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HTC Shift + ThinkPad X300 + MacBook Air = Perfect Notebook?

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 6 years ago | from the pipe-dreams dept.

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Tom's Hardware has an interesting look at the HTC Shift, the newest contender in the ultralight portable arena, with a strong compare and contrast to the other two heavyweights, the ThinkPad X300 and the Macbook Air. "As some of you know, I actually like the Macbook Air but found the Lenovo ThinkPad X300 to be a vastly more useful product in the class. I'm one of the few folks that have been using an early version of the HTC Shift , a smaller screened ultra light tablet with a keyboard and a touch screen which is superior to both offerings in some ways and just released on Amazon.com for $1500 (someone screwed up, this wasn't supposed to happen until next week). This got me thinking: The perfect next generation ultra-sexy notebook should be a blend of all three products."

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Heavyweights? (4, Funny)

Microlith (54737) | more than 6 years ago | (#22822988)

the other two heavyweights, the ThinkPad X300 and the Macbook Air.

Shouldn't that be "lightweights?"

Re:Heavyweights? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22823130)

I believe this is what is commonly known as "a joke".

Re:Heavyweights? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#22828040)

I believe the post you replied to was also one of those.

He really wants a EEE PC. (1)

Mactrope (1256892) | more than 6 years ago | (#22822996)

There's so much wrong with this thing. A thumbpad that sits to the right. A EEE PC sized screen to run Vista or a hardware switch that turns it into Windows Mobil, aka a cell phone. Why not just get what he really wants for $400?

It's got is WAN but those should be available for EEE as a USB device. Is there anything this can do that EEE does not?

Re:He really wants a EEE PC. (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 6 years ago | (#22823178)

A thumb pad should be on the right. Having a thumb pad has always been stupid..except for aliens with an arm growing out of their chest.

Re:He really wants a EEE PC. (1)

Em Adespoton (792954) | more than 6 years ago | (#22823292)

A thumb pad should be on the right hand side for that 85% of the population who are right-hand dominant at a computer -- they put it in the center as a compromise for the other 10% who are left-hand dominant. The remaining 5% couldn't care less where it is, but probably prefer anywhere but the middle :)

I'll tell you... it's next to impossible to use one of those "ergonomic" mice with your left hand. As I fall in the 5% category, I just go with the majority however.

Re:He really wants a EEE PC. (3, Insightful)

croddy (659025) | more than 6 years ago | (#22823736)

no, think about it for a second -- put your fingers on home row. where is your thumb? a thumb pad always belongs in the middle, whether you're left-handed or right.

Re:He really wants a EEE PC. (1)

thegnu (557446) | more than 6 years ago | (#22825702)

there you go again, injecting logic into the debate. sheesh.

Re:He really wants a EEE PC. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22823374)

It's got is WAN but those should be available for EEE as a USB device.
A USB dongle with a whole internet?

Re:He really wants a EEE PC. (3, Insightful)

MrHanky (141717) | more than 5 years ago | (#22828286)

No, the writer is Rob Enderle, the guy who defended SCO against the evil Linux copycats (and praised the VROOM-VROOM start-up sound on his Acer Ferrari). I doubt he wants to use a 'free software scam' like the Eee for anything.

Which raises the question of why a fluff piece by this idiot should be posted to Slashdot (or to Tom's Hardware in the first place).

What about the OQO model 02? (1)

backpackcomputing (1249130) | more than 5 years ago | (#22828340)

There is an enormous financial cost for trying to go from a 3 lb. device to 2 lbs and certainly a loss of functionality in terms of screen size and keyboard utility. The one rule breaker to this is the Eee PC which weighs only two pounds, but costs $400 (or less depending on the configuration). Of course, it's not a terribly powerful device relative to a desktop, but it will probably suffice for most on the go surfing needs. One model that is overlooked here is the OQO model 02. It is generally expensive, but there is a $499 discount on selected models via a link at http://backpackcomputing.com/ [backpackcomputing.com]

Only machine with a real secure OS (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22823016)

Of all the choices, there is only one real choice. The Macbook Air. MacOS is the only operating system out today that is 100% secure from remote attacks, and if you enable FileVault, 100% secure from theft.

In the history of Macs, from 1984 forward, there has never been a single successful remote attack on the OS. No other operating system on the planet can state that as a medal of honor.

Re:Only machine with a real secure OS (1)

ThePromenader (878501) | more than 6 years ago | (#22823204)

I'm an admitted Mac fanboy, but it would be really helpful for other readers if I could 'Wiki' you - can you cite your sources? I could use them, too.

Re:Only machine with a real secure OS (4, Funny)

Gentlewhisper (759800) | more than 6 years ago | (#22823982)

>>In the history of Macs, from 1984 forward, there has never been a single successful remote attack on the OS.
>>No other operating system on the planet can state that as a medal of honor.

Ah yes, the mind control broadcast towers are working as planned...

Re:Only machine with a real secure OS (4, Funny)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 6 years ago | (#22824160)

there has never been a single successful remote attack on the OS.

Put it this way: a really successful remote attack is one which nobody ever learns about, so it's ridiculous to claim that any given operating system has never been exploited. I guarantee that Macs have been cracked at some point in their history. I think it doesn't happen more often because Mac owners don't have anything on them that anyone would want.

Ontological Argument for the Existence of Exploits (2, Informative)

muchawi (124898) | more than 5 years ago | (#22830232)

That is a brilliant formation of an argument! Completely a priori, so it stands on its own without any experiential proof.

Of course, it also could be used to argue that aliens are inhabiting our bodies without our knowledge, because a really successful alien attack would happen without anyone knowing about it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontological_argument [wikipedia.org]

Re:Ontological Argument for the Existence of Explo (2, Insightful)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 5 years ago | (#22830272)

That is a brilliant formation of an argument! Completely a priori, so it stands on its own without any experiential proof.

Yep. Just about as reasonable as the original claim that Macs have never been cracked, huh.

Re:Only machine with a real secure OS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22825964)

I assume you mean no other desktop OS, what about VMS or Nonstop or z/OS?

Perfect? For whom? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22823036)

My perfect laptop includes the following.

15-17" monitor
5" attachable monitor
webcam and mic on the front panel
as big as a keyboard as possible in relation to the monitor
swappable battery, dvdrw and >4 usb ports
and wifi

Re:Perfect? For whom? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22823596)

Yeah, I want all that plus a quantum processor, and the whole thing should weigh negative one pound (velcro strips included).

Re:Perfect? For whom? (1)

cheater512 (783349) | more than 6 years ago | (#22825168)

My ultimate laptop has a 4:3 screen and not the widescreen crap.
If I want wide screen, I'll use dual monitors so web pages and documents are still 4:3.

Its interesting to note that I do have said laptop. Its a Pentium 3 with a 15" 4:3 screen.
I had to go back that far to find one with a 4:3 screen. Its wonderful though.
Whats the extra space created by the screen used for? A second hard drive. :)

Re:Perfect? For whom? (1)

darthflo (1095225) | more than 5 years ago | (#22828742)

Get a ThinkPad. Each of the current series (that's R, T, X) offers at least one standard aspect model. Z series are no longer produced (merged with T widescreen), the X300 is the only current model without a direct 4:3 variant, but X60[ts] take good care of that.

Re:Perfect? For whom? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22825764)

Perfect for people in the market for an ultra-portable laptop, maybe? (Which from your specs is obviously not you.) Why do you need that explained to you? It's clear from the context of the story.

Seriously, why the hell does every story about ultra-portables have someone saying something about them being too small or that you can get a larger laptop with better specs for less money? Every time I see such posts it makes me hang my head and wonder how people can be so freaking dense.

Yoda (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22823046)

This is a very confusing headline.

Re:Yoda (3, Funny)

calebt3 (1098475) | more than 6 years ago | (#22823244)

No, it's: "Confusing headline this is."

Re:Yoda (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22823866)

You should try reading the article - the guy's writing style is a-fucking-trocious.

Re:Yoda (1)

croddy (659025) | more than 6 years ago | (#22824156)

your sentence no verb!

Re:Yoda (1)

MrNaz (730548) | more than 6 years ago | (#22825032)

Yes, it does. The verb in that sentence is "is".

GSM EEE (1)

jkfresh (603888) | more than 6 years ago | (#22823052)

All I want is an EEE pc with a GSM radio.. I wonder how long I will have to wait for something like that.

Re:GSM EEE (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 6 years ago | (#22823158)

Just use bluetooth and use your phone and you can have it now.

Re:GSM EEE (1)

i.of.the.storm (907783) | more than 6 years ago | (#22825888)

I do believe that 3G radios are going to be in the next gen EeePC 900, and I know they'll have HSDPA and WiMax.

I used one (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22823060)

it's a toy. Don't buy it because it's too expensive. Tom's hardware is a joke in the meantime.

In my mind, if you want a laptop, there are two rifts. Either one that will serve alongside a desktop sibling which will be vastly more powerful, or a desktop replacement.

So either an EeePC or a MacBook Pro/IBM notebook. The HTC is EeePC at nearly the MBP price. Yuck.

Re:I used one (2, Informative)

p0tat03 (985078) | more than 6 years ago | (#22823342)

Disagree on the Eee PC front. A friend of mine got one, and as light and nice as it is, the keyboard is simply unworkable. If I'm on the road and need to type up a long email, or just to take notes at a conference, the Eee PC would have my fingers aching in no time at all. IMHO the two sides of the rift are the MacBook Pro/ThinkPad/workhorse laptop, and a 12-13" notebook like the MacBook, XPS M1330, etc. The sub-10" market IMHO will not replace this, and will remain a relative niche.

Re:I used one (1)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 6 years ago | (#22823454)

I had a hands on with an eee for the first time today.
You are right, the keyboard is horribly compressed.

Meanwhile I have an apple wireless keyboard for my nokia and its amazing.
I don't know how Apple managed to make the keys so big and easily hitable.

Headline punctuation... (5, Funny)

ichthyoboy (1167379) | more than 6 years ago | (#22823068)

Yr doin' it wrong.

Re:Headline punctuation... (1)

Myopic (18616) | more than 6 years ago | (#22824136)

Seriously. The headline is atrocious! I had no idea what it meant until I clicked thru to the article, which uses plus signs and an equals sign to make the meaning more clear.

Submitter is the one at fault here.

Re:Headline punctuation... (1)

argiedot (1035754) | more than 5 years ago | (#22827312)

Perhaps Slash ripped those characters out of the headline? Because the RSS feed has it listed properly with +'s and ='s.

Re:Headline punctuation... (1)

Myopic (18616) | more than 5 years ago | (#22827346)

Very interesting, I see that. Okay, I rescind my blame on the submitter and instead blame technical error. But it remains a bad headline even with the pluses.

Re:Headline punctuation... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#22827522)

I had no idea what it meant until I clicked thru to the article
Ha! Made you look ...

HTC Shift ThinkPad X300 MacBook Air Perfect..... (4, Funny)

jayhawk88 (160512) | more than 6 years ago | (#22823080)

Purple Monkey Dishwasher? "Hey I know, instead of thinking of a coherent thought for the title I'll just throw in product names randomly, no one will notice!"

I know this is Slashdot and the above statement is probably true but come on, at least pretend like you can speak in complete sentences.

Re:HTC Shift ThinkPad X300 MacBook Air Perfect.... (4, Funny)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 6 years ago | (#22823294)

This slashdot. verb no good here!

Re:HTC Shift ThinkPad X300 MacBook Air Perfect.... (1)

martin-boundary (547041) | more than 6 years ago | (#22824744)

In Soviet Slashdot, verb good no article.

Re:HTC Shift ThinkPad X300 MacBook Air Perfect.... (1)

sharkey (16670) | more than 5 years ago | (#22829504)

Me fail English? That's unpossible!

Re:HTC Shift ThinkPad X300 MacBook Air Perfect.... (1)

BKX (5066) | more than 6 years ago | (#22824886)

In the RSS feed, it shows up as "HTC Shift + ThinkPad X300 + MacBook Air = Perfect Notebook?" I wonder why the plusses don't show up on the actual site.

Did no one notice? (4, Insightful)

marcus (1916) | more than 6 years ago | (#22823102)

This bit was written by the ever adorable Rob Enderle?

I'm surprised it even made it to the /. front page.

Re:Did no one notice? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22823280)

I'm surprised it even made it to the /. front page.
you must be new here... did you win your four-digit user id in a poker game?

Re:Did no one notice? (2, Informative)

grendelkhan (168481) | more than 6 years ago | (#22823470)

I didn't even notice that until the end, and then I felt all dirty for clicking the link. Of course he like it better than the ThinkPad and the Air, he hates IBM and he hates Apple.

Now that's a heading (1)

ThePromenader (878501) | more than 6 years ago | (#22823116)

How about some revised parsing for those front-page titles, webmaster?

Macbook air is FAR more than 2.5 hours... (3, Interesting)

nweaver (113078) | more than 6 years ago | (#22823146)

I got far more than 2.5 hours out of the air at a conference, running compiles and mysql database work enough that the fan was on 100%.

Re:Macbook air is FAR more than 2.5 hours... (2, Informative)

aetherworld (970863) | more than 6 years ago | (#22824188)

On a sidenote: I don't get why people constantly compare the macbook air with other more or less lightweight notebooks or subnotebooks. The air is the most light weight notebook apple has to offer. And when I want or need OS X on a subnotebook, there is no alternative. Neither a HTC or IBM product will run OS X (at least not in the quality i'm used to).

However, if you seriously don't care about the operating system and can run linux or (worse) windows just as well, then you're stupid if you buy a macbook air.

Personally I won't run anything else than OS X on any of my machines (except my servers, that is) so I'm going for a macbook air.

Re:Macbook air is FAR more than 2.5 hours... (3, Insightful)

MojoStan (776183) | more than 6 years ago | (#22824608)

Maybe Mac users compare the MacBook Air to non-Mac subnotebooks because some Mac users want some of the hardware features found in other subnotebooks that the MacBook Air lacks (e.g. optical drive, gigabit ethernet, more USB ports, user replacable battery, memory card slots), even if it means sacrificing some the Air's form factor (but not weight). I think they compare them because other notebook makers have proven that you can include these features in a subnotebook, but Mac users have no choice but to move up to the 5+ pound MacBook or 15+ inch MacBook Pro.

I guess what I'm trying to say is: they compare because they think Apple can do better (or offer more choice) in this category. Another thing some Mac users complain about: no Mac desktop that's not a huge dual-processor workstation and doesn't have a built-in display.

Re:Macbook air is FAR more than 2.5 hours... (1)

renimar (173721) | more than 6 years ago | (#22825734)

Another thing some Mac users complain about: no Mac desktop that's not a huge dual-processor workstation and doesn't have a built-in display.
You mean, other than the Mac mini [apple.com] ?

Sigh (1, Offtopic)

geekoid (135745) | more than 6 years ago | (#22823148)

The Air has style. It's about style. It's about the young female executive showing off her style, while getting work done. It gets the work an executives need done, done. Nothing else, but whether you like it or not how you look is a big factor in promotions.
A lesson I wish I had learned when I was 20 instead of thinking what I produces would do me any good.

Re:Sigh (2, Funny)

Itninja (937614) | more than 6 years ago | (#22823308)

Do you mean 'promotions' as in 'getting a different job title'? Like moving from IS Engineer to IS Manager? Because I sure don't want that. I'm a short, fat guy with questionable fashion sense and minimal personal hygiene. And yet I get better reviews and make more money than most of the managers in the company. So I guess how I look was a big factor in me not getting promoted - but it wasn't a factor in making advancement.

Re:Sigh (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 6 years ago | (#22823420)

Dude, I'm talking about power players here, not your company measly upper middle management.
You don't know that. you could be making more money at a bigger firm if you fit 'the mold'.

I'm not defending it, and certianly what you produce should be the number one issue. I've just been an observer of these kinds of behaviors for a long time.

And by promotion I mean moving up the org chart. People going for C*O positions. Golden parachutes, fat bonus, and having mil+ by 29.

There are people who make more then upper management, but that is exceedingly rare in corporations.

There is a reason the Air looks like a compact.

I have worked for companies where I am maknig more then the CEO, but on start ups, and other tiny specialized situations.

Re:Sigh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22824426)

Wow, you are a very sad individual. Don't you know that there are many more important things than money and being rich?

Re:Sigh (1)

MrHanky (141717) | more than 5 years ago | (#22828310)

No, you're not talking about "power players", you're talking about vain idiots. Of course, it's not uncommon for vain idiots to believe they are power players.

Re:Sigh (3, Funny)

Otter (3800) | more than 6 years ago | (#22823608)

I'm a short, fat guy with questionable fashion sense and minimal personal hygiene.

Maybe you and the young female executive with the Air could do one of those "I'm a Mac...And I'm a PC" commercials.

Even better lesson: (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22823906)

I wish I had learned, when I was 20, not to get a job at a company at all. Start your own, instead. In the real world (i.e., outside of office politicking), it doesn't matter what you look like. Do you think anybody cares what Larry and Sergei look like?

Plus MOTAS are much more impressed if you run your own company than if you just work for one.

Re:Sigh (1)

Zeinfeld (263942) | more than 6 years ago | (#22825678)

The Air has style. It's about style. It's about the young female executive showing off her style, while getting work done. It gets the work an executives need done, done. Nothing else, but whether you like it or not how you look is a big factor in promotions.

I am currently writing this on an Air. As far as I am concerned it is the (almost) perfect traveling laptop. The price is entirely reasonable, it is still cheaper than the MacBook Pro. It is not outrageously more expensive than the MacBook.

The only reasonable objection to the Air in my view is that it is not a desktop replacement. But there is no machine on the market that is an adequate replacement for my deskside computer, nor is that feasible when it draws 1kW and has a 30" monitor. I can't work in the same room that it sits in due to the noise (I like quiet). The idea that something with that power would be sensible as a laptop is ridiculous.

If your computing needs are more modest than mine then maybe you can have one machine stretch to do both functions. I prefer to have travel wear to be confined to a cheaper machine. One really nice feature of the Air is that it is very solid, much more solid than any Lenovo, despite the size. It feels like you are typing on a block of solid metal, there is no hint of plastic.

Its the same value judgment as my car. When I bought it people asked me why I spent so much on a car that would lose virtually all its value. OK so in 9 years I have lost 65% or so of the original purchase price and thats a significant amount of money but it still runs well and people still admire it, I still like it. I am an engineer so some of the toys I buy are engineering toys. If I bought a new car I could easily spend 5h3 $2,500 I spent at the Apple store on the Air plus accessories on some detail package and nobody would question it.

Only things I would change are (in order of increasing difficulty):

  1. I would eliminate the sharp edges there the two halves of the shell come together, replacing them with beveled or 3mm radius curves as has been done with the later iPods. Depending on how you type you can end up with a sharp edge digging into your palm.
  2. Supplemental power pack, $200, plugs into the magsafe connector for use on airplane trips longer than 4 hours. I do not need to be able to replace the internal battery, all I need is to be able to supplement it on a small number of occasions.
  3. Double the built in RAM.
  4. Bigger disk, the only limitation I really feel is the limited disk space and that is only because I would like to run Vista under VmWare and/or keep DVD images.
  5. Bigger screen. The attraction here is thin, not total weight. I would totally buy an Air series machine with a 17" display if they could keep the profile unchanged and did not increase the weight by more than 30%.
  6. Tablet format. The newton was before its time, get over it Apple. The idea was not broken, merely the implementation. At this point the one reason I would buy a Lenovo is to have the tablet capability.

The X300 is not a particularly interesting or remarkable laptop. It is pretty much what you would expect a Lenovo X61 to look like if you stuck a solid state drive and LED displaylight on it. The Air is something totally different, it is the machine every other manufacturer now has to match.

The next iteration of the Air will unquestionably be better than todays. The current model does not use the low power chip that was really intended for it because of supply issues. Coupled with a 160Gb drive those two changes alone will overcome most of the current objections.

The question for me is not 'will I do better by waiting' but 'is there something better I would want to spend my money on now'. When the better machine comes out I will buy it and still be able to sell my current model for $1200 or so if I wanted to.

Ugh (1)

PlatyPaul (690601) | more than 6 years ago | (#22823200)

Ok, let's try to find what Rob means by "blend":

Starting with the Shift, the dual mode long battery life aspect is wonderful and it is also the most affordable of the three. The Lenovo is the most practical, usable and comprehensive product and the Apple is one of the most beautiful notebooks that is currently available. In addition, the perfect product needs the battery life and wireless capabilities shared by the Lenovo and HTC products and, were you to wrap all of this up in a bow, I think you'd have a laptop that a lot of us would favor over anything else.

So... long battery life and strong wireless, plus "usable", "comprehensive" and "beautiful". How is this a blend again?

I wouldn't trash the article entirely for this (hell, the insight into keyboard size on the HTC makes it at least mildly useful already), but it's a bit bare.

Re:Ugh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22823668)

Is there a blender big enough for all three?

Re:Ugh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22823916)

Blendtec

He is the what? (-1, Redundant)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 6 years ago | (#22823238)

HTC Shift ThinkPad X300 MacBook Air Perfect Notebook?

Goo-goo-ga-joob?

toilet paper tube... (3, Informative)

stokessd (89903) | more than 6 years ago | (#22823242)

800x480?! Why not just give us four handy red 7 segment displays to interact with.

Sure, I understand that small computers have small screens, but my aging ipac has a 640x480 screen the size of a baseball card and fits in my pocket. I take it that people who want small light computers are also blind? A screen that size could be 1400x900 and still be very usable.

Sheldon

Riiiiight.... (4, Informative)

dazedNconfuzed (154242) | more than 6 years ago | (#22823286)

has a small 800 x 480 pixel 7" touchscreen

For the same price I can get an ultraportable (3lbs) Sony VAIO with ~10" screen, real keyboard (only slightly scrunched), 1280x768 screen, and real everything else including optical drive and WAN radio. Heck, I've had two models over 5 years, wishing only for a stronger case and boot-from-USB; I carry it everywhere.

I'm not sure where the author thinks this toy is usable for anything but an overblown cellphone without the phone.

Next...

Re:Riiiiight.... (1)

lymond01 (314120) | more than 6 years ago | (#22823558)

I think the phrase, "But it's a Sony" sort of covers all the bases.

Re:Riiiiight.... (1)

wellingj (1030460) | more than 6 years ago | (#22823696)

Panasonic has some pretty small tough-book types.
I prefer just regular old thinkpads myself.

Re:Riiiiight.... (1)

aurinko (950249) | more than 5 years ago | (#22828890)

I have /tried/ to work on 7 inch, it is barely readable but for longer time utterly useless - funny thing it was on a ultraportable ibm 10 years ago, a thing with no keyboard and touchscreen, the memory kept falling out of it sockets too:) Then i have used 10", 11", 12" and 13" laptops, numerous palms and a few other strange things, and found that for everyday use of several hours, the minimum useful (for more than simple text) is 13" - otherwise it will be only useful for short transit, i would certainly use an iphone/ipodtouch together with a macbook air instead of trying to get everything on something in between - and for editing photos 15" is barely enough And after 10 years of windows i must say comparing the physical specs of macbooks and winbooks is like comparing houses in different countries, if you can get mansion in iraq for half the price than a flat in germany would you still call that a comparision? - the basic issues of stability and productivity of the os is way more important than small differences in price, weight, speed and battery life, and i must personally agree with the canadian study that showed a 40% productivity advantage when using osx compared to windows Thus i right now use mac only, and the few 100$ i spent extra has already saved themselves in more worktime, if i was to advise a company i would not be in doubt, especially with the iphone entourage software rolling out in june

Rob Enderle.. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22823336)

Isn't the same guy who gushed over a Ferrari branded Laptop [slashdot.org] >

The perfect X would be a blend of A, B, and C (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22823344)

The perfect automobile would blend the speed of a Bugatti Veyron, the durability and off-road-ability of a Hummer H1, and the price of a Tata Nano.

Re:The perfect X would be a blend of A, B, and C (2, Funny)

Bastard of Subhumani (827601) | more than 6 years ago | (#22824212)

... and do 900 squazillion miles on one gallon. Of water. I've patented it, just on the off chance that some sucker actually makes one. [evil cackle]

Lets get small again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22823406)

I'be be perfectly happy (actually ecstatic) for a reborn DOS based HP-200 with the addition of a back light and 802.11b. My HP-200 did everything I needed from a portable and I do miss it. I have seen nothing on the market at any price that begins to provide the features the HP-200 provided in a comparable (or smaller) size.
OldFart

Re:Lets get small again (2, Informative)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 6 years ago | (#22823522)

You really should take a look at the nokia n810 (or even n800).
They have a similar form factor, run Maemo Linux and are great to use.

Re:Lets get small again (1)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 6 years ago | (#22823808)

If it ever actually existed, you might have a shot at buying it here. [usedhandhelds.com]

Disclaimer: I used to work for that company.

what i want to see is (1)

FudRucker (866063) | more than 6 years ago | (#22823544)

a laptop with a case made from eighth inch stainless steel diamond pattern floor plate...

Not an Eee PC, it's a tablet (2, Informative)

Nightspirit (846159) | more than 6 years ago | (#22823614)

The thing most of you people are not realizing is that the shift has tablet functionality which neither the eee pc, x300, or airbook have. Not only that, but it runs windows mobile as well as vista. I also believe it is GSM quad band/HSDPA (or at least it was supposed to when I read about it 5 months ago), so essentially it can replace your phone, PDA, and travel laptop. If I had 1.5k sitting around I'd definitely get one.

Re:Not an Eee PC, it's a tablet (1)

dfghjk (711126) | more than 6 years ago | (#22824970)

Yeah, it'll replace your phone. ;-)

Re:Not an Eee PC, it's a tablet (1)

darthflo (1095225) | more than 5 years ago | (#22830718)

My ThinkPad X61t is a tablet, too. Also it's a bit heavier than the others you mentioned, has an SXGA+ display, a high-capacity battery and 3G WWAN. Apart from the WinMobile as well as Vista, nothing much new here.

"I'll do a quick summery..." (1)

CFrankBernard (605994) | more than 6 years ago | (#22823712)

Excellant!

WTF? (2, Funny)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 6 years ago | (#22824112)

HTC Shift ThinkPad X300 MacBook Air Perfect Notebook?

What the heck does this mean, anyway? And no, I don't want to read the article.

Re:WTF? (1)

treeves (963993) | more than 6 years ago | (#22825470)

My guess is he tried to put some cute symbols in , like "+" and "->" and they got stripped out leaving a confusing concatenation of words.

None of these are the "perfect" notebook (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22824144)

The perfect notebook fits in your pocket. And while I don't think the perfect notebook needs a large screen, most people would disagree with me. Ergo, it's not on the market yet (until some kind of weird unfolding tech comes out, or people use projectors, or something like that).

Re:None of these are the "perfect" notebook (3, Funny)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 6 years ago | (#22824200)

Ergo, it's not on the market yet (until some kind of weird unfolding tech comes out, or people use projectors, or something like that).

Think holojectors, dude. Three-dimensional holojectors, that's the ticket. Toss that puppy onto a table in front of you and see a beautiful 3-D desktop floating in midair. I know they can do it if they want to ... I've seen them on Stargate SG-1!

Is it really the same class? (1)

Viewsonic (584922) | more than 6 years ago | (#22824192)

"has a small 800 x 480 pixel 7" touchscreen"

I can't think of a single application other than email that can be used efficiently at this resolution. Web browsing is pretty pointless with sites wanting 1024 or more these days. How in the world could you edit photos and videos on something like that? What about playing any games? Word and Excel might work fine, but man, could you imagine having to fight with only being able to see only a couple rows at a time?

What a nightmare. It really sounds more like a contender for the OQO and other micro devices of its kind. Not the Macbook Air.

Fuck HTC (2, Informative)

Vegeta99 (219501) | more than 6 years ago | (#22824220)

Fuck HTC.

I bought an AT&T Tilt (HTC TyTN II Rebrand) and it came with the Qualcomm MSM7200 chipset that's supposed (and was advertized) to have ATi hardware 3D rendering and hardware video assist. It seems, however, that even though these features were advertised, HTC users weren't given them. Some amateur research says that it's because of a Broadcomm patent lawsuit against Qualcomm with a judgement preventing them from making drivers (but they were allowed to sell what processors were already being made under other contractual obligation).

See this Firehose article. [slashdot.org] The videos on htcclassaction.org demonstrate the issue very well.

Incorrect formula! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22824366)

In order to properly combine the three notebooks, you need to divide by 3, viz:

(HTC Shift + ThinkPad X300 + MacBook Air)/3 = Perfect Notebook?

However, it may be more appropriate to use a geometric mean:

[(HTC Shift)(ThinkPad X300)(MacBook Air)]^(1/3) = Perfect Notebook?

A third option is simply to stack them together and run a truck over them.

More research is needed in this area.

this battery thing (1)

gelfling (6534) | more than 6 years ago | (#22824974)

I'm getting a little disturbed by the whole "We hate it because the battery's not removable". Even here in the Tom's review they make the somewhat insane claim that the machine isn't portable because you can't swap batteries.

Well let me tell you, if you're going to load yourself down with extra batteries (and one supposes, a power supply), an optical drive then it's not that portable anymore either. Maybe you'd be happier with a T61 Thinkpad or a full blown MacBook? Swiss Army Knife isn't the intended purpose of the Mac Air, I'm sorry but it's not. And the twits at Tom's Hardware aren't going to trudge around with extra batteries for their HTC device either. Do you know why?

Because it's really a phone. Do you (yes I know there's a herd of unmedicated nitpickers out there waiting to correct me) really drag extra batteries around with your for your phone? I mean when you're NOT scaling El Capitan.....? Hey wait a minute that must mean the iPhone and the iPod are horrible products too because of the battery thing.

Re:this battery thing (1)

Alan Shutko (5101) | more than 6 years ago | (#22826008)

I carry around an extra battery for my HTC Apache phone, because it won't make it from morning to bedtime without it. So, on the Shift, it's probably a good idea to have an extra....

Re:this battery thing (1)

gelfling (6534) | more than 5 years ago | (#22829028)

That would make it an entirely unacceptable unsuitable product for almost everyone in the world. I applaud your tenacity.

Re:this battery thing (1)

(H)elix1 (231155) | more than 6 years ago | (#22826248)

I'm getting a little disturbed by the whole "We hate it because the battery's not removable". Even here in the Tom's review they make the somewhat insane claim that the machine isn't portable because you can't swap batteries.

You don't spend near enough quality time on an airplane. Airports - even with a club membership - are notoriously sparse on electrical outlets. While the flight itself may be three hours or so, there is a pretty good change you will spend a good chunk of time at the gate running on battery. Most folks put the extra battery in the carry-on bag. I pack a spare battery with my t60p and would do so with a smaller laptop as well. Battery goes fast when working/coding or watching a movie. The smaller screen gives you a chance to open the laptop if you are not sitting in the front of the bus. An extra USB port or Ethernet port would be nice ~ an extra battery pack is a must.

Re:this battery thing (1)

gelfling (6534) | more than 5 years ago | (#22829012)

Then some products are not for you.

800 x 480 pixel screen (1)

RudeIota (1131331) | more than 6 years ago | (#22826074)

"and has a small 800 x 480 pixel 7" touchscreen" - TFA
This is instantly FAR from perfect... In fact - hardly usable - IMO.

I don't care if this thing makes hot grits for me in the morning. There is no saving grace for a $1500 laptop that can't display most of the web sites I visit in their entire width.

Re:800 x 480 pixel screen (1)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 5 years ago | (#22829642)

I don't care if this thing makes hot grits for me in the morning.

Sure, you say that now ... but if you could call Natalie Portman on the thing I'll bet you'd be singing a different tune.

Apples vs Oranges (1)

hotfireball (948064) | more than 6 years ago | (#22826618)

I own MacBook Air among other laptops in my home. This is just different device and I'd say with just different approach on portable computing, if I can say so. I really can not get why people comparing it just by features? Because it does not have 5 USB ports as any 5kg weight Asus laptop has and does not have DVD drive?.. Well, IMHO it is kind of irrelevant. It is as same as compare BMW Z4 [bmw.com] with... let's say Huyndai Amica [hyundai.co.uk] (both are small) and complain that Amica has much more features (extra seats, extra doors, bigger space for cargo etc).

Now, for curious people a bit semi-numbers of performance. Machine is 1.8GHz CPU since 1.6GHz is not the point: if you decide to buy it, then you buy it right (in my opinion). I did not got it with SSD because for me it is too pricey so far. So, I use Windows XP on VmWare sometimes, because I develop stuff for web and MSIE still on rails, unfortunately, and also I need other Windows-only software. I also tried to play on this thing various 3D games, watching video (of course!), music stuff, Flash sites, Photoshop things and so on. Folks... it just that works fast enough and never gets hot. I also surprised of HDD's 4200rpm must be too slow. However, in fact, as for such machine it is not.

Lenovo X300 or MacBook Air or something else -- each product should be reviewed according to damn CUSTOMER'S OWN NEEDS. Is it not stupid to look at a product that does not match somebody's specific needs and say "this product does not match everybody's needs"? Lenovo X300 match needs for those who does not care screen size, keyboard comfortability but care about DVD drive, need Windows/Linux/*BSD as main OS, wants it rather smaller by width then height. MacBook Air are for those, who want it lightweight nearly 1kg, but still need normal keyboard with backlight and decent screen size. Among other users, MBA definitely perfect for writers, for business, for (maybe) programmers (like me) and for wives on sofa. :-)

I am not bashing anything or saying that MBA is something mega-incredible. I just feel sick when reading bullshit articles, called "strong opinion" though they just comparing apples with oranges: each product is individual and has its good or bad points.

Could xen be used to do the same thing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#22827536)

I'm not near smart enough with linux and xen to know if this would work, but couldn't you have 2 OS's installed, a minimal one and then a full featured one and the user could switch between the two. The minimal one would give maximum battery life and the other would allow for power usage. Would it work?

N810 Is better (1)

Yiliar (603536) | more than 5 years ago | (#22827610)

The N810 is a tablet, runs Linux, has GPS, wifi, etc etc. And a third the cost, same resolution display, but fits in the shirt pocket nicely.

Panasonic R7 (1)

keean (824435) | more than 5 years ago | (#22828238)

The Panasonic R7 is the best ultralight IMHO... 2 pounds weight, 2 gig ram, dual core CPU 1024x768 graphics and 8 hour battery life. Passive cooling (no fan) means it quiet too.
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