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University of Penn. Recommends Against Vista SP1

kdawson posted about 6 years ago | from the windows-me-plus-seven dept.

Windows 286

At least one university liberal enough to accept the deeply flawed and mostly rejected Vista OS is recommending faculty and students stay away from SP1. "University of Pennsylvania tech staffers are advising faculty and students not to upgrade their computers to the new service pack for Microsoft's Windows Vista operating system. The school's Information Systems & Computing department said it will support Vista SP1 on new systems where it's pre-installed, but added that it 'strongly recommends that all other users adopt a "wait and see" attitude,' according to a newly published department bulletin." And CIO magazine doesn't quite go so far as to call on Microsoft to throw away Vista, but it does ask its readers to weigh in on that topic.

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woot (-1, Offtopic)

Iceykitsune (1059892) | about 6 years ago | (#22838182)


Re:woot (3, Interesting)

DJCacophony (832334) | about 6 years ago | (#22838256)

CIO magazine also doesn't go so far as to call on Microsoft to club baby seals. Why is the summary reporting on shit that people didn't do?
For that matter, why is the CIO magazine article even included in the summary? Did Twitter just scour the internet for anti-Vista articles and throw them all into one stupid Slashdot submission?

Re:woot (-1, Troll)

gad_zuki! (70830) | about 6 years ago | (#22838310)

>Did Twitter just scour the internet for anti-Vista articles and throw them all into one stupid Slashdot submission?

Hi, you must be new here.

We have a few vista boxes at work and have been running sp1 since the RTM and I dont see the difference between this OS and XP, but if all you read is slashdot youd think its like digital arsenic. Of course if all you read is slashdot you would also think that NT is just a unix wannabe, 2000 an expensive upgrade for those who already have 95 and dont need it, and that XP is just 2000 with fisher price colors, so you'd be coming from a biased place anyway. Its hilarious to hear the love some people have for XP now, especially when it was thoroughly trashed here just a few years ago. Oh I almost forgot XP SP2 'broke everything' so should be avoided.

Re:woot (4, Informative)

webmaster404 (1148909) | about 6 years ago | (#22838432)

I dont see the difference between this OS and XP

Except for say UAC, all the DRM and the fact that the thing runs slower on more powerful hardware then XP?

Of course if all you read is slashdot you would also think that NT is just a unix wannabe

It employs many design concepts from *Nix that weren't present in 9X so in a way it is very similar to Unix. Now granted there are only a finite way of solving problems present in Windows 9X so making it more Unix like is one of the ways to make it more secure.

2000 an expensive upgrade for those who already have 95 and dont need it

2000 probably won't run on the same hardware that 95 ran on, so yes they don't need what they can't run.

and that XP is just 2000 with fisher price colors

It is, it is basically Windows 2K with a shiny theme on it much like how Vista is like XP with a bunch of crap thrown on it and a shiny GUI.

A bit off topic, but I can't help replying to such blatant lies.

Re:woot (2, Interesting)

LarsG (31008) | about 6 years ago | (#22838610)

It employs many design concepts from *Nix that weren't present in 9X

VMS, surely?

Re:woot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#22838698)

Yea XP Was total crap before SP1 so i am reserving judgment on vista till this summer or so. the upgrade from OS 9 to OSX was a BITCH! and yes xp will run on windows 95 hardware because i made that leap when xp came out and i had a 1GHz P3 and 512 ram and a bitchin 32 or 64MB Ati graphics card cannot remember and that was state of the art and xp was slow as vista if not even slower and you could edit the xp code in note pad so you know all you xp lovers missed the fun before SP1 you are used to the 3+ year old refined xp that works well in 2 3 years vista will be in the same spot and i never owned 98 or ME and i more than likely won't upgrade till the next os because that is my way and linux is good and fast wine rocks and mac is great for media design they all have pluses and that is why i have one of each.

Re:woot (2, Insightful)

StarvingSE (875139) | about 6 years ago | (#22838542)

Isn't the whole "wait until it's proven to upgrade" thing pretty much standard operating procedure for any major update to software as critical as on OS? I don't know of any organization of significant size that would go ahead and ship off an update without going through extensive testing and determining if the update makes sense. Hell, my unnamed organization just now is updating to SQL Server 2000 to 2005. We have an "if it works, don't fix it" attitude, which makes sense in my opinion. I don't see how this service pack would be any different.

Re:woot (1)

lukas84 (912874) | about 6 years ago | (#22838666)

It depends. I'm working for a Systems Integrator/ISV. All our internal prod stuff is Bleeding Edge. We've been running Vista since Nov 06, and have been using the IIS7 GO LIVE! License. With RTM out, i'll be upgrading all our other servers next month (as long as the software running on them is supported, of course).

No better way to gain experience and real world QA.

Re:woot (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#22838286)

Alright -- this is the last straw!

If this site is going to accept journal entries from twitter as articles for the main page, why don't we just stop bothering with this moderation BS and pretending to be an unbiased site? It's not as if we haven't discussed this topic 100 times already..

Re:woot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#22838478)

Why? Twitter is reformed. The neo-Nazi thing was only a phase. Karma-whoring is twitter's new fad.

Re:woot (3, Insightful)

Naughty Bob (1004174) | about 6 years ago | (#22838488)

If this site is going to accept journal entries from twitter as articles for the main page....
I'd much rather we criticize people's arguments than the people themselves.

Re:woot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#22838790)

I'd much rather we criticize people's arguments than the people themselves.
You must be new here.

Wait and See (5, Insightful)

26199 (577806) | about 6 years ago | (#22838186)

Isn't that the standard advice for any major upgrade on any operating system ever?...

Re:Wait and See (4, Insightful)

cobaltnova (1188515) | about 6 years ago | (#22838212)

Yes, but when it's vista-bashing, it's news for nerds.

It's also a holiday... a slow news day.

Re:Wait and See (2, Insightful)

26199 (577806) | about 6 years ago | (#22838238)

Pfft. Kick an operating system when it's down...

Actually that's called rebooting, isn't it?

Re:Wait and See (5, Funny)

techno-vampire (666512) | about 6 years ago | (#22838254)

Nice operating systems don't go down.

Re:Wait and See (5, Funny)

The Ultimate Fartkno (756456) | about 6 years ago | (#22838288)

Leave it to a slashdotter to confuse operating systems and girls.

Re:Wait and See (3, Funny)

backbyter (896397) | about 6 years ago | (#22838544)

It's that initial "O" that causes confusion.

Re:Wait and See (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#22838612)

So it should be "perating" systems? I'm even more confused without the initial "O".

Re:Wait and See (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#22838822)

Leave it to a snide commenter to prove they don't know anything about blowjobs or girls.

Re:Wait and See (3, Insightful)

Zeinfeld (263942) | about 6 years ago | (#22838672)

These stories get a little tiresome. What is the ultimate source of authority here? A bunch of nerds who read Slashdot. They think their lives will be easier if they persuade people not to change the configuration of their machines. Only on slashdot would that even be considered news.

IT support staff usually suggest what will make their lives easiest. Vista works just fine on the right hardware. As with most O/S you are in for some misery if you attempt to upgrade a legacy machine.

Re:Wait and See (1)

jhoegl (638955) | about 6 years ago | (#22838726)

Notice how the release of the OS stimulates the hardware economy? Think on that for a bit. By the way Linux works just fine on systems 5 years older than anything Vista runs on. Know what thats called? Smart.

Don't do it! (-1, Troll)

Screaming Cactus (1230848) | about 6 years ago | (#22838218)

Vista SP1 breaks things. Important things. Like important programs.

Re:Don't do it! (4, Interesting)

interstellar_donkey (200782) | about 6 years ago | (#22838536)

The MS logic seems to be "Let's make a pretty stable OS, and then let's release a really crummy one". XP was pretty good. I had no problems with XP. I liked XP. Then Vista comes out and nothing seems to work right. I've been using Vista on a few boxes for a year now, and wonder "What's the point? Why would anyone want Vista? A more fancy UI and some nifty media enhancements? Sorry, it just doesn't make sense".

Vista seems to be Windows ME part 2. A really crapy OS to replace a somewhat stable one. I don't see how a service pack could make things any worse.

Re:Don't do it! (1)

lukas84 (912874) | about 6 years ago | (#22838676)

Microsoft decided to fix some glaring security architecture issues that previous operating systems had, and now badly written 3rd party software breaks.

And you guys blame Microsoft. If one developed software against the recommendations for Windows XP, there wouldn't have been much breakage. Of course the one or other thing could still go wrong, but it's the 3rd parties fault for not providing a fix at the time Vista was officially released.

Re:Don't do it! (1)

Computershack (1143409) | about 6 years ago | (#22838722)

Vista SP1 breaks things. Important things. Like important programs.
12 out of tens of thousands - a handful of those being shitty second rate security applications that would never ever grace the HDD of a computer I own.

Re:Wait and See (2)

Mordok-DestroyerOfWo (1000167) | about 6 years ago | (#22838226)

I'm not entirely sure what the big deal is. My tech department gave the same advice for XP SP1. It may be a little bit different for Vista since the release version (and I use that term very loosely) was so awful. What's the term...once bitten twice shy? It's not that we don't trust Microsoft...oh wait, that's exactly it.

Re:Wait and See (2, Insightful)

oledoody (794438) | about 6 years ago | (#22838326)

yes..and the advice you'll get from most university tech support. At least that's what my people are saying. I didn't upgrade to Leopard either. :))) Do I really need a new printer and a new scanner??

Common Sense vs. Sensationalism (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#22838586)

"Journal written by twitter (104583) and posted by kdawson"

'nuff sed...

Liberal? (4, Insightful)

conner_bw (120497) | about 6 years ago | (#22838188)

At least one university liberal enough...

Shouldn't that read conservative a.k.a reactionary a.k.a cautious about change?

Re:Liberal? (1)

DJCacophony (832334) | about 6 years ago | (#22838222)

If they were cautious about change then they would not have accepted Vista, which is a change. Accepting the change to Vista would be liberal, not conservative.

Re:Liberal? (2, Interesting)

cobaltnova (1188515) | about 6 years ago | (#22838276)

No, because big business is "conservative" and anything else is "liberal" in this strange age of ours.

Re:Liberal? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#22838328)

It shouldn't read liberal or conservative. It should read sucky. That is the adjective that fits UPenn best. Sucky.

Re:Liberal? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#22838358)

They were liberal enough to try Vista despite it coming from Microsoft. However, if one wants to argue whether supporting Microsoft is a liberal or conservative position in the United States, look back to what happened to the case the people of the United States had against Microsoft once George Bush entered the White House.

Re:Liberal? (5, Insightful)

RonnyJ (651856) | about 6 years ago | (#22838490)

It's a stupid statement anyway, demonstrating an obvious anti-Vista viewpoint - what exactly is meant by "one university liberal enough to accept ... Vista"?

The university would offer advice and support for the students own computers - any reasonable university is going to be "liberal enough" to let people use their own machines!

Re:Liberal? (1)

perlchild (582235) | about 6 years ago | (#22838526)

Why do we have to confuse a technically-charged "business" decision with politics anyways?
I swear I wish we could keep those conservative vs liberal arguments for the goverment's spending.

Oh wait you think because it's public money, it becomes a governmental issue? Then why isn't the CIO of a university elected?

Sheesh it's gvmt or it's not, but it can't be halfway.

from-the-twitter-is-a-troll-dep. (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#22838200)

Please stop posting troll stories by Twitter, thank you.

Huh? (4, Interesting)

The Ancients (626689) | about 6 years ago | (#22838224)

As has been said above; this was going to happen. I know of companies running OS X, companies running Linux servers, who all adopt the wait-and-see approach. I'm not that impressed with Vista either, but I don't think I've ever seen an update to an operating system in which all users had total confidence in the manufacturer and OS enough to all update, no questions asked.

Yes, I agree there are certain aspects of Vista which deserve to be slated, but this is more process related than product related.

Re:Huh? (4, Insightful)

webmaster404 (1148909) | about 6 years ago | (#22838304)

I know of companies running OS X, companies running Linux servers, who all adopt the wait-and-see approach.

Yes, but companies need much much more stability then college students. Most OS X upgrades are just fine and only usually break apps that modify the OS a lot, the same could be said though with adding random repositories to Ubuntu/Debian and the OS will break sometimes on installing the next version. But generally, I wouldn't recommend a Ubuntu user not upgrade to 8.04 when it comes out, nor would I recommend a Mac user not going to Leopard. However it seems that Vista SP1 is bad enough to warrent students not to upgrade, now that is saying something.

Re:Huh? (5, Insightful)

Z_A_Commando (991404) | about 6 years ago | (#22838512)

I happen to be a college student who upgraded to Vista SP1 on Tuesday when it showed up on my Windows Update. I have had no problems whatsoever in the past 5 or so days since the upgrade and my machine hasn't been shut down since the upgrade. Your response appears to be more conjecture and, dare I say, fear mongering. If you haven't upgraded to SP1, which I suspect you haven't, then please stop making the entire OS sound absolutely horrible. The wait and see attitude works fine, just don't make it sound like you should never upgrade. Why would Penn's IT department, which provides end-user support for students and staff, advocate upgrading? They have to support many more boneheaded users across a much wider array of systems than any corporate IT staff ever will. The number of unknowns and unresolved issues at the release of any patch, however large, is the reason for the wait and see attitude. They would much rather have someone else deal with problems as a result of the upgrade than deal with it themselves. That's the main reason for "wait and see". Allow someone else to iron out the problems, and hopefully it's Microsoft and whoever made the application that's broken. So there's nothing new here, just more fodder for people to say Vista is such a bad OS without ever using it for more than 10 minutes at Best Buy.

Re:Huh? (1)

webmaster404 (1148909) | about 6 years ago | (#22838562)

I am going off the article, where usually if a college doesn't recommend their students to upgrade usually the service pack isn't that stable or for some reason they are a MS hater. I myself don't have a Vista machine however I do lots of troubleshooting/repair on them and I have to say its about the worst OS, haven't seen any with the new SP though.

Re:Huh? (1)

cbart387 (1192883) | about 6 years ago | (#22838852)

My college usually will push the MS updates to all their computers about a week later then they're available, just so IT can check that everything is kosher. I would imagine that a SP would be given an even longer testing time. That's probably not the whole story but it could very well be a factor. Just throwing that out since each 'side' seems to take the side of 'black or white'. I think there's plenty of the grey palette we can use as well ;)

Re:Huh? (4, Insightful)

erroneus (253617) | about 6 years ago | (#22838446)

That hasn't always been the case. There are still people who happily swallow anything dished out by Apple. And truly, Microsoft once had a fan base that had people standing in line for Windows 9X for days! Actually, as OS updates go, people have been begging for Vista SP1 because Vista in its original form was abysmal for many users... the people had been hoping that SP1 would provide what the original release failed to deliver. For some people SP1 actually made things worse.

And while CIO doesn't come out and say "Microsoft, dump Vista!" they 'explore the idea' in such a way that it's pretty much what they are saying without using expletives and they certainly seem to be recommending it.

What I find amusing is that force ONCE my predictions on something have come true. Before Vista was released, I believed it would be as popular as WindowsME. Well, I wasn't entirely correct--I think WindowsME had a stronger following. But as far as OS successes go, Vista ranks right in ME's neighborhood.

In the past, the next version of Windows might have been hailed as a 'triumphant come back' or some such thing... WindowsME did not cause the public to doubt Microsoft in the slightest. They just counted WindowsME to mean "Windows MistakE." But Microsoft has saved its real mistake for Vista. Vista has been FORCED onto a public through OEM channels resulting in a public that actually refused to buy hardware based on the fact that there was no WindowsXP option quite frequently. Microsoft back-peddled by allowing "downgrade rights" but I'm not sure how many people actually got that memo because the practice of avoiding machines "sold with Vista" is still going on.

Microsoft may choose not to listen to its users, but they're damned stupid for not listening to their OEMs. Apple's popularity is only growing because of it and while there may be some out there, I have yet to actually hear about people switching back from Mac once they've committed to the move.

*Facepalm* (3, Insightful)

Bertie (87778) | about 6 years ago | (#22838272)

Why are they letting Twitter back on his soapbox?

Re:*Facepalm* (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#22838556)

Well, you've got to fit in the daily two minutes hate somehow.

Re:*Facepalm* (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#22838682)

/. was starting to make sense, so emergency action was taken. Tomorrow: Erris reports on how M$ killed his puppy.

Why stop here? (4, Funny)

PhasmatisApparatus (1086395) | about 6 years ago | (#22838284)

Why not take it a step further and recommend against Vista?

Re:Why stop here? (1, Insightful)

webmaster404 (1148909) | about 6 years ago | (#22838354)

Because if the university runs on Windows, eventually they guess they will have to either migrate to OS X/Linux or accept Vista. Vista will eventually be accepted when 3-4 gigs of RAM becomes common and 3.0 GHZ CPUs are common also. It was the same with XP except that XP was an upgrade from ME while Vista is a downgrade from XP.

Re:Why stop here? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#22838644)

3GHZ PC were common back in 2005! And i'm running the OS with 1.5GB of RAM.

Re:Why stop here? (1)

lukas84 (912874) | about 6 years ago | (#22838690)

Well, if you don't like Vista you have to switch platforms. XP support will run out, period. You have to move on or Switch.

Yawn... (3, Insightful)

Jugalator (259273) | about 6 years ago | (#22838294)

This article felt so worthy of a "slownewsday" tag... We are also waiting a bit with upgrading the few Vista computers we have running over here. It's just common sense, and has nothing to do with Vista, by the way.

The news here has to be those companies that jumps to SP1 without checking up on any risks with that. You'll have a harder time finding stories about those.

Re:Yawn... (1)

webmaster404 (1148909) | about 6 years ago | (#22838366)

The news here has to be those companies that jumps to SP1 without checking up on any risks with that.

Most companies are not using Vista. Most are still using XP or Windows 2K. The companies that are using Vista generally are smaller companies that aren't tech-based.

At least we still have XP! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#22838302)

XP works just fine for me. I don't care about eye candy in my OS that much anyway.

Interestingly, most people still choose 6 year old XP over a brand new OS X.

Nice summary Twitter... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#22838306)

And good decision to accept it, kdawson. You two are some of the best sources of unbiased information out there. Keep fighting the good fight!

I throw Vista away all the time (5, Interesting)

Radi-0-head (261712) | about 6 years ago | (#22838336)

I have been a die-hard Microsoft user since MS-DOS on my ancient Heathkit XT clone. I currently use XP Pro and XP Media Center. I refuse to install Vista, as I enjoy a certain degree of control over my operating system. I still, by habit, use command lines in a DOS window to do things that Windows can do via the GUI. I guess I'm showing my age...

This experience comes at a cost, namely supporting machines for my family and friends. Never mind what the media and professionals say about Vista, but when my friends and family BEG me to remove Vista and replace it with XP, you know something is bad wrong with this operating system.

These days, if someone is buying a new machine, and all they do is email, browsing, pictures and the like, I will always recommend a Mac. I don't have to support the damn thing - it just works. If they're intent on a PC or need one for certain software, I send them to the Dell Outlet where you can still get a fantastic Core 2 Duo Optiplex with a 3-year warranty and XP for a few hundred bucks.

If by chance I'm forced into Vista, I too am moving to Mac. Times change. Microsoft fucked up. I never thought I'd be advocating Macs, ever.

Re:I throw Vista away all the time (1)

Stormwatch (703920) | about 6 years ago | (#22838424)

Macs now have a command line now too. Have fun.

Re:I throw Vista away all the time (0)

Swizec (978239) | about 6 years ago | (#22838600)

Macs have had a command line since the dawn of time ...

Re:I throw Vista away all the time (1)

Stormwatch (703920) | about 6 years ago | (#22838674)

As far as I know, Macs didn't have a CLI before OS X. Well, except if you had a debugger installed, but that doesn't count. I mean a CLI that comes with the system.

Re:I throw Vista away all the time (1)

techno-vampire (666512) | about 6 years ago | (#22838450)

If by chance I'm forced into Vista, I too am moving to Mac.

Why? That means buying a new computer whether you need it or not. Why not just move over to Linux? That way you can use your existing computer. Not only that, Linux isn't as resource intensive as Windows (especially Windows iCandy) so you'll find your current box working faster than ever. Not saying you must chose Linux, or that you'd be stupid not to, just asking why you don't consider it a viable option.

Re:I throw Vista away all the time (2, Interesting)

Radi-0-head (261712) | about 6 years ago | (#22838540)

Showing my age again... I want something mainstream, that's widely supported without reading wikis and compiling kernels and chasing down drivers for my Bluetooth chipset. I unfortunately need to run Microsoft Office in a stable, proven platform. And, for the moment, I support the mainstream OSes for all of my clients, so it helps to be running the same software they use.

I get the allure of Linux, I understand its stability and security, I buy devices that use it whenever possible... I just don't have the time or desire to contribute to its care and feeding...

Re:I throw Vista away all the time (3, Informative)

techno-vampire (666512) | about 6 years ago | (#22838646)

Showing my age again...

That you are. And, unless I miss my guess, showing how long it's been since you took a good look at Linux. It now comes with drivers for most common peripherals, and almost every mainstream distro (except Gentoo, of course, but that's a special case) provides precompiled kernels. If you need to work with MS Office files, OpenOffice reads, edits and saves in that format if you need it to, and I've never had the slightest compatibility issues. Linux is much easier to work with now than it was ten years ago, and for somebody with your computer experience, it's more than ready for Prime Time. Again, I'm not saying you must or even should switch, just making sure you understand that it's a viable option now.

Re:I throw Vista away all the time (1)

cobaltnova (1188515) | about 6 years ago | (#22838656)

What's the time frame you are talking about?

If you aren't buying a computer for a couple years there's a very good chance that all your present software will be perfectly supported under Wine (or, at least better than the alternatives for that same software).

Office 2000 and Photoshop 7 work pretty well darn well under Wine for me today (granted not perfectly, though).

Re:I throw Vista away all the time (1)

rolfwind (528248) | about 6 years ago | (#22838626)

If you read into that properly, it probably means at the time of purchasing a new computer. Why would he be forced into Vista otherwise on his existing computer?

Microsoft won't let XP be offered forever on new computers (but maybe until the next major OS release, we see how it goes). But it will undoubtedly be supported for at least the greater part of another decade (regardless of MS's current projections).

Re:I throw Vista away all the time (3, Informative)

bzipitidoo (647217) | about 6 years ago | (#22838736)

My brother uses Vista. He likes to think of himself as relentlessly practical on computer decisions. I built a 64 bit PC for him, and made it triple boot: 64 bit Windows XP, 32 bit Windows XP (just in case), and 64 bit Xubuntu Linux. And he threw it away for a computer with Vista. Why? He wanted to keep using an old Canon laser printer he had. Canon wasn't going to make a 64 bit Windows XP driver for it, they weren't going to help the Linux people make a driver, but they did make drivers for Vista. He said the machine with Vista preinstalled "just worked", and mentioned some other software (VPN stuff I think) that gave him troubles. Also was afraid to use OpenOffice to create doc and xls files. Afraid that they might not work in MS office, and creating them in OpenOffice then switching to MS to check was too much bother. I suggested his email recipients also switch to OpenOffice, but that of course was a non-starter.

He doesn't care why. When something doesn't work, he doesn't care whether it's MS's fault. He wants to use computers, not screw with them. I keep wondering how long this can last before something bites him in a tender spot and Vista (fairly or unfairly) gets blamed or excused.

Journal (2, Interesting)

RonnyJ (651856) | about 6 years ago | (#22838368)

'Interesting' journal by twitter linked to in the summary:

http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/177855 [slashdot.org]

Shame it's not updated for SP1, contains links to lists of links of things that are out of date (e.g. iPod problems), has silly claims, contains inaccurate/biased 'studies' like this [slashdot.org] highly scientific study of five games (highly debunked in the comments).

For what it's worth, I'd highly recommend that Vista users install SP1.

mod do3n (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#22838376)

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I'm running vista business and I'm happy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#22838398)

Vista Business and aero on a 30$ ati x300, and 1GB of ram.

No crashes so far.

Able to run eclipse and visual studio 2008.

People seem to want to portray vista as the coming of the anti-crist, but so I'm very happy with it.

Re:I'm running vista business and I'm happy (1)

VampireByte (447578) | about 6 years ago | (#22838622)

Vista Ultimate on 2.4 Northwood & 1 GB memory, Radeon 9700 w/ 2 monitors. Always have Visual Studio 2008, SQL Mgt Studio and several remote desktop connections to test servers open. Never had a problem, it works great. All the problems being reported remind me of the early days of XP... everybody hated that OS back then, now they love it.

This is just so dumb (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#22838400)

So let me get this straight - a bunch of SAs basically got together and said, "Don't do anything to your PCs that you might have to call me for?" And this is news?

Vista SP1 Helped Me (2, Funny)

BountyX (1227176) | about 6 years ago | (#22838440)

Vista SP1 helped me. When I installed it and recieved more driver errors than before, I decided it was time to venture beyond the mac/windows/linux world and into the world of BSD's. I'm so torn between FreeBsd and OpenBsd....now I have both on my server :)

Get Over Yourself (1)

mp3LM (785954) | about 6 years ago | (#22838664)

Everyone really needs to start getting over themselves. XP is an old OS and is not nearly as secure as Vista. The quirks people complain about in Vista are usually because of the software development company not adherring to the SDK for Vista. I've seen very few legitimate complaints about Vista. As has already been stated by many users this is not an arguement about the quality of Vista this is an arguement about the quality of IT/Sys Admin Professionals. I for one salute the IT/Sys Admin Professionals at whatever school this is (UPenn...Penn State...who know, who cares :P). As for people who've installed Vista SP1 and have had multiple driver issues this is no ones fault but your own. SP1 is not pushed as a critical update on all machines and yours was probably one of them. This means that your computer doesn't meet the requirements (in this case proper drivers) of SP1. You should have checked everything before installing it.

So.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#22838464)

When are we going to get the articles highlighting the benefits of SP1 [pcmag.com] here on /.? The positive comments [slashdot.org] posted as 'articles'? I've installed it on 3 machines already and it certainly has improved the system a lot, it feels far more responsive and I didn't have any problems during the install either. By browsing the comments on the previous SP1 'story' (some negative blog comments) here on SlashDot [slashdot.org] I am not alone in this. Looking around the web I can find many having a similar positive experience with SP1 yet /. continues to fail to report this.

Penn State is not the University of Pennsylvania (4, Informative)

tietack (982580) | about 6 years ago | (#22838470)

I know it's important only to alumni and friends of these schools, but Penn State (Twitter's Firehose title) is different from the University of Pennsylvania.

Penn Support (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#22838502)

It's most likely because Penn's financial program relies on IE6 and barely supports IE7. Of course, it could be because they haven't got their incentive check from Microsoft yet.

The Slashdot Trifecta (4, Funny)

westlake (615356) | about 6 years ago | (#22838518)

1 It bashes Vista

2 It's a post from Twitter.

3 It got the green light from kdawson.

Does anyone actually use Vista? (2)

Es Esmu Adams (1200809) | about 6 years ago | (#22838538)

Just curious, who out there actually uses vista and enjoy's it? I have an upgrade from XP to Vista from my university sitting in a drawer, but I won't touch it, not until I start hearing good things about Vista, but I guess its just going to sit there. Do you think maybe Microsoft thinks it has too many customers?

Re:Does anyone actually use Vista? (1)

TheIndifferentiate (914096) | about 6 years ago | (#22838636)

I bought a Dell Inspiron 530 in January to put Kubuntu on it as I had been running it on my then current PC. Much to my dismay, I found that I really liked Vista, and I kept it and am now using it full time instead of Kubuntu. You can check my old posts here, I have been a harsh critic of Microsoft in the past, but I haven't had any problems with Vista. Probably because the hardware is new and built for it. Now, I liked Kubuntu a lot too, but I cannot say the same thing about it it. I always had one thing or another that I had to fix on it. The last thing was when I moved the PC it's on to a different table so my wife and son can use it, I switched its network cable to a different port on my router. After that, Kubuntu fails to retain the DNS IP for more than a day or so. I found a handful of others who had the same problem, but none who found a way to fix it. That's just an example, I'm not slamming Kubuntu for it, but if it was occuring on Vista, you can bet there'd be an outcry and rebellion over it.

Re:Does anyone actually use Vista? (1)

BountyX (1227176) | about 6 years ago | (#22838648)

I have it on two machines. SP1 did toast my drviers but I'm using very unique hardware (neither of which work on linux or mac).

Vista rocks. (1)

headkase (533448) | about 6 years ago | (#22838654)

I use it and it works great. I also have hardware that suits it: Dual core 3.0ghz, 2gb ram, hd2600xt video. If you have old hardware (e.g. what came with XP) then I wouldn't recommened using Vista but if your computer doesn't contain parts made of stone then Vista works good. SP1 makes it even better. And some people complain that it's a RAM hog, it is *but* the reason RAM utilization is high is because Vista takes unused RAM and dynamically uses it as a cache. When Vista does it it's considered a pig but the other day when an article talking about doing the same thing for Linux came up of course it was a giant leap for computing kind. Check your bias around here I guess.

Re:Does anyone actually use Vista? (1)

VampireByte (447578) | about 6 years ago | (#22838668)

I like it a lot as mentioned in my post [slashdot.org] above. I really like aero and as time goes by it becomes less a matter of "eye candy" and more something that makes you productive.

Re:Does anyone actually use Vista? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#22838702)

I've been using it since December, and all I can say is I love it and it's getting better and better. It seems that most people don't like Vista based on initial impressions from Jan 07, which consisted of app incompatibility and driver issues. Today, most of the compatibility, driver, and performance issues have been ironed out. I use Vista on a 1.8 GHz Athlon 64 3000+, 1GB RAM, Gefroce 6600GT. This 4 year old computer is by no means a powerhouse, but it runs Vista flawlessly.

So I know some people have been burned by application incompatibility and driver issues, but my personal experience with Vista has been it performs great, supports all my hardware, supports all my applications, and offers me great new features like superfetch, improved networking stack, improved windows photo gallery, etc.

Re:Does anyone actually use Vista? (1)

lsproc (943512) | about 6 years ago | (#22838704)

I do. I am writing this post on a Vista machine, which I find a lot more stable and better built than XP used to be on this box (XP feels like a empty shell in comparison, metaphorically)

Re:Does anyone actually use Vista? (1)

Computershack (1143409) | about 6 years ago | (#22838738)

I love it. Tried going back to XP and missed the little tweaks as well as getting completely fucked off trying to get network browsing working - something that's still broke on XP half a decade after its release.

Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#22838554)

I'm a unix/mac user, and have been for years. I had to buy a Windows machine for a specific project, so I went with an Acer laptop (~500 USD). I bought it last week, it came with Windows Vista, and everything worked just fine. Sure, the UI sucks, but it's easy to go back to a "productive" look and feel. I noticed file copying was painfully slow. I applied SP1 the night it camed out, and the machine works just fine -- and file copying is way faster.

I strongly suspect that machines "born" with Vista in them work just fine. I think MS screwed up with forcing people to upgrade to an OS that clearly needs different hardware. But going from these observation to saying that Vista should die, is a bit of a stretch. They should not market it as an upgrade, but target it only to new machines with the "right" hardware. Plus, new features that may be marketed as an upgrade should be available, such as .NET 3.5 and DirectX 10...

I never thought I'd be defending MS, but come on, stop missinforming people. Vista is not the devil, it actually works, and it is a clear improvement over other versions (granted, last one I used was NT 4)

Horrible recommendation (3, Interesting)

wicka (985217) | about 6 years ago | (#22838588)

"At least one university liberal enough to accept the deeply flawed and mostly rejected Vista OS is recommending faculty and students stay away from SP1."

I wonder if by this you mean that they are ignorant enough to recommend against a service pack that, on the four systems I've installed on, works great and improves any troubles I've had with Vista. I still wonder just how few of the people who call Vista "deeply flawed" have actually tried it (my guess is four).

Wait a sec. (5, Interesting)

T23M (705682) | about 6 years ago | (#22838606)

Weren't we supposed to "wait and see" UNTIL SP1 came out?

Re:Wait a sec. (1)

EarlW (530437) | about 6 years ago | (#22838652)

SP1 was released to the public this week. I'm tired of fixing these problems myself, so I called Microsoft to help me install SP1 after Windows Update failed to install it 4 times. They offer free support for SP1 problems. I made sure to have a complete system backup and spare computer before calling. We're up to about 6 hours of chat/telephone support time now and it still doesn't install.

What an odd summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#22838632)

What the hell is this submitter on? First of all, somebody explain to me how using Vista makes you a "liberal". Second, if students, faculty, or staff want to use Vista, what the hell kind of university is going to forbid them from it, as the submitter seems to suggest? The university's IT people are paid to enable these users to get their work done, not punish them for their choice of software like a bunch of petty morons. Nobody forbids me from using Linux on my university's network, nor would I expect them to do so for people using Mac or Windows. This guy's really got it backwards.

As for the content of the article... I can't speak for the UPenn IT people or whatever issues they've encountered with it, but my own personal experience is that sp1 works better than the initial release. For me (I dual boot linux and vista), it's been fewer bugs, fewer crashes, faster performance. Your mileage may vary.

Uh, not Penn State (5, Informative)

Tickenest (544722) | about 6 years ago | (#22838684)

It's saying "Penn State" in a couple of places on Slashdot, but this story is from the University of Pennsylvania, which is not the same school. Penn State is in Happy Valley, PA, while the University of Pennsylvania is in Philadelphia, PA.

Temple University Recommends Against Vista Too (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#22838806)

Welcome: A Message from Timothy O'Rourke, [temple.edu]
Vice President of Computer and Information Services

Microsoft Vista coming soon
For the past few months, Computer Services has been preparing for the release of Vista. This preparation has included testing the system with University critical applications and Web sites, working with vendors, consulting with representatives from Microsoft, and researching and determining the most effective methods for delivering the product to the University community.

Our aggressive research and testing of Vista have identified a number of applications and sites that do not work and some that function less than optimally with Vista. Currently, we are waiting for vendors to release updated software that is compatible with Vista. As we receive software updates, we will continue our extensive and thorough testing to ensure that each package complies with our high standards and expectations.

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