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5.1 Sound Card Delivers 3 Streams of iTunes

CmdrTaco posted more than 6 years ago | from the that's-a-whole-lotta-streams dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "How do you distribute simultaneous streams of DRM-protected iTunes from a single computer to multiple rooms of the house? Autonomic Controls demonstrated a unique solution at the recent Electronic House Expo (EHX). The company's Media Control Server EX software turns a PC with a 5.1 sound card into a three-zone music distribution server. (Add a second card for six outputs). At EHX, the solution was demonstrated with a multiroom audio system from NuVo, whose keypads could be used to browse and select songs, playlists, genres, artists, etc. The Autonomic software merges WMA and iTunes files into a single library for easy access." I have mixed feelings about this: on one hand, this is a really clever idea and a cool hack. On the other hand, the fact that DRM makes something like this necessary is truly infuriating.

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amazing! (0, Troll)

Adolf Hitroll (562418) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940592)

how people waste their time doing such idiotic things...
what about impeaching the a$$holes instead?

Re:amazing! (1)

atcsharp (1257538) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940844)

Indeed a waste of time. Who buys music anyway? Buying music is sooo 1990...its out of style

Time is on our side... yes it is. (4, Insightful)

imstanny (722685) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940598)

I have mixed feelings about this: on one hand, this is a really clever idea and a cool hack. On the other hand, the fact that DRM makes something like this necessary is truly infuriating.
DRM has never been a road block to innovation. At worst, it is a nuisance that will eventually be bypassed.

Re:Time is on our side... yes it is. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22940668)

I'd rather not listen to music than jump through that many hoops to be able to enjoy it. Screw that.

Re:Time is on our side... yes it is. (1, Insightful)

Entropius (188861) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940750)

I'd rather make my own music than jump through all those DRM hoops.

You can buy a decent used piano, or a nice guitar, for the price of all that stuff. Want music? Go play some.

Re:Time is on our side... yes it is. (4, Funny)

lisaparratt (752068) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940784)

But I want to listen to psytrance, not acid house! :(

Re:Time is on our side... yes it is. (1)

lorenzo.boccaccia (1263310) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940788)

you're thinking on some tunes?
expect a visit from the mafiaa cops, pretending royalties

Re:Time is on our side... yes it is. (5, Funny)

mollymoo (202721) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940816)

You can buy a decent used piano, or a nice guitar, for the price of all that stuff. Want music? Go play some.

I tried that, but once I managed to get the piano set up I had difficulty working out which pedals did what and I couldn't see through the windscreen very well. Frankly, I thought it was a little dangerous. Now I only drive while playing the oboe.

Re:Time is on our side... yes it is. (1, Funny)

Entropius (188861) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940976)

+1, Best Reply Evar

Re:Time is on our side... yes it is. (3, Funny)

ozmanjusri (601766) | more than 6 years ago | (#22941216)

Which airline do you work for?

Re:Time is on our side... yes it is. (1, Funny)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 6 years ago | (#22941280)

She dosen't drive for an airline because she dosen't drink. DUH.

Re:Time is on our side... yes it is. (1)

glavenoid (636808) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940802)

In this case, I think DRM is moot, since most (?) soundcards allow one to read directly from their buffer (like connecting line out to line in, only through software), thus bypassing the DRM entirely. Vista is probably different since they changed the sound driver to protect DRM streams "to the speakers", but like you mention it'll eventually be bypassed.

For those who want to try something similar (no DRM), you can easily use audacity to load multiple MP3's, FLAC, OGG or whatever and set each to play on a different channel. With a little scripting, you can have a neat multi-room, multi stream music server too!

Re:Time is on our side... yes it is. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22940908)

> How do you distribute simultaneous streams of DRM-protected iTunes from a single computer to multiple rooms of the house?

Strip the DRM altogether.

Mind you if you've got a working brain you wouldn't be buying crippled products in the first place.

Simple (4, Insightful)

jpmorgan (517966) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940610)

Whatever happened to the right tool for the right job? Screw iTunes and buy DRM-free music from Amazon.

Re:Simple (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22940646)

Or buy DRM-free music from ITMS.

Re:Simple (2, Informative)

mollymoo (202721) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940774)

iTunes DRM doesn't stop you playing your music on multiple devices. With DRM-ed iTunes tracks the devices would have to be computers or iPods; with DRM-free music (which plenty of people, including iTunes, sell) they'd have to be computers or any old MP3 player. You could burn a CD using either and use the CD player you already have. Not that I like DRM, I don't, but in this example iTunes reasonably permissive DRM doesn't present a very big hurdle.

Re:Simple (1)

kyofunikushimi (769712) | more than 6 years ago | (#22941112)

I was under the impression that iTunes' DRM not only restricted the number of devices you could play the track on (3), but even restricted the number of times you could burn a playlist containing that song to a CD (7, I believe). Am I wrong? Or just going by outdated information?

Re:Simple (2, Informative)

kyofunikushimi (769712) | more than 6 years ago | (#22941140)

Ah. Fairplay restrictions (quoted from Wikipedia):

FairPlay-encrypted audio tracks allow the following:

        * The track may be copied to any number of iPod portable music players.[1]
        * The track may be played on up to five (originally three) authorized computers simultaneously.[1]
        * A particular playlist within iTunes containing a FairPlay-encrypted track can be copied to a CD only up to seven times (originally ten times) before the playlist must be changed.[2]
        * The track may be copied to a standard Audio CD any number of times.[2]
                    o The resulting CD has no DRM and may be ripped, encoded and played back like any other CD. However, CDs created by users do not attain first sale rights and cannot be legally leased, lent, sold or distributed to others by the creator.
                    o The CD audio still bears the artifacts of compression, so converting it back into a lossy format such as MP3 may aggravate the sound artifacts of encoding (see transcoding). When re-ripping such a CD one could use a lossless audio codec such as AIFF, Apple Lossless, FLAC or WAV however such files take up significantly more space than the original .m4p files

At this time, it appears that the restrictions mentioned above are hard-coded into QuickTime and the iTunes application, and not configurable in the protected files themselves.

An artifact of Fairplay is that it prevents iTunes customers from using the purchased music directly on any portable digital music player other than the Apple iPod, Motorola ROKR E1, Motorola SLVR, Motorola RAZR V3i,or iPhone.

Re:Simple (3, Interesting)

mcpkaaos (449561) | more than 6 years ago | (#22941198)

iTunes DRM doesn't stop you playing your music on multiple devices.
iTunes DRM stops your from playing your music on more than five computers. Once you hit that limit, you better hope you have access to the other machines to de-authorize them, otherwise you are stuck with resetting your auth completely (which you can only do once per year, if I remember correctly). This has bitten me more than once.

You could burn a CD using either and use the CD player you already have.
I don't want to burn a CD every time I buy something from iTunes just so I can listen to it on the way to work. It's annoying, cumbersome, and incredibly wasteful. Besides, if I'm going to burn music to a CD, I'm going to burn the MP3 and fit 10x the music on there (there are plenty of modern CD players that can handle this).

iTunes reasonably permissive DRM doesn't present a very big hurdle
I suffered iTunes for quite a while, hoping to figure out an easy way to deal with their DRM (like monitoring the directory I download the songs to and have QTFU automatically strip the DRM for me in a script). It worked, but it was a pain in the ass to manage and really didn't scale all that well with a huge library. Then I thought, "Why the hell am I jumping through all these hoops just so I can listen to music that I already paid for?"

I am with the parent poster. Screw iTunes.

Re:Simple (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940786)

Well iTunes also has non-DRM Music too. But the issue is what happends when you are stuck with DRM. Amazon doesn't have all the titles that iTunes has. And buying a CD and ripping it is expensive compared to a $0.99 download. And sometimes people want to stay in bounds of the system, Except for Screwing the Man, Just leave the Man alone and he wont get after you.

DRM is not Evil, it is an Overreaction by the media companies. They have rights to protect their works from copyrite violation. But DRM is a Overreaction to the problem. Like saying Cars are bad for the envrioment and demand everyone to use hourses, while improving one part of the envrioment cause other problems which are far worse then Global Warming (Sanation issues, Logistics problems, Poverity...)

Re:Simple (1)

Moonpie Madness (764217) | more than 6 years ago | (#22941022)

I just wanted to note that you can "burn a cd" by making an .iso file that you then "rip" drm free .mp3 files from. It's a pain in the ass, but it's free as in beer.

It's your music. You probably own half of it on CD. Circumvent the DRM as an act of civil disobedience. I get my music from itunes and use an ipod. I don't bother with torrent for music, and the DRM doesn't directly impact my life much... in fact, I have to reinput all the id3 stuff by removing the DRM...

yet all 10,000 of my songs have no DRM on them. Not only as an insurance policy, but because DRM is wrong.

Re:Simple (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22941480)

Circumvent the DRM as an act of civil disobedience.

It's not civil disobedience, because it's not illegal. Selling circumvention devices (software counts as a device) is illegal. You should know what the DMCA says, before you protest it.

I should really start a Slashdot's myth page. Here's the facts: ISPs are not common carriers and the RIAA doesn't sue people for downloading music.

Wake up people!

Re:Simple (2, Informative)

op12 (830015) | more than 6 years ago | (#22941044)

Amazon doesn't have all the titles that iTunes has.

That's unlikely, they have way more titles [usatoday.com] :

Apple now has 2 million songs from EMI and independent labels available without DRM, out of its 6 million-song catalog. Amazon offers 4.5 million DRM-free songs.

Re:Simple (1)

cellocgw (617879) | more than 6 years ago | (#22941474)

Amazon doesn't have all the titles that iTunes has.

That's unlikely, they have way more titles:


Not relevant. Having *more* titles is not a guarantee that Amazon's library is a superset of iTunes. Simple example: iTunes has the song "FU" by the group "BAR" while Amazon does not have that particular song.

Re:Simple (1)

SCHecklerX (229973) | more than 6 years ago | (#22941214)

Actually, in any scenario where I would have the ability to implement something like this, I am usually listening to a shoutcast stream, and not my own collection anyway.

But even so, I don't own any DRM'd music anyway.

Tech just isn't here yet... (5, Interesting)

FredFredrickson (1177871) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940628)

I'm still waiting for a good solution to provide audio throughout my house.

I've always loved the fact that through Yahoo Music (or Rhapsody) you can access any music you'd like via subscription. Greatest Party Toy ever!

I've purchased many toys to try to accomplish bringing this to my livingroom, and my results have been varied. I purchased the D-Link DSM320 Media Lounge. This wireless player hooked up to a UPNP server on my computer and played music (and video) in my livingroom, with TV-Remote browsing. The problem: It only integrated with my personal library. No full 2-million track searching. This of course was a problem, because at parties, I want people to take full advantage of the 2 million tracks available (and I don't want to add justin timberlake to my personal library, just because people at a party want to hear him).

I've tried a sansa connect (mp3 player). This was the best solution yet, although it was a small mp3 player, it connects via wireless network and allows the full catalog search. Yahoo Music has just announced they're closing and the Sansa Connect no longer will offer this functionality.

I've tried Napster's Media Center Plugin [fredrickville.com] - but it crashes regularly.

I know that Tivo now offers functionality with Rhapsody- but I don't have cable, and I don't want to pay Tivo's subscription (not to mention high price for hardware I won't use).

And of course there's Sonos- which has EXACTLY what I want, for about 4 times a reasonable price.

I've chronicaled my adventures for anybody looking to learn from my mistakes: Digital Wireless Audio Age [fredrickville.com] , and my review of the DSM-320 and 520 [fredrickville.com] .

Re:Tech just isn't here yet... (2, Informative)

argent (18001) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940678)

What's wrong with a low end mini-itx box with passive cooling?

Re:Tech just isn't here yet... (2, Interesting)

FredFredrickson (1177871) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940700)

Well the other half of the battle is getting something that looks good on a TV screen. Media Center would be perfect -but I've already tried this. It will only stream my current library- not integrate with the subscription services. And even then- it's clunky for providing sound to multiple rooms

Re:Tech just isn't here yet... (4, Informative)

shark72 (702619) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940734)

I enjoy the heck out of my Squeezebox Duet [slimdevices.com] . A two-room system would be about $550, which is about half the Sonos price, so I guess it would be 2X a reasonable price for you. But it's still great.

Re:Tech just isn't here yet... (1)

FredFredrickson (1177871) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940864)

Holy cow! This is new and exciting! Thanks for the recommendation I'm going to check it out. By any chance do you know if it integrates with Rhapsody's catalog (different than just your library, the ability to search for new music..) ??

Re:Tech just isn't here yet... (1)

rfunk (765049) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940966)

Re:Tech just isn't here yet... (1)

FredFredrickson (1177871) | more than 6 years ago | (#22941422)

From the Link you just posted:

Note that you cannot browse the full Rhapsody music catalog from the SqueezeBox or web UI.

*Sigh* Maybe some day..

Re:Tech just isn't here yet... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22941276)

Yes; with the Duet, you can search and browse Rhapsody right from the remote. It's an amazing piece of equipment, easily the coolest gadget I've ever bought.

Re:Tech just isn't here yet... (2, Informative)

earnest murderer (888716) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940840)

What's wrong with a Airport Express? A hundred bucks per output. And a $25 more for a copy of Airfoil to patch your subscription service into that.

I've been doing it for 4 years now (give or take) and love it. Had it come out a year earlier I could have saved a lot of dough on a high end CD player.

Re:Tech just isn't here yet... (2, Interesting)

rfunk (765049) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940938)

I synch together a SlimDevices [slimdevices.com] Squeezebox v3 [slimdevices.com] , an old SLIMP3 [slimdevices.com] , and a couple machines running the SoftSqueeze [slimdevices.com] Java client, all clients to a server running the SlimServer [slimdevices.com] /SqueezeCenter [slimdevices.com] Perl server.

Re:Tech just isn't here yet... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22941174)

How about a cheap laptop? get one with TV out and wifi (even my cheapo acer has that covered), get a wireless keyboard and mouse and just leave it with the lid down on top of your hifi stack or whereever

Re:Tech just isn't here yet... (1)

radish (98371) | more than 6 years ago | (#22941224)

I'll also repeat the recommendations for any of the Squeezebox product line (from Slim Devices, now part of Logitech). Fantastic audio quality, amazing support and full of creamy open source goodness. Look me up on their forums if you need any help with anything.

Re:Tech just isn't here yet... (1)

SCHecklerX (229973) | more than 6 years ago | (#22941254)

Look into the Roku Soundbridge [rokulabs.com] . Great little device. And it has a fully documented network control protocol, so you can write your own utilities to control it (and even write to its display). It took me all of 5 minutes to have my existing callerid daemon write to it, for example.

Sounds great, has a nice interface, and takes literally minutes to set up (mine grabbed my neighbor's wifi before I even had a chance to configure it. DOH!).

Re:Tech just isn't here yet... (1)

MMC Monster (602931) | more than 6 years ago | (#22941314)

Have you tried a squeezebox ( http://www.slimdevices.com/pi_squeezebox.html [slimdevices.com] )? It's open source, has binaries for Windows, Mac OS X, and linux (including a repository for Debian/Ubuntu). I've had one for a couple years and it's a nice way to listen to my music in the living room without having an extra computer there or the TV on.

Re:Tech just isn't here yet... (1)

Machtyn (759119) | more than 6 years ago | (#22941418)

I've tried a sansa connect (mp3 player). This was the best solution yet, although it was a small mp3 player, it connects via wireless network and allows the full catalog search. Yahoo Music has just announced they're closing and the Sansa Connect no longer will offer this functionality.

Do you have a link for this? I'm not doubting, I just want to get a starting point on this. I got a Sansa Connect for Christmas (not for this feature, but it was some cool icing on the cake). Particularly, I'm wondering because they use Linux on the Sansa Connect with mono for .NET features. I was hoping to get a device that would allow me to play Ogg files (which it doesn't support and probably will not because they won't open the system to allow modders to give it that functionality.) I'm suspecting this is in part because of their agreement with Yahoo!. But if they discontinue that service, I wonder what becomes of Sansa Connect users.

Alsa (1)

AceJohnny (253840) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940636)

If I recall some old experimentations, this is quite feasible technically with my good old SBLive and ALSA [alsa-project.org] , by breaking out the outputs as different sound cards in your .asoundrc. Anybody got details?

And yes, I realize having something "techically feasible" is completely different from "work like a charm with the click of a button" :)

Re:Alsa (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22941238)

Yes, I use a .asoundrc file to enable two MythTV front-ends to run on the same computer and output two separate audio streams. One stream goes to front left/right and the other goes to rear left/right. It works great.

And on the third hand ... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22940644)

... er ... ... get a life, maybe?

Rear 5.1 outputs (3, Insightful)

dj245 (732906) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940650)

The sound chips for those rear 5.1 outputs are often lower quality than the front on many 5.1 sound cards. Something to think about.

Re:Rear 5.1 outputs (1)

Locutus (9039) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940826)

and to top if off, the recordings are already degraded by compression. Then again, how many are really going to hear the difference when the speakers are recessed into the ceiling and cabling is probably not of very good quality, nor installation, either.

It is a cool idea to split the 6 tracks and 6 outputs from a 5:1 system into 3 stereo streams. A palm hitting the forehead kind of moment for sure.

LoB

Re:Rear 5.1 outputs (1)

glavenoid (636808) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940952)

It is a cool idea to split the 6 tracks and 6 outputs from a 5:1 system into 3 stereo streams. A palm hitting the forehead kind of moment for sure.

Yea, it really is, however if you've ever used certain foreign language study tapes or the jazz "Play Along" or "Band minus One" tapes then the idea is a little less novel. The foreign language tapes usually have English on one channel and *whatever* on the other, and the play alongs have rhythm on one channel and melody on the other. Not to say it's anything like streaming multiple music tracks to different rooms in some organized fashion, but the general idea is the same.

I've used audacity to stream multiple tracks to different channels before, but that was more for mixing purposes rather than a home audio solution.

Now that this idea has hit /., I wouldn't be surprised if some on the open-source collaborators implement something similar (if they haven't already). Amarok?!

Re:Rear 5.1 outputs (1)

ari_j (90255) | more than 6 years ago | (#22941334)

Why not have 6 mono outputs? If this is for ambient music, that would work just fine and double the number of rooms per sound card.

Re:Rear 5.1 outputs (1)

Ant P. (974313) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940884)

I've had a bunch of sound cards with weird glitches like that. IIRC, there's an Ensoniq one where the front and back outputs had _different_ sample rates. Right now I'm using an Aureal card which refuses to output 4 channels at all.

Re:Rear 5.1 outputs (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22940970)

The sound chips for those rear 5.1 outputs are often lower quality than the front on many 5.1 sound cards. Something to think about.

Note to self: wire rear outputs to restroom, where my rear outputs are of low quality...

Duh! (2, Funny)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940656)

How do you distribute simultaneous streams of DRM-protected iTunes from a single computer to multiple rooms of the house?

Easy, download the MP3s from Kazaa or rip them from CD. The hard question is, why in Turing's name would anybody download something with DRM? That's just insane!

Re:Duh! (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940704)

Or download it from iTunes and rip to CD.
The question is, are you willing to pay for it? In most cases, I will.

Re:Duh! (1)

zehaeva (1136559) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940902)

why in Turing's name

I just had this crazy image with using Alan Turning's name in place of that of the usual god or christ (at least for us backward western countries)

"Oh Turning! Oh Turning! OHHHH TUURRRNNNINNNGGG!!!!" or maybe "For Turnings sake! would you put that down!" or "ahhh Turning Damn It!" and finally "AHH OOH YEAH OH Turning yeah keep touching it like that, yes thats right ahh Turning that feels good"

yeah i've lost it

Re:Duh! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22941434)

It's Turing, not Turning.

I am supprised. (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940666)

Form DRM Music no one has ever hacked a sound card Bypassing the Digial to Audio Conversion and redirect the Uncompressed Digital Signal to a storage medium.

Mix, Burn, Rip (1)

argent (18001) | more than 6 years ago | (#22941416)

You don't even need to do that. Just burn your tracks to CD-RW and rip them again. You even keep the ID3 tags.

I thought fairplay allowed you to register up to 5 (4, Interesting)

plasmacutter (901737) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940684)

As much as I hate DRM, it's presence in this case does not "necessitate" this application in any way.

Fairplay [wikipedia.org] allows up to 5 computers to share the same account key. As for larger households, well you asked for headaches anyway if you as parents have more than 4 kids who are the age most really get into music. I doubt you'll even notice one more.

So it's not about DRM created necessity, it's about enabling an alternative to duplicating a library up to 5 times and paying for up to 5 times the storage and 5 times the power to keep that storage active. I personally am happy this choice is open to consumers.

Airport Express Setup (1)

flangemanirl (1266354) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940736)

Oddly I had two Airport Express units in different parts of my flat at one stage when living with an ex. I was able to logon to my account on an Apple iBook stream to one of them. Then logon to a different account and then stram to a different airport express unit. No issues. I shared the same location on iTunes without any problems. Reckon you could do it with more and easily switch between users.

Re:I thought fairplay allowed you to register up t (1)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 6 years ago | (#22941398)

Fairplay allows up to 5 computers to share the same account key. As for larger households, well you asked for headaches anyway if you as parents have more than 4 kids who are the age most really get into music. I doubt you'll even notice one more.
Fair Use allows up to as many computers as I can cram into my household.

So it's not about DRM created necessity, it's about enabling an alternative to duplicating a library up to 5 times and paying for up to 5 times the storage and 5 times the power to keep that storage active. I personally am happy this choice is open to consumers.
I personally am disappointed Fair Use is not open to consumers.

The music industry said "we'll charge less, but you'll get less" and millions of people happily went along with it.

iPod, anyone? (1, Offtopic)

sunderland56 (621843) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940714)

So.... whatever happened to the iPod? You listened to music, and it worked in every room in your house!! Plus, if I walked into a room where someone else was - I could still listen to my music, while they listened to theirs. Plus - extra special bonus - it actually worked outside the house.

This sure looks like a solution in search of a problem to me.....

Re:iPod, anyone? (1)

Entropius (188861) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940804)

And, if you want your music to be audible to everyone in the room, you can plug your iPod into some speakers. Like, any speakers.

Re:iPod, anyone? (2, Funny)

Cutie Pi (588366) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940848)

Um, yeah. I guess since iPods came out that no one wants to listen to music on speakers anymore, or listen to the same stuff as other poeple any more. Speakers are obsolete! Of course it's kind of a pain, when my husband and I want turn on some dinner music, that we each need separate iPods. We really don't might eating with headphones on and having a hard time hearing each other. And I'm sure that headphones providing bass that I can feel are right around the corner.

Re:iPod, anyone? (1)

WeblionX (675030) | more than 6 years ago | (#22941262)

So I'm guessing you bought an iPod off of a friend, or you would have seen the dozen or so iPod docks that have speakers, right?

Boo fucking Hoo (0, Troll)

DaveV1.0 (203135) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940738)

On the other hand, the fact that DRM makes something like this necessary is truly infuriating.


Stop violating other people's rights and this won't be a problem.

Re:Boo fucking Hoo (1)

keytoe (91531) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940860)

Stop violating other people's rights and this won't be a problem.

My fancy new 42" 1080p television has an optical digitial out that will ONLY play downsampled 2 channel audio out of it because 'I might be a pirate'. Who's rights did I violate for that to happen again?

I've been trying to get a multi-computer shared library (all ripped from the CDs I store in the attic) like this working for about 10 years now, and even still nothing works right. Who's rights did I violate to cause every software developer to shelve those features because 'I might be a pirate'?

My car CD player can play a lot of different audio formats, but I can't seem to find the place where I can activate my (one remaining, mind you) FairPlay account. Instead, I'm required to go with a much lower song per disk ratio. Who's rights did I violate for that to happen?

I'm sick and fucking tired of being an accidental casualty of this idiotic war.

If all of your music is ripped from CD's you own.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22941080)

Why do you need to activate fairplay accounts?

How can you possibly be having problems playing MP3s on multiple computers?

Re:Boo fucking Hoo (2, Interesting)

DaveV1.0 (203135) | more than 6 years ago | (#22941228)

Stop bitching about it and put the blame where it belongs, on the people violating the rights of the copyright holders. (see, the word "right" is built into the name")

Everyone bitches about DRM and how much they hate it and how it violates their rights when most of those same people are violating the legally granted rights of the copyright holders. I am so fucking tired of hearing it.

Pay close attention people:
YOU DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO INDISCRIMINATELY MAKE AND DISTRIBUTE COPIES. THAT RIGHT IS RESERVED, BY LAW, TO THE COPYRIGHT HOLDERS. YOU HAVE A VERY LIMITED RIGHT TO MAKE COPIES OF COPYRIGHTED WORKS. IT IS ALL SPELLED OUT IN THE LAW. TRY READING IT SOMETIME.

Now, some dumbshit is going to say "It's not really a right." Well, it is just as much a right as is equal access laws for the disabled and the right to vote of black Americans and women. All of those are rights granted by law.

Re:Boo fucking Hoo (1)

smoker2 (750216) | more than 6 years ago | (#22941260)

I've been trying to get a multi-computer shared library (all ripped from the CDs I store in the attic) like this working for about 10 years now, and even still nothing works right. Who's rights did I violate to cause every software developer to shelve those features because 'I might be a pirate'?
Features like NFS and/or Samba seem to work fine for me.

Re:Boo fucking Hoo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22941410)



I've been trying to get a multi-computer shared library (all ripped from the CDs I store in the attic) like this working for about 10 years now, and even still nothing works right. Who's rights did I violate to cause every software developer to shelve those features because 'I might be a pirate'?



You're an idiot. Store it all on one computer and share it. That old server/client thing. This works just fine, even in iTunes.

My car CD player can play a lot of different audio formats, but I can't seem to find the place where I can activate my (one remaining, mind you) FairPlay account. Instead, I'm required to go with a much lower song per disk ratio. Who's rights did I violate for that to happen?



You're an idiot. You don't need FairPlay to play a CD. In fact, iTunes lets you burn your personal or DRMed songs to AIFF or MP3 format, and removes any DRM as a bonus.

I'm sick and fucking tired of being an accidental casualty of this idiotic war.

I don't think you have a choice.

Re:Boo fucking Hoo (1)

iminplaya (723125) | more than 6 years ago | (#22941288)

Stop violating other people's rights and this won't be a problem.

Really, man. That's what I've been telling the ??AA's. Gotta make 'em stop violating our rights in their attempt to protect and extend their privileges. It would better yet to revoke those privileges entirely.

Pfft.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22940766)

Just RTFA and I am pretty damn certain 3 modded xboxes on the same network as a PC downloading music through bittorrent could do the same thing for a lot less money. Why buy expensive equipment just to make something work with purchased DRM'd music?

This has nothing to do with DRM ... (4, Informative)

LaughingCoder (914424) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940800)

It's all about combining your various music file collections into one virtual collection. This device is cool because it can merge all your disparate collections into one big playlist, regardless of format (and regardless of whether some of the content is DRM'd).

BTW, it is *not* helpful to keep blaming DRM for everything and anything. It only dilutes the argument against DRM when your claims are false, giving ammunition to its defenders.

Just like Data! (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Monkey (795756) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940806)

Now I can be just like Lieutenant Commander Data and listen to six different classical compositions at once loud enough to rattle a star ships windows! Now I just need to make a pun about rattling a star ships windows while running Linux.

Something wrong here? (1)

SimonGhent (57578) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940824)

I though that 5.1 surround only had 5 channels (Front L & R + Rear L & R + centre), so how does this produce three stereo channels?

Re:Something wrong here? (2, Informative)

berashith (222128) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940886)

i think the .1 part is the subwoofer, but that is not required to only have the low tones. You can send a full spectrum through that line.

Re:Something wrong here? (1)

SimonGhent (57578) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940910)

Fair enough, that makes sense, didn't realise that there was a dedicated channel for that. I thought that it just took the "low part" of the front two channels.

Re:Something wrong here? (1)

Retardical_Sam (1002763) | more than 6 years ago | (#22941458)

I was under the impression it took the low parts of all channels. I think how this works though is that the sound card probably actually has six channels (from three stereo outputs), and for the center channel it just either combines them into a mono or deliberately outputs mono instead of the stereo that it's capable of. Keep in mind this is conjecture, not fact, and I'm liable to be wrong, just contributing to the discussion.

do I just not understand something here? (1)

smenor (905244) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940832)

On the other hand, the fact that DRM makes something like this necessary is truly infuriating

I was under the impression that iTunes allowed music sharing to other Macs and PCs with iTunes. Shouldn't you just be able to use that? and, if so, is the DRM really hurting that much?

Re:do I just not understand something here? (1)

lancejjj (924211) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940866)

I was under the impression that iTunes allowed music sharing to other Macs and PCs with iTunes. Shouldn't you just be able to use that?
Yeah, but then you wouldn't need a rack-mount server or a whole-house audio distribution system. And that ruins a lot of the fun.

Plus, if you wanted 20 digital streams running independently in your home, well, iTunes can't do that unless you have iPods as well - as iTunes is restricted to only 5 authorized computers at a time.

Re:do I just not understand something here? (1)

smenor (905244) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940916)

iTunes is restricted to only 5 authorized computers at a time
I don't think even that restriction holds for streaming shared music.

Re:do I just not understand something here? (1)

earnest murderer (888716) | more than 6 years ago | (#22941046)

On the other hand, the fact that DRM makes something like this necessary is truly infuriating

I was under the impression that iTunes allowed music sharing to other Macs and PCs with iTunes. Shouldn't you just be able to use that? and, if so, is the DRM really hurting that much?

In fact, with an Airport Express or Apple TV you don't even need another computer. Add a copy of Airfoil and you can even stream DRM material from other sources like Yahoo or Sirius.

If you go the Apple TV route you can even have independent streams to each unit without the aid of another PC. Airfoil streams get hairy and may even need an additional PC per room.

O'Rly ? (5, Funny)

The_Angry_Canadian (1156097) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940834)

Add a second card for six outputs
No wai !

Add a third card for nine outputs
Add a fourth card for twelve outputs !

... Add a beowulf cluster of cards and it'll summon Nathalie Portman to dance for you !

Doesn't everyone have a whole-house audio system? (3, Interesting)

lancejjj (924211) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940836)

How do you distribute simultaneous streams of DRM-protected iTunes from a single computer to multiple rooms of the house?
Would I really want three streams of centrally controlled audio from MY single 1U rack mount server with a single sound card coupled with a whole-house audio distribution system?

Installing the analog wiring in all my rooms would cost me thousands of dollars. This seems like a very expensive solution to a problem that doesn't impact most people. It might make sense if you run a museum or something, with independent audio pumped into each room - but that's it. And it seems quite fragile to run - too many parts.

Re:Doesn't everyone have a whole-house audio syste (1, Informative)

qoncept (599709) | more than 6 years ago | (#22941034)

[blockquote]Installing the analog wiring in all my rooms would cost me thousands of dollars.[/blockquote] These contractors you're hiring, they're getting paid by the hour, yeah?

What the hell are you talking about? I don't know where you shop, but last I checked you could get about 700,000 feet of suitable analog wiring (be it RCA, speaker wire or 3.5mm jacks) -- enough to wire my entire house, anyway -- for well under $100 at Walmart. And, you know, I'm talking wire of suitable quality as to not be any worse than the DSPs on this soundcard.

Got an attic? Basement?

Re:Doesn't everyone have a whole-house audio syste (1)

iminplaya (723125) | more than 6 years ago | (#22941370)

That's way too complicated. I just play the music really loud until the neighbors complain, then back it off a bit.

VideoLAN - VLC (1)

tmbailey123 (230145) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940842)

I have setup VLC to stream music to multiple computers in the house. It has been a while but I used the http transport method, however I believe they had multicast options too. I do remember it taking a little effort to put together a playlist. It was functional, but not user friendly.

Audio through the house (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22940872)

The best way I've found is to use a small FM exciter. The Ramsey FM25B works great!
http://www.ramseyelectronics.com/cgi-bin/commerce.exe?preadd=action&key=FM25B [ramseyelectronics.com]

You will have to assemble it yourself but if you've done any soldering it should only take 5-7 hours. Tune it to an open frequency,
set your output levels and listen on any FM receiver.

I wired it with an input selector to my pc and satellite receiver but you can also connect it directly to your portable mp3 player.
I typically use WinAmp to play from my library or something from ShoutCast.

If you live in a very congested area (apartments) you need to be careful to not step on any commercial broadcasters.

Well.. Try woot! (0, Offtopic)

Creepy Crawler (680178) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940906)

Today, after the woot-off, woot.com is offering a Razer Barracuda AC-1 Sound Card. As in NOT CREATIVE ;) 55$ for it's a good deal.

Click on the picture to see how they break out that massive weird looking port.

I dont work for them. I just go rabid over bags of crap.

Re:Well.. Try woot! (0, Offtopic)

Moridineas (213502) | more than 6 years ago | (#22941268)

Green for you!

Thanks for the headsup, I've been needing a new soundcard, and after reading about all the Creative stuff last night, not too inclined to buy an Xfi.

Re:Well.. Try woot! (1)

Creepy Crawler (680178) | more than 6 years ago | (#22941436)

I figured it was an ontopic discussion, even if it was sort of an ad.

Pretty much, we all think that this soundcard was chose to be todays woot! because of Slashdot and like dissing Creative for their horrendous treatment of a driver modder. Like I said, Id buy it but I'm not in need of a new soundcard.

Also, in the past, I was bitten by the Via-SBlive corruption. Wiped out the FAT on a 40GB hd. Lets just say that Creative isnt exactly a favorite company in my book.

Any free software for non DRM case? (1)

Brit_in_the_USA (936704) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940920)

I have a similar dilema for my home audio solution. I have a 5.1 PCI sound card (Realtek chip) and a 5.1 cinema amp. I would like to drive two different sets of speakers in different locations from my Windows XP server (I would prefer to stick with Media Player or Winamp). I want to be able to select in software which speaker sets are enabled and their relative volumes. At the moment I only have one set of speakers installed and use optical digital from the sound card ot the amp. I am prepared to use the analogue coenctions for ease.
Any suggestions for windows XP free software?

Put the shoe on the other foot. (1)

Technician (215283) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940984)

I have mixed feelings about this: on one hand, this is a really clever idea and a cool hack. On the other hand, the fact that DRM makes something like this necessary is truly infuriating.

I don't do DRM due to the incompatibility. It's up to the distributor to figure out how to provide a product the public will buy. DRM only works because enough people buy it. Otherwise DRM would be dead long ago.

Vote with your wallet. You vote counts. Quit voting against me. Down with DRM.

wtf (1)

ipooptoomuch (808091) | more than 6 years ago | (#22940994)

Why is all of this necessary. I just use a damn splitter.

Gigaport (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22941088)

Or, just buy a Gigaport AG. It's $100 and does 4 simultaneous stereo streams. You can use any audio playing program that has ASIO support, and any music format that it can understand.

It's called AirPort Express and AirTunes... (2, Interesting)

Byzandula (83077) | more than 6 years ago | (#22941152)

Not to let my inner fanboi take over, but I've been using multiple AirPort Express to do wireless whole-house audio for some time with great success. You don't even have to use iTunes to deliver the audio. I use Airfoil [rogueamoeba.com] from Rogue Amoeba software. It is an elegant solution and one that can be done at a reasonable cost.

You can also burn the DRM music to CD in iTunes and then rip it into any format you want. It's a pain, but well worth doing. Not that I condone such behavior...

5 Soundcards for 5 Rooms of 5.1 Each? (1)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 6 years ago | (#22941158)

What's the necessity of that (cool) hack? Why not just put 3 5.1 soundcards in a single machine, and pump their audio into 3 rooms, with 5.1 sound in each room? Why not put 5 5.1 soundcards, or more if the machine's got that many PCI and USB slots? Why not mix and match 5.1 and 7.1, cards?

Seems to me that while their hack is a superior hack, the superior sound quality and lower complexity hack is just using multiple soundcards in the "single" host that DRM forces one to use.

Of course, the idea that I bought some music that DRM prohibits me from playing in two rooms of my own apartment while I'm alone is a gross violation of my rights, merely to perpetuate the profit of the record company, without any defensible basis whatsoever. Since they've wiped out the boundary between actual rights and arbitrary privileges they grab, of course people will exploit any chance to push back at their flimsy artificial copyright "rights". They're going to lose this war of disrespect permanently, just as they've been losing every battle all along.

Single Sound Card Multizone? (4, Interesting)

Zackbass (457384) | more than 6 years ago | (#22941160)

I'm quite sure it isn't a novel idea but I haven't seen much info about it on the internets. A few of my friends and I got together last year to set up a similar system where we live. We use a plain old Soundblaster Live! Value card hooked up to four different zones (bathrooms). It's connected through a network drive to our music server and has a simple web interface to control the music in each zone. The web interface just controls four different instances of mplayer with the appropriate flags for rerouting the audio to the single channels. I'm sure the sound quality isn't great, but it's perfect if you like to air guitar with Dragonforce in the shower.

We'll probably write up a guide on how to do it if we ever get slightly less lazy. It's really simple if you don't get hung up by Linux's sound support. But yeah, lazy.

For a second I thought of BeOS (1)

HishamMuhammad (553916) | more than 6 years ago | (#22941222)

When I read the title, I thought "bah, computers have gone downhill if playing 3 streams simultaneously has become Slashdot-worthy. I could play 5 mp3 at the same time in BeOS back in a Pentium II 300"... And then I read the blurb and realized it was about DRM. Man, things have *really* gone downhill.

hmm car analogy (1)

rastoboy29 (807168) | more than 6 years ago | (#22941290)

Ok here goes:  It's like if you were to buy a car that only let's you drive on certain days of the week, to certain place, at certain times.  And somebody made a box that would let you know automatically when you have permission to use the car, and help you plan your route so that you can get where you want to go under those restrictions.

Which you have to admit would be very convenient if you lived in that asinine fucking world.

Airport Express? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22941302)

Why not throw a few Aiport Expresses about the place? You can play music through them simultaneously with iTunes for that multi-room audio experience.

Don't cross the streams (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 6 years ago | (#22941442)

That would be bad.

I for one, welcome our glitter spandex endowed overlords and brought a marshmallow stick with me just in case this DRM thing blows up in our faces.
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