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Adobe Puts Free Photoshop Online

Zonk posted more than 6 years ago | from the actually-not-that-bad dept.

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Amit Agarwal writes "Adobe today launched a basic version of Adobe Photoshop available for free online. Photoshop Express will be completely Web-based so consumers can use it with any type of computer, operating system and browser. According to Yahoo! News, Adobe says providing Photoshop Express for free is part marketing and part a strategy to create up-sell opportunities. It hopes some customers will move from it to boxed software like its $99 Photoshop Elements or to a subscription-based version of Express that's in the works."

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Already Free (4, Funny)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 6 years ago | (#22886662)

I thought Photoshop was already free. Why would I want a Web-based version?

Re:Already Free (1, Interesting)

calebt3 (1098475) | more than 6 years ago | (#22886760)

Chances of prosecution go from infinitesimally small to nil. And those here with a conscience can set their minds at ease.

Re:Already Free (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22886826)

And chances of infection go from unlikely to zOMG what happened to your tool?? Running executables from shady sources? No wonder you guys have problems with viruses.

If were going to talk about free photoshop, I propose we link to it. [gimp.org] And free illustrator, [inkscape.org] and free indesign. [scribus.net]

Re:Already Free (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22887192)

Gimp is NOT Photoshop, nor is it even remotely comparable. Inkscape, though a nice program, isn't quite up to the same bar as Illustrator (though it can most certainly get the job done). And InDesign is the best, with Scribus and Quark being in a close second.

Gimp is absolutely not a "free Photoshop" though.

Re:Already Free (2, Informative)

blhack (921171) | more than 6 years ago | (#22887344)

Gimp is NOT Photoshop, nor is it even remotely comparable. Inkscape, though a nice program, isn't quite up to the same bar as Illustrator (though it can most certainly get the job done). And InDesign is the best, with Scribus and Quark being in a close second.
Probably a flame, but I'll bite.
What specifically can you do in Photoshop that I can't do in Gimp? Its probably just a matter of what you're used to. I grew up on gimp. If you stuck me in front of a Photoshop rig, there is very little chance that I would be able to do ANYTHING with it.
As far as Inkscape, have you used version 0.46 yet? Its really really good. It just came out a couple of days ago, so I suggest you check that out. Honestly, people talk about firefox, or gimp being great examples of what OSS can do, but IMHO, Inkscape is one of the BEST examples of just how awesome F/OSS software can be.

As far as scribus goes: I use it EVERY SINGLE DAY. The ONLY thing that it can't do that commercial software can is Spot Colors out of the box. This is pretty simple to fix though, you just need to edit a config file. If you're a designer, you really ought to have a pantone book laying around, so just match up the colors you want, and put the names in the Config. Google it, its pretty simple.

Really, if this was more than a flame i would love to know. What really can you do in Adobe products that I can't do in OSS ones?

Re:Already Free (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22887436)

Not a flame, but it is the dealbreaker he is talking about when it comes to GIMP vs Photoshop: GIMP's inability to do CMYK or something along those lines. So it is not professional grade (I may be simplifying it), not something you can turn in to a professional printing company, but for the hobbyist and/or FOSS fan, it's enough.

It's cropped up often enough in these type of GIMP vs Photoshop stories.

Re:Already Free (5, Funny)

i_liek_turtles (1110703) | more than 6 years ago | (#22887438)

Actually, for photos I use emacs.

Re:Already Free (5, Informative)

chexy (956237) | more than 6 years ago | (#22887196)

If your on a windows system why not use Paint.net http://www.getpaint.net/ [getpaint.net]

Re:Already Free (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22887366)

Doesn't even support pressure sensitivity with tablets.

Re:Already Free (1)

glwtta (532858) | more than 6 years ago | (#22887502)

Doesn't even support pressure sensitivity with tablets.

Oh and the Flash-based thing does? Impressive!

I've been happily using Paint.NET for the sort of trivial, software development-related image editing needs that I used to use, uh, "extended evaluation" copies of Photoshop for. It covers the basics quite well.

Re:Already Free (1)

billcopc (196330) | more than 6 years ago | (#22887300)

I CBA to sign up for this crap, but my hunch is this will lead more users to get the warezed version.

There's one thing Photoshop did to me, it warped my brain in such a bizarre way that trying to use any other image editing software gives me Tourettes! I'm not saying Photoshop is any better, but Adobe's anal-retentive UI paradigms force you to unlearn common sense, to make room for the mask-based editing concepts.

I tried the Gimp, and frankly I couldn't wrap my head around it, not because it wasn't good enough, but because it's not Photoshop. I suspect many new users will go through the same painful addiction.

It's not actually web-based either. (1)

Reverend528 (585549) | more than 6 years ago | (#22887308)

From the site:

This content requires the latest Adobe Flash Player.

You will lose your copyright on your pictures.. (4, Informative)

New_Age_Reform_Act (1256010) | more than 6 years ago | (#22886666)

Read the ToS: [photoshop.com]

Section 8 (a):

Adobe does not claim ownership of Your Content. However, with respect to Your Content that you submit or make available for inclusion on publicly accessible areas of the Services, you grant Adobe a worldwide, royalty-free, nonexclusive, perpetual, irrevocable, and fully sublicensable license to use, distribute, derive revenue or other remuneration from, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, publicly perform and publicly display such Content (in whole or in part) and to incorporate such Content into other Materials or works in any format or medium now known or later developed.

Thanks I will stick with GIMP [gimp.org] instead.

Of course, if you need free stuff, there is always The Pirate Bay.

Re:You will lose your copyright on your pictures.. (5, Informative)

The End Of Days (1243248) | more than 6 years ago | (#22886694)

...that you submit or make available for inclusion on publicly accessible areas of the Services...
Reading comprehension FTW!

Re:You will lose your copyright on your pictures.. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22886928)

section 8b
"Publicly accessible" areas of the Services are those areas of the Adobe network of properties that are intended by Adobe to be available to the general public. However, publicly accessible areas of the Services do not include Services intended for private communication or areas off the Adobe network of properties such as portions of World Wide Web sites that are accessible via hypertext or other links but are not hosted or served by Adobe.

MOD PARENT UP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22886736)

Time for one to switch to FOSS instead.

Re:MOD PARENT UP (4, Insightful)

calebt3 (1098475) | more than 6 years ago | (#22886918)

Please, give a better argument than "OSS rulz!". There are perfectly good non-FOSS software out there that won't require you to give up your copyrights (CS3 is probably the best, but it's not the only one) And in this case, you only use your copyright if you make it available on their public galleries. If you are going to promote FOSS, please argue on its more unique merits (I understand that OOo is better for writing books than MS Office)

Re:You will lose your copyright on your pictures.. (1)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 6 years ago | (#22886738)

All they are saying is that if you upload shit to their Web site image library, they can do what they want with it. This is not a problem for most people. Gimp is a problem for most people, but you can stick with it if it floats your boat.

The bottom line for this thing is that it's not that hard to get a copy of Photoshop, and Elementsa is cheap. I don't see this getting a lot of use.

Re:You will lose your copyright on your pictures.. (0)

calebt3 (1098475) | more than 6 years ago | (#22886946)

it's not that hard to get a copy of Photoshop, and Elements is cheap
Heh, if one is going to pirate software, it's best to pirate the superior program.

Re:You will lose your copyright on your pictures.. (1)

future assassin (639396) | more than 6 years ago | (#22887084)

You can also get Paint Shop Photo X2 from the Corel website http://www.corel.com/ [corel.com] for like $55 with this coupon UG40OFFSEP

Re:You will lose your copyright on your pictures.. (1)

charlieman (972526) | more than 6 years ago | (#22887194)

Once they make a native version for GNU/Linux, I'll probably get a copy. Meanwhile, the Gimp is more than enought for me. That their software is good doesn't mean i have to bear (or pay for) crappy OS...

Re:You will lose your copyright on your pictures.. (1)

CowboyNealOption (1262194) | more than 6 years ago | (#22886788)

Uploading goatse FTW!

Re:You will lose your copyright on your pictures.. (1)

Lobster Quadrille (965591) | more than 6 years ago | (#22887320)

Hoorays! Now you use distortion effects to make that hole look even bigger.

You sicko.

parent post grossly underrated (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22886846)

Most people don't even read the EULA / ToS before using any software, especially if it is free.

Re:You will lose your copyright on your pictures.. (2, Insightful)

TheVelvetFlamebait (986083) | more than 6 years ago | (#22887260)

Of course, if you need free stuff, there is always The Pirate Bay.
That statement and the one in your comment's title seem incongruous somehow...

TOTAL FAILURE OF THE SLASHDOT MODERATION SYSTEM (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22887414)

Two later post that are completely redundant (and posting exactly the same thing) both receive a +5.

http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=502054&cid=22886858 [slashdot.org]

and

http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=502054&cid=22887000 [slashdot.org]

yet the parent post, despite being the first one pointing out this fact about Adobe ToS, being continously slapped with "Overrated" mod points.

I see a general trend of discrimnation against Slashdot subscribers. I am sure sooner or later this site is going to lose revenue.

Not working properly on Mac (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22886672)

Not able to register on Safari browser

Re:Not working properly on Mac (1)

IANAAC (692242) | more than 6 years ago | (#22886836)

Did you try it in firefox on the Mac? Or another browser?

I ask because it works on a bog-standard Linux distro with firefox 2.0.*. I suspect your should have written that it's not working properly in Safari, but would work in another browser.

Re:Not working properly on Mac (1)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 6 years ago | (#22886982)

Not able to register on Safari browser

I didn't try to register, but using the test drive feature seems to work. It seemed functional, with the exception of applying the distortion filters. (Safari 3.1 and OS X 10.5.2)

Ahoy (3, Interesting)

Apoorv Khatreja (1263418) | more than 6 years ago | (#22886674)

Adobe is becoming smarter by the day, and this is one of the moves that would give them an advantage over the other competitors in the photo-editing market.

Re:Ahoy (2, Interesting)

iamhigh (1252742) | more than 6 years ago | (#22886992)

Adobe is becoming smarter by the day
I wish they would put some of that smarts into the products they buy and ruin.

More on-topic, this is something we are going to have to get used to. In 10 years my guess is that all major software will have something like this and in 20 years MS Office, Adobe Acrobat and many others might be completely online, forcing (or attempting) to force you to purchase licenses for the software.

Re:Ahoy (1)

Apoorv Khatreja (1263418) | more than 6 years ago | (#22887046)

force you to purchase licenses for the software.


That's what Apple II, Atari 800 and Commodore 64 did. We all know what happened after that.

More companies (2, Interesting)

sskagent (1170913) | more than 6 years ago | (#22886704)

I hope this leads to more companies following in Adobe's footsteps. Free, while toned down, versions of software has often led me to buying the full version later on.

shareware (2, Funny)

Rob T Firefly (844560) | more than 6 years ago | (#22887450)

I liked this idea better when it was called "shareware" and you just had to mail a fiver to some BBS kid in Missouri.

Upsell? I think not! (3, Informative)

Bryansix (761547) | more than 6 years ago | (#22886706)

Why would I want to move from this to Photoshop Elements. Elements sucks hardcore. It is hard to use while proporting to be easy to use. It holds your hand wand walks you right off a cliff. I'd much rather either have this simple express version or the full fledged CS3 version for many hundreds of dollars. It's as simple as that. If I wanted something in the middle I would use GIMP and Inkscape for free.

Re:Upsell? I think not! (1)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 6 years ago | (#22886892)

It is hard to use while proporting to be easy to use. It holds your hand wand walks you right off a cliff.

Use the GIMP, it leads you straight to the cliff.... Just kidding. My mom uses Ubuntu Linux and she knows by now how to resize her pictures by using the Gimp to 800x600 so that she can sent them by email. The Gimp ain't hard, just like in photoshop you need to explain how it works.

Photo manipulation is not easy and that's the whole thing to remember.

Re:Upsell? I think not! (1)

vtcodger (957785) | more than 6 years ago | (#22887126)

For those with simple photosizing, rotation, etc needs and who are not GIMP compatible, irfan runs perfectly well under WINE. (http://www.irfanview.com/)

I am VERY wary of online computing (3, Interesting)

Ralph Spoilsport (673134) | more than 6 years ago | (#22886710)

If I'm not directly involved with being online, I tend to not have the modem even on, and I find this kind of thing creepy and somewhat offensive.

RS

Re:I am VERY wary of online computing (5, Funny)

moderatorrater (1095745) | more than 6 years ago | (#22887378)

I, for one, am grateful that you turned your modem on, connected it to your computer, got over your creepy and offended feelings, then posted (in an uninvolved sort of way) about your habits.

Wanna hear a secret? (-1, Troll)

keineobachtubersie (1244154) | more than 6 years ago | (#22887396)

No one cares about your opinion.

This is ... complicated (1, Insightful)

Tribbin (565963) | more than 6 years ago | (#22886720)

This is:

a. one less reason to stick with Windows
b. one less reason to switch to linux

Re:This is ... complicated (1)

psychodelicacy (1170611) | more than 6 years ago | (#22886754)

I understand a), but what's your rationale for b)?

Re:This is ... complicated (1)

calebt3 (1098475) | more than 6 years ago | (#22886822)

Why? As far as Photoshop in concerned, you already lacked incentive to stay with Windows: It's on Mac (and is now purported to be very well supported in WINE). As for not switching to Linux...

Photoshop Express will be completely Web-based so consumers can use it with any type of computer, operating system and browser.

Re:This is ... complicated (2, Insightful)

wizardforce (1005805) | more than 6 years ago | (#22887110)

a makes sense, b just begs the question wtf?

will be completely Web-based so consumers can use it with any type of computer, operating system and browser.
what does this have to do with not using linux? it was my understanding that one of the major reasons [read excuses] people used for not moving away from windows to linux was that their apps from windows would only work in windows, removing that obstacle for certain adobe software would seem to make it one less reason *not* to use linux [damn double negatives]

Re:This is ... complicated (1)

Tribbin (565963) | more than 6 years ago | (#22887432)

So it was sort of a far fetched wordplay meant to lightly confuse. Hm, it made perfect sense in my head but seems kinda awkward reading it back.

What I meant:

a. One less reason to stick with Windows.
b. One less reason to switch (the developers of Photoshop) to linux.

Fucking Flash. (5, Insightful)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 6 years ago | (#22886730)

From TFS:

will be completely Web-based so consumers can use it with any type of computer, operating system and browser.

Except, of course, operating systems or browsers which don't have flash... [photoshop.com]

Can we invent a new term for sites like these? "Web-based" is misleading -- it makes you think of open standards and compatibility. I propose "Flash-based."

Re:Fucking Flash. (3, Interesting)

Apoorv Khatreja (1263418) | more than 6 years ago | (#22886924)

So that excludes the people who would want Photoshop to go Web-based, the MOST.

I'm talking about people using Opera or Konqueror on Linux. The Adobe Flash Player 7 and even 9 Beta works very, very poorly with these browsers, on Linux, and doesn't seem to be improving at all. The only browser being given attention is Firefox.

Guess we Linux users will have to wait for a long time, before we really starting using the internet and get recognised by the world.

Re:Fucking Flash. (1)

MMC Monster (602931) | more than 6 years ago | (#22887176)

So that excludes the people who would want Photoshop to go Web-based, the MOST.

I'm talking about people using Opera or Konqueror on Linux. The Adobe Flash Player 7 and even 9 Beta works very, very poorly with these browsers, on Linux, and doesn't seem to be improving at all. The only browser being given attention is Firefox.

Guess we Linux users will have to wait for a long time, before we really starting using the internet and get recognised by the world.
Unless, of course, you try using firefox sometimes.

Re:Fucking Flash. (1)

Apoorv Khatreja (1263418) | more than 6 years ago | (#22887204)

You're right. In fact, I did try out the Firefox 3 Beta 4, and loved it, was amazed, had absolutely no intentions of turning back to Opera, until yesterday, when they kicked some balls and made 100% on the Acid3 test. Opera FTW.

Re:Fucking Flash. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22887302)

Maybe you Linux users could go help out with Gnash [gnashdev.org] development.

Or just keep on bitching and moaning, I guess. Whatever.

Re:Fucking Flash. (1)

LunaticTippy (872397) | more than 6 years ago | (#22887050)

I can't picture how you could do real-time editing of a picture without Flash. The only ways I can think to do it at all would be slow and very server intensive.

Personally, I would like to see a nice lynx photo-editing app, but I am not going to hold my breath.

Adobe Photoshop Express (1)

Vk_NY (1254626) | more than 6 years ago | (#22886744)

I think it's a great idea to give people a taste of what Photoshop is like. Funny how a co-worker sent me the email announcing the launch telling me that my days as a freelance graphic artist were numbered...

Re:Adobe Photoshop Express (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22886808)

Photoshop Express is nothing like the real Photoshop. I took a quick "test drive" and it's an online gallery that allows you to apply some global effects to the pictures (change hue, brightness, etc).

Re:Adobe Photoshop Express (4, Informative)

Ford Prefect (8777) | more than 6 years ago | (#22886884)

I think it's a great idea to give people a taste of what Photoshop is like.
... Except it's nothing whatsoever like Photoshop. At all.

I had a quick go at 'editing' a photo in the test-drive thing, and there didn't seem any way of actually drawing anything. I'd say it's much closer in concept to a drastically simplified Photoshop Lightroom [adobe.com] - it's even got the same colour scheme and vague general layout. Except where Lightroom will manage untold gigabytes of photos on your own computer, doing on-the-fly conversions and adjustments from raw format, Express looks more like an advanced, online photo management system.

It's definitely not Photoshop Photoshop.

Re:Adobe Photoshop Express (2, Interesting)

antikaos (1166401) | more than 6 years ago | (#22887086)

Yeah, this is NOT "Photoshop", just a simple photo editor, nothing revolutionary here. Not going to have any impact on PS usership, much less an effect on decisions to or not to switch to 'nix, Gimp is much much nicer than PS Express and I hate Gimp.

Photoshop is currently 1,5 Gb, 22000 files... (1)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 6 years ago | (#22887130)

Last time I installed PS it installed 22,000-odd files and gobbled up 1.5Gb of disk space. Photoshop Elements isn't much lighter.

So how do they propose to reduce all that to a flash add-in...?

They can't.

Why not just use The Gimp? (2, Insightful)

Snipor (523540) | more than 6 years ago | (#22886756)

The Gimp is free and works great. I haven't used Photoshop in years.

Re:Why not just use The Gimp? (5, Insightful)

serviscope_minor (664417) | more than 6 years ago | (#22886934)

I can't use GIMP because I NEED CMYK (seriously, how many people on /. need CMYK?) and I'm a professional photo editor (according to GIMP related threads, /. is positively infested with photographic professionals). And because I've spent so long pirating it that I am incapable of learning another UI. Oh, and apparently the name prevents me from using it as well.

Yeah, I know, mod me troll, but this is how about half of the posts on the GIMP related threads read. Most people aren't like that. In fact, I don't know anyone who is. For them and me, the GIMP is great, and free.

Re:Why not just use The Gimp? (2, Informative)

Lobster Quadrille (965591) | more than 6 years ago | (#22887238)

I'm in information security now, but I studied illustration in college and CMYK is definitely a must, if you ever want to send your work to press.

Gimp is an extremely awkward UI. Photoshop is nice and clean.

You seem to be complaining about the fact that people have legitimate reasons not to use gimp. I'm one of 2 linux users in an all-windows shop, and I hate non-open software as much as any /.er, but Photoshop is one of the few examples of absolutely phenomenal closed-source software.

Do I wish it was open? Hells yes. I have no doubt it'd be a lot better.

Re:Why not just use The Gimp? (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 6 years ago | (#22887256)

(seriously, how many people on /. need CMYK?)

I can't tell you numbers, but anyone who's doing professional work for print media needs CMYK. It's not that unusual if your doing any kind of graphic design or photo work.

according to GIMP related threads, /. is positively infested with photographic professionals

It shouldn't be too shocking if there are a lot of people who need to do something that involves professional-level features. Anyone working in graphic design, advertising, or even a creative branch of some other kind of company might need some particular features (including CMYK). I worked for an engineering firm that wanted to send some presentation materials to a professional printer so they looked nice. Those needed to be in CMYK.

I am incapable of learning another UI

Or maybe you're in a position where it'd cause a big mess to try to force an entire department of graphic designers to use a UI they don't like?

Oh, and apparently the name prevents me from using it as well.

Or maybe it prevents you from selling your PHB on using deploying it in a large company, especially when the name could sound like it's related to sex acts or making fun of people with disabilities.

Sorry, you're right that all these things do come up every time people talk about the GIMP. I guess it's because some people refuse to accept that the GIMP has some shortcomings, despite being a very good and very useful program.

Re:Why not just use The Gimp? (1)

Ford Prefect (8777) | more than 6 years ago | (#22887276)

I can't use GIMP because I NEED CMYK (seriously, how many people on /. need CMYK?) and I'm a professional photo editor (according to GIMP related threads, /. is positively infested with photographic professionals).

Heh. These same 'photographic professionals' will be bitterly disappointed with higher-end software like Apple's Aperture and Adobe Photoshop Lightroom - I didn't see any references to CMYK in the fully-functional trial versions I played round with the other week. Plus I liked the latter program so much that I bought it - and the only colour-space options I can find are 'ProPhoto RGB', 'AdobeRGB (1998)' and 'sRGB'.

Oh no! However will those Slashdot pundits cope?

As for Photoshop Photoshop - I'd been using The GIMP since version 0.99something, nearly ten years ago, and the other week I finally got round to switching to Photoshop CS3. Photoshop is definitely a smoother, more streamlined and more capable program, and most of my image-editing skills have transferred intact (creation of texture maps for computer games and the like, so pretty involved) - but for most stuff, the latest version of The GIMP manages just fine. And its colour management has progressed way beyond the previous pretend-it-doesn't-exist status of not so long ago...

Can Photoshop Express replace The GIMP? Err ... no, except perhaps for some very vague, ultra-simple tasks. If anything, the two could complement each other - in a vaguely similar way to how I have both Photoshop CS3 and Lightroom installed on this 'ere Mac.

Photoshop Express? Online image management, and very basic rotation and correction.
The GIMP? A full-scale image editor.

Completely different.

Re:Why not just use The Gimp? (4, Insightful)

Em Adespoton (792954) | more than 6 years ago | (#22887310)

I guess this is a good place to point out that GIMP now supports CMYK. My only issue with GIMP nowadays is that the keybinding-follows-frontmost-window/focus feature really doesn't work well and clashes horrendiously with the OS X interface.

Modern Photoshop isn't a picnic either, but I don't spend time actively fighting against the UI to try to get things done like I do with GIMP. I don't care one bit about learning a different workflow, but it shouldn't involve workarounds to the UI itself.

Re:Why not just use The Gimp? (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 6 years ago | (#22887374)

I'm not incapable of learning another UI. I just don't want to learn one that looks like ass and that I hate. Pretty much every other application lets me arrange it the way I want it, GIMP insists on splattering windows all over my desktop so they look like a mess with whatever is underneath. I don't way to walk down the One Gnome Way, give me a normal workspace with dockable widgets. Gimpshop and the other hacks are nice but they don't come as "sudo apt-get gimp" to install and I got better things to do than fucking around with my time making trivialities like that work. Hell, even Gentoo users have better use of their time. For that reason (and because I prefer KDE for so many other reasons), I use Krita for most of my edits which is clearly less powerful but at least it's user-friendly. Gnomish answers like "get used to it and the pain will go away" I got enough of with Microsoft, thank you.

P.S. I have also tried CS3, and it's IMO the best both on UI and features. It's just not worth the price...

Re:Why not just use The Gimp? (1)

blhack (921171) | more than 6 years ago | (#22887406)

I can't use GIMP because I NEED CMYK (seriously, how many people on /. need CMYK?) and I'm a professional photo editor (according to GIMP related threads, /. is positively infested with photographic professionals). And because I've spent so long pirating it that I am incapable of learning another UI. Oh, and apparently the name prevents me from using it as well.
I do all the design work for my company in Scribus/Gimp/Inkscape. I have NEVER had a problem sending something to a printer.
Ever.

Re:Why not just use The Gimp? (1)

Apoorv Khatreja (1263418) | more than 6 years ago | (#22887106)

I wish the GIMP devs understood the need for an Integrated working environment. GIMP is great, has a lot of power and tools, but I really don't like the idea of 3 different boxes floating around on my desktop while I'm editing a single picture. An easy to access toolbox, embedded in the window in which I have my picture, would be much more convienient and would certainly increase productivity.

Before a flame war starts here, I have to say - after Photoshop, GIMP is the best photo-editing tool I've used.

Sounds like Picnik (4, Informative)

Skidge (316075) | more than 6 years ago | (#22886762)

Sounds kind of like Picnik [picnik.com] , which provides free basic photo editing and is integrated directly into Flickr. It's pretty handy for doing some tweaks on your photos. Picnik has some advanced, paying-account-required features, though, so maybe Photoshop Express will be better in that regard.

Easy photoshops (1)

Drakin020 (980931) | more than 6 years ago | (#22886774)

So does that mean it will be easier to make funny photoshop pictures now? This may be good for those that don't feel like installing the application.

excellent opportunity for FOSS (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22886780)

I recently used Photoshop CS3 on an OS X Mac. While Photoshop used to be THE Mac application, it's still stuck 10 years in the past.

This is an excellent opportunity for Free Open Source Software. The GIMP's two biggest problems are: 1) butt ugly 2) poor color support.

OS X/Cocoa provide a nice user interface AND excellent built in CMYK color support. I think we should rewrite GIMP (or better yet, start a new project entirely) designed to take advantage of the Cocoa/OpenStep/GNUStep and kick photoshop's proprietary ass.

Re:excellent opportunity for FOSS (1)

glitch23 (557124) | more than 6 years ago | (#22887326)

Adobe InDesign from the CS3 Master collection also starts slower on OSX compared to Windows. Not sure why.

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? Questions.?? (1, Insightful)

Zymergy (803632) | more than 6 years ago | (#22886840)

Why is it ONLY Flash 9 based?

Why not download something locally that checks in for updates and new features only but runs locally? (Sometimes I require the ability to edit images in the field while only having a remote EDGE Cell Connection.)

Why is it so DOG Slow?

How do you turn on the decades-old proven standard Photoshop tool bars?

Why does it require my images to be uploaded to be edited? (I do not want any of my copyrighted media to cross the line of possession demarcation.)

Does Adobe use retain share or gain any legal use of my uploaded images?

Am I the only one noticing this "service" appears to be only intended for amateurs in image manipulation?

How is this ANY better than the FREE GIMP?? http://www.gimp.org/ [gimp.org]

Re:? Questions.?? (2, Informative)

brunascle (994197) | more than 6 years ago | (#22886878)

Why does it require my images to be uploaded to be edited?
because Flash doesnt have access to your filesystem. if it did, it would be quite a security issue.

Re:? Questions.?? (2, Funny)

theNetImp (190602) | more than 6 years ago | (#22886942)

Why is it so DOG Slow?

Two symbols. /.

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Re:? Questions.?? (1)

MishgoDog (909105) | more than 6 years ago | (#22887040)

Because you've totally confused the intent of Photoshop Express with a fully fledged image editing tool.
It's not intended to be 'just a free version of photoshop', it's partly an experiment in online applications (doesn't everyone these days keep talking about moving apps online?), and it's aimed at people who (like me) hop computers a lot and get frustrated with the fact they don't have simple image editors on every computer they use.
I don't want to (and on some computers I use, with no Admin access, I can't) install local files. I just want to edit photos so I can email an edited version to a friend, or (etc).
Yes, if I wanted a more feature filled, offline version, I'd go buy Elements or CS, or use GIMP, or some other strategy.
Don't confuse channel strategy - online is a different strategy to offline, and there are benefits to each. You are obviously not the target for the online channel - but that's no need to claim it as redundant.

Re:? Questions.?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22887098)

Any how is this better than Paint.NET (for all of us Windows users)?

Doesn't work on Flash9-Linux (3, Interesting)

sd.fhasldff (833645) | more than 6 years ago | (#22887318)

I tried it, but it just says my Flash isn't supported and redirects me to Macromedia.com, which then directs me back to to adobe.com for a new flash download.

Flash 9.0 r48, Firefox, Ubuntu Gutsy 64bit.

Not sure if it REALLY wants a newer version of Flash or if the 64bit-ness is confusing it.

Re:? Questions.?? (1)

krazo (220290) | more than 6 years ago | (#22887370)

Why is it ONLY Flash 9 based?

Because it uses Flex 2.

Why not download something locally that checks in for updates and new features only but runs locally? (Sometimes I require the ability to edit images in the field while only having a remote EDGE Cell Connection.)

Adobe invented AIR for this use case. There will be an AIR version that should probably do just this.

Why is it so DOG Slow?

Wasn't too bad for me. I would assume it's because their server is swamped since the headline is all over the net. Slashdotting++?

How do you turn on the decades-old proven standard Photoshop tool bars?

You don't. It's not a photoshop replacement. It's not meant to be a photoshop replacement.

Why does it require my images to be uploaded to be edited? (I do not want any of my copyrighted media to cross the line of possession demarcation.)

That's a privacy issue no doubt. But I'd assume that the server is doing a lot of the "photoshop" work. I doubt it's possible in Flex. So it needs the photos on the server to do that.

Does Adobe use retain share or gain any legal use of my uploaded images?

Maybe. They shouldn't but I wouldn't put it past them.

Am I the only one noticing this "service" appears to be only intended for amateurs in image manipulation?

Hopefully not since that's who it was designed for.

How is this ANY better than the FREE GIMP?? http://www.gimp.org/ [gimp.org]

If you're a "non-rank non-amateur" it probably isn't. I don't find the GIMP particularly easy to use. I'd use this photoshop express tool to put a stack of photos up, quickly page through, crop and edit some of them and then share them with whomever I wanted to. But I'm pretty amateur in my needs. Still, that's the use case it's targetted for and I'd argue that for that particular case (upload, resize, crop, rotate, remove red eye, change saturation, publish to facebook) it's probably way easier and faster to use than the GIMP.

Re:? Questions.?? (1)

margretli (851537) | more than 6 years ago | (#22887404)

Am I the only one noticing this "service" appears to be only intended for amateurs in image manipulation?
No, apparently both Wired.com [wired.com] and Ars Technica [arstechnica.com] noticed this is aimed at "amateurs".

Re:? Questions.?? (1)

bay43270 (267213) | more than 6 years ago | (#22887408)

It requires flash 9 because it's a Flex 3 app. They used Flex 3 so they could make an Air version, which will solve your second and fifth questions. It's dog slow because its a flex app. It doesn't have photoshop toolbars because it doesn't have photoshop's tools. It's for entry level users (as you later point out). Adobe does retain the rights to your images... probably copy/pasted from the EULAs at Facebook, Myspace, etc. It's not better than GIMP for those experienced in image manipulation (that's what Photoshop is for). It's targeting less sophisticated users, and is much more useful for that market than GIMP.

Well they already have serious competition... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22886854)

a.viary [viary.com] is in beta (but you can sign up for a quick invites) and offers a pretty impressive online image editing suite. I'm not much into image editing / manipulation but the things [youtube.com] people [youtube.com] are already doing with it [youtube.com] are pretty damn impressive.

Terms of Service give Adobe unlimited rights... (4, Interesting)

abh (22332) | more than 6 years ago | (#22886858)

The scary thing which isn't getting much play is that the terms of service indicate that if you use their hosting/gallery service, Adobe has a royalty-free, unlimited license [hockleyphoto.com] to use your photos in any way they choose...

Re:Terms of Service give Adobe unlimited rights... (1, Informative)

glitch23 (557124) | more than 6 years ago | (#22887376)

So don't post your images to public areas of the service, otherwise they do not have the right to do anything with them. From their ToS [photoshop.com] which someone else already pointed out (emphasis mine):

Adobe does not claim ownership of Your Content. However, with respect to Your Content that you submit or make available for inclusion on publicly accessible areas of the Services, you grant Adobe a worldwide, royalty-free, nonexclusive, perpetual, irrevocable, and fully sublicensable license to use, distribute, derive revenue or other remuneration from, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, publicly perform and publicly display such Content (in whole or in part) and to incorporate such Content into other Materials or works in any format or medium now known or later developed.

Publicly accessible areas of the Services are those areas of the Adobe network of properties that are intended by Adobe to be available to the general public. However, publicly accessible areas of the Services do not include Services intended for private communication or areas off the Adobe network of properties such as portions of World Wide Web sites that are accessible via hypertext or other links but are not hosted or served by Adobe.

Bottom line: just don't post your images to publicly accessible areas of the service and you'll be fine. For those who this is targeting, I doubt they would care. For anyone else, you wouldn't be using this service anyway and would already have Photoshop installed (legally or otherwise) on your workstation.

Signed up to see what the fuss was about. (4, Informative)

DRAGONWEEZEL (125809) | more than 6 years ago | (#22886880)

Here is what I have noticed so far.

Requires Flash 9. to install.
They have a notice that basically says
Account creation is heavy today it may take 60 minutes to recieve your e-mail.

Mine (done 4 min. ago) took about 1 min.

Super fast uploading! 1 3mb pic took all of 3 seconds to upload!

Very basic editing tools, but has a few cool distortion features. One neat thing to note is links to external sites such as Picassa, Photobucket and Phacebook! (er uh Facebook!)

Gallery and gallery sharing is neat, but slow (probably due to high use right now)
This won't come close to replacing your pirated versions of PS you all have at home. It'll be interesting to see if they add new tools or leave it as is.

Any kind of OS and browser? (4, Funny)

serviscope_minor (664417) | more than 6 years ago | (#22886896)

Sweet! It works in lynx!

Re:Any kind of OS and browser? (1)

Constantine XVI (880691) | more than 6 years ago | (#22886964)

So it even works on w3m on AIX?

Re:Any kind of OS and browser? (4, Funny)

trb (8509) | more than 6 years ago | (#22887102)

Sweet! It works in lynx!

Now I can edit my cache of ascii art!

Adobe Online Productivity Office (5, Informative)

PortHaven (242123) | more than 6 years ago | (#22886958)

Adobe's Online Office Productivity Suite:

Photoshop Express (Photo Editor)
https://www.photoshop.com/express [photoshop.com]

Buzzword (Word Processor)
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Sliderocket (Presentation Software)
http://www.sliderocket.com/ [sliderocket.com]

Blist (Spreadsheet)
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Beware license RIGHT GRAB (2, Informative)

future assassin (639396) | more than 6 years ago | (#22887000)

This is on the Adobe website at https://www.photoshop.com/express/terms.html [photoshop.com]

Please pay attention to this - fully sublicensable license

8. Use of Your Content.

1. Adobe does not claim ownership of Your Content. However, with respect to Your Content that you submit or make available for inclusion on publicly accessible areas of the Services, you grant Adobe a worldwide, royalty-free, nonexclusive, perpetual, irrevocable, and fully sublicensable license to use, distribute, derive revenue or other remuneration from, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, publicly perform and publicly display such Content (in whole or in part) and to incorporate such Content into other Materials or works in any format or medium now known or later developed.

Awesome. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22887028)

Now I have zero reasons to upgrade my slowly becoming antique Photoshop 5 LE that I've been using for many years now. I love adobe products but not their prices... til now that is.

Just tried it out for a while (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22887056)

I just used it for a while and am very unimpressed. I thought it would be decent at least but it isn't. This is about the dumbest idea I have even seen. Calling this thing Photoshop Express is an insult to Photoshop. It should be given some goofy web2.0 name and advertised as such. This is more a Flikr thing than it is a Photoshop ting.

This _might_ be useful if you can browse the web but can not install software for some reason (Wii, PS3, WebTV or such). Otherwise on Linux or Windows Gimp is free and 100 times better.

Any OS/Browser? (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 6 years ago | (#22887142)

Doesn't seem to work on my hand built OS running Grail as the browser.. Or my atari running STiK..

On a more serious note, why would i want to choose this over something free that runs locally that i know wont be yanked in 6 months due to a change in the weather at Adobe, and effectively orphaning my files?

Hooray for Photoshop Express at work (1)

theurge14 (820596) | more than 6 years ago | (#22887160)

Finally. Now I don't have to suffer with Microsoft Paint at work on Windows machines I don't have access to install software on. It's rather amazing after all these years Windows still doesn't have something to properly crop and resize images with.

Re:Hooray for Photoshop Express at work (1)

shurikt (734896) | more than 6 years ago | (#22887454)

You can crop and resize using MS HTML Help Image Editor. And your IT department probably won't complain about installing it for you. http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms669985.aspx [microsoft.com]

No thanks (1)

dmsuperman (1033704) | more than 6 years ago | (#22887266)

Won't even load in firefox, and in IE it continues to insist that I don't have flash installed when I've clearly run the installer that they themselves redirected me to. I'll stick with my TPB'ed free Photoshop. Runs faster anyway.

Just a silly observation (0, Flamebait)

Apoorv Khatreja (1263418) | more than 6 years ago | (#22887342)

In Adobe Photoshop Express [photoshop.com] , check out the Asian girl at the top-left, whose title says "Smile".

Notice that the "Exposure" filter that they claim "Made you Look" actually made you look at how racist the tool is, they made her coloured from white.

BIG FAT LIE: "any type of system" (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22887362)

It isn't going on Firefox on Linux. I just tried it. It needs the new version of Flash, which, as we all know, Adobe refuses to supply for Linux.

Free? (1)

kcredden (1007529) | more than 6 years ago | (#22887460)

It has been free for a number of years. It's called 'The GIMP' and it's skin; 'GIMPShop' Just took a class in Photoshop, and guess what? With a bit of research, I'm using GIMPShop for all my homework. So far, so free :) - Kc
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