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Hands-On With the Windows XP-Based Asus Eee PC

kdawson posted more than 6 years ago | from the not-bad-for-400-bucks dept.

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MojoKid writes "Though the Asus Eee PC Windows XP variant isn't due out until sometime in April, HotHardware was able to get their hands on a full retail bundle before they hit store shelves in the US. The standard assortment of accoutrements is included in the bundle, along with a couple of notable upgrades. Asus took the initiative to provide an additional 4GB SD card from Adata, a healthy storage expansion for the system. In addition, an Asus-branded optical mouse was thrown in for good measure. Microsoft's Windows Live messenger, photo gallery and email suite are pre-installed on the the machine for collaborative and social networking capability, in addition to Microsoft Works for word processing, spreadsheets, and calendar functionality."

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For those without adblock, patience... (5, Funny)

Naughty Bob (1004174) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916102)

Aaaand the good link [hothardware.com] .

I can't wait to get my hands on one of these, and put Linux on it.

Hands on ? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22916132)

You can also get your hands on a pile of dog shit if you walk down the street.

Re:Hands on ? (4, Insightful)

Naughty Bob (1004174) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916174)

I guess if you drag your knuckles....

Re:For those without adblock, patience... (5, Funny)

_merlin (160982) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916150)

I can't wait to get my hands on one of these, and put Linux on it.

You can't wait to pay for an XP license that you won't use, when you can buy an eeePC with Linux pre-installed? Talk about Microsoft lover!

Re:For those without adblock, patience... (5, Funny)

Naughty Bob (1004174) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916224)

Hey! Come back with my funny!

Re:For those without adblock, patience... (4, Funny)

Heembo (916647) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916424)

You *PAY* for XP licenses? Crikey!

Re:For those without adblock, patience... (2, Insightful)

CSMatt (1175471) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916686)

Xandros has patent agreements with Microsoft, so it's likely that you'll be paying Microsoft either way.

Microsoft Wonks (1)

reiisi (1211052) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916902)

Did anyone besides me see that "Microsoft Works" and read it "Microsoft Wonks"?

Scary thought.

Is the price of the mouse and the 4GB SD card worth the shame of buying a license for MSXP and MSWorks?

(Probably need the extra SD if you're going to run MS software, I'd guess.)

Re:For those without adblock, patience... (1)

darkpixel2k (623900) | more than 6 years ago | (#22917136)

You can't wait to pay for an XP license that you won't use, when you can buy an eeePC with Linux pre-installed? Talk about Microsoft lover!

Hey--wouldn't that cover all the so-called patent infringements that linux allegedly has? You already have an XP license sitting around that covers you. Hell--I must have 5 license stickers sitting around here somewhere...

Re:For those without adblock, patience... (5, Informative)

shellbeach (610559) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916398)

I can't wait to get my hands on one of these, and put Linux on it.
As I understand it, the next gen Eee (with larger screen and larger touchpad -- see, for example, this article [dailytech.com] ) will come in linux and Windows flavours, but the big difference is that the linux one comes with a larger flash drive (12Gb vs 8Gb) for the same price (since Asus doesn't need to pay Microsoft).

Microsoft is never going to win this one, and I think they know it ...

Re:For those without adblock, patience... (2, Interesting)

davmoo (63521) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916800)

Microsoft has already made a great stride in this market...they convinced Asus to release a Windows version in the first place. They may not win, but they're certainly in the game.

Re:For those without adblock, patience... (5, Informative)

eebra82 (907996) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916840)

As I understand it, the next gen Eee (with larger screen and larger touchpad -- see, for example, this article [dailytech.com]) will come in linux and Windows flavours, but the big difference is that the linux one comes with a larger flash drive (12Gb vs 8Gb) for the same price (since Asus doesn't need to pay Microsoft). Microsoft is never going to win this one, and I think they know it ..
And you say this because you are the average PC buyer? You know, Linux geek, Slashdot reader.. Sounds like just about anyone, right?

My friend runs an online store and 90% of his sales are laptops. It's not a small business since he's selling hundreds of lappies every month, so his facts are interesting. According to him, the Windows-equipped $499 laptops outsell the Linux-equipped $399 laptops 5 to 1.

I don't think the average Eee buyer is going to care much for specifications as much as they care for the whole concept, which is why I think you are wrong.

Re:For those without adblock, patience... (4, Interesting)

molarmass192 (608071) | more than 6 years ago | (#22917004)

According to him, the Windows-equipped $499 laptops outsell the Linux-equipped $399 laptops 5 to 1.
That's really amazing considering the XP equipped EEE doesn't go on sale until next month. Oh wait, that's right, you're off topic. Anyhow, I don't doubt you that the Win laptops outsell the Lin laptops. Fact is, most people have no idea what Lin is. On that note, if 20% of his sales are Lin, that's pretty amazing. Combine that with the fact that 20% of the laptop market are Macs, that means that the Win laptop market is in the 60-70% range. I've always said that I'd like to see a 3 way market, Win / Lin / Mac, with none having a share > 50%. The key to avoiding lock in is to have platform diversity. That way everybody wins, except MS that is.

Re:For those without adblock, patience... (5, Interesting)

Talkischeap (306364) | more than 6 years ago | (#22917286)

According to your friend, "the Windows-equipped $499 laptops outsell the Linux-equipped $399 laptops 5 to 1."

Your friend is coming from the Microsoft centric world, so of course he's going to say that.

But look at whats really happening here.

One out of five laptops that your friend sells now have LINUX on them instead of the Windows operating system.

So it looks to me that Windows is losing market share in this sub group of portable computing.

And for the life of me... I can not understand why anybody would need Windows on an Eee PC, it works just fine out of the box with LINUX.

Five folks that I know have purchased an Eee PC since seeing mine, and all of them were diehard windows users who have adapted quite easily to the Eee PC's "easy" LINUX operating system.

Of course... on mine I've already installed 2 gigs of ram, and enabled the advanced desktop, and BERYL.

Loads of fun, and no Windows involved.

Re:Linux on the Eee PC (1)

Arcane (2838) | more than 6 years ago | (#22917500)

I've been looking at these from one of my suppliers, it comes with Linux loaded and "supports XP". There is also a touchscreen adaptation listed by a number of vendors on eBay.

slashdot users (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22916144)

I would never socialize with a slashdot user. Sorry guys :/


You guys are just repulsive. So snotty, so self-righteous, but you guys are such nobodies. Why would I want to hear the opinions of some junior college loser who works at best buy?

Re:slashdot users (5, Funny)

calebt3 (1098475) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916400)

Why would I want to hear the opinions of some junior college loser who works at best buy?
We don't either. Go away.

Re:slashdot users (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22916516)

Wow, you sure told him!

Asus 8 GB Eee PC (5, Informative)

backpackcomputing (1249130) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916160)

I'm not sure I'd run out and get the XP version with only a 4 GB SSD just yet (albeit with an additional 4 GB card). The 8 GB is available now (see http://backpackcomputing.com/ [backpackcomputing.com] for the link). Also, a version with an 8.9 inch screen, but the same overall form factor should be out in a few months.

Re:Asus 8 GB Eee PC (-1, Troll)

nawcom (941663) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916220)

What the hell? /. has become free advertising when it is related to the article?

I'm not sure I'd run out and get some of nawcom's golden shit logs thats ONLY 4 inches just yet (albeit with an additional 4 inches to spare) The 8 inch log is available now (see shitforsale.com for the link). Also a version thats made out of stainless steel but the same overall form factor should be out in a few months.

Aww... come on, it's related to the article right?

Good, I hope they don't sell well. (1, Insightful)

gnutoo (1154137) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916640)

These devices work better with GNU/Linux, so I hope the Windows version flops. Asus is unable to supply the GNU/Linux version as it is, so they must have lost their minds to roll out the XP version on hardware that only works when you stuff up SD card with binary crap.

The full featured Xandros OS fits in about 200MB. It includes open office, flash, firefox, Google mail and chat links, Skype and other software that can use the webcam and a reasonable media player. This way, the 4GB model is a good convergence device providing movie playback, music, business software and a video phone. Movies? Yes, they play great off USB thumb drives and you might be able to stream them to yourself with kmplayer. In other words, it does everything the other thin laptops want to do and does it with 1/4 the hardware and power use. Sweet isn't it?

The upshot is that you can get the XP version and have a hard time keeping it working or the Linux version that works today, but the price will come down eventually. Right now Asus is having trouble delivering 1/3 of demand due to battery shortages. Other hardware makers are sure to rush into the gap and prices will fall. If you think Steve Ballmer is shitting bricks now, just imagine him when these devices hit the projected $200 mark. Xandros and Asus have handed him his ass.

Re:Good, I hope they don't sell well. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22916778)

I hope the Windows version flops
You would, Twitter.

Re:Good, I hope they don't sell well. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22917006)

This is quite a change of tone from insulting [slashdot.org] 11-year olds because they don't think the way you do.

Oh but wait, you're using [slashdot.org] one of your five sockpuppets [slashdot.org] (seriously, who links to twitter's journal other than his sockpuppets?). That's why people think you're actually worth spending mod points on. Never mind.

Re:Good, I hope they don't sell well. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22917254)

For those keeping track: Twitter = Erris = Mactrope = inTheLoo and apparently gnutoo.

All the same guy, always doing the same thing... using multiple accounts to manipulate threads.

Re:Good, I hope they don't sell well. (3, Interesting)

lars_boegild_thomsen (632303) | more than 6 years ago | (#22917268)

> The full featured Xandros OS fits in about 200MB. It includes open
> office, flash, firefox, Google mail and chat links,
> Skype and other software that can use the webcam and a reasonable
> media player.

I am not sure from where you got that figure. The standard Eee PC 4G Surf comes with the built-in 4G flash disk partitioned into two partitions (no there's four actually but only those two are part of the Linux installation) - one slightly above 2GB and one slightly below 2GB. The first is used entirely for Linux system and the other is layered on top of that using unionfs. ALL changes by user - EVEN system updates take place on the second partition. The original more than 2 GB partition is almost full - so I reckon the standard Xandros with all you mention is around 2G roughly.

Considering the amount of software - including LOTS is not directly available in simple mode (for example konqueror, kontact, kmail etc.) that is still very impressive.

Re:Good, I hope they don't sell well. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22917270)

Desktop linux machines have already hit the $200 mark.

Mirus [sears.com] ($189.99 after rebate)
Everex [newegg.com] ($199.99)
KPC [shuttle.com] ($229)
Limbo [zareason.com] ($249)

Re:Movies? (2, Informative)

Talkischeap (306364) | more than 6 years ago | (#22917408)

"Movies? Yes, they play great off USB thumb drives..."

Really?

Before I installed a 2 Gig chip, I watched Das Boot with subtitles, and my Eee PC displayed occasional frame drag, and the sound track was slightly off as well.

This off of a 4 Gig memory stick with decent transfer rates, and will play movies on my other PC's without these issues.

So admittedly, I'm skeptical about you're being able to watch movies without any problems with the "stock" 512 Megs of memory.

I do however, use my Eee PC to stream the music for both of my radio shows with the included media player, and it worked wonderfully with the "stock" 512 Megs of memory.!

Opps (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22917530)

Movies? Yes, they play great off USB thumb drives

I stopped reading at this point. You seem to be advocating these machines and "GNU/Linux" (personally I prefer just Linux, or the name of the distro), but you need to be realistic about it.

The Ballmer "joke" doesn't help you much, either.

Re:Asus 8 GB Eee PC (1)

donaldm (919619) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916760)

It is going to be interesting to see what the price difference between the Linux version and the MS XP version (with mouse and extra storage). Personally I don't think there will be any difference since Microsoft appears determined to kill off Linux on all fronts even if it means giving away MS XP (at least the cut down version) for fee. I wonder how much it cost to get this version of XP running on this PC, still Microsoft has deep pockets.

Actually from the article it appears that the XP Windows menus are in place and this is going to make navigating a pain on such a small screen (I think that is why the external mouse is needed). My son's girlfriend has one of these machines and for her it does everything she wants, in fact the average user probably would not know or care what the OS is except that it works. This could highlight the fact to the general populace that there is a viable alternative to the MS Windows monopoly.

On a lighter note, I thought Microsoft was pushing MS Vista now over XP, I guess that this will send a clear message to people that XP is great until we kill off Linux on the Eee PC when the deadline for the discontinuance of XP arrives in a few more months ;-)

Windows XP? (5, Interesting)

Dice Fivefold (640696) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916162)

I thought that Microsoft was withdrawing Windows XP from the market in a couple of months. Are they still going to offer it on these low-end machines?

Re:Windows XP? (5, Informative)

Nimey (114278) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916246)

OEMs won't sell it starting on 1 July; system builders can get it until the end of January, but they'll have to order XP copies in bundles of 50.

That's assuming Microsoft doesn't change its mind or give Asus a sweetheart deal for the Eee.

Re:Windows XP? (5, Insightful)

Dice Fivefold (640696) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916446)

Considering how popular these little machines seem to become, Microsoft surely has plans. I would think something like this:

*Freshen up XP a bit with some new theme and some gadgets.
*Give it a new flashy name.
*Then practically give it away to the manufacturers of these machines.

Rather that, then to let linux machines get a foothold in the consumer market.

Re:Windows XP? (1)

electrosoccertux (874415) | more than 6 years ago | (#22917590)

Considering how popular these little machines seem to become, Microsoft surely has plans. I would think something like this:

*Freshen up XP a bit with some new theme and some gadgets.
*Give it a new flashy name.
*Then practically give it away to the manufacturers of these machines.

Rather that, then to let linux machines get a foothold in the consumer market.
And the awesome thing is that 2008 really IS the year of Linux on the Desktop, and I have little reason to think that it's going to do anything but keep getting better.

As for why I mean by "it's finally the year of Linux on the Desktop" is that, prior to this point, all of my system builds with the cheapest components available inevitably had hardware issues, getting everything to work, drivers installed, video working, etc. Except, this last system I just built, a $60 IP35-E motherboard with $80 e2180 (and overclocked it) and $190 8800GT graphics card, worked right out of the box (well, I did have to move the harddrive from ports 1-4 on sata to 5-6 for IDE mode or something, but once I found that out, all was smooth sailing). I'm not worried about the minor problem I had because hardly anybody has it and it'll probably get fixed in software updates later.

So what's going to happen is this pressure on MS is only going to get greater and greater with a few more years and they're going to have to keep giving us the free crap or make something better than crap.

Re:Windows XP? (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916818)

Why not just put Vista on it?

Re:Windows XP? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22916858)

Why not just feed your fingers to a puffer fish, one by one?

Re:Windows XP? (4, Insightful)

webmaster404 (1148909) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916340)

Well, seeing how both Windows Mobile and CE aren't as well known and would put the EEE as more of an "internet tablet" then a real computer, and how there is no way to get Vista on those things to run well without increasing the price by 100% or more, I don't see any other choice of how MS can get Windows on those things and there is no way MS is going to want to let Linux trample all over the low-end market.

Re:Windows XP? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22916352)

I thought that Microsoft was withdrawing Windows XP from the market in a couple of months.

I suppose they could eliminate Vista and rename XP to Vista as a means of withdrawing it.

Re:Windows XP? (2, Interesting)

wasted (94866) | more than 6 years ago | (#22917478)

I suppose they could eliminate Vista and rename XP to Vista as a means of withdrawing it.


More like Vista Eee

Re:Windows XP? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22916606)

What Microsoft want is keeping common people (the target the EeePC is mainly marketed to) away from Linux as much as possible and XP is their only option to do that since trying to install Vista on an Eee, even one with 32 GB of flash, would result in the best advertising campaign towards the migration to Linux.
So, yes. XP is going to be retired from the market, but in the meantime it's Microsoft's only weapon to attempt to fight against Linux in the EeePC battle field.

Re:Windows XP? (4, Funny)

jmoriarty (179788) | more than 6 years ago | (#22917242)

I thought that Microsoft was withdrawing Windows XP from the market in a couple of months
I was debating whether or not to blow a few karma points just to make a joke about this OS being released as Windows XPeee, but fortunately I'm too mature for that sort of nonsense.

Nearly.

XP (5, Funny)

Slimee (1246598) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916164)

I love how XP computers are still making headlines in their releases...News like this has to be a real slap in the face to Microsoft with the tireless Vista promotion, when XP is still big news.

Re:XP (5, Insightful)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916234)

News like this has to be a real slap in the face to Microsoft with the tireless Vista promotion, when XP is still big news.

A slap in the face to the marketing and software development departments, perhaps ... but I guarantee you that Hell, Gates, Ballmer & Co. is still laughing all the way to the bank.

Re:XP (2, Insightful)

Whiney Mac Fanboy (963289) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916468)

I guarantee you that Hell, Gates, Ballmer & Co. is still laughing all the way to the bank.

Laughing? A market leader is (finally) offering consumers a choice between windows & linux & you think the leaderes of one of the most predatory & unethical businesses in the software word are laughing?

Sure, they're making money on these things - but for the first time since the early 90s, they're not in the drivers seat - Asus has managed to wrangle a XP deal with its use of linux.

OFFTOPIC: Your sig - please point us all to an example of someone with a +5 insightful for saying all Americans suck because of $reason. Personally, I think you're full of shit.

Huh? (1, Informative)

EraserMouseMan (847479) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916520)

Yea, It's a real slap in the face when older OS versions are capable and reliable enough to build new products around.

I've got a friend with an old iMac. It's got OS9 on it and works just fine. What a slap in the face for Apple.

disk space (2, Informative)

nawcom (941663) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916168)

Aren't people gonna want to install the office 07 suite on that thing? I mean, when i make vmware images for xp, the minimum is 8-10 gigs. isn't microsoft works... no... i'm gonna stay away from the microsoft bashing.. I just see people wanting more standard performance out of it than it can really do. We shall see who lasts the longest before their Eee complains about low disk space. I guess if they want to use it as a web browser and email reader, they would have to use a few gigs to get outlook on there. only communists use mozilla anything. nutscrape. yeah.

All resources (0, Flamebait)

EmbeddedJanitor (597831) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916654)

I had a look at an EEEPC a few days ago. This thing barely runs Linux. It will really suck trying to run XP. As for Office..... well maybe it is theoretically possible, but not something you'd really want to do.

Perhaps nothing will undermine Windows as much as EEE PC. The Linux version has been quite popular. The Windows version is more expensive and will suck. That must get people wondering....

Re:All resources (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22916830)

We have two at work. We kept one stock and installed XP on the other months ago (they've supported it since day 1, it comes with a driver disc and manual section on XP). They both run great. You fail, fanboy.

Re:All resources (3, Informative)

Kris_J (10111) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916928)

You're completely wrong. XP on an EeePC runs great, and that's on one that's been converted using a normal old XP disc and the included Asus CD. Presented some stuff with it using IE and Portable OpenOffice just last week.

Re:All resources (1)

Aetuneo (1130295) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916970)

I have an Eee, running eeeXubuntu (the default Xandros on it was ... well, I just prefer Xubuntu, okay? I didn't even use the default, except to make sure that it booted), and I runs very well.

Before that, I ran XP on a machine with lower specs than the Eee (as I recall, a 500Mhz Celeron, and 512MB RAM). It ran well. Not amazingly, but well.

The Eee routinely outperforms my desktop (3.33GHz Celeron, 2GB RAM), in speed of opening applications, speed of booting, speed of decoding videos (one video skipped quite a lot on my desktop, and played perfectly on my Eee), and pretty much everything up to running word processors. Of course, the one I was using also constantly froze on my desktop, so I suppose that it's more of a software issue.

Disclaimer: While I am aware that specs other than processor speed and amount of RAM matter, I don't feel like giving you all of the hardware specs, especially because I don't remember some of them.

Re:All resources (3, Informative)

kernowyon (1257174) | more than 6 years ago | (#22917188)

What planet do you live on? Both my wife and I have the EeePC 701 (the 4GB version with the webcam built in) and we love them. Hers is pretty much as sold, with a bit of tweaking to the menus, mine runs Kubuntu 7.10. These machines, despite their low spec on paper (900MHz processor throttled back to 602MHz, 512MB ram etc) run as well as any of my other laptops when using them for what they were designed for - e.g email, surfing the web, basic word processing etc. I even play some games on mine - Wesnoth, OpenArena etc. Plenty of folk have already installed Windows XP on theirs - usually cutting down the install with something like nLite to get it to fit sensibly on the 4GB drive. Not my thing - I don't run Windows at all, but they all seem happy enough with the performance. As a Linux user, I am a little disappointed that Asus have gone down the Windows road, but I can't really blame them - they want to make the EeePC as popular as possible. I will be sticking with my Linux install and, when the specs of the machines have been upped sufficiently, I will treat myself to another!

MS Office thing? (1)

gnutoo (1154137) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916668)

Why bother when you could just use Google Docs? Opps, I mean uhhh, you just can't do "serious office work" with an ultraportable unless you use Open Office. No! That sounds even worse, I'm sorry. Just use the Xandros version. Oh, I give up this comment is such a Microsoft bash. I'm a hater, sob, a biggot who wants the baby Balmer to cry.

Re:MS Office thing? (1)

CSMatt (1175471) | more than 6 years ago | (#22917002)

Office 2003 + Office 2007 converter.

There.

The 9" LCD version comes out this Summer (5, Informative)

SpudB0y (617458) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916196)

I'm going to wait for the bigger screen. http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/03/hands-on-with-the-9-inch-eee-pc/ [engadget.com]

Re:The 9" LCD version comes out this Summer (1)

xSauronx (608805) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916740)

i remember that article....wasnt there mention somewhere, though, of a US $499 price point and Intel's new Diamondville CPU being used? Id be very interested in it if such were the case. Id be willing to get rid of my T40 (which I use daily) and just get a 17" LCD or some such to go with it.

Whatever happened to ASUS? (1)

TimboJones (192691) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916228)

Marginally off-topic I suppose; not related to the Eee PC at all.

When I was in high school, I considered ASUS the market leader in PC components: excellent quality, good price point. I always bought an ASUS motherboard at upgrade time. But around the turn of the millennium, their products started getting worse and worse: poor stability and interoperability, barely competitive on price. Nowadays I stay away from them completely. Note that I'm speaking exclusively of motherboards; I don't believe I've ever used any of their other products.

I suppose the turning point coincides with an increased focus on non-motherboard components. Maybe that's the answer: their focus and business plan expanded, to the detriment of their flagship product line?

Nah. (1)

vinividivici (919782) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916230)

Why would anyone even get one of the 4G-X models? The new model with XP will have an 8gb ssd, a gig of RAM, and a touch screen. It'll be released sometime during April.

So, how much did MS pay Asus to do this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22916278)

:P

Hmm. (3, Interesting)

Dzimas (547818) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916310)

The price has crept up to within $100 of a "standard" basic notebook. The only thing this little machine has going for it is size - 800 x 480 is utterly useless because you spend too much time dealing with cartoonishly huge windows. I run into this kind of trouble every time I visit my parent's house and attempt to use their machine set to 800 x 600 - it's bloody unproductive. I'd gladly reconsider the eee when they release the upcoming version with a 1024 x not-quite-enough screen, but I fear the price will be at least $399 for a semi-usable configuration.

Re:Hmm. (4, Interesting)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916406)

I never quite understand the comments along the lines of "The only thing this little machine has going for it is size" - isn't that exactly what it needs to have going for it? I'm waiting for the 8.9 screen myself, but as long as the price is not too much more than $600 it's a fair deal in my opinion. The fact that the first iteration was unbelievably cheap (I seem to recall hearing that it was designed for kids, although I may be mistaken) might've done them a disservice; I'm just happy that there now exists an ultraportable that doesn't cost thousands - the fact that it has the small size and is the same price as other laptops (rather than floating around in the clouds with the Vaios and Lifebooks) is perfect for me. I'm glad that there is finally an option to trade off some speed and get an tiny, lightweight machine for "standard basic notebook" money.

Re:Hmm. (1)

Dzimas (547818) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916502)

It doesn't matter how small a PC is if it doesn't fit the needs of the users. It does indeed look like they were targeting this machine at kids, but that doesn't avoid the fact that this thing would be hard to use for them, too. Crank your monitor resolution down to 800x480 and try working for an hour and you'll get the idea. The general thinking about this machine seems to have been "OMG, it runs Linux and only costs $300 and its small and cute." But I would argue that 90% of the people who bought this machine would have been better served by buying a $399 Acer 14" notebook during a sale at Best Buy.

Re:Hmm. (1)

featurelesscube (1107925) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916860)

Crank your monitor resolution down to 800x480 and try working for an hour and you'll get the idea.
My terminal still looks great. What was the problem again?

Re:Hmm. (1)

CronoCloud (590650) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916986)

Crank your monitor resolution down to 800x480 and try working for an hour and you'll get the idea.


[CronoCloud@midgar CronoCloud]$ cat /etc/redhat-release
PS2 Linux release 1.0

[CronoCloud@midgar CronoCloud]$ xwininfo -root

xwininfo: Window id: 0x25 (the root window) (has no name)

    Absolute upper-left X: 0
    Absolute upper-left Y: 0
    Relative upper-left X: 0
    Relative upper-left Y: 0
    Width: 640
    Height: 448
    Depth: 24
    Visual Class: TrueColor
    Border width: 0
    Class: InputOutput
    Colormap: 0x21 (installed)
    Bit Gravity State: ForgetGravity
    Window Gravity State: NorthWestGravity
    Backing Store State: NotUseful
    Save Under State: no
    Map State: IsViewable
    Override Redirect State: no
    Corners: +0+0 -0+0 -0-0 +0-0
    -geometry 640x448+0+0

A lot of stuff works fine, you'll scroll more with a web browser of course, but most applications are usable What suffers at low-resolutions the most are toolbar and icon happy applications, say Abiword, or the GIMP's main toolbar.

Re:Hmm. (1)

wolf08 (1008623) | more than 6 years ago | (#22917190)

Well, if my school is anything to go by, this isn't the case at all. Everyone here (5 people) who has purchased their Eee also have (or had) another notebook that was more powerful. They did not buy it for their only machine. They bought it because of its size, its weight, its price, and its ability to still be a 'normal' computer. Interestingly, none of them were linux users before the Eee. And one of them has even branched out to put Kubuntu on his Eee.

Re:Hmm. (4, Insightful)

Talkischeap (306364) | more than 6 years ago | (#22917496)

"But I would argue that 90% of the people who bought this machine would have been better served by buying a $399 Acer 14" notebook during a sale at Best Buy.

Argue away, but everyone that I know with an Eee PC already had a laptop, and wanted a small computer instead of a 5 to 7 pound brick to haul around.

Everyone of us is over 50 and we have no problem with the so called "tiny" screen.

Many young people today seem to think that bigger is better, when it's clearly not.

Re:Hmm. (4, Insightful)

mobby_6kl (668092) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916556)

I think the main issue here is that Asus shifted its target market with the more expensive EEE. With the 7" low-end models, the EEE was the cheapest laptop, so if you had only $250 to spend, it was the only (new) option. The small size was just a bonus*. However, once the price approaches $500 or so, it has to compete with all the cheapo 14" laptops*. Whether one choses smaller size over performance and features depends, of course, on individual needs.

*- at least for some people who are looking for just a laptop, not specifically an ultraportable.

Re:Hmm. (1)

the brown guy (1235418) | more than 6 years ago | (#22917106)

Well, its $600 for the 12GB model. If there's a 4GB model, who's to say that it won't be significantly less?

Re:Hmm. (1)

Daniel Phillips (238627) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916592)

I never quite understand the comments along the lines of "The only thing this little machine has going for it is size" - isn't that exactly what it needs to have going for it?
That and flash disk.

It couldn't have been designed just for kids (2, Insightful)

fuzzypuppy (1190845) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916738)

The Eee couldn't have been designed just for kids:
One of their marketing photos has a blond woman with large breasts using it at the beach.

Re:It couldn't have been designed just for kids (5, Funny)

Provocateur (133110) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916914)

a blond woman with large breasts using it at the beach


Eeeaaasy there, tiger. You only think she's well endowed only because the EEE is really small, it makes everything big by comparison.

Re:Hmm. (2, Informative)

Famanoran (568910) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916960)

I just bought the Linux 4GB eeePC for my partner, for our anniversary - she loves it!

Primarily because it's small enough to fit in her purse, big enough to touch type on, and due to the SSD, can take the knocks that inevitably happen when the rest of creation is inside her purse with the laptop.

Even better, she likes that it doesn't run Windows!

I'm tired of hearing this (5, Interesting)

tknd (979052) | more than 6 years ago | (#22917626)

The price has crept up to within $100 of a "standard" basic notebook.

I'm tired of hearing this. The price is on target because it is not a basic notebook. It is an ultra portable device at an affordable price point compared to other ultra portable devices (read ultra portable does not necessarily mean laptop). People buying the eee don't care that the resolution is low, that the device can't play crysis, or that they can get a bigger brick at the same price. All they care about is: is it portable and does it allow me to do email, internet (yes people think browsing web pages == 'internet'), read documents, and run my little apps (IM, youtube, and mp3s).

Until the eee pc came out, every computer manufacturer failed at getting the requirements right for a laptop. It just so happened that asus got it right and that the tech needed (SSDs, CPU speed increases, ram capacity increases) was cheap enough.

However, I still give the OLPC/XO most of the credit for helping to create the market. If all of the news and media coverage of the OLPC never came to be, Asus and others may never have attempted such a device.

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Re:moron rendering cute little toys infactdead (1)

aiwarrior (1030802) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916680)

You need help

holy smokes (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22916402)

omg burningturd

I wonder... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22916422)

I wonder if it can run Linux.

$399? ya.. ok.. (4, Informative)

deathguppie (768263) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916466)

I just bought one of the linux base ones from newegg, and I looked around a bit. The midrange 4 gig model sells for about $350, and the 4 gig model with the webcam and a better battery goes for $399, with linux.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Description=eee+pc&x=0&y=0 [newegg.com]

Now they are trying to say that they are going to sell a windows based version bundled with a bunch of other stuff for only $399?

The only way I see that happening is if Microsoft pays them to do it. If they are selling a smaller bundle with a free operating system for the same price. I call shenanigans.

Re:$399? ya.. ok.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22916950)

$350 for linux version. $399 for Win XP w/ 4 GB SD flash (~$20), a cheap mouse (~$10). Sounds like a price of ~$20 for XP. Maybe Microsoft is already being competitive with their pricing of Windows in certain places. That, or there is still some price discrimination.

Re:$399? ya.. ok.. (2, Informative)

Kenja (541830) | more than 6 years ago | (#22917100)

I know its not a popular subject around here, but putting Linux on a notebook costs money as well. There has to be someone to call when it doesn't work.

Re:$399? ya.. ok.. (2, Interesting)

weffey (702758) | more than 6 years ago | (#22917224)

I'm also curious about the price.

I just bought a 4G (with free carrying case!) this past Thursday from a local small computer store (that I have been a regular at for over 10 years). I asked the owner what the mark up is on the system and he told me that ASUS sells them to him at 379$ and if he wants to sell them at a price other than 399$, he needs to get written permission from them 14 days in advance. He can't even have a sale for them at 389$ without telling them and getting permission 14 days before the sale, in his words "it's not worth the effort just to cut my profit in half."

What he did mention is that ASUS gives him a quarterly kick back for ever 50 machines he sells, 5000$, and for every 20 2GB memory upgrades, 2000$. As an FYI, the 2GB memory upgrade cost me 50$ and they're not allowed to charge the customers labor in order for it to qualify. Same goes for the various accessories, but he didn't mention what he gets on those, I assume it's comparable. He figured they'd be doing the same with XP when it came available.

Regardless, I installed the Advanced Desktop via apt-get as soon as I got home Thursday night, and have not missed the EEE's default custom desktop one bit.

Note: all prices are in CAD

PowerPoint presentation machine? VGA port? (4, Interesting)

jschen (1249578) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916534)

At least according to the specs on newegg.com this thing has VGA out. If one can squeeze PowerPoint onto the thing, it would make the ultimate PowerPoint presentation machine. A mere two pounds, ultra-small, and more than capable of giving PowerPoint presentations that aren't overly loaded with multimedia.

Can anyone verify the presence of a VGA port? eeepc.asus.com doesn't specify, though it may be because every other page on its website is down at the moment.

Re:PowerPoint presentation machine? VGA port? (1)

jschen (1249578) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916576)

A few other reviews, such as the CNet review, note the presence of a VGA port. In my view, this makes a perfect e-mail and PowerPoint machine. I imagine many professors who give PowerPoint lectures would love to have one. Carry a very light package to the classroom or on a seminar tour, but still have everything needed to give the lecture.

Re:PowerPoint presentation machine? VGA port? (1)

calebt3 (1098475) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916716)

A classmate has one, and it does have VGA-out.

Re:PowerPoint presentation machine? VGA port? (2, Informative)

BlueCodeWarrior (638065) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916918)

I'm posting from my 2G Surf. It has a VGA out. I'm pretty sure all of them do.

Re:PowerPoint presentation machine? VGA port? (2, Informative)

Trelane (16124) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916922)

I am the owner of an EEE 4GB galaxy black (701) (I put Ubuntu on it). I can vouch for the presence of a VGA port, as I used it (with OpenOffice and evince) to give a presentation a few months back. It certainly turns some heads when you go up to plug it in for your talk. :) Also, you can fit a surprising amount of junk on a 4GB Linux main drive. I have, however, offloaded most of my documents and project source trees to the SD card.

Re:PowerPoint presentation machine? VGA port? (1)

Trelane (16124) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916966)

Weeks. Several weeks ago. Sheesh.

Re:PowerPoint presentation machine? VGA port? (2, Informative)

Talkischeap (306364) | more than 6 years ago | (#22917536)

"Can anyone verify the presence of a VGA port?"

Why yes, it does, and it drives my 19 inch wide screen LCD monitor at it's native resolution just fine.

Re:PowerPoint presentation machine? VGA port? (1)

couchslug (175151) | more than 6 years ago | (#22917588)

Powerpoint viewer is a small solution for someone just wanting display capability.

Let's talk about price (4, Interesting)

feranick (858651) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916610)

The WinXP version will retail for 399USD. This includes the SD card and an extra mouse. As far as I know the retail price for the 4G linux version is 399USD. So I am struggling to understand the economy here, provided that the Linux is (supposedly) free. Is actually MS paying to get XP in these things? Or is Xandros license actually more expensive than WinXP license? Please, help me to understand...

Re:Let's talk about price (1)

louarnkoz (805588) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916782)

Price does not just reflect the cost of the components. It also includes the expected cost of supporting the users and teh channel, e.g. answering support calls, writing manuals, or putting up better versions of various drivers. Linux may be free, but XP is not very expensive when companies like ASUS buy it in large volumes. If it cost ASUS less to support XP than to support Linux, then the XP laptop could end up retailing for less than te Linux version.

-- Louarnkoz

Re:Let's talk about price (4, Insightful)

feranick (858651) | more than 6 years ago | (#22917018)

The cost of supporting Xandros is zero. ASUS basically outsourced the support to community-based forums (such as http://www.eeeuser.com/ [eeeuser.com] ). How much cheaper can you go?

Re:Let's talk about price (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22917104)

Linux starts with L of Loser, and even your OLPC hope is falling down as even the non-expensive Laptops, such as Eee are coming with a MS Windows XP flavor now...
So, Linux won't survive for long, as only pathetic, spoiled, white Yankee kids, inhabitants of WoW, use it. Die Linux Die! Die American Linux Imperialism!!!

Works? (2, Insightful)

lunartik (94926) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916652)

Why not put Open Office on it? I work at a college, and papers submitted in MS Works are compatible with nothing, not even Word. You can get a translation file for Word, but it loses all the document formatting.

It's the "fine, have your Microsoft stuff" model (2, Insightful)

Phil Urich (841393) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916872)

Why not put Open Office on it? I work at a college, and papers submitted in MS Works are compatible with nothing, not even Word. You can get a translation file for Word, but it loses all the document formatting.
I think the whole thing with this one is to placate (1) Microsoft, and (2) people who get itchy using anything not corporate. Of course it'd be better off with OpenOffice, and you know IE should probably be disabled and replaced with Firefox, and you know MSN can only really talk with MSN so it'd be more useful to put Pidgin on there . . . and so on and so forth until you get to the point where you swap out XP for "version of Linux customized specifically for the eeePC". Honestly I find it strange that anyone in their right mind would choose the XP version over Linux, but if they are it won't generally be with concerns of "oh, but I'd rather be using OpenOffice you know..." In fact their target demographic is probably precisely the kinds of people that'd be more comfortable running MS Works than some crazy hippy nonsense.

ASUS doesn't need to make a smartly customized eeePC with a choice set of applications . . . that's called the eeePC. The XP version is for people who can't see past the lack of their comfort zone, or desperately require XP for some reason. Plus, for people who are in that interesting demographic that loves/needs XP but would prefer OpenOffice over works, well hey, it's "OpenOffice.org" for a reason :) So I think from a business and market-targeting perspective ASUS has entirely made the right call here, even if at first us geeks react with "whaaa? you have to use Works? Ick!"

Plus, have you gotten the impression (ie. do you remember the quotes) that ASUS was never too keen on XP in the first place? Hell, this Xandros-based distro on the eeePC is their baby, I'd suspect that at least some members of the company are sneering at running XP but realize there's a market for it, and their reaction to that reality amplifies the points I've made above.

XP you say? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22916692)

Hands on - Apply directly to my fist.

Norton (4, Funny)

flyingfsck (986395) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916814)

They should have added Norton security and then compared its speed against the Linux version...

Re:Norton (4, Funny)

amirulbahr (1216502) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916932)

They did. They're just waiting for that machine to finish booting before they benchmark.

Thanks! (2, Funny)

thatskinnyguy (1129515) | more than 6 years ago | (#22916862)

Microsoft's Windows Live messenger, photo gallery and email suite are pre-installed on the the machine
Thanks Slashdot! You just gave me a list of shit that needs uninstalled should I ever decide to get one of these machines!

Re:Thanks! (-1, Flamebait)

nyu2 (1263642) | more than 6 years ago | (#22917126)

'needs uninstalled'. ... Please, please repeat after me... 'to be'. 'needs to be uninstalled'. Has anyone else noticed this happening? It seems to jump out at me more and more all the time.

eee Microsoft enhanced with crudware (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 6 years ago | (#22917564)

I don't see how this makes the device more useful.

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