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Huge Interest Brings Wikileaks Offline

CmdrTaco posted about 6 years ago | from the yet-drudge-still-stands dept.

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DragonFire1024 writes "Wikinews.org — The Wikileaks website, which publishes sensitive and censored material submitted by anonymous contributors, has experienced unprecedented levels of Internet traffic today through public interest. This interest has caused the website's servers to be unable to meet the enormous demand of over 164 gigabytes of download traffic within twenty-four hours, leading the site to be temporarily inaccessible."

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Conspiracy theorys (1)

2.7182 (819680) | about 6 years ago | (#22904124)

I predict many conspiracy theories in the future regarding the maintainers of this site. Assasinations, bribes, etc.

Twofo is dying is dying (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#22904164)

Twofo [twofo.co.uk] is Dying is Dying

It is official; GNAA [www.gnaa.us] confirms: Twofo is Dying is Dying

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleagured slashdot trolling community when Google confirmed that Twofo troll posts had dropped yet again, now down to less that a fraction of 1 percent of all slashdot posts. Coming hot on the heels of a recent usenet survey which plainly states that Twofo trolling frequency has fallen, this news serves only to reinforce what we've known all along. Twofo trolls are collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in a recent digg.com comprehensive trolling test.

You don't need to be one of the Slashdot moderators to predict Twofo Trolling's future. The writing is on the wall: Twofo trolling faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for Twofo trolls because Twofo trolling is dying. Things are looking very bad for Twofo trolls. As many of us are already aware, Twofo trolling continues to decline in popularity. IP bans flow like a river of firewall rules.

"Twofo is Dying" trolls are the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of their core posters. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time trolls yoinkster and astropoint only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: Twofo trolls are dying.

Lets keep to the facts and look and the numbers.

Twofo Trolling leader Smelly_Kat states that there are about 7000 "twofo is dying" trolls. How many "Zeus sucks cock" trolls are there? Let's see. The number of "Zeus sucks cock" trolls versus "Twofo is dying" trolls on slashdot is roughly in the ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 "Zeus sucks cock" trolls. "Fuck twofo" posts on slashdot are about half the volume of "Zeus sucks cock" posts. Therefore there are about 700 trolls specialising in "Fuck twofo". A recent article put "destroy twofo" at about 80% of the twofo trolling community. Therefore there are about (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 "destroy twofo" trolls. This is consistent with the number of "destroy twofo" slashdot posts.

Due to the troubles at Twofo, abysmal sharing, ITS, lack of IP addresses and so on, "destroy twofo" trolls stopped posting altogether and were taken over by "Zeus sucks cock" trolls who specialise in another kind of slashdot posting. Now "Zeus sucks cock" trolls are also dead, their corpses turned over to yet another charnel horse.

All major surveys show that Twofo trolls have steadily declined in slashdot posting frequency. Twofo trollers are very sick and their long term survival prospects are very dim. If Twofo trollers are to survive at all it will be among hardcore slashdot posters, hellbent on Twofo's destruction. Twofo trolls continue to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save Twofo trolls from their fate at this point in time. For all practical purposes, Twofo trolls are dead.

Fact: Twofo trolls are dying

In know what it was. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#22904204)

It was the Chinese and the Jews conspiring to keep evidence that space aliens shot JFK and then flew off with Elvis in their flying saucers.

Freenet? (1)

CRCulver (715279) | about 6 years ago | (#22904128)

Is there any organization effort to automatically mirror the contents of Wikileaks on Freenet?

Re:Freenet? (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#22904188)

Or Tor, if you want it to not suck.

Re:Freenet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#22904836)

the operators of wikileaks want people to be able to see the site, so why bother putting it up on a system that nobody uses?

Re:Freenet? (4, Informative)

FreenetFan (1182901) | about 6 years ago | (#22904960)

There is some ad-hoc mirroring of Wikileaks onto Freenet. Recently, images from the protests in Tibet, and the leaked documents from the Julius Baer bank were put there.

According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikileaks#Technology [wikipedia.org] :
"Wikileaks is based on several software packages, including MediaWiki, Freenet, Tor, and PGP."

No-one involved with the Freenet project knows exactly how it uses Freenet; it certainly doesn't seem to be an official partnership.

Freenet is ideally suited to this kind of thing: freesites (Freenet's equivalent of websites) are fairly quick to retrieve and tend to stay in the network long-term. And of course, creating and reading them is totally anonymous and uncensorable.

There has been a lot of work done recently into making the Freenet installation process as easy as possible, and an official release of Freenet 0.7 is due in the next few weeks, so watch this space.

Spread the word. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#22904134)

"This interest has caused the website's servers to be unable to meet the enormous demand of over 164 gigabytes of download traffic within twenty-four hours, leading the site to be temporarily inaccessible.""

Which is another way of saying, Mirroring.

Re:Spread the word. (2, Interesting)

phoenixwade (997892) | about 6 years ago | (#22904198)

Which is another way of saying, Mirroring.
Which is another way to say "Needs Mirroring" What I find interesting is the Slashdot effect exceeded the Slashdot effect.... In other words, Wiki-rumors, it's not just for geeks anymore....

Re:Spread the word. (3, Interesting)

gbjbaanb (229885) | about 6 years ago | (#22904496)

or .. needs bittorrent. Don't wikileaks host very large documents on their site? surely transferring that load to everyone else makes sense, not only because it reduces the load but also spreads the actual documents.

Re:Spread the word. (2, Insightful)

Rich0 (548339) | about 6 years ago | (#22905474)

Yeah - it would be nice if somebody created a server-oriented bittorrent distribution system.

The website would post a torrent, and would also seed the torrent. If nobody else seeded it then the website would end up uploading the file to anybody who asked for it - which is no worse than what they'd otherwise end up doing. However, as soon as more than one person starts downloading at the same time you get automatic load-distribution, and if anybody sticks around and seeds then you get even more bandwidth.

All you need is a decent daemon that will take a file and create a torrent and track it and seed it, and restore all this stuff anytime the daemon is restarted. I can't find anything that does exactly that...

Re:Spread the word. (2, Interesting)

Danny Rathjens (8471) | about 6 years ago | (#22905488)

Perhaps there is an ethical concern regarding the fact that if you distribute via a torrent then the downloaders also become distributors of the content.

With the kind of material involved it could open up the "distributors" to repercussions in their home countries much more serious than those regarding copyright infringement; e.g. repercussions involving imprisonment, harassment, just being added to the wrong list, or even death in some places for treason.

Not the first time (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#22904136)

I had an issue with the same thing when the Scientology papers were leaked. Lets hope they can recover.

Help (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#22904144)

This Article will help slow things down for sure!

Not offline? (0)

LordKaT (619540) | about 6 years ago | (#22904150)

Wikileaks is back up. Can anyone say "slow news day?"

Re:Not offline? (3, Insightful)

Mateo_LeFou (859634) | about 6 years ago | (#22904168)

as a precautionary measure, i honestly think we *should take note whenever WL goes down.

Re:Not offline? (3, Insightful)

LordKaT (619540) | about 6 years ago | (#22904342)

Look, I'm all for keeping an eye out on Wikileaks. I think it serves a very important purpose in a time when a lot of governments - and their people - feel that the withholding of information is a good idea.

But Wikileaks simply succumbed to an overwhelming demand of visitors. This news story is like saying "Look! People are actually reading shit about the Tibetan protests rather than trying to find out who Paris Hilton's new best friend is going to be! Oh my god!"

Re:Not offline? (2, Funny)

Daimanta (1140543) | about 6 years ago | (#22904350)

And on the same hour it gets back up again, people post a link in a /. article to the site. Way to go!

Re:Not offline? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#22904740)

Prophetofdoom.net
Jihadwatch.org

That's all you need to know about Islam, to realise we are ALL facing a battle for our very lives. Muslims are insane psychopaths, that's all there is to it.

Re:Not offline? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#22905296)

Wikileaks is very overexaggerated around here a lot and basically they are trying to make another flavor of the week Wikipedia.

This video is on Youtube, Liveleak and many other torrent sites.
What the hell does a site that deals with leaks a lot of the time made up have to do with this Fitna video that is not even considered a leak.

Wikileaks - "your site for fiction leaks and old daily news"

rubbing salt in the wound (5, Funny)

jollyreaper (513215) | about 6 years ago | (#22904156)

This interest has caused the website's servers to be unable to meet the enormous demand of over 164 gigabytes of download traffic within twenty-four hours, leading the site to be temporarily inaccessible."
And so you post the story to slashdot with a link to the site in the summary. Why don't you give 'em papercut and pour lemon juice in, too?

Re:rubbing salt in the wound (1)

wvmarle (1070040) | about 6 years ago | (#22904332)

This interest has caused the website's servers to be unable to meet the enormous demand of over 164 gigabytes of download traffic within twenty-four hours, leading the site to be temporarily inaccessible."
And so you post the story to slashdot with a link to the site in the summary. Why don't you give 'em papercut and pour lemon juice in, too?
I was thinking EXACTLY the same. But the site is still up so it seems they have done something about it.
OTOH, it seems it was because they put the video Fitna on their site and that draw all the traffic. The /. summary links to a text only page so byte traffic should be relatively light.

No matter what, good for them, more publicity for their cause.

Re:rubbing salt in the wound (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#22904632)

Wikinews is not Wikileaks... This article links to Wikinews article about Wikileaks incident. There is no link to Wikileaks.

Makes one sad ... (1)

MoonlightSeraphim (1253752) | about 6 years ago | (#22904158)

Yea -_- I haven't RTFA yet but from summary I get the impression that Botnets started to cooperate with Baer or whatever else organization got pissed off.

Must be the thethans... (4, Funny)

Pig Hogger (10379) | about 6 years ago | (#22904166)

It must be the operating thethans(TM) of the church of $cientology® who DDOSed it following the "leak" of their "holy" (as in "full of holes") "scriptures"...

non-bs inf. difficult to find in mainstream media (-1, Offtopic)

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Re:non-bs inf. difficult to find in mainstream med (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#22904558)

Let me guess- let mY conscience be mY guide?

fUCK OFf.

/.ing it... (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#22904212)

brilliant, /.ing is sure to help with their bandwidth problems

Yes, and being on the front page of Slashdot... (0, Redundant)

sdo1 (213835) | about 6 years ago | (#22904216)

Yes, and being on the front page of Slashdot is a very effective way to remedy the situation.

Wrong setup (1)

debrain (29228) | about 6 years ago | (#22904224)

A server over http appears the wrong tool for this job. It's subject to a variety of forms of denial of service. Freenet, or another distributed database, that shares the load and precludes a single point of failure, would be a better option.

Re:Wrong setup (3, Interesting)

FudRucker (866063) | about 6 years ago | (#22904316)

a daily text file (wikileaks-29-march-2008.txt) that is easily read on every platform/OS sent out as a bittorrent? like an electronic newspaper where everybody is the paperboy...

The cause of the interest (1)

sleeping123 (1109587) | about 6 years ago | (#22904226)

One has to wonder, how popular would Wikileaks be if they had never been censored by an overzealous judge! In the immortal words of Killer Instinct: "C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!"

Re:The cause of the interest (1)

Tom90deg (1190691) | about 6 years ago | (#22904242)

Umm...say...what WAS the cause of the flood of traffic? Did they get some particularly juicy bit of a leak? Why the huge spike now?

Re:The cause of the interest (1)

leuk_he (194174) | about 6 years ago | (#22904308)

The cause is LIKE THE FINE ARTICLE SAID, the mirroring of the movie "fitna" a movie made by a anti-moslim politicus.

To make matters worse slashdot points to the site. :X Talking about irresponsible editors.... who fail to take any responsibilty for the slashdot effect.

Re:The cause of the interest (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#22904526)

It was pretty uninformative to just put a traffic report on Slashdot without mentioning the cause of the congestion.

Server move (5, Informative)

cyxs (242710) | about 6 years ago | (#22904228)

wikileak.org [wikileak.org] says that its being moved not offline due to demand.

WikiLeakS.org seems to be down for maintenance and upgrades at the PRQ Internet hosting facility in Stockholm, Sweden

How ironic... (2, Insightful)

A beautiful mind (821714) | about 6 years ago | (#22904236)

I guess the gist of the current Fitna debacle is that "Islam is a religion of peace and we'll kill everyone who doesn't think so". You know what is the worst possible reaction to this? Tolerance. You cannot be tolerant if someone threatens you with violence if you don't comform to his point of view. Taking the video down from a lot of sites in order to avoid violence is understandable if done due to fear, but collectively we, as society cannot be afraid from some archaic religious madmen.

So, if you're afraid, but only slightly, please rehost the video. Anyone got a link to it so that I can mirror it on my own site?

Re:How ironic... (2, Interesting)

xtracto (837672) | about 6 years ago | (#22904506)

I just saw the video (downloaded from Wikileaks), and I can tell you that from what I saw there, and from what I have read, it seems to me that Islam is a really fucked up religion. And this time I mean the religion, not the church. The religion is what? 300 hundred years old? still thinking in stoning women for prostitution or whatnot?

As you said, you just can not "solve" the differences between Islam believers and the western society. Because for them, solving means that all of us convert to Islam. Some people (in Europe mainly) believe that the solution is to "integrate" Islamist better in the society, but shit, then you have the killer of Theo van Gogh, who was Islamist and comnplete Netherlands citizen (and it seems he was very succesful).

I say we take all the Scientologists, put them in their ship and take them to a trip through West Asia so they can confront to the equally crazy Islamist haha.

Re:How ironic... (1)

argiedot (1035754) | about 6 years ago | (#22904564)

Full Disclosure: My mother is a Muslim.

300 years?! A cursory glance at history would seem that that's very young for a religion. Nevertheless, stoning women and all that bullshit is because some people are incapable of thinking for themselves and taking only the best parts of their religious book.

Re:How ironic... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#22904888)

Nevertheless, stoning women and all that bullshit is because some people are incapable of thinking for themselves and taking only the best parts of their religious book.
The central tenet of Islam is that the Quran, in Arabic, is word-for-word the literal text given by God to Muhammed (via an angel). People who really believe this cannot just throw out the bad parts of the book, because they believe that every word came directly from God.

Re:How ironic... (4, Insightful)

Alain Williams (2972) | about 6 years ago | (#22904654)

The religion is what? 300 hundred years old?
More like 1500 years. But that is not the point.

Whereas I do not doubt that everything shown in the film has happened, I do think that it is highly selective; someone trying to stir up trouble against Muslims.

There are people on both sides of this who are stirring the pot. I do not think that most muslims are seeking Jihad, however some are. I don't know enough about it. It is an error to put all muslims into one group, there are many different sects with different views, some benign, some not so.

Whatever you do: don't take everything at face value.

Re:How ironic... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#22904776)

How about this? I have a degree in religion with my main focus on Islam. I think my view that the majority of Islam isn't violent is a bit more legitimate than you seeing one video and making a conclusion. I have decades of research on my side. At what institution did you do your research?

Re:How ironic... (1)

mightyQuin (1021045) | about 6 years ago | (#22905162)

How about this? All religions are for weak minded people. People who feel the need to be part of a group, a group that tells them how to behave and explains the rewards for their behaviour. All religions are laughable.

Re:How ironic... (1)

chrb (1083577) | about 6 years ago | (#22905452)

I just saw the video (downloaded from Wikileaks), and I can tell you that from what I saw there, and from what I have read, it seems to me that Islam is a really fucked up religion. And this time I mean the religion, not the church.

People like you said the same thing about Judaism 70 years ago, and look how that turned out...

Re:How ironic... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#22904980)

The film is very underwhelming for all this publicity it is getting. It merely shows several verses from the koran interspersed with images from various muslim protests. I saw it when it was still on liveleak but I checked and you can find a torrent if you want to see it on the pirate bay. Nothing too inflamitory or inciteful is shown and the images all seem to be from other sources and can be seen elsewhere.

Re:How ironic... (1)

Idaho (12907) | about 6 years ago | (#22905126)

So, if you're afraid, but only slightly, please rehost the video. Anyone got a link to it so that I can mirror it on my own site?


Try thepiratebay.org and search for 'fitna', you'll find plenty of mirrors - and a lot of people are seeding it, too.

It's also still available on google video [google.com] , but you'd have to rip the stream if you want to rehost it I guess.

Re:How ironic... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#22905446)

BitTorrent is the way to go. There are already lots of good torrents out there giving you access to both the Dutch and English versions of the videos in no time.

For example, this torrent works for me and I even have spare capacity for seeding:
http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/38267309/fitna?tab=summary [isohunt.com]
(or directly here: http://www.smaragdtorrent.to/get/251153/Fitna%20the%20Movie%20Dutch%20and%20English%20XviD%20%5Bsmaragdtorrent.to%5D.torrent [smaragdtorrent.to] )

This is largely due to Fitna (4, Informative)

Sara Chan (138144) | about 6 years ago | (#22904248)

The increase in interest on Wikileaks is largely due to hosting the anti-Islam film Fitna [wikipedia.org] . The film was moved to Google Video—
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=3369102968312745410 [google.com]

—after Islamists told Wikileaks that they would be killed for hosting the film.

Not offtopic (4, Insightful)

Cheesey (70139) | about 6 years ago | (#22904462)

This is exactly why Wikileaks was offline. The whole story is about Fitna. Basically, the Wikileaks admins got death threats and had to take the video offline, replacing it with an apology about having to put staff safety before freedom of speech. Later, the site might have been taken down by the increased traffic, but by that time Fitna was already on Google Video and Youtube, so it was way too late to stop people seeing it.

I think the Slashdot editors might have been looking for a story about Fitna that doesn't explicitly mention Fitna in the summary, since they no doubt wish to avoid getting some death threats of their own.

Re:Not offtopic (2, Informative)

Cheesey (70139) | about 6 years ago | (#22904874)

Looks like I have also been confused by the difference between Liveleak (originally hosted the video, removed it after death threats) and Wikileaks (which ran out of bandwidth). D'oh.

Re:This is largely due to Fitna (3, Informative)

dubz (1006283) | about 6 years ago | (#22904834)

--after Islamists told Wikileaks that they would be killed for hosting the film.
Most users of Slashdot are intelligent enough to know the difference between Muslim and Islamist/Islamic Activist. However, the distinction is not as well understood among the general populations of both the Western and non-Western worlds. That's the sad part of it all. The resulting misconceptions about and misinterpretations of Islam are the cause of most of the violent and non-violent extremism shown by both sides.

For those who care to know, the term Islamist, when used in such a context, is generally accepted to refer to religious activists. Most of these activists claim to be Muslims yet do not act according to the laws of Islam. Now you people out there could either help educate misguided Muslims and misinformed non-Muslims in this regard, or you could go on talking stuff about Islam that has nothing to do with the religion and cannot be found anywhere in its authenticated texts.

-Yousuf

Re:This is largely due to Fitna (1, Interesting)

mixmatch (957776) | about 6 years ago | (#22905262)

For those who care to know, the term Islamist, when used in such a context, is generally accepted to refer to religious activists. Most of these activists claim to be Muslims yet do not act according to the laws of Islam. Now you people out there could either help educate misguided Muslims and misinformed non-Muslims in this regard, or you could go on talking stuff about Islam that has nothing to do with the religion and cannot be found anywhere in its authenticated texts.

-Yousuf
I don't know what exactly you mean by the term "you people", but if you are referring to us non-Muslims, I'm quite confused. Are you saying we should be telling "misguided Muslims" about their own religion and what it does and does not teach? How is that even possible when I don't know Arabic and therefore am not worthy to even know what is in its "authenticated texts"? I'm not trying to inflame, but I would also genuinely like to know why such a peaceful and non-contentious religion, such as can be found in the laws of Islam of which you speak so highly, seems to breed the violence that can be found in nearly every country of the world where large groups of Muslims interact with Western culture? I'm not really interested in the words of a book, but rather in the actions of the people who claim to follow it. Maybe I'm horribly blind and misdirected, but every time I see a situation where a Muslim person/community could become offended, I see a violent reaction. What do you propose we do to redirect an entire culture? How are we supposed to "educate" them?

Re:This is largely due to Fitna (1)

jambarama (784670) | about 6 years ago | (#22904986)

As I understand it, the traffic was mostly for files hosted on the site, not general site traffic. Both the Fitna and Scientology OT leaks were in huge demand. However, why not just use bittorrent to host files like that? This is almost literally the situation bittorrent was designed for - wikileaks could set up their own tracker for their own files without too much trouble.

Re:This is largely due to Fitna (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#22905082)

the scilons would definitely hop on the swarm to sue each downloader, then after getting their docs murder them instead of sue them

Re:This is largely due to Fitna (1)

x1n933k (966581) | about 6 years ago | (#22905644)

--after Islamists told Wikileaks that they would be killed for hosting the film.


Where did you get that information, or is that just you being prejudice?

non-bs inf. difficult to find in mainstream media (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#22904256)

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080108/ts_alt_afp/ushealthfrancemortality;_ylt=A9G_RngbRIVHsYAAfCas0NUE [yahoo.com]
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/31/opinion/31mon1.html?em&ex=1199336400&en=c4b5414371631707&ei=5087%0A [nytimes.com]

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Bullshit story / press release (1)

snarfies (115214) | about 6 years ago | (#22904270)

wikileaks.org works for me as of 3/29/08, 9:30AM. So I looked at the story on wikinews. It lists NO DATES that wikileaks.org was allegedly offline. I call bullshit. I say it was never offline due to high traffic, it is merely wishful thinking on their part, an attempt to get everyone to look to see if it is, in fact, offline.

Huge Interest (2, Funny)

garett_spencley (193892) | about 6 years ago | (#22904320)

Those damned bankers will get you every time. You really have to go over your loan agreements and read all the fine print carefully.

R.I.P Wikileaks :(

May you pay off your debt and rise once again.

Hmmmm. (1)

BlackPignouf (1017012) | about 6 years ago | (#22904326)

Is "164 gigabytes of download traffic within twenty-four hours" so huge?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's only about 2MB/s on average, which shouldn't scare any decent web-server.
Sure enough, 2MB/s on average means bursts to some dozens of MB/s.... but what is the amount of data Slashdot has to deliver every day?

Re:Hmmmm. (1)

cecil_turtle (820519) | about 6 years ago | (#22904824)

You are correct, my math ended up at 16 megabits/sec which is the same as 2MB/s. You are also correct that it's not a "huge" amount of traffic; it's less than half of a DS-3. Depending on the content you might need a couple servers to serve it up with reasonable speed but it's really not that much for a decent website.

Re:Hmmmm. (1)

onepoint (301486) | about 6 years ago | (#22905156)

Your statement " You are also correct that it's not a "huge" amount of traffic; it's less than half of a DS-3." is correct the problem is not on the delivery to the exit port, it's the i/o road to the port, most problems that I have encountered were drive bottlenecks.

a good cache systems helps but you still need a lot of tuning to get it right, I am sure that this site is not a professional site but something that was put together without thinking of large, scalable deployment.

I know who it was... (4, Funny)

blake1 (1148613) | about 6 years ago | (#22904388)

Tom Cruise is so pissed right now.. sitting at home with 100 IE windows open hitting Refresh All Tabs.

Re:I know who it was... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#22904602)

I do that with SAS airlines :) Watch their prices rise and drop by as much as 300 USD for the SAME seat and SAME flight within microseconds of a web page refresh :)

Wrong choice of OS? (0, Flamebait)

wilbury (820764) | about 6 years ago | (#22904400)

If they are running Linux, they should, IMHO, move to operating system of a better quality, such as FreeBSD 7.0 or Solaris 10, because Linux is not able to catch up in heavy loaded internet servers :-(

Success of Service Attack ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#22904402)

Could this be a wave of a new breed; the Success Of Service Attack.

mod d6Own (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#22904438)

example, if you" rivalry. While

164 GB/day = "enormous demand" ? Oh please ... (1)

mxs (42717) | about 6 years ago | (#22904508)

That works out to an average of 14.8mbit/s. That's not enormous. That's not even huge, or a lot. Downstream you get that kind of bandwidth on customer-grade ADSL2 connections (though upstream would be more expensive at home -- but then again, you don't host servers at home usually).

Re:164 GB/day = "enormous demand" ? Oh please ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#22904720)

So you want to foot the bill? How nice of you!

Re:164 GB/day = "enormous demand" ? Oh please ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#22904910)

Your comment just shows that you've never worked with a larger website. Do you honestly think it's just about how fat your pipe is? It's not. Your server (as in the hardware) is also important; load, memory usage and the like are all significant factors, too.

Not to mention that with any site, whether a certain load constitutes "enormous demand" depends on what you expect, anyway. Why do you think there's a Slashdot effect, for example? Wikileaks did not plan for this (and it may well be that they couldn't have, either), and that's why there were outages.

But of course, hindsight is always perfect, and blaming someone else for not forseeing it when something happens to them is easy.

mirror, mirror on the net (1)

beegle (9689) | about 6 years ago | (#22904520)

Surely somebody has put this stuff on a p2p network somewhere. Does anyone have links to it?

Not a Lot of Bandwidth (1)

Doc Ruby (173196) | about 6 years ago | (#22904620)

164GB:day is only about 5TB:month. I pay $100 per month for up to 2TB. I could pay $400 for 5TB:mo on a single server, or $300 for 6TB on 3 servers, which would be cheaper and more redundantly reliable. $3-400 a month isn't very much for such a site, that also clearly has lots of expensive lawyers working to protect it. Even if they're not paying for the lawyers, those kinds of operations make a $400:mo expense look like chicken feed.

No, this outage is more likely the result of shortsighted planning. Either bad architecture in the network, HW or SW for handling spikes, or just renting the wrong hosting ISP. It's been a few weeks since the site started getting huge interest. The sysadmins/webmasters should have switched hosts a long time ago.

Moved more than that after a slashdotting (2, Informative)

DrHanser (845654) | about 6 years ago | (#22904626)

Got slashdotted a few years ago when I was hosting Beethoven's symphonies [slashdot.org] that the BBC had made available for download.

~167GB in 5 hours. More here [polyscience.org] . The MRTG graphs are fun:

The sheer volume of traffic in GB for wikileaks doesn't seem terribly surprising. Rather, I suspect it is the dynamic nature of the website that brought it down. Simple filehosting doesn't take much in terms of resources provided your pipe is fat enough. Dynamic content, OTOH, does. I suspect they'll need to tweak/implement a caching system to mitigate this problem going forward.

thats nothing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#22904666)

it equates to 479 people downloading XP SP3 (@350mb) or 240 people downloading Vista SP1 i would of thought MS would do this kind of bandwidth in 10 minutes

Damn it, that is misleading (1)

zappepcs (820751) | about 6 years ago | (#22904734)

A DDoS is a deliberately malicious attempt to harm a website. What happened to wikileaks is just that they RanOutofBandwidthDamnit, so can we start calling it ROBD from now on, huh?

Torrent (1)

sega01 (937364) | about 6 years ago | (#22904760)

I think torrenting the movie is the best solution for large files. Switching their servers to Lighttpd would be a huge help as well (if they are on Apache or another slower HTTP daemon), but that certainly would not affect a bandwidth issue.

Now... If only (1)

Colin Smith (2679) | about 6 years ago | (#22904942)

There was a protocol or system which could distribute news to millions of people without causing undue load on the originating servers.
 

headline (1)

BorgCopyeditor (590345) | about 6 years ago | (#22905098)

Huge Interest Brings Wikileaks Offline

How about "drives"?

Also, it's not the interest that drove them offline, but the traffic. So maybe, "Massive Traffic Drives Wikileaks Offline."

Wikileaks back up, "Fitna" sucked. (1)

Animats (122034) | about 6 years ago | (#22905138)

Wikileaks is back up. I've seen "Fitna"; it looks like a YouTube mashup, zooms over stills and all. There's little original footage.

A much better comment on militant Islamic types, The Burqa Project [google.com] , is down, though. That's a delightful little piece from 2005 showing three French models running around Paris in flowing, see-through burgas. Google still has thumbnails up, but the video site is now password protected.

As Heinlein liked to point out, religion needs a good belly-laugh once in a while.

Pfft, Wikileaks (4, Informative)

Hemogoblin (982564) | about 6 years ago | (#22905184)

I've completely lost confidence in Wikileak's ability to report anything accuractely, since they ran that terrible JP Morgan Chase Tax story. It was wrong on practically every important point, which was pointed out here on Slashdot by me and others [slashdot.org] . I figured, "Hey it's a wiki; I should fix the errors", [slashdot.org] but admin-abuse kept the original story locked. If they can be so horribly wrong on one topic, why should we trust them regarding anything else?

stupid video to upset stupid people (sheeple?) (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#22905246)

OK so we have to go kill all muslims now because they want to kill us. Sure. I could make a 15 minute video of new clippings showing how Christian assholes want to kill anyone who visits an abortion clinic. Including examples of all the murders committed by the Christians to that end. So maybe we should also destroy all Christianity. Was Marx right about religion? I think it has been determined that he was not.

Maybe they are right about Islam screwing up the Netherlands. They do want to ban pot all of a sudden. That is what all the religious nuts want. It seems to me that most of the Muslim immigrants are leaving their holy land because they really don't like the way the extremists are ruining things. They don't want to give up their faith, but they don't want to live in the violence either. Christians were called to go kill infidels more than once through history. Hopefully most know why that was a mistake. It would be helpful to everyone if stupidity could be cured, but so far no cure for that.

There is a Brittish documentary that touches on the source of religion pretty well. It is actually a biological study of humans. "The Human Animal" long story short, humans are pack animals. We must have a dominant alpha male, so to avoid the constant struggle for dominance we invented the alpha male. Allah, God, Jesus, Tom Cruise, Jehova. We give him the biggest "cave" or house to live in. Church buildings, Mosques, Temples are always the largest building.(except in the US where banks have the biggest sky scrapers, money is our alpha) But tell people that their god isn't the alpha, and they must fight with you to make sure you and your fake alpha are defeated. They want to make sure that their building is the biggest, so we see the constant quest to raise money to make the biggest church. Then all the follower sheeple think it is great. Baptists make a bigger building, then the Mormons have to out do them etc.

Humans have the ability to overcome the primitive animal behavior, but it will require education. I managed, so I know others can too. The idiots must be stopped somehow, but an idiot never loses an argument, so how can people be made more intelligent? I wish I could drop something in the water supply, but nothing yet exists that would do the trick. Given the chance to improve the intelligence of all humans even if it meant destroying their religious businesses, I would. I will not support the singling out of one stupid religion over another. They are all equally bad, unless they actually teach tolerance. No Christian or Islam branch does. Got to toss out the Bible, Koran first. Start over. And Tom's cult is no improvement despite their self improvement basis.

Lets not go start a stupid war over this video. Or go ahead, but please use large nukes so that none of you will remain when the smoke clears.

China and Tibet pics and vids (1)

scubamage (727538) | about 6 years ago | (#22905630)

Just got to the site, it appears they're hosting a bunch of pics from Tibet of people who've been killed by chinese forces. I'm thinking DDOS is becoming more and more of a liklihood.
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