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China Continues to Shut Down Video Sites

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 6 years ago | from the governments-the-same-the-world-over dept.

Censorship 158

I Don't Believe in Imaginary Property writes "It's not just YouTube that's blocked in China. After the unrest in Tibet, at least 25 video sharing sites have been shut down and others have been penalized. While the Chinese government is not admitting that violence in Tibet had anything to do with it, they do have a sudden interest in strictly enforcing licensing restrictions that require video sharing websites to register with the government. Among other things, Chinese video sharing sites must promise not to show videos that inspire fear, contain pornography, or endanger national security."

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Fuck china (-1, Flamebait)

Fanboy Fantasies (917592) | more than 6 years ago | (#22826662)

We should carpet bomb all of asia with nukes.

Re:Fuck china (1)

Howitzer86 (964585) | more than 6 years ago | (#22826666)

Why?

Re:Fuck china (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22826710)

Because it's full of a retarded, brainwashed, massive cult (Chinese citizens) who religiously oppose the freedoms and philosophies Western civilization has established as both profitable and humane.

Fuck China.

Re:Fuck china (1)

Headcase88 (828620) | more than 6 years ago | (#22828122)

The question turns to whether Western civilization would remain profitable (and humane) if China disappeared.

Re:Fuck china (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22826694)

Wouldn't carpetbombing China with dirty magazines be more ironic? Fear, pornography, and national endangerment all in one go!

Re:Fuck china (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 6 years ago | (#22827188)

Yeah, but who'd do it? The US? They're even more afraid of porn than China is.

Re:Fuck china (1)

Hellcom (1041714) | more than 6 years ago | (#22827788)

The swedes, duh.

Re:Fuck china (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22827954)

And afterwards they bomb us with their stinky tofu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stinky_tofu [wikipedia.org] ? Better not...

Re:Fuck china (2, Funny)

CFBMoo1 (157453) | more than 6 years ago | (#22828184)

We could just carpet bomb them with all the cheap crap they've sold us over the years. They'd surrender quick.

Fine enough, but how precise? (0, Offtopic)

sethstorm (512897) | more than 6 years ago | (#22827168)

We should carpet bomb all of asia with nukes.

Fuck china (Score:-1, Flamebait)
And how is that a problem? The only issue is having enough power in one pass(perhaps a gigaton in the right spots) but not too much(such that you get fallout).
Anything much beyond one pass, and you're inviting the possibility of a successful retribution.

Of course, should you find some way to incapacitate China, how would the business community react?

(Cue pro-China modbombing in ...3...2...1...)

National Security? (4, Insightful)

calebt3 (1098475) | more than 6 years ago | (#22826672)

I haven't seen many Youtube videos that endanger the US's national security...

It's not YouTube, but... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22826696)

I seem to remember someone claiming that the Abu Gharib photos endangered US National Security...

China's late to the party (-1, Troll)

MacDork (560499) | more than 6 years ago | (#22827394)

The US has been shutting down video sites [bbc.co.uk] for years, faster, and more frequently than China has ever dreamed. Now we're supposed to be appalled because they don't like one or two of the handful that are left? Give me a break. Even in videos where Americans complain about Chinese internet video censorship, [pbs.org] we see American internet video censorship. Did nobody notice the blacked out screen denoting "THE FOLLOWING ABC NEWS FOOTAGE COULD NOT BE CLEARED FOR INTERNET USE" about 70% through part 6 of that documentary? American hypocrisy is truly stunning.

Re:China's late to the party (1)

rockout (1039072) | more than 6 years ago | (#22827504)

Not sure why I'm feeding this troll, but to inform anyone that doesn't want to click his link, it's to an article about Hollywood shutting downing P2P sites. Apples and oranges at best, for obvious reasons, I would think.

Who's trolling? (1)

MacDork (560499) | more than 6 years ago | (#22827542)

Apples and oranges at best, for obvious reasons, I would think.

It's obvious you don't understand the word censor. [reference.com]

Re:Who's trolling? (1, Informative)

Headcase88 (828620) | more than 6 years ago | (#22828172)

Ah, but we are talking about censorship as in hiding information from people.

Here is a more clear example in the logical flaw you made: imagine an article about weed not being free to use in the US, and you'd say "In Amsterdam it isn't free because you have to pay for it, it's obvious you don't understand the word free." you see, we're talking about different definitions of the same word. I hope that was enlightening.

Re:National Security? (1)

ILuvRamen (1026668) | more than 6 years ago | (#22827092)

you haven't seen the one of my 17 pound homemade smoke bomb nuking my backyard then, have you? lol.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jMITFo66qWg [youtube.com]
You look at that fireball and tell me that's not a threat to national security hehehe.
But don't worry everyone, the Chinese can still see a shortened version of that vid on ehow.com lol. I don't believe they blocked that site yet.

You obviously haven't seen... (1)

Myrcutio (1006333) | more than 6 years ago | (#22827324)

I don't know about you, but the Star Wars kid made me pretty insecure...

Re:National Security? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22828044)

This is rich - a bunch of politically correct Slashdotters complaining about China censoring opposing points of view... When all along, anybody who dares to come on here and try to make simple truths known about how every white country on Earth is being invaded by non-whites, and how our governments are run by Jews who are clearly trying to destroy any sense of homogeneity we ever had, is met with the pathetic cries of "Racist" "Racist" "Racist"...

Re:National Security? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22828566)

Maybe this is why the article was about CHINA?

universal translator: active (4, Insightful)

v1 (525388) | more than 6 years ago | (#22826680)

inspire fear, contain pornography, or endanger national security

Lets see. inspire fear ... that'd be inspire fear in the government leaders that the people might SEE what they're really doing

or, contain pornography ... as in, see the government naked and have some of their dirty secrets exposed for all to see

and finally, endanger national security would be endanger their position of power by inciting unrest

There, that's better.

Shiny happy peoples' republic (1)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 6 years ago | (#22826796)

that'd be inspire fear in the government leaders that the people might SEE what they're really doing
They're actually more "rose tainted glasses" than that: No skeletons allowed in the Chinese WoW localization.

Re:universal translator: active (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 6 years ago | (#22827158)

You know... could it be that so many die hard conservative politicians are against porn because they fear their voters could stumble upon their "I was young and needed the money" movies?

govt is the mafia , aka Sopranos (1)

cheekyboy (598084) | more than 6 years ago | (#22827686)

The govts of many nations are worse than 1000 tony sopranos.

National security is a secret code for 'govt cronie security of their assets.
Porn should be positive, only it makes politicians look even more ugly.

Id say make a new rule, the govt parliament must be naked at all times, so ugly old fat shits arent voted in.

Official Response (2)

winmine (934311) | more than 6 years ago | (#22826682)

In an official press release, Chinese Vice Premiere of Public Communication Kahn d'Eljak stated that "The common decency of the people in their daily lives must not be interrupted by unsavory activists who only wish to destroy the Greatest Republic the world has ever known." The Premiere did not comment on the rec

Re:Official Response (0, Redundant)

moogs (1003361) | more than 6 years ago | (#22827154)

i c wat u did thar

What is wrong with the IOC (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22826684)

Haven't they learned from the 1936 and 1980 Olympics? A totalitarian government might promise the IOC that they will be more open and peaceful if they are allowed to host the Olympic Games, but they will not honor it. Perhaps this will be the first Olympic Games where the government hosting the games is massacring people while the athletes compete.

Personally, I think it is time that the Olympics are removed from the control of the IOC. The games in China should also be canceled.

Re:What is wrong with the IOC (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22826746)

Shrug. IOC values are fascist values, always have been. The olympics is to be reviled, not lauded.

Re:What is wrong with the IOC (5, Informative)

gzipped_tar (1151931) | more than 6 years ago | (#22827008)

I am from Beijing and I really wish the game could be canceled.

In Soviet China, the games play you. Yes it's true. I live in my college (a public one, funded by the govn't) where more than 80% of the students are from other places outside Beijing, me included. We will be forced to leave our campus before the Olympic games open, because the college's gym shall be used by the athelets as a place of training (some say they are the USA swimming team). The college has decided so, but offers no single bit of solution for our accomodation during that period. I guess most of us may have to go home --- for quite a few of us this means a long journey across the country, at a considerable cost. For those who has a job here this would mean further loss. I feel I'm being treated as an undesirable, troublesome one who is best kept clear from the city in which I have been living for three years. We are not free to travel or stay as we wish within our own country, or even within our own city.

Thanks to the Olympic games China is drawing increasingly more attentions of the world. I hope that, as a result of the pressure from both within and outside, the govn't would take some measures for us. This is hardly likely, though.

Now something on topic. Removing the Olympics from the IOC? Not likely. Canceling the games? The IOC members are very experienced in politics, and politics has nothing to do with human rights. They can't be ignorant to the massacre taking place in China, but that has nothing to do with their business. They have a perfect alibis: the IOC is not an organization for settling political affairs. We do our own business.

Recently, the Olympic firetorch is going on its tour around the world, including Lhasa, Tibet. I can hardly imagine this.

And a tip for some of you who may want to travel to China for watching the Games: you have to be prepared for the Internet experience in China which is far from yours in your home. Want to know more about a game? There's no Wikipedia. Want home news? A lot of media websites banned. Want watch video from YouTube? No way. Want to read your emails? If you've done many "undesirable " searches on Google you may have trouble accessing your gmail account, as some of my friends have noted. Slashdot? I can only hope the best. It seems that they havnt been keeping an eye on slashdot now. I guess most of the decision makers have no idea of what Slashdot is like...

Re:What is wrong with the IOC (1)

threefcata (1258676) | more than 6 years ago | (#22827488)

I'm sorry, but Olympic Games are going to be held in August, and I suppose that is during the summer holiday in almost all of the universities in China, I suppose? Do you stay in school during holidays? Hard-working..

Re:What is wrong with the IOC (1)

jamar0303 (896820) | more than 6 years ago | (#22827652)

You'd be surprised how short summer holiday is in Chinese schools compared to those of the rest of the world.

Other reasons : avoiding students (3, Insightful)

DrYak (748999) | more than 6 years ago | (#22827952)

We will be forced to leave our campus before the Olympic games open, because the college's gym shall be used by the athelets as a place of training (some say they are the USA swimming team).


I think another reason that is also pleasing the government a lot is that this will keep all these students away from the camera of international journalist.
You know, with all these habits that we students worldwide have of protesting and organising processions and strikes, it's good side effect that the campus will be closed, just in case if some Chinese students decided to overcome their fears and copy us trying some of the silly stuff that the foreign colleagues are doing.
It would be specially embarrassing since they won't be able to handle potential students protest the usual way (it's not very encouraged to send tank against students in front of cameras).

Except that if the government had said "Students aren't allowed to express publicly their political opinion" the whole western world would be complaining about attacks to their freedom of speech. Whereas "China announce it will happily lend its Colleges' gyms so athlete can win, saddly this means that the duration of the students summer break will have to be extended" suddenly sounds a lot more benevolent. The government hit two birds with single stone : They both do us a favor giving a place to our athlete and managed do discretely shut the Chinese students up.

Waiting for the inevitable reply... (0)

TFer_Atvar (857303) | more than 6 years ago | (#22827116)

...where someone lumps in the 2002, 1996, or 1984 games into that category, too, not realizing that the mere fact that they can post such a statement falsifies it.

Re:What is wrong with the IOC (3, Insightful)

Idiomatick (976696) | more than 6 years ago | (#22827190)

Massacres??? I tend to keep up with the news. I hope you have some proof to back up this very strong news. I think i'll assume you are referring to tibet.

Its funny when you see human rights violations in the US people go thats shameful, we are better than this. Alot of people blaming corporations. Or saying theres nothing that can be done. When there are rights abuses in china, there is no question, the country is the embodiment of the devil. You are so harsh and judging, final in your judgment.

And the suggestions flow forth, cancel the games! Oh because that would help, that way china wont be under the scrutiny of millions of visitors and they don't have to worry about having to bend to the will of all the countries that visit. They WANT to make a good impression otherwise they wouldnt be hosting the games. So let them try, its foolish to do otherwise.

Then lets sanction them! Oh wait, that will hurt the whole world as much or more than China. And the harm it will do in China, make the poor poorer. Make technology like internet/phones/cameras beyond the reach of most people. Because we wouldn't want the average person to have access to these things, take it away as punishment. To what end? Force an unarmed rebellion? The idea is laughable, you'll just be aiding in the starvation of 100s of thousands of civilians. But sanctions have worked so well in N.Korea, Iran, Cuba, Palestine... Oh yeah, it hasnt, its just given the countries reason to hate. Its killed civilians and lowered the std of life for millions of people. The reasons sanctions are in place isnt a noble one, its a war measure used to starve enemies to death. A veritable siege on whole countries.

Don't get me started on Tibet. The country has basically been under Chinese rule until 1904 where the brits invaded. Tibet signed a treaty with the brits seperate from China. Then China retook the area in 1950. The country has been under chinese control currently LONGER than it had ever been apart from China. The dalai lama doesn't even want independence. But people have taken the publicity of the olympic games to try and incite riots and insurrection. I can't imagine the average person in tibet even wants this anymore. Those riots are what have caused the recent deaths in China. Not the government going in execution style. I'm not saying China doesn't have a big part in it. But the rioters are looting and burning down homes, lighting cars on fire. OBVIOUSLY this is something the police should try to quell even if they are doing a messy job of it. The rioters are trying to make martyrs of themselves. Infact they are doing the exact same things people in palestine do, but when it happens there its terrorism.

This blatant racism and moral superiority disgusts me. Keep an open mind and pretend it was the states shooting terrorists. I'm not saying human rights in china are as good as in the US at all. I'm not saying they don't need to be changed. But china isn't the devil nor is communism. You aren't making things better by viewing things this way.

Re:What is wrong with the IOC (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22827278)

The dalai lama doesn't even want independence.
Since that isn't even remotely true, I'm going to assume the rest of your post is BS as well.

It's a Buddhist phrase (and philosophy) (2, Informative)

jx100 (453615) | more than 6 years ago | (#22827308)

He's calling it the "Middle Path". Having autonomy instead of independence (kinda like what Hong Kong has right now) is intended to be a compromise that the Chinese government is supposed to find more agreeable.

Re:It's a Buddhist phrase (and philosophy) (2, Interesting)

aedan (196243) | more than 6 years ago | (#22827628)

The London Labour government tried to placate Scotland with a devolved parliament 10 years ago. Their stated aim was to spike the nationalist guns. We now have a Scottish Nationalist Party government here and things are moving along nicely.

Re:What is wrong with the IOC (1, Informative)

Idiomatick (976696) | more than 6 years ago | (#22827764)

http://www.dalailama.com/news.42.htm [dalailama.com]
I'm going to assume you have a source better than the dalai lama on his desires? Try not to flame when you are wrong :/

Re:What is wrong with the IOC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22827388)

And we have a winner! What makes you think I'm an American?

Re:What is wrong with the IOC (4, Insightful)

1u3hr (530656) | more than 6 years ago | (#22827948)

Don't get me started on Tibet. The country has basically been under Chinese rule until 1904 where the brits invaded. Tibet signed a treaty with the brits seperate from China. Then China retook the area in 1950. The country has been under chinese control currently LONGER than it had ever been apart from China.

Don't get ME started on what a load of bullshit that is.

China claimed sovereignty of Tibet, as it did for many neighbouring countries, such as Vietnam and Korea at various times. In practice, these countries may have paid tribute to Beijing, but Beijing never administered these regions. Tibet was an independent kingdom for most of the last two or three thousand years. A thousand years ago it actually controlled a large part of what is now China.

The dalai lama doesn't even want independence.

Of course he does. But he knows China would destroy Tibet rather than grant it. He's no fool. Asking for that would just give China another stick to beat him with.

China is wiping out Tibetan culture at a fast pace, the only leverage the Tibetans have is international pressure, and in the Olympic year China cannot simply ignore it as it would do normally. They have little hope of success, but this is their last chance before their country is swamped by Chinese immigration and they become fringe slum dwellers in their own land.

Re:What is wrong with the IOC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22828544)

If tibet is out of China's support, do you think they will have a better life? Without the government's support, what will they get? It is our Chinese own business. Why don't you support the Hawaii or Northern Ireland? There are many regions is under invasion according to your opinion, aren't there? How could the world be if all the regions want to be independent? Think about it.

Re:What is wrong with the IOC (4, Insightful)

kvezach (1199717) | more than 6 years ago | (#22827658)

I'll tell you what's wrong with the IOC: All the committee-members in their rooms, dancing and singing...

Money, money, money
always sunny
in the rich man's world...

GGW (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22826686)

I'm sure that somewhere there's a Girls Gone Wild video that does all three...

Fuck China. I'll take porn over capitalism any day (1)

Jackie_Chan_Fan (730745) | more than 6 years ago | (#22826690)

Word to your Chinese mother you heard!

long live Tor (4, Insightful)

mwilliamson (672411) | more than 6 years ago | (#22826704)

Run a tor node! Remove the potential for censure of information by oppressive regimes like China, Cuba and _[insert favorite oppressive country here]_ http://tor.eff.org/ [eff.org]

Re:long live Tor (5, Interesting)

gzipped_tar (1151931) | more than 6 years ago | (#22826804)

In Beijing, many of the TOR nodes are operated by the govn't.

Re:long live Tor (1)

jamar0303 (896820) | more than 6 years ago | (#22827688)

If you download the latest version it will show you where you are being routed through. You can disconnect any nodes that you worry about.

Re:long live Tor (1)

kvezach (1199717) | more than 6 years ago | (#22827700)

I haven't used Tor in a while, but can't you blacklist nodes explicitly based on their public keys or location? Blacklist all the internal China nodes and you're good... or is there more to it?

Re:long live Tor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22828532)

yes, and for more help connect to irc.oftc.net #tor, the developers are there and often participate in chat!

also join the mailing list @ torproject.org for or-talk and participate in discussion

What if China, for whatever reason, decided to host in another country so it's not blatant and collect information from, perhaps one of the many servers in Germany? A chinese person may not expect it, but by then it would be too late.

Re:long live Tor (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22826882)

That will land you in prison in China. You obviously don't understand the level of internet monitoring in China. This isn't the RIAA cracking down on Napster. This represents lives in the balance. Your ignorant comment can get people executed. Please STFU on subjects you know little to nothing about

Jin

Re:long live Tor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22827042)

Maybe it's time for the people of China to grow a (collective) pair of balls and rise up in revolution.

Why would you be willing to fight a revolution for Communism, but not for freedom? It just doesn't make any sense.

Re:long live Tor (2, Insightful)

Artuir (1226648) | more than 6 years ago | (#22827256)

You can't hope for change when you decide it is best to simply submit. Do you honestly think the government in China will change without loss of life? Too late for that.

Re:long live Tor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22826952)

You can't even do that here in the U.S. If someone uses it to click an FBI link, expect a dawn raid.

Re:long live Tor (2, Informative)

guojc (1099675) | more than 6 years ago | (#22827028)

Tor speed is slow in China, not mention there are rumors on the net that the government uses some fake node discourage the use of tor. Using tor for viewing video site in China simply never works in China.

Re:long live Tor (1)

jamar0303 (896820) | more than 6 years ago | (#22827696)

The solution is to find a video site that still works. Nico Nico Video [nicovideo.jp] is one of them.

It should also be noted... (4, Interesting)

rindeee (530084) | more than 6 years ago | (#22826706)

I posted the following info on a previous thread a few days ago, but it was long enough after the story had been posted that it got buried. Anyway, because I believe that it's significant, I will again point out that Google would seem to be coalescing to the wishes of governments such as China. Google's automated the process of blocking particular videos in particular countries via new country blocking XML tags ([media :restriction type="country" relationship="deny">CN]") that they've added in YouTube/Google Video. If you're not familiar with Google's latest (Do no evil???) addition to YouTube, see the write-up that YouTomb did on the matter. Anyway, I can think of no other reason that Google would add in such capability, but I've admittedly not devoted much time to pondering it.

Re:It should also be noted... (5, Interesting)

hayagriva (1260388) | more than 6 years ago | (#22826850)

True, but not new. I've been in China since 2004. Every time I've clicked on a Google Video link, it hasn't been blocked by China, but it's never worked. They're very nice about it, though: "Thanks for your interest in Google Video. Currently, the playback feature of Google Video isn't available in your country. We hope to make this feature available more widely in the future, and we really appreciate your patience." Do no evil, or, if you have to, be polite about it?

Re:It should also be noted... (1)

cheater512 (783349) | more than 6 years ago | (#22826926)

Google themselves arent really being evil.
Its still the Chinese government.

The alternative is they allow all videos and get blocked in a millisecond.

Re:It should also be noted... (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 6 years ago | (#22827174)

Well, our laws judge helping a crook at least almost at the same level as being the crook.

Re:It should also be noted... (1)

cheater512 (783349) | more than 6 years ago | (#22827210)

In my books they are in the clear.
Might as well put up a friendly message than let it be blocked.

The net result is the same either way.

Re:It should also be noted... (1)

Jarik_Tentsu (1065748) | more than 6 years ago | (#22827792)

At least they're letting you know such a feature exists. To the curious China, he'll probably look up *why* and eventually realize it's being blocked.

~Jarik

Re:It should also be noted... (1)

assassinator42 (844848) | more than 6 years ago | (#22826876)

Is that how they restrict the viewing of music videos uploaded by the record companies to certain countries (US only, I think)? Example [youtube.com] .

Re:It should also be noted... (2, Informative)

assassinator42 (844848) | more than 6 years ago | (#22826982)

Hate to reply to my own post, but I did some searching. I found a blog post [opennet.net] on the YouTomb study the GP mentioned, not sure if there's anything more.
A look at the API data [youtube.com] reveals that it is the same mechanism used for music videos. I believe these restrictions have been in place for a while now, I believe some Canadians were complaining about not being able to watch some music video links last year (perhaps posters actually in Canada or another blocked country could clarify?). As mentioned in the blog post, I see no way to set country restrictions on an uploaded video myself. A search for "country" on YouTube help reveals information about YouTube's video identification tool [google.com] which reveals "content owners" can block videos in chosen regions. In addition, this page about filing copyright complaints [google.com] tells complainers to list which countries their copyright applies to. Although I'm not sure how often that's used as it seems videos removed for copyright violation are totally deleted rather than just blocked in the specified countries (although I guess if the content is stored/served from the US, they would need to remove everything that's under copyright in the US).

Violations of Human Rights (0, Troll)

Yahma (1004476) | more than 6 years ago | (#22826716)

It's sad that we are allowing these Violations of Human Rights [state.gov] in China to continue unabated. America has long known of Chinas abuse of power and its Terrible Record on Human Rights [wikipedia.org] ; however, money, more than anything else will allow China to continue to sweep its abuses under the rug.

As one of our biggest up & coming trading partners, with billions of US dollars invested in the country, why would we want to do something as silly as Boycotting the 2008 Summer Olypics [rsf.org] ? Yes, its unfortunate; however, the status quo will remain, and China will continue to violate Human Rights, while the US and China's other trading partners will continue to turn a blind eye to the abuses.

----
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Re:Violations of Human Rights (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22826798)

As one of our biggest up & coming trading partners
Up and coming? China is inching up on having purchased north america entirely.

This is nothing new.

Remember the campaign funding scandals during the clinton years?

Re:Violations of Human Rights (0, Flamebait)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 6 years ago | (#22826902)

America (the USA to be specific) abuses human rights too.

Re:Violations of Human Rights (3, Informative)

olden (772043) | more than 6 years ago | (#22827232)

Maybe it's utopian to imagine that the Chinese government cares about its international reputation, but just in case they do (say because of the upcoming Olympics), we might be able to make a tiny bit of difference by expressing our support for the Dalaï Lama and his call for dialog, eg. here: http://www.avaaz.org/en/tibet_end_the_violence/ [avaaz.org]

Hey Slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22826750)

Your new comment scoring system has too many spaces in it: i.e., ( Score:3 , Funny), instead of the old way (Score:3, Funny), which just looks better without all the extra spaces.

Also, when you click the score link, we get a "Moderation Comment Log." Shouldn't that be a "Comment Moderation Log"?

lol china (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22826758)

wait until the black athletes show up and all the chinese start cowering in fear of the "black devils"

this should be an entertaining olympics

Psiphon (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22826824)

No to censorship.

Set up a Psiphon node.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psiphon [wikipedia.org]

OMG! My needs! (1)

mistapotta (941143) | more than 6 years ago | (#22826828)

25 sites are shut down? How am I supposed to watch Ni Hao, Kai-Lan?

its a good thing (1)

stevedmc (1065590) | more than 6 years ago | (#22826832)

Its a good thing we don't have videos on slashdot.

Everyone Says "Fuck China" (5, Insightful)

Skeetskeetskeet (906997) | more than 6 years ago | (#22826866)

But the majority of you will go to Wal-Mart at some point in the next 3 days and buy goods made from China. So who's winning the war here?

Why is this modded down? (1)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 6 years ago | (#22827048)

He is absolutely correct. This is the same effect as the west buying loads of oil from countries like Iran and Venezuela. The money is fed to terrorists. China will do the same. WRT china, the west is feeding this more and more. As long as money is incoming into china, the leadership will continue to send money to Dafar, North Korea, etc, as well as using the profits to crack down on their citizens. While we blame china, the biggest blame belongs with those that keep these leaders in power; The West.

Re:Why is this modded down? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22827470)

good point, no gasoline, stop using your car, green earth !

Re:Everyone Says "Fuck China" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22827592)

...Only if I decide to purchase a new set of tableware.

China fatigue... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22826920)

I'm past caring what they do to their citizens and why.

If they can't be bothered looking out for their own rights, why should we? As long as they don't try and pull that shit in my country, I don't really give a shit any more...

People get the government they deserve.

Re:China fatigue... (3, Interesting)

Sepiraph (1162995) | more than 6 years ago | (#22826992)

There is some truth to that, as much as we like to think what a particular country's government should be, ultimately it is up to its people to decide their own fate. While the (perhaps ignorant) individual may not consciously think of how their country should be governed, the mass which makes up the society as a whole does ultimately, whether consciously or not, ended up dictating the type of government that it deems unacceptable (at least in the sense that they would rather live with the government than revoke against it).

You see, the U.S. people got their freedom as their British ancestors who immigrated to North America decided to revoke against its government for paying too much tax (they had the geographical advantage of having an ocean divde), and the French followed similar course of action (their people were desperate). Their people, as a whole, paid its due for the price of freedom and fought through it. However, it should be noted that each culture and nation has its own unique situation. In the case of China, ultimately it'd be up to its citizens to decide.

Re:China fatigue... (2, Interesting)

matria (157464) | more than 6 years ago | (#22827260)

We might also consider the difference between lightly armed civilians attempting to fight armies armed with horses and muskets and swords, and these same civilians attempting to fight armies armed with tanks, jets and helicopters and modern mass killing weapons.

When your whole neighborhood can be flattened with one rocket, it's kind of hard to do much. I seem to recall reports of our late unlamented friend Saddam using chemical weapons against rebels. How do you fight against that kind of thing being used against your wives and kids?

Proof that rule by a few elite results in stupidty (4, Interesting)

CrazyJim1 (809850) | more than 6 years ago | (#22826944)

China is fighting unarmed(or lightly armed) monks in clear view of the world. While they can censor their own media, everyone else sees China as a bully. The Dali-Lama is actually being given an amplified voice. I sincerely do not believe that China wants the person they're trying to repress be given a bigger soap box, but that is what is happening in reality.

Re:Proof that rule by a few elite results in stupi (2, Interesting)

Ritz_Just_Ritz (883997) | more than 6 years ago | (#22827064)

I spend a lot of time in China. The Chinese media is actually portraying the monks as aggressive "counter-revolutionary" types. The language is similar to what you see western press doling out to Al Qaeda. The typical educated Chinese (I happen to be in Beijing) is buying into it because that is what they see and hear from the "news" on a regular basis. The deaths of civilians is being blamed on them too. Apparently, all the dead civilians "burned to death" even though there is gunfire all over the city. The westerners just roll their eyes.

Hero (3, Insightful)

Fantastic Lad (198284) | more than 6 years ago | (#22827716)

Most nations believe their own propaganda, thinking that "Only our enemies use propaganda on their people". --Until, that is, things starts to get really bad politically. The U.S., in spite of everything, is waking up. It's to the point now that only the slowest of the slow learners don't sigh in disgust when Fox News is mentioned, (though many have yet to recognize just how wide-spread the programming is at this point, but that awareness is coming, albeit slowly).

That being said, China is fskced. I've met some native Chinese who came here to go to school, and the propaganda they carry with them is unreal. "One China" anybody? That freaky film, "Hero" canonizing a butcher pretty much sums that one up. And I've met people who have lived here for over a decade who still hunch up and look frightened when you ask them what they think of the Chinese government. Like abuse victims. I guess the truncheons haven't fully come out yet in the U.S., and real information is still being controlled through ridicule rather than simply being locked down.

I've heard the U.S. described as the largest social experiment on the planet; the objective being to see if it is possible to fully control people without the use of force. Kind of like a beef farmer letting their cattle think they're living happy, free lives when in fact almost every thought and decision is dictated.


-FL

Re:Proof that rule by a few elite results in stupi (0, Troll)

Tomji (142759) | more than 6 years ago | (#22828468)

Not everybody, quiet a few of us are fed up with the one sided media, same thing happend in Albania with the poor "Albanians".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSQnK5FcKas [youtube.com]

I think violence against a minority ethnic group is pretty deplorable, and we have seen some of the worst in Tibet by Tibetans against other ethnic groups (and or religions) who make up 6-8% of the population of the TAR.

Surely the natives suspects something? (1)

Lead Butthead (321013) | more than 6 years ago | (#22826978)

With all the black holes springing up in the network, surely the natives suspect something?

Pure speculation without base (2, Informative)

guojc (1099675) | more than 6 years ago | (#22826986)

Unfortunately, IMO, this is a pure speculation without base. The crackdown is not related with Tibet event. After a few minutes search on the Internet, I find the sites mentioned to be cracked down were cracked before March 14th, when the major unrest was break out. Anyone that can read Chinese, please read this link http://www.cnbeta.com/articles/51236.htm [cnbeta.com] , it is an article about the one of major video sharing site being out of service for one day. It was before March 14th, and before you tube is reported to be blocked. The whole thing is about the government wants to gain more control over web and media, as they suddenly realized that web video sharing site is a new kind of popular media that they do not have control, and some silly rules that they made about web video service. So the whole is not related to Tibet unrest event.

Not surprising (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22826994)

The real issue is that over the next 5 years, this will get worse, not better. As it does, the leadership will want to hold on to their country (and their position). They KNOW that their citizens are a much bigger threat to them than any other nation. So what will happen? They will take the fight out of the country and go elsewhere. IOW, they will attack another country. It could be taiwain. It could also be a country like Russia (great resources for them) and a fairly easy target if they blitz it. But make no mistake. Chinese leadership will have to do something. And it is very doubtful that they will do a number of attacks on the local citizens. Far better to wipe them up into attacking somebody else. Perhaps allow a sky scraper to be taken out by some other group of people, or even bring it down themselves and blame others.

Like the new US, almost (1)

Frank T. Lofaro Jr. (142215) | more than 6 years ago | (#22827002)

Chinese video sharing sites must promise not to show videos that inspire fear, contain pornography, or endanger national security."

Just like the US is trying, except that would include videos which attempt to dispel government sanctioned fear (i.e. of terrorism, pornography or drugs), contain pornography, or endanger national (or corporate) security.

Ah, she flies... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22827024)

The Goddess of Democracy is strong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goddess_of_Democracy [wikipedia.org]

Ah, she flies, hand in hand with the FSM. Noodly appendages never forget.

I can see it now. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22827050)

At the rate things are going now we will only be able to see a censored edition of the Olympics. Specifically only the matches that China wins.

I WILL salute China though, if they can convince their public that the Olympic games are all about tabletennis and goldfarming in WoW.

what have this got to do with the olympics? (1)

zaczac (1260404) | more than 6 years ago | (#22827054)

I live in Hong Kong, a part of China where they haven't banned everything. I don't think that banning video sites is the right thing to do, but the Olympics is where political differences are set aside, to allow athletes to compete for the sake of competition And i think that no government system would allow demonstrators to burn cars, wreck stores and beat up people of other authenticity on the street.

Re:what have this got to do with the olympics? (1)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 6 years ago | (#22827200)

Well, I personally do not agree with the chinese gov, but I agree with you. It will be sad if politics come to the olympics. This is suppose to remain outside of that realm. Besides, I really do not think that boycotts has ever put pressures on the hosting govs.

Oddly enough, a number of countries may pull out for a different reason; China is playing games with the pollution levels there. Several of the world top runners have announced that they will either not run the long races, or will not be in china at all. For this, I can understand why athletes might say no, but hopefully not over politics.

Appreciate the USA (1)

Coretron (1260436) | more than 6 years ago | (#22827596)

A favorite past time of the American citizen is to rip on the minor flaws they find in the system. Stories like these should make us appreciate the free exchange of ideas and information our country has.

no Youtube in Turkey either (2, Informative)

seyyah (986027) | more than 6 years ago | (#22827618)

You can't access Youtube in Turkey. The last time Turkey blocked it, the DNS just pointed to a page giving the name of the court decision that had resulted in the blocking. This time around they've taken stronger measures so simply using another DNS server isn't good enough.

In any case, Turkey is a democracy and it still blocks Youtube because of videos insulting national heroes. That's what you get from an independent judiciary with laws restricting free speech.

How pathetic.. (1)

threefcata (1258676) | more than 6 years ago | (#22827620)

Don't you know all the news covered in CNN, Washington Post, BBC, MSN, Foxnews are manipulated? Check it out yourself at www.anit-cnn.com.. Using pics taken in Nepal and claiming they're taken in Tibet.. hmmm, how objective they are..

Re:How pathetic.. (1)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | more than 6 years ago | (#22827816)

Like the Chinese media aren't heavily censored/manipulated?

The site is www.anti-cnn.com, BTW, and it's interesting to note that it links to a bunch of videos at YouTube - which (in case you missed it) is blocked in China.

Re:How pathetic.. (1)

sdeber (976450) | more than 6 years ago | (#22827990)

Bottom line: All Chinese media claim that they serve the government. CNN, BBC ... all claim that they are neutral and independent. However, I can see it is the truth!

Re:How pathetic.. (1)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | more than 6 years ago | (#22828220)

I can see it is the truth!
Please. You'll have to do much better than that. I can say that there's a UFO hovering over my apartment block, but it's going to take a bit more than my say-so to convince people.

Spread a little thought-provoking happiness (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Bullard (62082) | more than 6 years ago | (#22828132)

Does this [stage6.com] link work from behind the Chinese Communist Party's firewall?


This [phayul.com] one's certainly blocked since it belongs to exiled Tibetans' domain which has for years been under heavy attacks by the CCP's electronic warfare corps.

Since the biggest problem with China is that the masses simply don't know anything else other than the "information" managed by the Party's Ministry of Propaganda, it is imperative that the West begins to pay more attention to the right of the Chinese people to access news sources outside their regime's control. It'd be a start if the US and the EU would not just approve of but actually promote the creation of peer-to-peer filesharing and streaming sites. Strangely, most of the current p2p streaming sites seem to operate from China and Taiwan, but they're strictly centered around "harmless" stuff like sports, entertainment and local dramas without a whiff of anything resembling social or political content.

and the China bashing continues on while in USA (1)

hoyeru (1116923) | more than 6 years ago | (#22828256)

Cheney sez "SO"? in TV when told 2/3rd of US citizens oppose the illegal invasion and continuing occupation of Iraq. Isn't Cheney supposed to follow the "Will of the people"?
Oh yeah, I forget, this is American style "democracy" in action.

Pot-->kettle-->back

knowledge begets knowledge.... (2, Interesting)

3seas (184403) | more than 6 years ago | (#22828258)

... and specific knowledge begets its own increase.

I find it interesting that it appears that most of the sites that point to pages that were installed on my site without my knowledge (just under 2500 pages), are Chinese in origin.

google "threeseas.net" then google 'threeseas .net -"blogger/log/cache"' and see the different in result count. and look at what sites are pointing to those hacked in pages.

It seems the Chinese people are bored and have taken up internet hacking for censorship as a hobby. And hey, even their government is doing it.

What are the effects such hacking has thru AUTOMATED crawlers and AUTOMATED analysis of search engines like google?

Watch as google finds more and more of these pages "not found" on my site (as I have removed them and redirected all hits to those pages) and google finds redirection.... to eventually reduce my legitimate listing in their search results.

Imagine that, Chinese site hacking reducing search results of sites in other countries for the citizens of other countries.

Google and other search engine companies have things they really need to deal with regarding such indirect manipulation of their automated systems.

Until they get a better handle on it, there are far bigger and wider scope issues regarding Chinese censorship then what the article is about.
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