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Why "Vista" Nick White Left Microsoft

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 6 years ago | from the spinning-the-spin-control dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Earlier this week Nick White, Product Manager for Windows Vista and blogger at WindowsVistaBlog, announced that he was leaving Microsoft. Geek.com previously interviewed Nick about what SP1 for Vista was all about, so they sat down with him yesterday to get the details behind his departure, his proudest moments at Microsoft, a few regrettable moments, and more."

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No, no (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22968250)

I will not RTFA. Because I just don't GAFF.

Proudest Moment: (3, Funny)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 6 years ago | (#22968484)

Vista wins the coveted "Glass Turd" award.

Most disappointing moment:
Vista wins the coveted "Glass Turd" award.

Windows 7? Going 2 for 2.

I'll give them another chance: (2, Interesting)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 6 years ago | (#22968858)

Despite my very unpleasant experience with Vista (before I went back to XP), I will still take a look at "Windows 7", and I'm sincerely hoping that Microsoft gets it right this time. Windows XP has been one of the more successful products I've used on a computer, and it's provided me with a platform for nearly a decade of productivity.

I think there's still a lot of life left in the concept of a Personal Computer Operating System. I use a PC to produce media, and that's not something I expect to be doing on a network appliance or cell phone any time soon. I'm going to be needing a standalone computer that runs my applications for a while still, and it would be great to have a few flexible and versatile professional, commercial operating systems to choose from, especially ones that will run the hardware of my choice and my favorite applications.

Corporations, even big ones (especially big ones) will have turnover at the top over time. This means they can change, for the better and for the worse. I've seen Apple go both ways in my adult life, for example, and I'm sure we all can point to corporations that have improved and those that have started sucking.

Vista was an unmitigated disaster for my productivity needs. XP is a great success, good enough that it has earned my trust enough to at least check out the next OS they put out.

It's very easy to hate Microsoft, but I can still hope they get it right next time.

Re:I'll give them another chance: (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22969240)

Despite my very unpleasant experience with Vista (before I went back to XP), I will still take a look at "Windows 7", and I'm sincerely hoping that Microsoft gets it right this time.


So do I. I'm also hoping this will be the year of linux and that Stallman will shave his beard.

Re:I'll give them another chance: (1)

funkboy (71672) | more than 6 years ago | (#22969648)

Windows XP has been one of the more successful products I've used on a computer, and it's provided me with a platform for nearly a decade of productivity.
How is 5 years "nearly a decade"?

Re:I'll give them another chance: (2, Informative)

Nullav (1053766) | more than 6 years ago | (#22969792)

2001 was seven years ago.

Re:I'll give them another chance: (4, Funny)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 6 years ago | (#22970314)

How is 5 years "nearly a decade"?
You caught me. I was trying to inflate the nearly 7 years I've been using Win XP into almost a decade in order to... well, I guess make it...look better... or something.

Did I mention that when I bought my first copy of XP, I had to run across the parking lot ducking sniper fire?

Re:I'll give them another chance: (1)

Skeetskeetskeet (906997) | more than 6 years ago | (#22971044)

I would have nailed you but my Penguin rifle jammed and I had to recompile the kernel...damn early linux distros!!!

what microsoft does to your communication skills.. (1, Insightful)

gfody (514448) | more than 6 years ago | (#22971166)


Q: Did you ever post something that Microsoft wished you hadn't?

A: The first post I put up was on the use of BitTorrents to distribute Beta 2, and I gave it a rather sensationalistic title. It got senior management's attention, and from there we had a blank check to engage anyone we needed in order to get the story in time for it to be relevant to our readers.

..huh?

Re:what microsoft does to your communication skill (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22971988)

How exactly is this redundant? I have no idea what it's talking about either.

Fucking mods.

Re:I'll give them another chance: (1)

Gr8Apes (679165) | more than 6 years ago | (#22969980)

My most pleasant and productive time with a computer?

Well, the first time was running OS/2. It just worked... and worked... and worked... 6-9 months uptime between reboots was unremarkable, except that all the other OSes for PCs at the time had uptime in days or, optimistically, weeks.

Fast forward almost a decade, and we have another incarnation of computer pleasantness: OS X. Another system that pretty much just works and works and works.

Of course, both of those are "common" user OSes. If you went with the more esoteric things, Solaris, Irix, Dynix, VMS, OS/400, and whatever that was running on an IBM 360 (WILBUR?), they just kept on running and running and running.

Now, this is not to say that the initial setup and configuration wasn't a pain in the ass, but once you were done, you were done. Unlike a certain Redmond OS that self-destructs anywhere from 3s to about 2 years max. (yep - that 3s is how long it took SmartDrive to clear the CMOS on an EISA motherboard during the reboot on installation - that was fun and the reason OS/2 entered the picture in the first place.)

Re:I'll give them another chance: (2, Interesting)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 6 years ago | (#22970298)

OS X. Another system that pretty much just works and works and works.
I like OSX, too. However there are so many high-end audio plugins and VSTi that don't yet work on an Intel Mac that I can't fully use it yet. I have other reasons for not making a Mac my main production machine that are admittedly more idiosyncratic. One of them is that I'm really uncomfortable associating with religious zealots. I had a bad experience when a neighbor saw me carrying my old dual G4 into my house and decided that we were somehow "sympatico". He thenafter started sending me environmental flyers and rang my doorbell to show me his new Gen3 iPod. It reminded me of the South Park episode where Kyle's parents buy a hybrid car and move to San Francisco and start hanging around other self-absorbed people and smelling their own farts. *shudder*

Plus, my favorite pro audio adapter for music production is still an RME PCI card, and there's only one model Mac that will allow me to install it, and that happens to cost more than 5 grand. I really wish Apple made more than one model of full-size personal computer. So for now, I'm "stuck" using 3 Core 2 Duo machines. They are networked, so I can make use of Reaper's ReaMote capability to spread the rendering of audio over all three of them. It lets me work at very high bit and sample rates.

I just pray to the FSM every night that someday I'll be able to run OSX on my own hardware. I love the interface, I just don't want other people to know I'm using an Apple product. Bad things can happen.

Re:I'll give them another chance: (1)

stewbacca (1033764) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972364)

One of them is that I'm really uncomfortable associating with religious zealots.
So you don't like Linux and Ron Paul?

Seriously, I hate this attitude, and it says more about your own insecurities than it does the reality of MOST Mac users. I'm almost starting to understand what it must be like to be the victim of racism, given the attitudes people hold about me, because I use a Mac, without even knowing me.

Re:I'll give them another chance: (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 6 years ago | (#22971792)

Except when you use Safari for a day straight and it take 1GB of ram and things stop working because you only have 2GB (but I'm sure it would take 3GB of ram after some time if I had 4GB so no difference) and then you have to copy all your urls and quit it to get your ram back. Very convenient ... Thought I'm more of an Opera person, but I have so many tabs in my Opera, which ofcourse are because it actually works ..

Re:Proudest Moment: (1)

onescomplement (998675) | more than 6 years ago | (#22970732)

Can you say Toady? Sure, I knew you could.

Re:No, no (1)

thetsguy (1211146) | more than 6 years ago | (#22971370)

Did anyone throw a chair at him? If not he hasn't left M$FT

He has a small staff. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22971698)

If I were to do it over again, I'd make sure I had a larger staff so we could have gone deeper...
Don't we all... don't we all.

For those not into RTFA (5, Funny)

kipman725 (1248126) | more than 6 years ago | (#22968274)

For those not into RTFA here is a summary: Proudest moment: Dodging the chair as I ran out the door Details Behind departure: DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS... need more be said?

Re:For those not into RTFA (0, Troll)

icsx (1107185) | more than 6 years ago | (#22968342)

Spank the monkey!

Re:For those not into RTFA (1)

nschubach (922175) | more than 6 years ago | (#22968954)

What you should have said is:

Regrettable moments ... Spank the Monkeyboy Mondays

Re:For those not into RTFA (3, Insightful)

GWLlosa (800011) | more than 6 years ago | (#22968346)

Except for the fact that neither of the things you mentioned were so much as alluded to in the article, that's an awesome summary :)

It's actually just about how he likes to blog, he's generally positive on Microsoft, claiming that they allowed him complete freedom to write whatever he wanted to in his blog. His reason for leaving was basically that he thought the new job with some start up was a 'big opportunity' for him.

Nick vs MSFT negotiation tactics (0)

hobo sapiens (893427) | more than 6 years ago | (#22969102)

Nah, it went like this:

MSFT: Nick, Vista was a complete flop. We are holding you responsible. You can either leave and say that you were chasing another opportunity and save face or we'll...

(your choice)

...give you a bad review and make you work on something menial like minesweeper.
...send your car to the pound. With your dogs inside.
...paint your head green and call your aunt really nasty names.
...put milk in your toilet, and feces in your tea.
...spill orange juice in your refrigerator and hide your towels.
...make you have a serious surgery and install Vista on your life support systems.
...open a can of beans and make you drink the juice.
...make you light your grandmother's farts on fire on chili night.
...eat lots of spam and sing pirate songs.
...sail to the Bahamas and make you come right back without getting on the beach.
...plaster pictures of you getting your nostrils raped on myspace.
...send you to NYC dressed like an 17th century nobleman.
...start taunting you in languages you don't speak and show you our knees.


I'll bet it was a picnic.

Re:For those not into RTFA (1)

Zordak (123132) | more than 6 years ago | (#22969950)

Let's be honest. What he said was basically, "I left because my wife gave me permission to." Those who are married know exactly what he's talking about.

Re:For those not into RTFA (1)

edxwelch (600979) | more than 6 years ago | (#22971990)

The reason why they allow him to write whatever he wants is becuase he's one of them (the borg).
"Frankly, I think Windows Vista has gotten a bum rap, as I use it every day - even after having left MS - and I would have a hard time using anything else and still be as productive."

Re:For those not into RTFA (1)

neoform (551705) | more than 6 years ago | (#22968418)

"[..] they sat down with him yesterday to get the details behind his departure, his proudest moments at Microsoft [leaving microsoft], a few regrettable moments [working on vista]."

Vista windowing (-1, Offtopic)

backslashdot (95548) | more than 6 years ago | (#22968314)

When you move a window around in Vista (or XP etc.) the sides of the window flicker, even when you try this on a high end machine. In Mac OS, it never happens, no matter how low resourced the computer is.

Why the hell havent they fixed that? It's easy.

Re:Vista windowing (4, Funny)

Gat0r30y (957941) | more than 6 years ago | (#22968340)

And That is why Nick quit!

Re:Vista windowing (1, Informative)

Tony Hoyle (11698) | more than 6 years ago | (#22968478)

Uhh.. often when you move windows on OSX the *whole* window flickers... at least since the 'leopard graphics update' that screwed everything up. And that's on a top end MBP.

It's not only microsoft that can fuck up graphics.

Re:Vista windowing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22968534)

Yeah, I've seen this lately on my wife's Mac.

In Vista, I saw the GP's effect with a driver (for nvidia 8800gt)I had about a year ago. No other driver reproduced it for me.

Re:Vista windowing (1)

toby (759) | more than 6 years ago | (#22970940)

So it's Leopard then: Because this does not happen on 10.0, 10.1, 10.2, 10.3 or 10.4. On any processor (G3, G4, G5 or Intel).

Re:Vista windowing (1)

Tim Browse (9263) | more than 6 years ago | (#22971456)

Whereas resizing a Finder window on all those OSs was silky smooth :-)

Re:Vista windowing (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 6 years ago | (#22969840)

I've noticed that too, and decided it was one of the main reasons why I always felt Mac and Amiga OS were just more 'solid' than Windows. I can't believe they haven't sorted that out in Vista? What a bunch of morons.. presumably all it takes is some double buffering..

Propaganda (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22968316)

I can't believe the propaganda is so blatant!

Re:Propaganda (1)

Gat0r30y (957941) | more than 6 years ago | (#22968354)

As opposed to the subtle propaganda you are accustomed to getting elsewhere?

Re:Propaganda (5, Interesting)

Technician (215283) | more than 6 years ago | (#22969172)

I can't believe the propaganda is so blatant!

I'm glad you brought that up.

Here is an example;
"Frankly, I think Windows Vista has gotten a bum rap, as I use it every day - even after having left MS - and I would have a hard time using anything else and still be as productive."

He gave the reason I gave up on Vista. I couldn't get anything done. In a meeting I tried to show a DVD. It started OK but stopped to ask if I wanted to upgrade my AV. The stupid computer asked me to upgrade now, even though we were doing a presentation and had no network connections at the time. I wounder if it would have crashed if I told it to upgrade.

We wrote documents and tried to send them to the laser instead of the default inkjet printer. Couldn't find any way to do it without changing the default printer. Later a Google search told me to use the big round logo. It's really a button. Who would of guessed?

The Ubuntu install went fine. I was able to log into my network, attach to printers, edit documents, burn CD's, edit photos, scan documents, etc. on the default setup. Vista was full of shareware requesting upgrades for everything. Almost nothing worked. It couldn't log into my servers, I couldn't select printers without a Google search, and movies stopped after playing for 15 minutes for a stupid dialog box.

With lots of training and system customization, I might be able to become productive on Vista, but the first attempts very poor.

Re:Propaganda (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22969430)

Hmm, let's think about this:

- The DVD playback software doesn't sound a Vista component itself, although it's hard to tell from your description.

- "stopped to ask if I wanted to upgrade my AV" - Anti-Virus? That sounds like a 3rd party component rather than a piece of Vista.

- The "big round logo" is a part of Office 2007, which is not part of Vista. It looks exactly the same on XP.

- The "Shareware requesting updates" are not part of Vista and were installed by your computer manufacturer.

Sounds like you got a crappy OEM machine and none of these are really Vista issues ...

Re:Propaganda (4, Insightful)

Technician (215283) | more than 6 years ago | (#22969692)

too bad you posted AC. Most of your points are correct.

My point is a new Visya machine out of the box from most retailers is not production worthy. It needed an Office Application. Office 2007 has it's own issues. Sorry I mentioned it. My Linux machine came with an office application installed and it worked, was intuitive and the minor bugs were easy to figure out. The biggest annoyance was the default printer paper setting of A4 instead of Letter. It did not require a Google search to fix.

The stopped to ask, I do blame on Vista. When updates are available in Ubuntu for a background task, it simply winks the toolbar item, not stop the foreground task like it did in Vista. This is a Vista fault. I've seen the same task done much better elsewhere.

The Shareware requesting updates being installed by the computer manufacture is a problem with Vista. They should not need the DeCrapifier right out of the box to fix a new machine.

The fix is here;
http://www.pcdecrapifier.com/home [pcdecrapifier.com]

A4 vs Letter (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22971006)

My biggest problem with Microsoft, HP etc is that they default to LETTER size.
There are far more people in the world that use A$ paper than Letter.
Why don't they (Software suppliers) offer and option to set the default paper size and which (English Dictionary to use for that matter) at install time?

I have lost count of the number of documents I had had fail to print over the years when some dumb ass HP printer accepts the Letter sized job from office and then does not know what to do with it.... Instead of using the A4 tray.

Re:Propaganda (1)

jimicus (737525) | more than 6 years ago | (#22971826)

The Shareware requesting updates being installed by the computer manufacture is a problem with Vista. They should not need the DeCrapifier right out of the box to fix a new machine.
Erm... that's not a problem with Vista. That's a problem with all the OEMs who put that crap on there. Indeed, that's why the DeCrapifier exists.

Re:Propaganda (1)

kklein (900361) | more than 6 years ago | (#22969978)

Indeed, that was more of a rant against OEM crap than Vista, and you'll find no love for OEM crap anywhere on Slashdot.

It should not have been modded up.

Re:Propaganda (1)

GeffDE (712146) | more than 6 years ago | (#22970154)

- If you are watching a movie, or doing something full screen, why the hell would you want to see a dialog box? That's why you're in full screen; that's the modality of window that shows nothingbut that window. Why should an OS let a popup show up?

- And the AV is not necessarily 3rd party. Vista comes bundled with an AV. And, quite frankly, nobody loves those little popup windows like Microsoft.

- Not being able to log onto servers is a big bummer, too, especially if you need those servers to do work. I mean, if you can't log onto Samba shares, you might as well use a Mac.../sarcasm

Obviously you didn't think very hard about it. While not all of the problems can be attributed to Vista, the above can. At least you're classier than most ACs.

Re:Propaganda (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22969708)

Later a Google search told me to use the big round logo. It's really a button. Who would of guessed?

I have an idea as to who would have guessed: Anyone using Office 2007 for the first time (by user account), at which point it glows and says "I'm a button!"?

I'm not so convinced you've even *used* Vista/Office 2007 (as is the case with so many who spew out the same garbage reasons why M$ is the suxorz). Nice rant/push of Ubuntu, though.

Re:Propaganda (2, Informative)

Technician (215283) | more than 6 years ago | (#22970798)

'm not so convinced you've even *used* Vista/Office 2007 (as is the case with so many who spew out the same garbage reasons why M$ is the suxorz). Nice rant/push of Ubuntu, though.

You got me there. It's my wife's new machine. She got it for school. She wanted to connecto to the home LAN. No prob, gave it what it needed to get on the web. Set it up to use our networked printers, and inkjet and laser. She wanted to transfers her stuff from her very old Win ME laptop. She transferred the files to the Simple Share NAS in her folder. She couldn't log in with the new Vista laptop to get her files...

My using Vista has only been a support nightmare. Ubuntu takes about 15 minutes to point to 2 HP printers on a LAN using CUPS. The Vista machine really tried to find the Windows IIS server. MS version of //192.168.19.106/lp1 covered 3 dialog pages with the names just enough diffrent so you needed a Google search to figure out how to enter the info. The naming conventions are much like Favorites vs Bookmarks. With a stand alone printserver with an IP address instead of a name, makes connecting a Vista machine a big task for a newbie to Vista. It took 2 hours to configure 2 printers, and another 4 hours to find why Vista couldn't log into a Simple Share NAS where everyting else including Windows 95, Mac, and Ubuntu. can do it easily. I have the username, Workgroup, password and had to make a registery change to fix it.

After blowing the day just to get it up to the bare minimum functionality (printing, backup/restore, WWW) she was ready to use it for her classes. She asked for help setting up the projector for the video clip, so I set it up in the presenter mode so the Windows icons didn't show on the big screen (dual monitor), started the show, dimmed the lights and took a seat. A few minutes into the clip, it simply vanished off screen leaving an empty desktop background. Brought up the lights to troubleshoot and went back to the laptop and found the dialog box...

You are right. I don't use Vista. I've seen it let us down. We use my laptop for video clips now. I don't have to wait for the FBI warning. The movie just starts and doesn't die unexpectedly for some random nag screen.
Shhh.. With Acid Rip, clips can be simply saved on the hard drive and can become part of the slide show, but that's a DCMA violation.. Shhh... it works great, but not on Vista.

To get things done, I use something besides Vista.

Re:Propaganda (1)

kklein (900361) | more than 6 years ago | (#22970088)

Although it sounds like you mostly had issues with an OEM install, rather than Vista, I switched to the Mac because it worked so much better on the Windows 2003 network at work than XP. I'm sure Ubuntu would have done just as well, but I need to run a lot of specific software that isn't available on Linux.

Well, it's not available on OSX either, but VMware Fusion takes care of that.

Eeenteresting (5, Funny)

26199 (577806) | more than 6 years ago | (#22968374)

So he sounds like a reasonable guy, and from what he says he was allowed to be honest and make his own decisions.

Unfortunately it's one of the laws of PR that a dishonest PR person can claim to be honest just as easily as an honest one.

Ah well. I have faith in humanity! I believe him.

Re:Eeenteresting (4, Funny)

garett_spencley (193892) | more than 6 years ago | (#22969024)

"Ah well. I have faith in humanity!"

Can you please give me the contact info for your drug dealer ? I want some of whatever the hell you're on.

Re:Eeenteresting (1)

26199 (577806) | more than 6 years ago | (#22969130)

Er. Actually it's about three bottles of beer and a couple of glasses of wine, just now. Traditional, effective and legal!

What a bunch of convoluted nonsense (4, Insightful)

maynard (3337) | more than 6 years ago | (#22968378)

The new gig is not about me blogging, itâ(TM)s about helping bloggers do what they do best â" shape opinion through the sharing of information â" hand in hand with helping companies understand the role they can play in that conversation.


Mmmmm, the lovely taste of vomit. I never knew 'shaping opionion' by 'sharing information' was what 'bloggers do best'. That statement is even more ironic considering only a few paragraphs earlier he said:

Listen to your readers â" theyâ(TM)re the reason you get a paycheck. Case in point[blah blah blah](


I won't argue with whether Vista is good or bad, because what galls me about this interview is not the debate over Vista but the man's presumptions about his audience and the supposed purpose of marketing being to '[change] the prevailing âoewisdomâ around [the product], one user at a time[...]'. And one does this by 'to explain things in terms that didnâ(TM)t sound like spin but rather presented the facts without being leading, and in a manner that respected our readersâ(TM) intelligence.'

Because, 'I learned that companies ignore or attempt to manipulate public opinion around their products and services at their peril.' And we know Microsoft (or any other corporate "blogger" (I'm sorry, let's call him what he is: Shill) would never do such a thing - right? I mean, Lord help the company that tries to 'manipulate public opinion' with lies - whoops, I mean market-speak.

Asshole.

Re:What a bunch of convoluted nonsense (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22968576)

Yeah, this was a great example why you should not RTFA.

Like having an article why the chicken crossed the road...

Re:What a bunch of convoluted nonsense (2, Informative)

nsayer (86181) | more than 6 years ago | (#22968582)

I'm sorry, let's call him what he is: Shill
Folks, words have meanings.

Specifically, in this case, a shill is "an accomplice of a hawker, gambler, or swindler who acts as an enthusiastic customer to entice or encourage others."

Now.

Can you produce any evidence that while this guy was blogging for Microsoft that he in any way hid his affiliation? If you can't, then he's not a shill. He may be something else, but that being the case, you should have picked the correct word for whatever it is you want to call him.

Re:What a bunch of convoluted nonsense (5, Informative)

hondo77 (324058) | more than 6 years ago | (#22968862)

Merriam-Webster also defines shill as "one who makes a sales pitch or serves as a promoter".

Re:What a bunch of convoluted nonsense (5, Funny)

hullabalucination (886901) | more than 6 years ago | (#22969080)

Would you quit shilling for Merriam-Webster?

--

I was ugly and had no penis until I tried Ma Rainey's Moleskin Cookies!

Re:What a bunch of convoluted nonsense (1)

nsayer (86181) | more than 6 years ago | (#22970534)

Then they're wrong. Every dictionary I have consulted so far has taken the opposite view. I even remember an old Bob 'n Ray sketch where they were talking about interesting occupations and one was a supermarket shill, who - wait for it - posed as a customer to influence the shopping behavior of the other customers. That was broadcast in the 1940s (I heard it on tape many decades later).

Re:What a bunch of convoluted nonsense (1)

klui (457783) | more than 6 years ago | (#22971216)

You'll love the Oxford definition.

Re:What a bunch of convoluted nonsense (1)

ozmanjusri (601766) | more than 6 years ago | (#22970800)

Can you produce any evidence that while this guy was blogging for Microsoft that he in any way hid his affiliation? If you can't, then he's not a shill.

He wasn't then.

He is now.

Re:What a bunch of convoluted nonsense (1)

garcia (6573) | more than 6 years ago | (#22968716)

And we know Microsoft (or any other corporate "blogger" (I'm sorry, let's call him what he is: Shill) would never do such a thing - right?

No, he's not a shill [wikipedia.org] because everyone knew what the blog was and who was hosting it. He also openly admits that he was working for Microsoft which is completely opposite of what a shill would do while astroturfing.

To call him an asshole might be true, I don't know him personally but to call him an asshole because you confused about what the words you use mean is another story all together.

Re:What a bunch of convoluted nonsense (1)

syntek (1265716) | more than 6 years ago | (#22969144)

So your taking the wikipedia definition of shill over the Merriam-Webster one?

Re:What a bunch of convoluted nonsense (3, Funny)

mattack2 (1165421) | more than 6 years ago | (#22969354)

Of course, because it has truthiness.

Re:What a bunch of convoluted nonsense (1, Interesting)

ILikeRed (141848) | more than 6 years ago | (#22968878)

What piece of shit software are you using that can not handle simple English text and insists on inserting (TM) trademark symbols where I assume you meant single quote mark? And, yes - it is a serious question - I have seen it in other places - just wonder what piece of Software is responsible for such garbage in something so simple as plain text entry.

Re:What a bunch of convoluted nonsense (1)

Tim Browse (9263) | more than 6 years ago | (#22971466)

Believing that text entry is 'simple' is probably one of the reasons so much software has a problem with it.

Re:What a bunch of convoluted nonsense (1)

maynard (3337) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972108)

What piece of shit software are you using that can not handle simple English text and insists on inserting (TM) trademark symbols where I assume you meant single quote mark?


Unicode differences between Widows and the Mac, I presume. Using Firefox on OS X 10.5, and all I did was cut and paste the text in. Didn't notice the problem in preview or I would have hand edited out the errors.

And we care why? (4, Insightful)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 6 years ago | (#22968382)

Marketing writer leaves Microsoft... and this becomes a /. story?

Re:And we care why? (1)

philspear (1142299) | more than 6 years ago | (#22968616)

So true.

SLASHDOTNEWSFLASH! Bill gates is getting coffee at a starbucks right now!

Read more... 3225 star wars quotes and other /. inside jokes

Re:And we care why? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22968672)

by philspear (1142299)
lurk moar plzkthx.

Re:And we care why? (1)

philspear (1142299) | more than 6 years ago | (#22969600)

There was the word "lurk" and then there was some gibberish. I didn't understand that.

Re:And we care why? (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 6 years ago | (#22969878)

lurk more, please, okay, thanks :) I didn't bother thinking what it meant til I saw your reply, but yah the inside jokes get okay after a while, despite sometimes being overdone or improperly applied

Re:And we care why? (3, Insightful)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 6 years ago | (#22968628)

Well, if an economist quits department of treasury, or a priest quits church, is something to note, someone is quitting from a place which main speciality is what does that person.

And now that kind of things happening to a company that is part of /. culture... yes, is stuff that matters.

Re:And we care why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22969810)

We care because it GOT YOUR CLICK! And my click, too! It got all of our clicks. That's the beauty of it. Geek sees headline in RSS feed. Headline reads "Why "Vista" Nick White Left Microsoft". Geek clicks headline to rush to story, eagerly anticipating an orgy of scandalous confessions showing a behind-the-scenes glimpse of the back of Sauron's eye. Peanut butter foot fetish orgies! Cocaine off the buttocks of underage Vietnamese hookers! Ballmer gnawing through chair legs like a beaver on Red Bull! Confessions of a teenage Borg! The shallow graves on the leeward side of Microsoft campus! The Fall of the House of Redmond!

Sadly, we reach the penultimate anticlimax of stale mediocrity. Forget it, Jake; it's Chinatown!

Re:And we care why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22971446)

Because /. or one of its insiders has an agreement to keep 2 M$ plugs on the front page at any given time.

spin spin spin (4, Insightful)

Bored MPA (1202335) | more than 6 years ago | (#22968392)

name recognition, name recognition,
rolodex, rolodex,

blah. why are there even MORE stories about this on slashdot. it was obviously hype to benefit nick, benefit his new employer, and then play down the MS leaving angle to make somewhat/all nice with his old employer. everybody wins. even slashdot. go go gadget newscycle.

everybody except me, im the idiot taking the time to click the link and write this little rant. and you're the idiots taking the time to mod me -1 troll and +5 underrated.

  *headdesk*

Re:spin spin spin (1)

blind biker (1066130) | more than 6 years ago | (#22968606)

blah. why are there even MORE stories about this on slashdot. it was obviously hype to benefit nick, benefit his new employer, and then play down the MS leaving angle to make somewhat/all nice with his old employer. everybody wins. even slashdot. go go gadget newscycle.

everybody except me, im the idiot taking the time to click the link and write this little rant. and you're the idiots taking the time to mod me -1 troll and +5 underrated.
It's called "circlejerk". [urbandictionary.com]

Re:spin spin spin (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 6 years ago | (#22969896)

Circle Jerk.. good name for a stick man comic..

to summarize.... (1)

marvelouspatric (1112793) | more than 6 years ago | (#22968396)

seems to me that he left because he was blogging about the making of vista, and now that's over. his job is done. i found it interesting that he's moving to a "word of mouth" style marketing firm. i guess that it still is true that even with all the advertising we see everywhere in our lives, word of mouth is more effective.

Re:to summarize.... (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 6 years ago | (#22968472)

Word of mouth is the best marketing. Why do you think there's all that hype about "viral marketing" now?

RAM (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22968462)

He just ran out of RAM

Why is he leaving? (2, Funny)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 6 years ago | (#22968492)

Considering it's MS, my guess is, he knew too much.

How you interpret that now is up to you, I think both ways could be true.

Save your time - he said nothing (3, Informative)

ahabswhale (1189519) | more than 6 years ago | (#22968502)

I read the whole article and nothing was actually revealing probably because he failed to say anything negative whatsoever about his former company (and everyone has something negative to say about their employer), yet he offers no real reason why he left but it's supposedly an interview about his leaving Microsoft... Sorry for the run-on sentence.

Re:Save your time - he said nothing (2, Informative)

gujo-odori (473191) | more than 6 years ago | (#22969738)

Heh. I'm a former Microsoft employee and I have loads of negative things to say about Microsoft. Some positive things, too, but the negative list is far longer and contains more "heavyweight" items. He may be under heavy NDA, but OTOH I never signed anything regarding not saying bad things about Microsoft after I left, and I was a manager there, FWIW. Probably, as others have suggested, he doesn't want to piss off Microsoft by saying negative - if truthful - things about Microsoft or its products.

On the third hand, so to speak, I will tell anyone who asks what I thing is good and bad about MSFT, and I don't mind saying that in the relative anonymity of /. either, but I'm not sure I would want to put my negative opinions up in a well-read forum with my real name attached. MSFT is a 900 gorilla with 1000 pound lawyers and by far the most paranoid place I ever worked, so I can't say as I blame the guy.

He said nothing, because ... (2, Interesting)

celtic_hackr (579828) | more than 6 years ago | (#22969834)

he makes his living by being a voice on the internet for companies. You don't go to an interview and bad mouth you're previous employers. It's the quickest way to end your career opportunities with the company interviewing you. Which is another reason why no one seeking or thinking about ever wanting to seek employment should blast their former employers in publicly accessible forms like postings on the internet. If you are one of the top three coders in the world, you can probably say or do anything and not have to worry. But if you are just another advertising agent, you'd better not make any enemies or make any public anouncements like "So and So is the worst company in the world". So, nothing unusual that a salesman doesn't have anything bad to say about a company he was a salesman for.
Doh!

ZZZzzz.... (2, Informative)

mrobinso (456353) | more than 6 years ago | (#22968666)

He had me at:

"PR had a voice in what content appeared on the blog but they were only one stakeholder among many."

It was the only statement he made that had any substance. And if you think for one minute there never has been, isn't, never will be a muzzle on this dude:

[geek] "What feature did you want to see in Vista that was dropped at the last minute and why?"

[nw]"I came onto the Windows team too late to have an informed opinion, and what I do know should probably remain non-public information. Sorry."

Pffffft.

Re:ZZZzzz.... (2, Funny)

DannyO152 (544940) | more than 6 years ago | (#22969022)

And Vista(TM) which I use every day makes me more productive(TM). It must be all the forest creatures who fly in to help with the housework.

My take (4, Informative)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 6 years ago | (#22968706)

Marketing Droid speaks Marketing Noise, to people who really don't care.

"Did you ever post something that Microsoft wished you hadnâ(TM)t?

The first post I put up was on the use of BitTorrents to distribute Beta 2, and I gave it a rather sensationalistic title. It got senior managementâ(TM)s attention, and from there we had a blank check to engage anyone we needed in order to get the story in time for it to be relevant to our readers. So while it was perhaps a risky route to go in the short-term, it was that story that ensured our blog was apportioned the resources necessary to get the job done right. In short, Iâ(TM)d do it again and in the same way (only Iâ(TM)d blame it all on my managers :) )."

If you read this, he never answer the freakin question, as asked! In fact, he said he'd do it again. I don't know if that was sarcasm, which doesn't work well in written form, or what.

Why can't people ever answer the question? Seriously. Crap crap crap. I just wasted 5 minutes

Re:My take (1)

cwazycrash (780066) | more than 6 years ago | (#22968810)

Absolutely, this was just a huge waste of my time. A piece of Crap!

Re:My take (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22969796)

I take it he meant Microsoft didn't like his first post.

Not Slashdottish enough (1)

El Lobo (994537) | more than 6 years ago | (#22968714)

You know, with answers like:

Why did you leave Microsoft?

It was time for a change and the opportunity was too good to resist. And I managed to convince my wife that we're in a place where we can take on a little more risk

and

Did Microsoft ever keep you from posting something? No, the decision to post or not post content on the blog was always my decision and the buck always stopped with me. That was part of what made the role great and kept it interesting for 2 years.
or

What are you most excited about in the roadmap for Vista? Frankly, I think Windows Vista has gotten a bum rap, as I use it every day - even after having left MS - and I would have a hard time using anything else and still be as productive.
I'd call this the ANTI-slashdottish article. When he announced his departure, people on this place began speculating about how the poor gut "got sacked" or "was tired of defending Vista crap", etc.... :-))))))

Re:Not Slashdottish enough (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 6 years ago | (#22969916)

Sounds like he's still on their payroll to me. He completely avoided the last question. He's as bad as the damn politicians! That's pretty bad.

You know you've not only not succeeded, but ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22968778)

utterly and miserably failed, when "Vista" is part of your nickname.

The real reason... (4, Funny)

San-LC (1104027) | more than 6 years ago | (#22968788)

The real reason why Nick White left is because too many people kept calling him "Vista" Nick White, and as soon as the ladies correlated that, like Vista, Nick White underperformed and was overhyped, they left him like a chubby kid at fat camp.

Re:The real reason... (1)

Viceroy Potatohead (954845) | more than 6 years ago | (#22969662)

Don't forget, he also needs higher-end, expensive hardware to perform adequately and doesn't work well with others, so he's kind of like a belligerent, high-maintenance, chubby kid at fat camp. None of that's good.

Re:The real reason... (1)

Caboosian (1096069) | more than 6 years ago | (#22969954)

Wouldn't a chubby kid at a fat camp be like a skinny kid at a normal camp?

Very boring article, don't bother to RTFA (2, Informative)

gilesjuk (604902) | more than 6 years ago | (#22968964)

Someone who has held a position like that is unlikely to fight back and burn bridges by slagging off Microsoft. In fact you would think he still worked there given the positive spin his article provides.

There's no way he'd ruin his career by giving us any dirt on Microsoft and Vista, future employers wouldn't like that. He's probably signed an NDA anyway.

Re:Very boring article, don't bother to RTFA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22971478)

"There's no way he'd ruin his career by giving us any dirt on Microsoft and Vista, future employers wouldn't like that. He's probably signed an NDA anyway."


So you're saying that MSFTers are basically unemployable anywhere in the tech sector? You're probably right.

New job training astroturfers (3, Insightful)

JebusIsLord (566856) | more than 6 years ago | (#22969218)

This quote, at the end caught my attention:

Q: "Are you going to be blogging for BuzzCorps?"

A: "The new gig is not about me blogging, it's about helping bloggers do what they do best - shape opinion through the sharing of information"

So he's moved on to a far more luctrative career in training astroturfers. Great.

Re:New job training astroturfers (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 6 years ago | (#22969924)

Sounds more like he's joined the Church of Scientology :P

New innovation at last! (1)

lancejjj (924211) | more than 6 years ago | (#22969370)

I'm now part of BuzzCorps, a word-of-mouth marketing firm
I always thought that Word of Mouth Communications (WoM) could be a great way to spread news about the best products and companies, but I realized that my friends were simply unable to communicate their thoughts and opinions all on their own.

That's likely why I went and installed Linux - the word-of-mouth for Windows just simply wasn't there.

But now there is a whole emerging INDUSTRY leveraging the idea of word-of-mouth!

Just think: This new industry could make this whole recession thing go away by spreading the word! American innovation remains strong! (spread the word!)

Regrets? (3, Informative)

MoeDrippins (769977) | more than 6 years ago | (#22969496)

Can someone point out the regrets? I couldn't find any. Neither could firefox.

Re:Regrets? (1)

mh101 (620659) | more than 6 years ago | (#22971066)

Well, I regret wasting time reading that article...

MS Speak (2, Interesting)

Whiteox (919863) | more than 6 years ago | (#22970252)

If you read the FA, you might of picked up a bit of MS Speak:

Whether I'll be missed is a question better fielded by the audience of our blog and the members of the community influencer program I managed.
I come across MS Speak every now and then. Some of it surprises me for its arrogance, and some shows how insular the MS culture can be.

OMG! The details behind his departure! (1)

blake182 (619410) | more than 6 years ago | (#22970788)

Wow, I'm really interested in this! What were the details behind his departure from Microsoft... I'll bet it was something really juicy...

It was time for a change and the opportunity was too good to resist.

Uh.

I tied my bathrobe for this?

Sigh. Nickrolled.

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