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Windows 7 in the Next Year?

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 6 years ago | from the also-duke-nukem-forever dept.

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Microsoft's efforts to get businesses to adopt Vista may come to a screeching halt now that Bill Gates has announced "Sometime in the next year or so we will have a new version", referring to Windows 7, the next expected version of the company's flagship desktop operating system.With a new version available soon, many organizations may decide to wait and see if they can avoid the pain of a Vista rollout altogether.

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I don't think so (3, Insightful)

joaommp (685612) | more than 6 years ago | (#22971928)

They may very well test it a bit longer and delay it a bit in the end just to make sure another vistaesque fiasco doesn't roll out.

Nah, not really (5, Funny)

2.7182 (819680) | more than 6 years ago | (#22971938)

they will release it, but it will just be a repackaged version of xp. They probably want to switch back to it without anyone really knowing. It like the "new coke"

Re:Nah, not really (0)

LaskoVortex (1153471) | more than 6 years ago | (#22971950)

it will just be a repackaged version of xp

My bet is that will be a repackaged version of vista.

Re:Nah, not really (2, Informative)

sgbett (739519) | more than 6 years ago | (#22971968)

my bet is that they are re-skinning some "New Technology" they are involved with [novell.com] !

Re:Nah, not really (2, Funny)

somersault (912633) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972024)

That would be awesome, but their death sentence. Can you imagine if all 'Vista compatible' apps were also almost 100% compatible with Linux? It's the stuff that wet dreams are made of.. uh.. I mean.. oh whatever ..

Re:Nah, not really (5, Interesting)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972076)

I'm not so sure that having all Vista compatible apps also Linux compatible would be the "death sentence" for Microsoft.

If there was a company that made a "professional, commercial" Linux-type OS that could run all Windows programs natively, I'd not only buy 5 copies, but stock in the company.

Hell, I'd tattoo their logo on my neck.

Re:Nah, not really (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22972502)

Where would you like your 5 copies of Mac OS X sent?

Re:Nah, not really (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22972118)

Can you imagine if all 'Vista compatible' apps were also almost 100% compatible with Linux?
What, both of them?

Re:Nah, not really (1)

BrentH (1154987) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972126)

They could make a layer on top of Linux (like Apple has done with Cacao or whatever its called) that basically makes sure that doesn't happen. We'd still have the Linux goodness under the hood though.

Re:Nah, not really (1)

Poltras (680608) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972512)

That's what I was thinking and it's been years that I said Microsoft would need to do that. Actually, would that happen - a Linux/Unix subsystem based on a custom Windows kernel, with a specifically designed UI, it would give me some faith that there are still thinking technical heads at Microsoft (obviously, there are thinking marketing heads, though one could argue that Microsoft is just making money on the inertia they built in the last decade[s]). And maybe regain me as a customer.

Re:Nah, not really (1)

bcmm (768152) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972042)

You mean Windows "NT"?

Re:Nah, not really (1)

joaommp (685612) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972046)

You moderated him funny, but this may actually be more close to the truth then it looks like... Or they will just take the Server 2008 system and revamp it. If you install server 2008 and make the necessary tweaks, you'll actually get a _functional_ faster and uncrashy Vista.

7 of 9? (1)

Shturmovik (632314) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972106)

That means only two more versions to endure after Windows 7!

Yay!

Re:I don't think so (4, Insightful)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972066)

They may very well test it a bit longer and delay it a bit in the end just to make sure another vistaesque fiasco doesn't roll out.
I'm not sure "not enough testing" was what made Vista such an unpleasant experience for many of us.

I think it had more to do with problems with design and implementation. Arguably, you could say there are also issues with the overall scope of what MS was trying to accomplish with Vista.

I find that hard to believe (5, Insightful)

AC-x (735297) | more than 6 years ago | (#22971936)

Next year? they haven't even started beta yet have they?

Re:I find that hard to believe (4, Insightful)

bcmm (768152) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972030)

Of course it won't be ready by then. They'll keep putting the date back. But they hope that if they keep saying it's almost ready, businesses won't get impatient and migrate to Linux.

Re:I find that hard to believe (4, Insightful)

BountyX (1227176) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972054)

It's a marketing ploy. They are trying to say to the world "ok we screwed up, look were already making a better one". By making it seem like they quickly fixed the "Vista" bug, it gives their consumers more confidence.

Re:I find that hard to believe (3, Interesting)

Orange Crush (934731) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972116)

Isn't that what Vista SP1 was supposed to be? Folks have been getting Vista on new computers and some poor saps even bought it off store shelves. I know better than to get a MS OS before at least a year and a service pack or two. Many do not. Releasing the next version as quickly as possible rather than fixing or replacing what people already paid for does not inspire consumer confidence. (Kinda like how they handled Windows ME . . .)

Re:I find that hard to believe (1)

BountyX (1227176) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972306)

No they screwed up so bad they realized it needed a complete name change.

Re:I find that hard to believe (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972104)

Yeah, for all MS professes to have advanced, they still are doing the same things gave them their bad reputation. Developers and businesses are not as gullible as they once were. We're still waiting for the revolutionary file system that Cairo was supposed to bring over a decade ago. The difference now is busineses know what about Linux with all the pros and cons of using Linux over Windows.

Re:I find that hard to believe (1)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972110)

Wouldn't that more likely stop the already slow migration from XP to Vista? I think since XP is still available that most businesses will just stick with it (until it becomes unbearable which is hardly the case....) if they can.

Now, maybe they actually want to slow the sales of Vista for some reason. But I'll leave it to another to extrapolate.

Re:I find that hard to believe (4, Informative)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972362)

The way microsoft changes everything as far as administration goes I'm surprised the admins haven't revolted yet. You have to relearn, and recertify every time a new release comes out. With Linux, different distros have different GUIs for admin tasks, but that's just GUI. You can do everything for admin from the command line, and nothing has really changed much in the last 15 years.

+1 Insightful (4, Insightful)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972144)

This announcement is all about keeping up momentum and stopping people from looking elsewhere.

OF COURSE it won't be released next year, or even the year after. They'll want to "get it 100% right this time".

Re:+1 Insightful (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22972450)

Mods: beware the temptation to waste a point modding this down; I've fallen for the same troll/trick in the past but the guy was at least clever enough to rate himself +5 Insightful.

Re:I find that hard to believe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22972194)

it's an ms product, it IS the beta.

Microsoft: "The whole world is our beta tester." (3, Interesting)

Futurepower(R) (558542) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972432)

Bill Gates: "Sometime in the next year or so we will have a new version".

Quoting the parent comment: "Next year? they haven't even started beta yet have they?"

You are forgetting what appears to be a core Microsoft philosophy: "The whole world is our beta tester."

The problem with Vista is that buyers are becoming technically knowledgeable enough that they don't want to be beta testers of a very unfinished product that requires them to buy more powerful hardware. Remember that Windows XP Service Pack 2 was released only 3 years ago. Before that was 3 years during which every Windows XP customer was a beta tester of a very unfinished product that didn't even handle USB very well.

Sometimes it seems to me that Microsoft is not primarily a software company that is abusive, but an abuse company that sells software as a method of delivering abuse.

Remember that a "new version" can be as little as moving the menus around and causing everyone a lot of annoyance, as Microsoft did with IE 7. There should be a song, "50 ways to abuse the customer."

The end comes soon, and Microsoft is trying to delay the end. With XP, most users have all the operating system they want. Except for the built-in susceptibility to malware, Windows XP is acceptable. Customers just want to do their work. They don't sit around all day dreaming about new features of an OS.

For most of Microsoft's customers, there is no need for change, especially when they realize that the Chief of Grief, software's Dr. Death, will quickly declare the death of that version, too, as it tried to do with Windows XP.

Another problem at Microsoft is apparently that the good people have left, and the people who remain are not knowledgeable enough to do the work. Microsoft's employees know the end is near, and the creative programmers have already left. Only those who just want a job remain.

Re:Microsoft: "The whole world is our beta tester. (1)

Nimey (114278) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972466)

XP *still* doesn't handle USB that well. Buy a cheap new inkjet printer & plug it in before you run the install CD. See what happens.

Same thing happened not that long ago with a Sony digital camera I was gifted. Thankfully we've got more than one computer.

Re:I find that hard to believe (1)

ozmanjusri (601766) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972474)

they haven't even started beta yet have they?

Microsoft wouldn't use vaporware announcements to dampen interest in DR-DOS ^W competitors' products would they?

good idea! (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22971944)

And I'm sure it will be thoroughly tested and not cause anyone any headaches like Vista has.

1000 years of darkness ending soon? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22971958)

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Re:1000 years of darkness ending soon? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22971984)

Man, that's kooky!

Re:1000 years of darkness ending soon? (1)

doti (966971) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972356)

Well, the title of the post alone is not that offtopic.

Looks like we'll celebrate the end of the dark microsoft empire sooner than I expected.

It sounds pretty quick... (2, Insightful)

Red Samurai (893134) | more than 6 years ago | (#22971960)

But I doubt it'll be a whole new OS. I reckon they'll just change Vista enough so that it doesn't suck anymore. That, combined with a slightly different GUI, and they'll hope they have a successful OS on their hands.

Re:It sounds pretty quick... (1)

cloricus (691063) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972000)

So basically re-release XP then? :P

Re:It sounds pretty quick... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22972034)

My guess is they'll port WinXP to the new Win7 kernel (aka linux 2.7), and announce it with "Wow! It works!". And of course, it will have DirectX 12 which will be binary incompatible with DirectX 10...

Re:It sounds pretty quick... (1)

david_thornley (598059) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972468)

And it won't have adequate backward compatibility. Face it, if people are going to have to rebuy all their apps, they're going to take a close look at Macs and Linux. Apple is picking up market share fast right now, and without XP it'll only be faster.

I've been betting on Google for the next Evil Empire (for one thing, I like the irony), but Apple just might have a shot.

Re:It sounds pretty quick... (1)

DKlineburg (1074921) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972174)

Windows 3.11?

Ground up (1)

el_chupanegre (1052384) | more than 6 years ago | (#22971970)

They are going to develop a new OS 'from the ground up' like they said yesterday, in a year!?! Good luck!

Re:Ground up (2, Interesting)

squidinkcalligraphy (558677) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972026)

Microsoft has enough cash reserves to operate for at least a year without selling a single product. If they focused everything on developing Windows 7, then they might, just, have something in a year. Of course, they've been working on it for a while already. That said, they don't have a particularly good track record on delivering these kinds of things (OS's) in the timeframes they say...

Re:Ground up (5, Funny)

murr (214674) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972164)

Microsoft has enough cash reserves to operate for at least a year without selling a single product. If they focused everything on developing Windows 7, then they might, just, have something in a year.

That's about as likely as getting 9 women to have a baby in one month.

Re:Ground up (1)

lanswitch (705539) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972270)

Getting them to have a baby would take much less than a month. The delivery of the babies would, of course, take the usual 9 months.

Re:Ground up (1)

gweihir (88907) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972300)

Not possible. There is a minimal time a software product needs to be designed and implemented. Making the team larger delays it further.

Re:Ground up (2, Interesting)

somersault (912633) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972028)

I think the core of Amiga OS was written by one guy who locked himself in a dark room for a few days :P Can't remember the exact timeframe. Too many cooks spoil the broth and all that..

Re:Ground up (0, Redundant)

MRiGnS (1125139) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972098)

Ms Winbuntu 2009

2-3 years is normal for Windows (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22971980)

Vista was released late 2006/early 2007. Windows has had 2-3 year release cycles for most of its life up to Vista (and if you want to count Server 2003, Vista isn't that far off). So end 2009 for the next release is pretty much in line with past releases.

Re:2-3 years is normal for Windows (2, Informative)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972210)

Yes but all those releases were incremental upgrades to Windows. They changed parts but the overall design of Windows was the same. Vista took so long because it was a rather large change in the design of Windows. Windows 7 is a complete rethinking. I doubt that could take 2-3 years.

Re:2-3 years is normal for Windows (4, Informative)

Martin Blank (154261) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972384)

Vista took that long because they scrapped almost all of their work half-way through, a great example of extraordinarily poor project management. We've seen mention here at Slashdot of the enormous resources poured into just the shutdown screen. They were behind schedule, over budget, and missed their goals to an unacceptable extent, but they had to be able to recoup the investment, so it got pushed out the door.

Meanwhile, Steven Sinofsky was over running the Office 2007 program, which delivered essentially on-time and on-budget, hitting almost all of the goals. (I know a lot of people don't like the interface, but that's a separate point from the project management.) Sinofsky was promoted to oversee Windows development, and inherited the mess left behind by Jim Allchin. The earlier Slashdot article alluding to a complete overhaul of Windows may well be his doing, an attempt to get the focus back where it needs to be in order to not have a fiasco the next time around. We may even finally see the emergence of WFS finally.

This means (2, Funny)

eclectro (227083) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972002)

Slashdot April Fool's post is four days late. Hahahaha. Not as funny as the ponies thing though.

Wow !! Windows 7 even SOUNDS COOL !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22972010)







Count me in !! I am doing the Windows 7 funky monkey !!


How about Windows Seven ??


COOL !!


Or ... Linux ?? Sounds like a disease !! GIMP ?? KDE ?? OICU812 !!



Re:Wow !! Windows 7 even SOUNDS COOL !! (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972040)

Hey, you forgot to mention stuff like Firefox to get your obviously unbiased view across.. I think there mus be a lot in a name. I propose we rename Vista to 'Blista'

Re:Wow !! Windows 7 even SOUNDS COOL !! (1)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972120)

I prefer to call it Windows Fistula.
Its an orifice that contains a stinking pile of crap.

Breaking API compatibilty...release in 1 year? No. (3, Insightful)

ChangeOnInstall (589099) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972012)

Didn't we just read that they're breaking binary compatibility with Windows XP/Vista in 7? I laud them for doing this, but the idea that a modular, completely-rethought, bloat-free, and binary incompatible Windows is one year away strikes me as nothing short of absurd. The only cases I can see where both of these facts being correct is either that 7 has been in development for at least three years, or the new item is a steaming pile.

The more likely scenario is that we're being mislead (e.g., the inference that he's talking about Windows 7 is wrong, or that the previous article today regarding binary incompatibility is hogwash).

Re:Breaking API compatibilty...release in 1 year? (1)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972124)

Binaries incompatible Windows 7 would be a godsend..... but if only IBM/some_other_donor_of_programmer_and_money stuck a major amount of resources into Wine the year before:)

Re:Breaking API compatibilty...release in 1 year? (1)

lanswitch (705539) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972368)

We don't need binary compatibility anymore. legacy apps can run in virtual machines. you can bet that microsoft will incorporate some kind of basix xp legacy vm into windows 7 to solve any compatibility issue that may arise.

Re:Breaking API compatibilty...release in 1 year? (2, Insightful)

blind biker (1066130) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972132)

Breaking binary compatibility would make development considerably *easier*, not harder.

Re:Breaking API compatibilty...release in 1 year? (3, Insightful)

Computershack (1143409) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972328)

Breaking binary compatibility would make development considerably *easier*, not harder.
Indeed. WinME was shite because it tried to maintain Win98 compatibility. WinVista is shite because it's trying to maintain Win2k/XP compatibility.
Sometimes you just need to flush the whole lot down the crapper and start with a clean sheet.

Re:Breaking API compatibilty...release in 1 year? (1)

Eddi3 (1046882) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972494)

"Sometimes you just need to flush the whole lot down the crapper and start [new.]"

Normally, yes. The problem is, in Windows' case, there are now people congregated around the individual pieces of shit in the toilet bowl. They rely, quite heavily, on this shits' magical powers in order to get shit done. So, in this case, flushing everything down and restarting clean would also flush down all the people. The toilet would still be there, but its product (the shit), and supporters would be gone.

  - Eddie

You believe that fucking shit because you want to (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22972136)



Some mofo concocts some looney-tunes story and the of-limited-IQ masses at slashdot fall in line like the mindless lemmings they are

Here's one better - Intel is where it is because of a recovered UFO that crashed in 1947
Here's one better - Soylent Green is People
Here's one better - The commies had something there but they were just too drunk to make it happen
Here's one better - The internet is full of smart people ... scamming the of-limited-IQ masses

Re:Breaking API compatibilty...release in 1 year? (4, Informative)

sw155kn1f3 (600118) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972178)

Yesterday article about binary incompatibility was just a troll and some fellow slashdotter already pointed to this:
http://blog.paulbetts.org/index.php/2008/04/04/dear-dev-corvin/ [paulbetts.org]
This is a short answer from MS employee. Can't be more clear, because entire article was complete bullshit.

Re:Breaking API compatibilty...release in 1 year? (1)

Fri13 (963421) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972288)

I would like to see that happend. Everything could be lots of better state if Microsoft would forget all old and unsecure and build new OS without anything else what dont belong to OS like webbrowser and mediaplayers. Then keep it very modular and allow customers to buy only a pure OS and then, if needed, as addons for it like web browser and mediaplayer or even 3D desktop etc. This way those who like to have Firefox or Opera, can install that or OEM can install and sell those machines. And if Microsoft would forget 32bit and move to 64bit only, all applications would be ported to that what really are needed. We dont need applications what were made for MS-DOS series (MS-DOS - WinME) or NT series.

Re:Breaking API compatibilty...release in 1 year? (1)

Computershack (1143409) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972318)

Didn't we just read that they're breaking binary compatibility with Windows XP/Vista in 7? I laud them for doing this, but the idea that a modular, completely-rethought, bloat-free, and binary incompatible Windows is one year away strikes me as nothing short of absurd.
Starting with a completely new OS from the ground up is the only way to avoid WinME/WinVista fiascos. Many of the problems they face are due to the fact people want to run 5 year old shite on the new OS. We even have people bitching because they can't run DOS apps on Vista. I mean come on people FFS - DOS was effectively put to pasture 10 years ago.

Re:Breaking API compatibilty...release in 1 year? (2, Insightful)

Nimey (114278) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972472)

Most likely this "Windows 7" is a marketing name for what's really planned as a 6.1 release (Vista being 6.0).

That or they're lying; Windows 7 being the next major refresh of Windows in maybe five years but they're wanting you to think about the neat cool stuff while they're actually just talking about a point release next year.

Or, since this is Slashdot, it's sensationalism.

What a load of tosh (1)

lsproc (943512) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972018)

Bill Gates said A new version in relation to Vista Vista SP2?

But what is the alternative until then? (2, Interesting)

bdraschk (664148) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972022)

With WinXP Prof EOL this year June, what's the alternative to Vista?
At my last customer job, XP was still the set OS, with no Vista supported or even allowed. For the notebooks they buyed in Germany, the supplier still offered XP, but we had inquiries from South America, where the only OS available was Vista. I wonder what they will do, if the only notebooks available will no longer work with XP due to new hardware and no XP-drivers.

Re:But what is the alternative until then? (1)

what about (730877) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972366)

You ask about alternatives ?, my story

I bought a HP laptop pavilion dv9000, with vista (next time I will buy something with better linux support). I wanted to make the recovery CD, before using it, just to be sure to be able to receover the machine. (You cannot buy a barebone laptop nowdays, not at CDCpoint.it or Esprinet.com)

Vista did not even allow me to make the recovery DVD without agreeing on the EULA, and therefore I ZAPPED everything and installed UBUNTU

I have the usual office programs OpenOffice (now even better than ever) and all my development with Eclipse and Jdeveloper

Do I regret it ? no. If I want eye candy I can have all of it with Ubuntu

Re:But what is the alternative until then? (1)

schklerg (1130369) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972458)

I'm not sure what you mean by XP Pro EOL this year in June. According to http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=3223 [microsoft.com] extended support is to April 2014 and according to http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifesupsps [microsoft.com] XP Pro sp2 is supported until April 2010.

Damnit! Isn't that just like Microsoft? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22972058)

Grrr, those bastards. Oh well, at least I only spent $25 on Vista Pro - thank you university pricing!

BTW, did anyone notice how the phrase "global warming" has quietly been replaced with "climate change?" Kind of like how the Iraq war went from being about finding WMDs to bringing freedom to the Middle East. "Mankind is the major driver behind the Earth's increasing temperature! You still need to allow your supremely wise leaders to impose ever more intrusive energy restrictions on your personal life! Nevermind the unseasonably cool winters and summers! Nevermind the only certainty about climate change is that the climate always changes! Nevermind the fact that the Earth has been both much hotter and much cooler than it is now several times throughout her 4 billion year history!" (Waves hands mysteriously and does Obi Wan impression). I guess if you repeat "the sky is falling" enough times, it becomes a fact in the public sheep's consciousness. I, however, prefer to think about "The Boy Who Cried 'Wolf'" instead of "Chicken Little" when it comes to the global warming alarmists whose real goal is to destroy industry and depopulate the Earth on a massive scale.

Should we stay or should we go now (to Vista)? (4, Interesting)

lancejjj (924211) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972064)

We've been studying Vista at work, and our decision for now (which holds through at least Sepember) is to stick with XP. All the new PCs have Vista installed, and we're downgrading them to XP before deployment to customer's desks. Thank goodness for Microsoft's advancements in deploying XP!

The short story - we certainly don't want 1/3rd XP, 1/3rd Vista, and 1/3rd Win7, and that's what it is looking like when we don our future-hats.

So we decided this week that we'll stay with XP for as long as we can, using the principle that it is less expensive to support XP today, and we have no idea where Vista and Win7 will be. And we'll still have plenty of time to upgrade across the board if MS sticks with their current XP sunset plan.

We'll only start deploying Vista when Microsoft gives us clarity on the Win7 timeline, or when we conclude that Vista support will be less expensive than XP to support, or when we feel that we need to start converting to meet Microsoft's XP retirement plans.

Re:Should we stay or should we go now (to Vista)? (1)

hukado (1268018) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972146)

I just downgraded to XP and am loving it. Since 99% of my time is spent in the browser, I could care less about the OS (and that includes Apple too). XP is lightweight and fast on a laptop, Vista not so much so. There is a post on the longevity of XP on Products [personafile.com]

Re:Should we stay or should we go now (to Vista)? (1)

haifastudent (1267488) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972370)

We'll only start deploying Vista when Microsoft gives us clarity on the Win7 timeline, or when we conclude that Vista support will be less expensive than XP to support, or when we feel that we need to start converting to meet Microsoft's XP retirement plans.
You realize that could be half a decade, right? Give yourself a maximum limit, say, January 2010, then start deploying something else. Mac OS XI, Ubuntu 9.10 LTS, Sun, $whatEverIsBigThen. But don't wait indefinetly on MS, and make it clear now that you do not intend on waiting indefinetly.

Yeah, well, so it will hit the stores... (1)

w4rl5ck (531459) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972072)

approx. in 2011. Peace of cake :)

I eat cum while jacking off infrequently (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22972074)

Though I haven't released from complete orgasm in about a month, I have still masturbated several times in this time and I can confidently say that 10 or 20 mini orgasms in a session far outweigh the pleasure derived from one big one. Is there leakage during this process?

Yes, and I'm sure this grosses most people out who have never tried it but I usually eat it.

You think that's gross? Here's gross: you pumping a load of your vitality out into a kleenex and flushing it down the toilet where your swiftly dying sperm commence with attempting to fertilize lumps of shit and other horrid refuse in a pipe somewhere you'll never see. Think about that before you knock my method.

Won't someone please think of the customers!? (1, Insightful)

damburger (981828) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972100)

If you are a windows who^H^H^Huser then this is unlikely to be great news:

1. You've stuck with XP, and windows 7 is just an incremental upgrade of that - you end up paying hundreds for what amounts to a service pack and a polish of the UI

2. You've gone to Vista, and windows 7 is just an incremental upgrade of that. Same as above. Really fucking expensive service pack for an already expensive OS

3. You've gone to Vista, but windows 7 is basically just XP. Thankyou for your generous contribution to the Bill Gates worlds-first-trillionaire fund. Carrying on using the same operating system as you did before.

This is only (partly) good if you stuck with XP, and Windows 7 is based on Vista. Logically this is a strong reason not to buy Vista at all, as if you needed one more.

Microsoft to RIAA/MPAA (1, Insightful)

Nomen Publicus (1150725) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972102)

Look you guys, we built an operating system with your crappy DRM ideas built in and guess what? It didn't work too well. The entire point of a computer is to copy data accurately and as soon as you mess with that, you get a crappy result. It's not so much "garbage in, garbage out" as "quality in, garbage out".

So, Vista didn't work too well and it's your fault. The RIAA and MPAA can take DRM and shove it where the sun don't shine. Microsoft is now a born again anti-DRM company and there is nothing you can do because we've got more money than you.

Now I must go because there's a conference call with some BSD kernel hackers I want to take.

Well, a guy can hope, can't he?

Windows 7 overlords (2, Funny)

sw155kn1f3 (600118) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972152)

Dear Zo^H^HBill,

We're trying as fast as we can to reach that Earth planet we were talking about recently, but our board computer we upgraded to Windows Vista, crashed several times, which resulted our ship to be put for few years on Uranus orbit, so we won't be able to reach that Earth planet before the what earthlings call year 2011.

Thanks for understanding,
Forever yours,
Windows 7 overlords.

A fat, fish-hook-studded dildo for your ass!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22972206)

Now commence with the old in-out-in-out...

Please stop quoting UPENN on "wait and see" (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22972156)

Thanks for woefully misrepresenting the nature of Penn's "wait and see" suggestion regarding Vista SP1. Penn's IT org gives that advice regarding virtually every major OS update published by any vendor. In fact, Mac OS 10.5 is was also "wait and see"'d on first release for the exact same reasons. http://www.upenn.edu/computing/provider/docs/originalmacos105provider.html [upenn.edu]

What does this have to do with Galactica!! (0)

tjstork (137384) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972160)


People are posting articles on Slashdot, as if nothing has happened. News about a potential new Windows version .. yawn. Galactica reappeared finally last night, almost as mystically as the Cylons in Baltar's head, and it was some episode.

But, I guess a science and technology web site doesn't have room for one of the most noted SCI FI shows any more....

Rumors and speculation of a pre-vaporware Windows Release might be something, but really, isn't Galactica cooler?

Vista? No way! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22972162)

I am still waiting for a wave, big enough to wash away microsoft with it's ill ******* and chairthrowing Ballmer. Then we may be free to build a better world with free software.

Too little, too late (2, Interesting)

Stu101 (1031686) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972196)

It has been said before, but this has cost them dear.

Our company (50 Mill turnover a year) used to be completely Microsoft all the way, including eOpen Office licenses etc and no Linux servers. Now we have rolled out a lot of linux backroom machines. Not because of cost, just because MS is becoming harder and harder to work with. Add to that the fact that i've become a very big supporter of OSS and the ethics of OSS.

Our next decision is not "do we upgrade to Vista +1" but "Which business linux distro best suits our requirements.

Re:Too little, too late (1)

MonoSynth (323007) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972388)

They lost your company, but to prevent further damage, they *have* to release a new (business desktop) OS within a year and a half from now. All those "complete rewrite to fix the mess" ideas are great, but they take five years to develop and five more years to iron out before it becomes a really stable working product. Enough time for Apple and Linux to take over a lot of the market.

I think Windows 7 will be XP + some extra stuff. A bit more extra stuff than a service pack, but not a lot. Maybe some better administration tools and some features to fit it on (ultra)portables with their limited speed, storage and screens.

Ruins my theory. . . (1)

DKlineburg (1074921) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972224)

Well this ruins my theory I had running for windows. Orginaly I was saying that every other operating systems was the next advancment.
Bad:
95, ME, Vista
Good:
98, XP, 7

I know I have left out operating systems, but I'm basing on more average home use types. I loved windows 2000, so you can still add comments about that if you want. I always figured it was a dead ploy to get you to overly buy the next one. If I think and compair ME to Vista, both seam overly graphicly inclined, and bloated to me. I look at 95, well unfortently it was a large leap of faith. I don't fault them to much for that one, as it was a completly diffrent idea for MS at the time. 98 streamlined 95, although proved bad because of continued hacking. SE made 98 rejuvinated, but don't consider new OS. XP IMHO has been best advancment for the whole OS line.

Feel free to disagree now.

Re:Ruins my theory. . . (1)

haifastudent (1267488) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972338)

Feel free to disagree now.
I disag... wait, you're right! Looks like Fedora got the idea from MS.

OT: This new discussion system is a pain. CBN, you hear me? If making a correction to a form after previewing means that I have to wait a full minute before I can resubmit it, then I'll just leave it fucked up. Forced preview or no, I'll post the junk to just not wait a minute. That's like, a week in Internet time, no?

Re:Ruins my theory. . . (1)

Computershack (1143409) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972350)

Good: 98, XP, 7 Feel free to disagree now.
Windows 98 sucked dead donkeys dick which is why Win98SE came about.

There is no XP. (1)

argent (18001) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972380)

XP IMHO has been best advancment for the whole OS line.


XP is just Windows 2000 with eye candy, some extra bundled components and drivers, and restrictive DRM.

Virtually the same kernel, same libraries, and once you bypass the annoying "wizards" the same applications and utilities. It doesn't even have a real name, "XP" is an emoticon for "ewww, that's nasty". They must have taken both pills, and washed them down with a big dose of clippy.

Do not try to find Windows XP; that's impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth. There is no XP. Then you'll see, that it is not the XP that exists, it is only yourself.

It's official (0, Flamebait)

Chris Mattern (191822) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972244)

Vista is a failure. Gates is shooting it like a lame horse to try and convince people not to switch to Linux.

New distribution method for new OS (5, Funny)

zmollusc (763634) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972246)

What is more remarkable than the new version of windows that will be delivered next year is that it will be distributed NOT by boxes of CDs on shop shelves, NOT by pre-installation on hard disks of new machines and NOT EVEN by microsoft update. It will be hand delivered by monkeys flying out of my butt.

What's wrong with Vista? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22972266)

I wonder what's wrong with Vista that Microsoft already is already talking about the next version. Shouldn't they try to stick with Vista an improve it so that people in the end like it?

Re:What's wrong with Vista? (1)

Computershack (1143409) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972382)

I wonder what's wrong with Vista that Microsoft already is already talking about the next version.
Nothing other than whinging bastards complaining because their old shite doesn't run on the new stuff and they might have to spend a few quid on upgrades. They also complained about security in XP and MS tried to address it which is why their old shite doesn't work in Vista and some exploits exist in Vista which shouldn't have.

One thing I will say about the Linux mob is that despite their protestations that Linux is better than Windows 'cos it runs on older hardware', they seem less reluctant to upgrade their kit to run newer versions. For example, try running Gnome 2.x or KDE 3.x on 256MB RAM and it's not pretty. Most Linux users will just jam in another 256MB and get on with it whereas Windows users will bitch and whine about having to pay £10 for a new DIMM.

No respect for their Vista customers... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22972284)

What a great way to make those of us who drank the Vista koolaid feel even better about our purchase: Microsoft MUST be committed to fixing Vista, I mean it's not like they're making noises about Windows 7 already, right?

My laptop came with Vista; I paid the extra for Ultimate. Now I wish I could trade the whole thing for XP; I keep eying the install disk from my older computer hungrily.

Bill will still be around? (1)

haifastudent (1267488) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972286)

...Bill Gates has announced "Sometime in the next year or so we will have a new version", referring to Windows 7...
Will Bill still be part of "we" in the next year of so? Isn't he stepping down? As much as I respect Bill Gates, I do not respect Microsoft, and I'm sure that I'm not the only one who doubt's the company's ability to get a product out the door on time.

Vaporware (1)

Nimey (114278) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972330)

*Maybe* they'll pull it off, but this is Microsoft and this is a Microsoft operating system. It's pretty much guaranteed to be late.

I agree with other posters who say this is another marketing ploy to keep businesses interested in Windows despite the Vista fiasco.

For our part we're going to get new computers with XP for as long as possible (so convenient that 30 June is the end of our fiscal year) and maybe re-image with XP after that, as long as there's drivers available.

The name of windows seven is okay after re-thinkit (1)

zukinux (1094199) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972340)

Versions in different Windows OS over the years(not before 2000):

Windows 2000 = 5.0

Windows XP = 5.1

Windows 2003 = 5.2

Windows Vista= 6.0

Windows 7 = 7.0(?)


Just a stuff to think about it :)

did I lose count? Windows "7" ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22972358)

Okay, I stoppped buying Microsoft products in 1996 at Windows 95.

How does their version count work?

Windows 3.1 = Windows 3.x
Windows 95 = Windows 4.x?
Windows 98 = Windows 4.x? 5.x?
Windows ME = Windows 4.x? 6.x?
Windows NT = Windows 4.x? 7.x?
Did I miss any?
Windows XP = Windows 5.x? 8.x?
Windows Vista = Windows 6.x? 9.x?
Windows 7? = Windows X?

I know Microsoft doesn't want anyone to know they've
been ripping-off Macs for their interface, but "7"?
I think it should be MS-Windows X. Maybe they could
code name it after a snake, instead of a large feline?

Heheheheh.

Re:did I lose count? Windows "7" ? (1)

kazade84 (1078337) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972456)

Okay, I stoppped buying Microsoft products in 1996 at Windows 95.

How does their version count work?

Windows 3.1 = Windows 3.x
Windows 95 = Windows 4.x?
Windows 98 = Windows 4.x? 5.x?
Windows ME = Windows 4.x? 6.x?
Windows NT = Windows 4.x? 7.x?
Did I miss any?
Windows XP = Windows 5.x? 8.x?
Windows Vista = Windows 6.x? 9.x?
Windows 7? = Windows X?
My guess is that they are counting NT as a server OS not a desktop OS, in which case Windows 7 is the 7th desktop version going by your list.

Microsoft has no innovation (1)

aloktherocker (1233588) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972386)

The real problem now is that instead of any new ideas,Microsoft has entered entirely into cheap tricks of politics. I don't understand why they just cant make a real quality product,even though they always absorb the best talent from colleges! I hope the organizations(and most of the world) will soon or later realize this and switch over to *nix platforms.

Windows Vista, the new ME (3, Interesting)

Kostya (1146) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972392)

Wow. I guess we can just count Vista as stillborn at this point. Oh sure, there's no way 7 will be out next year (try late 2009, most likely late 2010). But Gates announcing 7 that quickly, it's like he was trying to put a stake through Vista's heart.

Hopefully they had a lot of reusable concepts and code that they can leverage. Otherwise, that's an awful waste of code and effort.

I bet that Windows 7... (1)

dogganos (901230) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972434)

will be AWESOME!

Longhorn next year! (5, Insightful)

Groggnrath (1089073) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972460)

This is simply the way MS operates. Windows 7 will be due out next year, for the next 3 years.

It'll be right around the corner, or almost to Beta for at least 2 years, only to have the whole thing scrapped because it's too hard to program anything not NT based.

They'll fail agian if they don't change! (1)

Doug52392 (1094585) | more than 6 years ago | (#22972482)

It seems that over the past 5 years, Microsoft has put $$$ over the quailty or productovity of their products. Just look at Vista. They divided it into 6 damn versions, all of which SUCK! If m$ ever wants to succeeded, they had better smarten up and make sure the quality of the OS is first!

And I won't be buying no damn Windows 7!
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