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Microsoft Told to Pay Tax on License Fee

samzenpus posted more than 6 years ago | from the we-do-whatever-is-cheaper dept.

Microsoft 282

MissingRainbow writes "To avoid paying taxes in India, Microsoft wanted a court to believe that it is selling its product and that there are no royalty payments involved. Their own EULA worked against them in this particular case however as it states, "the product is licensed, not sold". The court ruled against them."

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pwndbyowneula tag. (5, Informative)

Whiney Mac Fanboy (963289) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948044)

I suggest two new tags - 'pwndbyowneula' or 'canthaveitbothways' (although the old faithful 'haha' adequately expresses the extent of my sympathy for MS).

Oh, and for those wondering, RS 700 crore == 175 Million USD. (a crore is 10 million).

Re:pwndbyowneula tag. (3, Funny)

capnkr (1153623) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948096)

...or maybe "openmouthinsertfoot". :)

Glad to see there is some justice still floating around out there...

Re:pwndbyowneula tag. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22948834)

I just knew that one day that stupid license would come back to bite them in the ass. Does any one have Bill Gates home phone number? I feel a "Ha Ha" coming on.

Re:pwndbyowneula tag. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22948166)

"RS 700 crore == 175 Million USD. (a crore is 10 million)."

Which, in the end, will only cost them 1 million in "donations" to win the higher court appeal.

Re:pwndbyowneula tag. (5, Funny)

russlar (1122455) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948170)

That's almost as good as Safari for Windows' EULA banning itself. eulaselfpwnage?

Re:pwndbyowneula tag. (1)

calebt3 (1098475) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948178)

It's not a ban. They just need to pay taxes on it now.

Re:pwndbyowneula tag. (5, Informative)

russlar (1122455) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948200)

The Safari for Windows EULA has language prohibiting Safari form being installed on anything but a mac. It was posted on slashdot a few days ago. that's the joke I was referencing.

Re:pwndbyowneula tag. (5, Funny)

Divebus (860563) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948402)

The Safari for Windows EULA has language prohibiting Safari form being installed on anything but a mac.
Actually, it must be installed on "Apple labeled hardware". That's what the stickers that came with your iPod are for.

Re:pwndbyowneula tag. (4, Insightful)

LaskoVortex (1153471) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948176)

passitontotheconsumer

Re:pwndbyowneula tag. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22948524)

of course they do, but only if you buy their shit

Re:pwndbyowneula tag. (1)

Foobar of Borg (690622) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948318)

How about 'bluegavelofdeath' ?

Re:pwndbyowneula tag. (0, Offtopic)

Mateito (746185) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948698)

> (a crore is 10 million).

"Not Crore! Crore!"

(Maybe that means nothing to anybody else....)

If only Washington State would tax Microsoft too (0, Offtopic)

newscloud (1037538) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948060)

Washington State Legislators (who are greatly funded by Microsoft employees and corporate donations) have refused to close this $528 billion tax loophole [newscloud.com] ... yes Billion!

Re:If only Washington State would tax Microsoft to (5, Funny)

Robert1 (513674) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948088)

You said billion twice for emphasis, even though it clearly says million even in the article's damn title.

Re:If only Washington State would tax Microsoft to (1)

newscloud (1037538) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948130)

Oooops - you are totally right! $528 million $528 million $528 million $528 million $528 million

Re:If only Washington State would tax Microsoft to (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22948368)

... yes Million!

Re:If only Washington State would tax Microsoft to (1)

Maxo-Texas (864189) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948592)

So they would owe over 3 billion dollars! Wow.

Re:If only Washington State would tax Microsoft to (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22948804)

So they would owe over 3 billion dollars!
Well, technically that would make $2.64 billion, but who's counting at this point.

Millions, billions. What is a "crore" (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22948436)

What's a crore? Are they paying in bananas?

Re:If only Washington State would tax Microsoft to (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22948624)

So you are not a believer of the prophesied 1000 year reign of the Microsoft? Those numbers do add up.

Re:If only Washington State would tax Microsoft to (0, Troll)

gandhi_2 (1108023) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948162)

Besides the fact its million...

There's a lot of professionally-unemployed meth addicts in the Puget Sound area who could REALLY use some more welfare!

How much longer will evil profit makers be able to keep money they make? Its a shame! Employing people at the expense of non-working people! For shame!

Re:If only Washington State would tax Microsoft to (1)

Washii (925112) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948432)

Would have been nice if they'd given a little leeway for those server-farms in WA State though.

I live but a mile or two from the datacenter being build by Sabey that T-Mobile wishes to relocate ALL their datacenter activities (for the USA) to.

So much for the Westside giving a damn about the Eastside of the State.

Re:If only Washington State would tax Microsoft to (1)

Washii (925112) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948450)

BTW, GP...That's $528 Million, that's MILLION, as stated by your own article.

That's estimated to have saved them half a billion over 11 years by that article's author. Still would have been nice to have for the Alaskan Way Viaduct, I suppose.

Got Karma? (5, Funny)

russlar (1122455) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948068)

How appropriate, that in India, the birthplace of Karma, Microsoft gets whacked with a hefty dose of it.

Re:Got Karma? (2, Interesting)

timeOday (582209) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948352)

Really? Is there any penalty here, or just back payments? If the latter, it's essentially just a failed gambit, no harm no foul.

Re:Got Karma? (1)

kwrxxx (1038350) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948510)

I'm glad to see Microsoft held accountable for once.

Obligatory (0, Troll)

NeoManyon (953080) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948076)

Let me be the third to say, "Ha ha."

This must mean that 2008 will be the year of Linux on the desktop!

Re:Obligatory (1)

calebt3 (1098475) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948108)

Whiney Mac Fanboibeat you to it. [slashdot.org]

Re:Obligatory (1)

calebt3 (1098475) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948120)

Oops. You said third, not first. Carry on.

Re:Obligatory (4, Informative)

Whiney Mac Fanboy (963289) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948146)

This must mean that 2008 will be the year of Linux on the desktop!

Totally offtopic, please mod me down, but 2008 is the year of Linux on the desktop already!

Asus can't make enough eeePCs to meet demand, other retailers are coming out with cheap linux desktop products, Linux is finally being offered as an alternative by system builders.

Re:Obligatory (1)

calebt3 (1098475) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948160)

Asus can't make enough eeePCs to meet demand, other retailers are coming out with cheap linux desktop products, Linux is finally being offered as an alternative by system builders
Who offers it besides Dell, some small OEMs (System76), and subnotebooks?

Re:Obligatory (2, Interesting)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948174)

HP is rolling out openSUSE on their computers I do believe. And WalMart has been selling Linux desktops.

WalMart is about as mainstream as you can get.

HP and WalMart (5, Insightful)

symbolset (646467) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948732)

Have both been selling machines with Linux for many years. HP offers Linux on, I believe, nearly every box they sell and drivers for nearly every printer.

Instead let's talk instead about the eee PC from ASUS, and the clones of it, and all those hot new cheap mini laptops and mobile internet devices based on Intel's Atom that won't run Vista.

Microsoft had better pay their taxes while they still can.

XP dies in June. Unless they extend it every last one of those boxes is going out the door with Intel's MobiLinux or a distro that supports that platform. Let's talk about BMW, where Linux comes standard with many models.

Forget Linux on the desktop. 2008 is the year of Linux in your pocket, in your dashboard, in your cable box, on your lap and bringing the third world online without contributing too much to global warming. Desktop? What do you need a desk for any more? Next year that question may read "What's a desk?"

Re:Obligatory (1)

wellingj (1030460) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948560)

Lenovo has some Suse Thinkpads [lenovo.com] .

He who lives .... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22948078)

He who lives by the EULA, dies by the EULA

Re:He who lives .... (5, Funny)

snl2587 (1177409) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948104)

Gives a new meaning to the term "end user"...

dear god! (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22948086)

leave the slashdot gui alone!

Re:dear god! (5, Insightful)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948094)

Yeah, I hear ya. WTF guys. I don't need a massive "Reply to This" button.

Re:dear god! (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22948128)

I think this is a vast improvement over past GUI on this site, at least since they started messing with it and got rid of viewing things by option at the top of discussions as nested/flat/threaded, etc. Go back to that or keep improving on this one. Its pretty good now.

Re:dear god! (1)

cp.tar (871488) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948484)

I like it as well.

The only thing I'd love to see is the left-hand side menu collapsed and floating, so that I don't have to scroll up when I need it.
I know that there was a Firefox extension that did that, but I can't remember which one it was. Or if it would still work.

The forced preview is also a thing many users had been asking for for ages.

Re:dear god! (2, Insightful)

argent (18001) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948150)

I think they need to roll back the whole frigging site about a year.

Re:dear god! (5, Funny)

cp.tar (871488) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948460)

I think they need to roll back the whole frigging site about a year.

To what? OMG PWNIEZ?

Re:dear god! (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948574)

I think they need to roll back the whole frigging site about a year.

To what? OMG PWNIEZ?



      Actually, that was TWO years ago. Time sure flies, doesn't it?

Re:dear god! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22948670)

Yes. At least the day before, or after.

Re:dear god! (1)

metalcup (897029) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948190)

yep,..damn page looks like barbie doll gave it a makeover..Bring back the old layout!!

Re:dear god! (4, Funny)

AJWM (19027) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948690)

It's worse that than. Those damn oval buttons keep giving me flashbacks of OpenLook.
Hey Slashdot, the 1980s called, they want their GUI back.

Re:dear god! (1)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948728)

It's worse that than. Those damn oval buttons keep giving me flashbacks of OpenLook.
Hey Slashdot, the 1980s called, they want their GUI back.
I agree in the button roundedness. Smaller buttons would be fine. But i definitely love actually having buttons and a text box for preview. Hey, look at this! Quote Parent! :D *clicks*

It quoted you above my post! yay! And in the preview there's a "Continue editing" button. I love this.

Re:dear god! (2, Informative)

Chabil Ha' (875116) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948198)

I like being able to reply to comments inline, but I browse the site with an iphone and the uberbig boxes don't make for a very great browsing experience.

Re:dear god! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22948608)

Slashdot viewing experience may vary for the trendy and pretentious.

Re:dear god! (4, Insightful)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948220)

/. can do whatever the hell they want to the look of their website.
Just gimme an option in my settings [slashdot.org] to change it back.
Please?

Font Size (1)

Rocketship Underpant (804162) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948564)

I just wish I could view Slashdot without having to turn up the font size every time. Just because I *can* read 9-pixel text doesn't mean I want to.

Re:dear god! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22948602)

What are the /. hierarchy thinking?

Chunky buttons we don't need (parent? like how hard is it to scroll up and click on the few occasions that might be useful) and whose focus rectangles don't sit straight.

Double line spacing between comments - lots of NOTHING - yeah, we all need that.

And bigger chunkier title bars, making less space for content.

Enormous horizontal and vertical indents, and just look at even this posting to see the excessive space between lines from a simple br tag.
Didn't we just yesterday have splash adverts as well?

Come on, man. We all had that involved process of redesigning the GUI, a competition that now seems to have been junked completely. Just put it back like it was.

Re:dear god! (1)

sumdumass (711423) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948780)

IT doesn't even display the same across browsers. Load it in IE6, your see what I mean. I swear, they need to stop letting retarded monkeys play with the slashcode.

They supposedly gave us an option to not use this crap in our preference settings. However, it doesn't seem to be working.

Re:dear god! (2, Funny)

edwardpickman (965122) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948242)

Yeah, I hear ya. WTF guys. I don't need a massive "Reply to This" button.

They're trying to appeal to an older half blind crowd. Just be thankful there isn't sound.

Re:dear god! (2, Insightful)

techno-vampire (666512) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948526)

I am part of that older, half-blind crowd you inconsiderate clod, and I hate the new layout! This isn't improving the appearance of Slashdot, it's changing it for the sake of changing it.

Re:dear god! (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22948256)

I think a good compromise would be to integrate the Reply to this/Parent links into the title/score bar, but align it to the right side. Oh, and for the love of god, don't make the buttons so huge that the bar gets bigger in height.

Re:dear god! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22948576)

bigger in height

Around here they call that idea "taller."

p.s. Sorry for the smallness in length of this post.

Re:dear god! (1)

Zymergy (803632) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948260)

For a minute there I thought it was part of the April 1st thing.... but nope, today is the 2nd!
And I keep thinking of several lines Lloyd Bridges (McCroskey) had in Airplane: "Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing Glue!" http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0006134/quotes [imdb.com]
-Nope, it's just the new /. layout!

Oh ya, Ontopic: Ha Ha Ha Microsoft. I can hear all their lawyers giving out a big ol' Homer Simpson DOH!

Re:dear god! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22948478)

i don't like the reply button...but i do appreciate how the threading is more pronounced. previously you could mistake a reply to belonging to a different parent comment

Re:dear god! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22948596)

I didn't even know you _COULD_ reply...

Re:dear god! (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948598)

Yeah, I hear ya. WTF guys. I don't need a massive "Reply to This" button.
I'd take it if it meant the negative mod button was made smaller.

Re:dear god! (1)

wellingj (1030460) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948600)

I like the new preview, but I'm with QuantumG here, This is taking up to much realestate on my old 1024x768 thinkpad. But I guess I can deal for the free news... for now...

Re:dear god! (1, Insightful)

calebt3 (1098475) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948138)

I concur. What were they thinking? This is almost as unusable as idle.slashdot.org

Re:dear god! (1)

jimmux (1096839) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948202)

You haven't seen the worst of it. Try adjusting your preferences (using Firefox, at least). I actually had to start up IE and revisit my slashdot preferences so I could adjust them properly and reliably.

Re:dear god! (1)

calebt3 (1098475) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948218)

Meh, Preferences have been like that for a while.

Re:dear god! (1)

Hal_Porter (817932) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948386)

Works fine in Opera. And by the way Ron Paul! Ron Paul!

Re:dear god! (5, Interesting)

calebt3 (1098475) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948210)

Ok, unusable is the wrong word. Ugly fits better. At least I can submit a post without opening a new tab now. And one is forced to preview the post.

Re:dear god! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22948632)

Um, try my account---I still have to use preview.

Re:dear god! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22948824)

No, unusable is exactly the right word.

The page SCROLLS SLOW because of a box that scrolls with the page.

What does that box do that's so important to come with you as you scroll down? The count of how many posts there are, and a login button.

Whoever came up with these useless and debilitating changes needs to be beaten.

post-preview edit: Dear god, now my preview shows up in a box inside of some white space inside of a larger box. Two beatings.

Re:dear god! (1, Redundant)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948192)

I really like the new gui.

Re:dear god! (5, Funny)

i_liek_turtles (1110703) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948212)

Personally, I blame Microsoft.

Re:dear god! (3, Funny)

EdIII (1114411) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948268)

Thank God you said something. I thought I was hallucinating.

Re:dear god! (5, Funny)

Hal_Porter (817932) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948376)

I think it would have been funnier if they introduced the new UI on April 1st and then said on April the 2nd that it wasn't in fact a joke.

Re:dear god! (1)

xstonedogx (814876) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948414)

Dear god, even the GUI has dupes!

(Check out the "Cancel Reply" and "Cancel" buttons with the same exact functionality.

Re:dear god! (2, Insightful)

wanderingknight (1103573) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948466)

Not only this is awful, the sheer amount of javascript they've added makes it practically unusable. I was relatively happy when Firefox 3.0 beta 4 processed the scripts a lot faster than 2.0, making browsing Slashdot comments less of a chore... and now they've brought this abomination to the site.

Re:dear god! (1, Offtopic)

Washii (925112) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948538)

I've got to say, I'm reading this in Fx3 beta 3 still and I've got no performance problems.

I can't imagine what my Fx2 install would do on this page, though.

Re:dear god! (0, Offtopic)

CrazyJim1 (809850) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948482)

Slashdot GUI was fine before. Now it is wierd, and takes more space.

Re:dear god! (1)

LunarCrisis (966179) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948494)

I thought it was pretty nice.

Of course, best of all would be an option for a dark theme. . .

Re:dear god! (1)

guamisc (1174125) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948570)

please get rid of these buttons

Re:dear god! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22948594)

leave the slashdot gui alone!
How soon will we see a YouTube video of a /.-er, who cries complete with dripping snot, telling people to leave the slashdot gui alone! Hasn't it suffer enough?

Re:dear god! (1, Offtopic)

erayd (1131355) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948724)

Gotta say I actually quite like the new version - not for the looks, but for the function. Being able to click parent and have it autoscroll, and then being able to easily find the post I diverted from is a big improvement on slowly scrolling up until I find the parent, and then using the browser's search function to find the post I was looking at previously.

Also loving the new inline comments ;-)

I do think the buttons are waaay too big now though. And the grey just looks wrong - /me thinks the buttons should all be /. green.

Re:dear god! (1)

sumdumass (711423) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948822)

What are you smoking? I have always had a parent link right beside the reply to this link. It has always worked in the same manner as you described. Of course, when I reply to something, it lists the parent post above my reply windows so I can quote directly from it. Or if I need to go further up, I just open the parent links in a new tab first.

This new look adds nothing that wasn't already here beside the god awful looks.

Re:dear god! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22948750)

leave the slashdot gui alone!
And Tron Guy. Leave Tron Guy alone!

Re:dear god! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22948792)

This is fucked.

Re:dear god! (0, Offtopic)

symbolset (646467) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948810)

Actually I was hoping they could make it blink. Every blog on the internet needs fifty huge blinking "Reply to this" buttons on every page, you know, so people can figure out which button to push to reply to my comments.

fyi 700 crore (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22948124)

is almost 145 million $

Re:fyi 700 crore (4, Insightful)

stox (131684) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948298)

So, in other words, less than Microsoft pays per year for power alone. I don't think this is going to make much of a dent in their budget.

A better icon (3, Insightful)

edwardpickman (965122) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948216)

Maybe instead a Borg Bill should be portrayed as Pinocchio.

After Dark (1, Funny)

suck_burners_rice (1258684) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948382)

Remember the old "After Dark" screensaver suite for Windows 3.1? The one with the infamous "Flying Toasters" screensaver?

What Vista needs is a "Flying Chairs" screensaver. Especially in light of the furniture that became airborne in Redmond at receipt of this news.

Re:After Dark (2, Interesting)

Paradise Pete (33184) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948650)

What Vista needs is a "Flying Chairs" screensaver. Especially in light of the furniture that became airborne in Redmond at receipt of this news.

The amount they have to pay works out to about 28 hours of revenue.

Re:After Dark (1)

daveb (4522) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948826)

ummmm wasn't that an APPLE screensaver badly ported to windows?

US $175 million = 110 million euros (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22948420)

700 crore INR in USD = 175 million U.S. dollars [google.com] = 111 million Euros [google.com]

1 Indian crore = 10 million [wikipedia.org]

Is this calculated in the TCO? (4, Funny)

erroneus (253617) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948462)

That would be the "Total Cost of Pwnership!"

Damnit! I have gone for YEARS without using the term or anything similar simply because I thought it was stupid. Now look who's doing it?

Reassuring (2, Funny)

RichPowers (998637) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948480)

That even MS employees don't read the EULA...

microsoft already has its army of lwyers ready (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22948542)

last seen on CNBC TV, India, the channel asked one of MS's lawyers, who said some ruling/ past precedent of a royalty payment case was in their favor, and that they have a strong case and are very very comfortable. also, microsoft seem to have multiple layers of companies in India to sell/ license mswindows and msoffice. that kind of insulates them and passes the buck to these subsidiary.

kinda sick to note that microsoft charges an arm and a leg for their software, but they evade taxes. (on a second note, India does have a double-taxation avoidance treaty with USA, so I'm not entirely sure if microsoft has paid its taxes in the USA for those sales in India. if they have paid it - its absolutely fine, else its mighty cheap of them)

Microsoft in the same boat as software "pirates" (5, Funny)

realkiwi (23584) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948562)

So do terrorist software pirates pay tax? Nope http://w3.bsa.org/thailand/press/newsreleases/IDC-Study.cfm [bsa.org]
Well look who is in the same boat...

Re:Microsoft in the same boat as software "pirates (1)

jt2377 (933506) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948590)

It's not the samething. Let's not get into the OSS vs Commerical software. Microsoft have proudcts and if they sold their proudcts then they should pay the tax. It's really shitty when Commerical software company try to avoid paying taxes and point the finger on those who do not pay for their proudcts.

Evidence for offense-based remedies... (2, Insightful)

sixtyeight (844265) | more than 6 years ago | (#22948664)

Great piece of evidence in any Microsoft-unfair-business-practices lawsuit, establishing their basis, motive, and degree of integrity.
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