networks (their CEO is now the Cheif Technology Architect at MS - Ray Ozzie himself
  • Ensemble Studios (Age of Empires, and soon, Halo Wars)
  • Rare Inc. (Perfect Dark Zero)
Note that many acquisitions probably get integrated and the products renamed for branding purposes (for example, Viridian which ends up being MS's Virtualization solution). Just because they disappeared from the news doesn't mean they aren't thriving.

Yahoo will always be second or third place to Google.
Yahoo is currently in second, and MS is currently in third. They expect to remain there for some time.

Microsoft made their attempt with MSN. It's crap and never caught on.
MS knows that. Why do you think they are trying to acquire yahoo?

Yahoo and all of its things, while many are still vibrant, are generally too spammy to be useful any longer. (I can't tell you how many groups I had joined only to become flooded with unending spam even after leaving those groups!)
Google groups don't have spam?
Anyway, that's besides the point. MS is aware of yahoo's issues (did you stop to read about the acquisition offer a bit before you posted your rant?). MS needs Yahoo's users and its brands to be able to at least get a foot in the door.

I simply cannot imagine with Microsoft's history of misunderstanding the internet (primarily they somehow don't get that they can't control or guide the internet in any successful way) and Yahoo's failure to maintain its dominance or communities that they can somehow put something together that will compete with Google.
I agree with you -- this is not going to be easy to pull off, and the odds (and their track record) are against MS. Nothing from the press releases or Ballmer/Gates interviews suggests that they are unaware of this though. Being aware of your failings is a very important step in rectifying them.

Microsoft is just wasting money.
Perhaps.

Re:Forget Yahoo, Microsoft is screwing up! (1)

Lunatrik (1136121) | more than 6 years ago | (#22770130)

Rare Inc. (Perfect Dark Zero)
For the most part I agree, but using Rare as an example of a company that succeeded after Microsoft purchased it? Thats one heck of a joke. Prior to its purchase, Rare was creating some of the most outstanding (and genre-defining) games on the market: Goldeneye, Banjo Kazooie, Perfect Dark, Donkey Kong 64 all jump to mind. They pushed the envelope, and did it well. Alas, The old Rare is missed.

Re:Forget Yahoo, Microsoft is screwing up! (1)

dhavleak (912889) | more than 6 years ago | (#22771036)

For the most part I agree, but using Rare as an example of a company that succeeded after Microsoft purchased it? Thats one heck of a joke...
Possibly.. I just mentioned some stuff of the top of my head..

Re:Forget Yahoo, Microsoft is screwing up! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22770628)

MS needs Yahoo's users and its brands to be able to at least get a foot in the door.

If MS buys Yahoo I'm moving to Google. I wonder how many Yahoo users would jump ship as well.

Re:Forget Yahoo, Microsoft is screwing up! (1)

dhavleak (912889) | more than 6 years ago | (#22771032)

MS needs Yahoo's users and its brands to be able to at least get a foot in the door.

If MS buys Yahoo I'm moving to Google. I wonder how many Yahoo users would jump ship as well.
Most web users aren't geeks like us - they won't even be aware that MS acquired Yahoo. For those that are, most will not care (one way or the other) unless they are actually impacted in some way (positive or negative). What remains is a small percentage of people like us that know and care (at least enough to have this conversation) but even among us there isn't concensus on defection.

Re:Forget Yahoo, Microsoft is screwing up! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22773472)

Sorry but Rare's efforts have been crap so far with Microsoft. This is not the same Rare from back in the Nintendo days, not all of the same people are involved. And what is Groove Networks doing for MS right now?

Also, if MS buys Yahoo, that automatically makes them second place by default. Isn't this just giving MS the chance to get ahead of themselves with hype in regards to this?

Altered software (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22767618)

Jeez, just the threat of MS buying them is causing people to stop using the software. This isn't the first time I've had to stop using a software or service because it got changed once either the rights got sold or the company got bought out. Hearing about this makes me glad I use FOSS. Software you depend on could be altered or unsupported because of the uncertainty of business. Even if you are guaranteed support for a certain time, after that all bets are off because they don't have to renew the support. Yes you can use an earlier version, but that only works for so long on a proprietary platform unless you rely on emulation or re-implementation of an API, that's if the software developers didn't cripple it with some sort of time limit or something.

The geek casts a small shadow (0, Flamebait)

westlake (615356) | more than 6 years ago | (#22767912)

Jeez, just the threat of MS buying them is causing people to stop using the software.

there is nothing more pathetic on this earth than the geek's misunderstanding of his significance in the mass consumer market.

Migration headache (3, Interesting)

rice_burners_suck (243660) | more than 6 years ago | (#22767974)

I have this feeling that one of the terms of this deal will require Yahoo! to dump all its FreeBSD-based technology and migrate their entire system to Microsoft's newest Windows Server. This deal will undoubtedly create the same sort of chaos that ensued when Microsoft switched Hotmail's systems in the same manner, since there is this rule that goes something like, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Making such a large-scale migration is sure to create nothing but chaos until after completed and after all the bugs have been ironed out, and the only benefit is that Microsoft can later brag about how Yahoo!'s entire system runs on Windows. There can be no other benefit since the system evidently works fine under FreeBSD.

Re:Migration headache (1)

dhavleak (912889) | more than 6 years ago | (#22769318)

Actually, they have already stated in their press releases that initial integration will only be for things that make sense (plugging in MS's ad platform and search). This is painless and completely transparent to the end user. Later integration will be done on a case-by-case basis where it makes sense. Areas where future scalability and technologies are important will definitely be migrated to windows server, but not migrated for its own sake. I'm obviously paraphrasing, but they've repeated stuff to this effect several times.

Note that migrating to windows server makes sense for MS even for scalability reasons, even when you consider BSDs capabilities. Why would MS invest any effort on a different platform than the one they know the best?

Re:Migration headache (1)

hachete (473378) | more than 6 years ago | (#22771952)

The assertions that MS make are assertions only - I'd treat them with the caution they deserve rather than the solid-gold statements you seem to think they are - and I don't care how often they repeat things in public. Repeating them won't make them come true. The Hotmail case is a tried and tested example of their work.

So, just how much are MS paying you to catch flak on /. today?

Re:Migration headache (1)

dhavleak (912889) | more than 6 years ago | (#22775736)

...and I don't care how often they repeat things in public...
Neither do I. Slashdot posts, repeating ad-infinum that MS will rip out BSD and replace it with Windows Server without reason, doesn't make that prediction true either.

So, let's assume the following:
  - press releases aren't worth much, for predicting what MS will do
  - /. posts aren't worth much, for predicting what MS will do
  - a little logical analysis however, is worth something

Now with these assumptions, if MS invests 44B in something, logic says they will want that investment to come good. Following that logic, the phased replacements I described in my original post make sense, and I merely pointed out that MS has stated that this is their intent.

The Hotmail case is a tried and tested example of their work.
I'm not sure I follow.. Sure hotmail isn't as good as gmail, but are you implying that its a failure, or that MS has somehow run it into the ground since its acquisition?

So, just how much are MS paying you to catch flak on /. today?
-1, Troll.

Zombies (2, Funny)

Aegis Runestone (1248876) | more than 6 years ago | (#22768558)

MS to Yahoo!: "All we want to do is eat your brains, we're not trying to be unreasonable and eat your eyes..." :P

Re:Zombies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22768714)

Resistance is Futile. Prepare to be assimilated. Comply!

Shit! (1)

PenguinGuy (307634) | more than 6 years ago | (#22768846)

Now I have to start moving all of my Yahoo email stuff over to Gmail...I'll miss the folders options that yahoo has, but maybe the flag thing that Gmail uses will be better.

Yahoo has some good add-on services (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22768896)

I especially like their personals ads service. I live in a metro area of about a million people and Yahoo consistently has the most women in my area and the friendliest ones. I guess thats the result of not marketing yourself as some high end match making service. They just do the basics. You are left to the details.

I imagine MS will screw all this up in some way. They probably will abandon Python and FreeBSD. Replacing Python will take years of new coding of some MS developed scripting language and abandoning FreeBSD will triple their need for servers. Each server will have 50% uptime.

A hostile take-over is not out of the question? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22769050)

Maybe its about time the members of the European Union voting to sieze all of M$'s assets. They are an illegal worldwide monopoly and anything short of doing so will allow them to continue to be a monopoly. When they are done there, they should continue and arrest Bill Gate$, $teve Ballmer, and all others who owns at least 1% of the total stock then extradite them to any country of the European Union.

FUCK M$.

Warding off Microsoft (2, Interesting)

The Famous Brett Wat (12688) | more than 6 years ago | (#22769302)

Yang has been exploring different ways to ward off Microsoft.

TFA doesn't say whether he's tried such approaches as garlic, holy water, etc. What is the appropriate ward against Microsoft, anyhow? Come to think of it, I suspect it might be the GPL: their attitude towards GPL'd software is a lot like a vampire's reaction to a cross. So if Yahoo really wants to ward off Microsoft, they should spin off some of their software into a GPL project run by a separate non-profit entity, something like the Mozilla Foundation [mozilla.org] . Microsoft will recoil in horror. (Not that Yahoo has any software the rest of us would care to see, so far as I'm aware -- but that's beside the point.)

Re:Warding off Microsoft (1)

psychosmyth (1222402) | more than 6 years ago | (#22771914)

Great comments! I'm honored.
I belive it's just "the sound of inevitibility".
Monopolies just get addicted to power and any threat makes them tremble with fear
which,as many great shrinks will tell you, leads to aggresion. Yikes.

Re:Warding off Microsoft (1)

mudshark (19714) | more than 6 years ago | (#22777498)

Actually, for web app developers using AJAX and DOM scripting, the YUI Widgets [yahoo.com] are a great resource and are all under a BSD license. Yahoo also owns Zimbra, an open source (not GPL) mail and groupware server that has made some inroads on the MS Exchange hegemony.

Save Flickr! (3, Interesting)

Fishbulb (32296) | more than 6 years ago | (#22770548)

Please GOD, if anyone at Yahoo! is reading this:

SELL OFF FLICKR FIRST!

It's one of the few sites I kinda like.

Why Yahoo (1)

dave87656 (1179347) | more than 6 years ago | (#22770734)

I'm not an MS fan, but what does Yahoo really have that MS would get through the deal. Just the mere purchase of Yahoo by MS will turn off alot of Yahoo advertisers. MS already has all the elements that Yahoo has via their "live" brand which seems to be more modern than Yahoo's search.

So what does MS really expect to gain?

The funny thing about this.. (1)

Kazoo the Clown (644526) | more than 6 years ago | (#22777624)

It seems to me that essentially Microsoft is trying to buy their way out of what is a fundamental problem with their corporate culture. The *reason* their products are crap is they don't understand how to inspire their troops to excellence and resort to browbeating them instead. Buying out Yahoo isn't going to fix that, it'll just drag Yahoo down to their level.

del.icio.us bookmarks! (1)

kc2keo (694222) | more than 6 years ago | (#22779482)

I said this before but here it goes again: I hope I continue to have access to delicious bookmarks for the long run. I would be disappointed should that fall apart. Then I'd have to find another bookmark service like that. I love accessing my bookmarks from anywhere :-)
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