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Charlton Heston's Impact On Sci-Fi

Zonk posted more than 6 years ago | from the damn-dirty-apes-wouldn't-keep-their-paws-off dept.

Sci-Fi 531

An anonymous reader writes "As you're probably already aware, Charlton Heston passed away yesterday. Wired has a piece looking back at Heston's extremely notable work in the sci-fi genre, with roles in films like "Planet of the Apes" and "Soylent Green". 'Heston also roared out some of sci-fi's greatest and most memorable lines, bringing his macho swagger and over-the-top intensity to the screen in movies like 1973's food freak-out flick Soylent Green and the Planet of the Apes series. In a pivotal scene from 1968's Planet of the Apes (see clip), Heston's character, time-traveling astronaut George Taylor, utters the first words spoken by a human to the simian rulers of a bizarro future Earth: "Take your stinking paws off me, you damn dirty ape!'"

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Yeah, Heston! (4, Insightful)

morari (1080535) | more than 6 years ago | (#22983492)

It's hard to get much better than Planet of the Apes (even the sequels were decent). Heston was decidedly great even in his Biblical films though, such as the Ten Commandments and Ben Hur.

Re:Yeah, Heston! (5, Informative)

Alan Partridge (516639) | more than 6 years ago | (#22983532)

Yep, he was great. Let's not forget the chilling Omega Man, either - one of my all time faves.

Re:Yeah, Heston! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22983682)

I am glad that dog fucking fag is dead.

Re:Yeah, Heston! (4, Funny)

Vectronic (1221470) | more than 6 years ago | (#22984096)

I searched and searched, and I just could not find the movie where he played the "Dog Fucking Fag"...

If you are so Anti-Heston, you could at least explain why you are... such, you are Pro-Gun Control, or Anti-Biblical Stories, or something...

But, i'll assume that when you die, many people will spout off... "I am glad that anonymous fucking coward is dead"

Re:Yeah, Heston! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22984484)

Heston molested my brother and my brothers father. Justice has been serviced.

Re:Yeah, Heston! (1)

morari (1080535) | more than 6 years ago | (#22983714)

While a decent film in its own right, I prefer The Last Man on Earth as far as I Am Legend adaptations go. I'm kind of a Vincent Price fanboy anyway. :P

Re:Yeah, Heston! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22983928)

another dog fucking fag...

Re:Yeah, Heston! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22984060)

Tucker bursts out of the elevator, looking around frantically. He sprints to the empty front desk. The clock behind the desk reads 4am. He hits the bell furiously for an obnoxiously long time until the sleeping clerk comes out.

TUCKER: Is there a bathroom down here?

FRONT DESK CLERK: Back corner of the lobby.

Tucker takes off. He turns the corner from the front desk and immediately realizes his mistake.

TUCKER: Which corner???

He spots a white door at one end of the lobby and quickly waddles to it as he holds his butt cheeks together. Tucker bursts through the door.


It's a janitor's closet.

TUCKER: Where is the bathroom!?
JANITOR: Que? No, no habloingles!

JANITOR (pointing across the lobby) Alla! Alla!

Sixty yards across from the janitor's closet, a large "RESTROOM" sign hangs above a door. Tucker breaks into a dead sprint. Twenty yards into the run his boxers start to sag. Thirty yards and his ass crack and legs get noticeably wet. Forty yards and his boxers have slid down to mid-thigh. Ten yards from the door and the brown, viscous liquid is all over him. Little specks hit the back of
his head and ears as he runs.

As he bursts into the restroom, he's completely shithimself. He steps out of his pink boxers, shitpuddle in the seat, and flings them blindly as he breaks into the first stall. He plops down on the seat and immediately slides off. His ass is covered in slimy, runny feces and spouts black, viscous human waste. Tucker flushes the full toilet and it overflows. He moves to the next stall until he finishes--exhausted, dehydrated, and tearing up from the exertion.

There's no toilet paper. Tucker takes off his shirt but discovers it's covered in little specks of shit.The large vanity mirror has a thick black streak from the ceiling down to the countertopwhere his boxers are crumpled in a ball. Naked and covered in speckles of his own poop, Tucker opens the bathroom to the lobby.

TUCKER: Who else on this earth could be having a worse night than me?

Laid out before him is a trail of his own feces. It starts wide at his feet and gets smaller until it apexes at the clunky white shoes of the small Mexican janitor.

TUCKER: Sorry. I mean, uh, lo siento.

Tucker walks defeated toward the elevators. The Lady Janitor is sobbing hysterically. Through the glass of the elevator, Tucker can see why she's crying. He sprayed shitover everything: the couches, the walls, the plants, everything.

TUCKER: God, I hope they serve beer in hell. 98.

Re:Yeah, Heston! (4, Insightful)

tverbeek (457094) | more than 6 years ago | (#22983794)

Regardless of whether you consider "The Ten Commandments" a sci-fi/fantasy film or not, it certainly had an impact on special effects for the genre.

Re:Yeah, Heston! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22984020)

another dog fucking fag.....

Re:Yeah, Heston! (2, Insightful)

OmegaWolf747 (1131345) | more than 6 years ago | (#22984026)

Heston will be missed. He was one of the Hollywood greats.

Re:Yeah, Heston! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22984284)

great dog fucking fag....

Re:Yeah, Heston! (-1, Flamebait)

rtb61 (674572) | more than 6 years ago | (#22984412)

Why celebrate the marionettes, the puppets, surely the writers, directors, camera men, set designers , costume designers etc. all have far more to do with telling the story. Being a really skilled liar ie. being able to present a completely false impression of your emotional state, thoughts and intents, and remebering a few lines is not really all that much of a big deal.

Surely you do realise, that all the hype, mass media bull shit and the created PR image, is all to do with selling the content the actors are in, or the crap products they are trying to sell, rather than any real redeeming values of the person as an individual.

Let's not forget (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22983494)

He also fought for our rights to carry phasers and other types of disintegrator rays.

Re:Let's not forget (2, Funny)

Duhavid (677874) | more than 6 years ago | (#22983914)

Now, now, you are getting into interpreting the constitution there. Guns was all they had back then, so that is all you can have now.

turd burgler (-1, Troll)

trouser (149900) | more than 6 years ago | (#22983500)


RIP (4, Insightful)

ArcadeX (866171) | more than 6 years ago | (#22983512)

I can't think of a single person in hollywood today who's voice alone has his presence. Even hearing him read cop killer was something.

Re:RIP (5, Interesting)

joeytsai (49613) | more than 6 years ago | (#22983824)

Speaking of which, his speech at Harvard Law is one of my favorite modern speeches: []

Re:RIP (1)

sdhoigt (1095451) | more than 6 years ago | (#22984360)

Awesome. Thanks for passing on the link for that speech. That gave me a fresh, new impression of that man and brought out a lot of thoughts that had been lurking in my sub conscious for years and years.


Re:RIP (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22983998)

I can't think why you used the contraction for "who is" in your post. Why? I can't make head or tails of your post. How come geeks who can memorize volumes of arcane, trivial and useless knowledge about twenty different linux releases can't keep simple grammar in their tiny minds?

Re:RIP (1)

TapeCutter (624760) | more than 6 years ago | (#22984356)

Morgan Freeman, but yeah they are few and far between.

He was legend (4, Insightful)

CRCulver (715279) | more than 6 years ago | (#22983522)

Out of all the adaptations of Matheson's novel I am Legend [] , Heston's The Omega Man was probably the most entertaining. It certainly stands tall above the dreck Will Smith starred in last year.

Re:He was legend (4, Interesting)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 6 years ago | (#22983652)

Out of all the adaptations of Matheson's novel I am Legend , Heston's The Omega Man was probably the most entertaining. It certainly stands tall above the dreck Will Smith starred in last year.

I think it depends on which aspects of each of those movies you're talking about. As far as the performance of the main character, I think Will Smith turned in a vastly superior performance than Heston (no slight on Heston - I doubt any of Will Smith's work (to date) will stand the test of time that Heston's has). There was no scarier moment in the Heston version that was anywhere near as scary as when Smith goes in the dark building to get his dog. Certainly the special effects of an abandoned New York were nowhere up to the Smith version. The bad guys in the Heston movie were far more effective, I thought, than in the Smith version, though. And both fall down rather badly on the ending, neither of which makes the title of the original story (I Am Legend) make any sense - even in the alternate ending for the Smith movie. I don't know why it's so hard for the filmmakers to understand the title, or why they need to change it, considering noone has yet to make a movie of that story WITH the original ending.

Re:He was legend (1)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 6 years ago | (#22984350)

The Invasion with Nicole Kidman does that ending justice.

Re:He was legend (4, Interesting)

Chris Mattern (191822) | more than 6 years ago | (#22984466)

The original ending is the zombies win. No producer in Hollywood will ever shoot an ending like that.

Re:He was legend (1)

grassy_knoll (412409) | more than 6 years ago | (#22984252)

On that note, I hope Heston is enjoying his honky paradise.

Psst... if you don't get it, watch Omega Man.

Republicans (1, Funny)

deft (253558) | more than 6 years ago | (#22983534)

Would also likely point out his work in Michael Moore sci-fi films.

Damn, I'm totally independant, but I wish I was republican for a moment, if for nothing else but to throw out that zinger.

Oblig. (5, Funny)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 6 years ago | (#22983540)

*Pries the musket from his cold, dead hands [] *

Re:Oblig. (2, Funny)

AaxelB (1034884) | more than 6 years ago | (#22983598)

Damn you! I was just looking for somewhere to post this [] and be witty.

In the "Planet of the Apes" remake (3, Interesting)

dominique_cimafranca (978645) | more than 6 years ago | (#22983828)

It was the height of irony when Charlton Heston appeared as an ape in the "Planet of the Apes" remake...and gave an anti-gun speech.

Re:Oblig. (1)

stuff and such (980278) | more than 6 years ago | (#22984080)

You know when I heard about this on the news I wondered "is it too early for the cold dead hands joke?", apparently not.

Re:Oblig. (5, Insightful)

Pseudonym (62607) | more than 6 years ago | (#22984344)

When Alec Guinness died, we said that he's become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.

When Douglas Adams died, we said that he's no doubt spending a year dead for tax reasons.

When Arthur C. Clarke died, we said that he's probably been reincarnated as a large orbiting fetus.

When Gary Gygax died, we said that he's lost his last saving throw.

No, it's never too early, especially if the deceased would have appreciated the joke. When Terry Gilliam dies, you bet we're going to say: "Well you're dead now, so shut up." When Neal Stephenson dies, you bet we're going to comment about how the ending was a bit abrupt.

Re:Oblig. (1)

martin-boundary (547041) | more than 6 years ago | (#22984246)

And what if he later changes his mind?

Most famous quote. (3, Funny)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 6 years ago | (#22983542)

Read the journal entry, and the first comment. I don't want to take any credit away from plover [] ... []

...and the originator of "you can have ... when you pry it from my cold, dead hands".
I call shotgun!

Because apparently we CAN pry it from his cold, dead hands.

Re:Most famous quote. (-1, Troll)

mariushm (1022195) | more than 6 years ago | (#22983588)

I heard a lot about this guy and appreciated his acting especially when I noticed he was the actor in Soylent Green. However, when I heard he was involved with the gun association, it disappointed me and lowered him in my eyes. He may have been a great actor but I just don't share his thinking on such matters like gun control.

Re:Most famous quote. (4, Insightful)

Hawthorne01 (575586) | more than 6 years ago | (#22983732)

He also was associated with the civil rights movement long before it became the fashionable thing to do in Hollywood.

Heston saw no difference between campaign for personal freedom and the means to defend those freedoms.

I can just imagine him going up to Moses and saying "Well, what did you think? Did I do you justice?" :)

Re:Most famous quote. (5, Interesting)

SargentDU (1161355) | more than 6 years ago | (#22983760)

But letting citizens defend themselves against people who have the guns anyway (Law or no law) just makes sense. He was right with the gun control issue as he was when he marched with MLK in the day.

Re:Most famous quote. (2, Insightful)

z-thoughts (716174) | more than 6 years ago | (#22983784)

I really don't get people that are into 'gun control', as in taking all guns away from law abiding citizens. Then the only people left with guns, other than government types, is the criminals that no longer have to fear their victims being able to fight back. Look into how well this has worked out in Australia. They banned guns a year ago, and since then, armed robbery is up something like 146% with all other gun related crimes up at a similar rate. Yeah, taking guns away from the law abiding works really well. NOT!

Re:Most famous quote. (3, Informative)

GaryPatterson (852699) | more than 6 years ago | (#22983872)

Here in Australia the previous government banned the sale of guns back in 1997 (I think) after a particularly atrocious massacre in Port Arthur, Tasmania.

Armed robbery, along with most other forms of violent crime, is down across the nation. That's not likely due to the ban in guns though, as criminals are going to step outside the ban anyway.

What has decreased are the number of fatal accidents in homes, and we've since had very few instances of some bozo kid picking up a gun and shooting people at school.

But since you're providing data, can you point out where you got it? It conflicts with everything I've heard here.

Re:Most famous quote. (1)

Oldav (533444) | more than 6 years ago | (#22984152)

As a matter of fact the poster above is totally wrong, in Australia there has been no increase in armed robbery as claimed. I for one have never seen a gun drawn in public, nor a have I known anyone who carries a concealed weapon. Fact is though the US cant get it thru their heads that if criminals expect victims to be armed they will arm themselves, not the other way around. The ban was about in 1997. Why let the facts spoil a good story eh.Lets face it the US is a society based on and in love with violence, so wont ever have a civilsed gun controlled society. Just plenty of schoolkids shooting their classmates.

Re:Most famous quote. (2, Insightful)

Clay Pigeon -TPF-VS- (624050) | more than 6 years ago | (#22984332)

This entire Australia thread is [citation needed].

Re:Most famous quote. (2)

1u3hr (530656) | more than 6 years ago | (#22984178)

Australia. They banned guns a year ago, and since then, armed robbery is up something like 146%

Prove it. Source for this?

I doubt you do, since guns aren't banned in Australia. Rules were tightened up considerably about 10 years ago (not "a year ago").

Most likely the little unsourced factoids that gun nuts copy and paste from each other without bothering to verify. When you do look into them, invariably they're vastly exaggerated or just made up.

Re:Most famous quote. (1)

Belial6 (794905) | more than 6 years ago | (#22984290)

Let me explain it then. I recently had a conversation with an anti-gun woman. It was very civil, so no over the top rhetoric. When asked what she would do if someone broke into her home to rape and murder her and her children, her response was simply, and genuinely: "I've decided that that won't happen to me." When that was followed up with a "What?" She explained that people decide to have those thing done to them, and that she has chosen not to be raped and murdered.

Anti-gun types actually believe that guns have magical powers to make people commit crimes, so if guns are taken away from a SOME of people, that will somehow magically stop crime.

One thing that always strikes me as bizarre, stupid, whatever. Is people like my neighbor who has 3 huge dogs. Specifically states that she feels safer having them because she lives alone, but thinks that guns are evil.

Re:Most famous quote. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22984230)

armed = citizen

unarmed = subject

It's so simple. What do you not understand?

But I do feel better knowing idiots like you aren't carrying guns.

Re:Most famous quote. (4, Insightful)

Zak3056 (69287) | more than 6 years ago | (#22984342)

However, when I heard he was involved with the gun association, it disappointed me and lowered him in my eyes. He may have been a great actor but I just don't share his thinking on such matters like gun control.

When you look at his life in its entirety, it makes perfect sense. What it comes down to is that Charlton Heston became involved with the NRA for the same reason that he marched with Dr. Martin Luther King--to him, it was a civil rights issue.

You can debate the right and wrong of the American right to keep and bear arms until the cows come home, but like it or not, the men who founded our nation had certain beliefs about what constituted the natural rights of men. They wrote some of these rights into our Constitution: free speech, a free press, freedom of religion, the right to be secure from intrusive government searches, the right to a trial by a jury of your peers, the right to bear arms, and more. Heston was a man who believed in those rights, and was willing to lend his fame to various causes in support of them. That's really all there is to it.

So, feel free to think less of him for it (I'm sure that while he disagreed with what you had to say, he would have defended to the death your right to say it) but while you're doing so, also think about the notion that if you start to pick and choose what rights you think people ought to have, and try to redefine those rights out of existence, then someone else later will have an easier time of stripping the citizenry of the rights that YOU yourself hold dear. One need look no further than the current occupant of the white house to see such a process in action.

Re:Most famous quote. (1)

Ungrounded Lightning (62228) | more than 6 years ago | (#22984428)

Gunnies were using that line for decades before Heston became head of the NRA. He just did it well enough and publicly enough that the media finally noticed - and then credited him with originating it.

However it would be particularly poetic if he were to be buried holding that particular gun in his "cold, dead hands". (I can just imagine him guffawing at the idea.)

Bite marks in the scenery (5, Interesting)

rubies (962985) | more than 6 years ago | (#22983586)

Heston seemed like he was an eternal presence. From watching the 10 commandments on TV as a kid, then seeming The Omega Man late one night when I was about 12 (back when broadcast TV used to show movies late at night). That eye rolling dialog delivery, jutting jaw, big flashing teeth and the fact they he couldn't keep his shirt on for more than the first 10 minutes of any film made him an icon.

Then again, you see him in the Orson Welles film "Touch of Evil" to see he could underplay it when he wanted to, he just chose not to. In honour of Chuck, I think The Omega Man is due a screening in my house this evening.

Hey this is pretty neat (0)

Charlton Heston (588481) | more than 6 years ago | (#22983600)

I'm dead! I'm dead! And I still got my gunz you dirty apes! Cold dead fingers in your EYE!

penis (0, Troll)

notoriousE (723905) | more than 6 years ago | (#22983646)

I'll never forget the wisdom his penis gave us all on The Man Show

When he was alive.. (0, Troll)

retech (1228598) | more than 6 years ago | (#22983654)

I always thought it'd be great to be his care nurse, dress up in an ape suit and bring a fire hose in one day and give him a spray. When he started yelling at me I'd hoot and jump up on the dresser and shout: "He speaks, bright eyes speaks!"

Some may find that twisted... but others would just say: "he finally did it. Damn him all to hell."

The Line That Almost Was (2, Funny)

Skeetskeetskeet (906997) | more than 6 years ago | (#22983704)

"Get your stinking ankh off me you damn dirty Pharaoh!!!"

Re:The Line That Almost Was (1)

Mr Pippin (659094) | more than 6 years ago | (#22983754)

Hmmm, that counts for two of his films.

Finally... (-1, Flamebait)

Eth1csGrad1ent (1175557) | more than 6 years ago | (#22983730)

Normally I wouldn't comment on such a sad occasion but for Charlton Heston I make an exception. Cold, Dead Hands ??? - Finally. One less extremist in the world. No RIP, I hope he turns in his grave.

Re:Finally... (5, Informative)

ArcherB (796902) | more than 6 years ago | (#22983800)

Normally I wouldn't comment on such a sad occasion but for Charlton Heston I make an exception. Cold, Dead Hands ??? - Finally. One less extremist in the world. No RIP, I hope he turns in his grave.
You call someone who marched with Martin Luther King and stands up for the Constitution and the Bill of Rights an extremist?

I'm not going to say what I hope happens to your grave!

Re:Finally... (1, Insightful)

Eth1csGrad1ent (1175557) | more than 6 years ago | (#22983934)

Mod me down... I dont care. And no, my views are not based on Michael Moore. To be honest, when it comes to gun control, most of the rest of the western world looks at the US in amazement - and I think the stats would back me up. Islamic extremists, Christian Right extremists, anti-abortion extremists, NRA extremists, Intelligent Design extremists - they're all the same to me. No informed debate, no sense of reason - you either agree with their view of the world or you're an enemy to the cause and they WILL shut you down - some more in extreme ways than others. Above all else - he was the head of the NRA - to the rest of the civilised world he was an extremist.

Re:Finally... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22984064)

you either agree with their view of the world or you're an enemy to the cause and they WILL shut you down

Yes, that would explain why you and all your screechbot buddies are in mass graves.

Oh, wait: you're not.

You don't even believe your own bullshit, son. If you did, you wouldn't be screeching on the web. You'd be hiding in your closet, pissing yourself every time you heard a knock on the door.

Re:Finally... (4, Insightful)

Hartree (191324) | more than 6 years ago | (#22984066)

Oh, I wouldn't mod you down. Everyone's entitled to an opinion, no matter how silly.

I think you'll find a lot of actors with kinda bizarro political views on all sides of the spectrum. And a good number of them are quite politically active.

I'm old enough to remember some people saying such sentiments about John Wayne when he died. I'm sure some people on the other side of the political spectrum will say similar things about Jane Fonda, or Streisand when they die.

In short: They're pooterheads.

These are actors. Yes, they've been politically active. Lots of people are. But unlike Reagan or Schwarzenegger they've not run for political office.

Yes, you may disagree with them. But, Isn't singing and strumming happy tunes to their death a bit much?

To blatantly steal a quote from Sergeant Hulka in Stripes "Lighten up, Francis."

Re:Finally... (4, Insightful)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 6 years ago | (#22984122)

NRA extremists

How do you define an 'NRA Extremist'? Is it anybody who believes the citizenry should be able to defend itself from a tyrannical government? Is it the kind of person who is 840 times less likely [] to commit gun crime than the general population?

Re:Finally... (3, Insightful)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 6 years ago | (#22984156)

The appellation "extremist" has little meaning nowadays. It is used primarily to smear those who hold unpopular beliefs ("Oh, you don't think like the rest of us? YOU MUST BE AN EXTREMIST!") rather than being reserved for those who truly do advocate extreme positions.

Re:Finally... (1)

Eth1csGrad1ent (1175557) | more than 6 years ago | (#22984186)

...and you think owning a gun is going to allow you to defend yourself against the US military ? This is the attitude I find bizarre. FWIW, I'm not an American - we dont have the gun problem that you have in the US - so perhaps thats why arguments like this make NO SENSE to me. A bigger, and just as unlikely scenario is not you defending yourself against the government, but the government defending itself against its own military. You aren't in the picture at all - and yet THIS is the justification for arming the entire nation against itself.

no one is stopping you... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22984448)

...from being a disarmed potential victim, go right ahead. Be an extreme victim to prove your point. All societies have criminals and "badguys". Ours allows us to be protected from them using protection tools. And it is really that simple. Most places don't, they like their serfs docile, so you wind up with only professional predators and governmental predators having the tools.

I think that is extremely nuts.

    The US is totally different in design from every other nation out there, all of them, even the other "western" nations, and this is why most of those folks just "don't get it"..

  It starts with the premise that the individual is the sovereign, is "free", and government comes from the collection of individuals allowing this government to do a few things, and government is only supposed to have a limited set of powers.

  It is/was the first true bottom up approach to government. All other governments are designed with the top down model (most western nations were or might still be at least quasi "royal" in structure, ours started out that way and then they fought against it and won), that government is supreme and their serfs..err I mean citizens..are graciously allowed a few permissions to do this or that. You have no inherit rights, just a few permissions.

    The US is different (in theory and in peril daily, constantly), we have all the rights, and allow the government just a few. (again, theory).

  I'll clarify further, the constitution we have does NOT grant us any rights, we are all born with them, all of them, and ownership of the tools for self preservation, some thing all species have an instinct for, is part of those rights. Some creatures use fangs or talons for defence, or great speed, or the ability to camouflage to hide, and so on, all humans have is a brain and opposable thumbs, so we developed tools.


I know which model I think is better for our kind of creature. You are free to decide otherwise. I'll take freedom with all my rights intact over temporary or illusionary "security" from some royal government or parliament any time. Sorry if a lot of the people in other nations just cannot seem to grok this, but I bet it is because they are brainwashed since birth that your state has all the power and that it "grants" you certain limited liberties. In other words, you-as an extremist proponent from your POV-- might be extremely civilized, but you are still extremely a slave, chained in your mind.

Is the US of today perfect, or even originally? Nope. No it is not and was not, for instance way back then folks of color from places like Africa or native Americans were not considered human beings. A serious contradiction, well recognized now and corrected. along with a host of other issues.

    Our theory though, that men are born free and with certain inalienable rights, was and is and shall always probably be an extremist position-compared to the governmental designs and policies elsewhere. So be it and stuff. It's a continual work in progress. Yep, some nutcases out there, and last I looked, no one nation has an exclusive vendor lock in on them either.

    That we have apparently developed an hereditary class of so called professional career leaders in this nation...that function as olde tyme "rulers"...well, that needs to be worked on more as well. And it certainly won't get any better if people accept even less freedoms and even more infringements on our born-with rights, like they do elsewheres.

The best all peoples can do is show by example, and if there are bad guys..the only example is not to be a bad guy yourself. As a sovereign human, I take no responsibility for what others do, and reject any notion of collective guilt by association. Collective guilt aspersions are an extreme case of demonization efforts meant to belittle the true worth of individuals and individual actions, and always lead to problems.

So ....who is the extremist again? CH was-for freedom. Not a bad idea. Others are extremists for..something else.

Re:Finally... (5, Informative)

Martin Blank (154261) | more than 6 years ago | (#22983806)

Extremist? Not really. Sure, he was against gun control in most forms, but he was also pro-union and pro-civil rights. He was not the right-wing nut that some people claim him to be.

One of my favorite stories from him was when, during the Rodney King riots, one or more fellow actors (he would not name them) called and asked if they could borrow one of his guns. He said, no, you can't, but you're welcome to come over to my place until things settle down.

Re:Finally... (4, Funny)

urcreepyneighbor (1171755) | more than 6 years ago | (#22983906)

He was not the right-wing nut that some people claim him to be.
Ssh! The truth isn't convenient! ;)

Re:Finally... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22983922)

We'll need those guns to protect ourselves from the fasci^H^H^H^H^Hprogressives one day.

Re:Finally... (1)

neomunk (913773) | more than 6 years ago | (#22984120)

Your equating fascism, the authoritarian combination of corporation and state, with progressivism? If you want to go with an authoritarian dig at the left, use the correct foolish analogy: communist.

The ones on the right who think that not wanting to kill innocent civilians (because the President thinks it'll be fun) is 'supporting the tur'rists' are the fascists.

Not this arguement again. (4, Insightful)

HornWumpus (783565) | more than 6 years ago | (#22984282)

Define fascism any why you will anyhow.

But history tells a different story. It was in both Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy a combination of state and corporation. Corporations did what the state told them to or were taken over outright. Fascist were more then socialists in name. State takes over corporations in fascism as in all forms of centrally planned economies (in mixed economies like Europe and the USA some industries are run as government planned and often owned monopolies). When corporations take over the state it's called 'Corporatism'.

For examples of corporations running states outright a jaded eye could look at the recent history of sub Saharan Africa or the history of the English empire. Not pretty either but nothing like the body count leftism in general has built.

'Progressivism' as it's currently defined is simply the latest name for old school socialist thinking. Socialism does have an inherent concentration of power issue. Government run industries are almost always monopolies.

In any case as long as we keep ourselves well armed we as Americans will be too expensive to govern with too heavy a hand. That was the ultimate purpose of the second. It had nothing to do with hunting, everything to do with enabling at least the threat of the next armed revolution.

Go to the range folks. The gun is useless if you can't practice gun control.

Charlton Heston would have wanted you to go to the range soon. I'd say to take your kids with you, but this is /. Damn am I on topic? WTF am I doing?

Take a safety course if you're getting your first weapon. Start with a 22LR pistol or rifle.

Apocalypse Believer (-1)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 6 years ago | (#22983746)

It's just too bad Heston followed those great low-budget End of the World movies by believing he was living in End Times for his last few decades.

Re:Apocalypse Believer (0, Troll)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 6 years ago | (#22984262)

Moderation -2
    100% Overrated

TrollMods worship St Heston like some kind of SF hoodoo [] .

the trifecta (1)

rjejr (921275) | more than 6 years ago | (#22983762)

You left out Omega Man.

the chronological end of mankind:
Soylent Green
The Omega Man
Planet of the Apes

Not just sci-fi, but nerdy stuff (4, Informative)

BRSloth (578824) | more than 6 years ago | (#22983808)

Let's not forget his acting in "Wayne's World 2" as "Good actor."...

Never considered Planet a SciFi movie (1)

zymano (581466) | more than 6 years ago | (#22983826)

More like a horror movie.

Soylent Green... (1)

bzudo (1151979) | more than 6 years ago | (#22983840)

(spoiler) is people. R.I.P. Charlie

Goodbye, Taylor (1)

Reziac (43301) | more than 6 years ago | (#22983900)

[gazing at Statue of Liberty, hip-deep in the sands of time]

You were right. They ruined it. We've become the nation of Soylent Green.

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What about Omega Man? (1)

helmespc (807573) | more than 6 years ago | (#22983992)

What? No Omega Man? Anyone who thinks I am Legend (or 28 Days Later for that matter) were remotely original, is sadly mistaken. RIP Charlton...

Re:What about Omega Man? (1)

jerkyjunkmail (590408) | more than 6 years ago | (#22984406)

I've enjoyed what bits I have saw so far of Omega man but Omega man wasn't truly original either. It's based loosely of the book from 1954 titled I am Legend. From seeing the opening scenes of The Omega Man it appears as the creators of the I am Legend movie was giving a nod at The Omega man IIRC Heston is tearing around in a blue Mustang in the opening scene after crashing some other car. Smith was doing the same in a Red Mustang. Neither would be a reference to the book though since Neville swore by driving only Willys.

Biggest sci fi of all (-1, Flamebait)

sirgorthon (1113147) | more than 6 years ago | (#22984008)

Why wasn't the Ten Commandments mentioned under his sci fi roles?

Re:Biggest sci fi of all (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22984114)

Uh, I believe that would go under fantasy, not Science Fiction!

Sad to see him go, never thought about this aspect (1)

ormandj (956774) | more than 6 years ago | (#22984024)

I read about this early this morning, and I'm quite sad to see him go. I fondly remember watching Ben-Hur as a child. I never thought about him in relation to sci-fi, but I can see it thanks to this read. :) As a side note, sci-fi related - but a bit OT, where on earth do you find out about good sci-fi nowadays? I went to the bookstore nearby, and the sci-fi section was 100% fantasy. I'm not into dragon slaying. I miss Asimov, Clarke, and all the greats. I've already read all their works, I'm ready for some new authors! Same goes for movies, it seems like Sci-Fi died in the 80s. :/ If people can point me in the right direction, I'd be very much appreciative! I'm looking for something like a forum, or a "club". I tried searching, but I only found a few sites (and the television network sci-fi's forums - which suck.) :( I'm especially interested in written material. Mr. Heston, wherever you are - thank you for your contribution to entertainment, as well as politics. Oh, and Sci-Fi!

Re:Sad to see him go, never thought about this asp (1)

Nephilium (684559) | more than 6 years ago | (#22984238)

Well... first, let's tighten up the Sci-Fi for a moment... are you looking for soft or hard?

Some of the sci-fi authors still writing that I do enjoy include the Kristine Kathryn Rusch Retrieval Artist series, Orson Scott Card's Shadow series, some of Larry Niven's stuff, John Barnes (only read if you're in a misanthropic mood), Spider Robinson (if usually far more on the light sci-fi side), and Neil Gaiman (yeah, it may qualify more as fantasy, but not swords and dragons style).

Nephilium... hopefully some of these will be new to you...

Re:Sad to see him go, never thought about this asp (1)

ormandj (956774) | more than 6 years ago | (#22984450)

Hard sci-fi would be my preference. I can deal with some soft, but most of it seems more on the fantasy side of the fence. I checked out Gaiman on the suggestion of a friend, and couldn't stand it. I just read a book by Larry Child (deep storm) which was pretty good. I'm currently reading Ringworld (chapter 3) by Niven, so far it seems "ok", if a bit "jumpy." We'll see how that one goes. :) Thanks!

Re:Sad to see him go, never thought about this asp (1)

1u3hr (530656) | more than 6 years ago | (#22984326)

I miss Asimov, Clarke, and all the greats. I've already read all their works, I'm ready for some new authors!

In that vein: Neal Stephenson, Stephen Baxter, KIm Stanley Robinson, Greg Benford. Have a look at and more generally, [] Locus [] .

Re:Sad to see him go, never thought about this asp (1)

sconeu (64226) | more than 6 years ago | (#22984498)

In order, Yes, No, Yes, Yes.

Baxter is the most depressing author I have ever read in my entire life.

Re:Sad to see him go, never thought about this asp (1)

per contra (854740) | more than 6 years ago | (#22984334)

There is some good new sci-fi out, John Scalzi's Old Man's War and the 2 sequels were very good and also David Drake's Daniel Leary series was very entertaining. Also some of the newer Sci fi movies are not bad at all. Fifth Element,Serenity, Stargate SG1 and of course Futurama is absolutely essential for any sci fi fan.

Re:Sad to see him go, never thought about this asp (1)

ormandj (956774) | more than 6 years ago | (#22984490)

Loved the Fifth Element, loved the show Firefly (not the movie Serenity - I really don't like Summer Glau and her part was rather overplayed and corny/silly in the movie.). SG1 I watched over the period of two weeks (all 10 seasons) - awesome. I'm current on Atlantis, too. Futurama is my fav. cartoon, can't wait for new episodes. :D I'll check out those books, too. Thanks!

Re:Sad to see him go, never thought about this asp (1)

NorbrookC (674063) | more than 6 years ago | (#22984402)

Try the Baen Free Library over at They have a lot of the old SF authors, as well as many of the newer ones. Doesn't cost you anything, and if you find an author you like, you can buy them. No DRM.

Getting back to the topic, let's not forget his voice work in "Cats & Dogs" as the Mastiff in charge.

Re:Sad to see him go, never thought about this asp (1)

domatic (1128127) | more than 6 years ago | (#22984502)

I've thoroughly enjoyed the Chung Kuo series: []

Donaldson's Gap Series are good too although both mentioned series span both the eighties and nineties.

Actors and activists (2, Interesting)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 6 years ago | (#22984042)

I've enjoyed watching most every film Heston's been in (might want to exclude "Earthquake" from that list, though). He brought a commanding presence to his roles that is quite rare.

I tend to ignore an actor's political statements, however (whether or not I agree with their sentiments). If I refused to watch any movie that included an actor that I'd seen make a fool out of him/herself, there'd be no point in my owning a DVD player - the pickings would be slim indeed.

Re:Actors and activists (1)

plover (150551) | more than 6 years ago | (#22984214)

I tend to ignore an actor's political statements, however (whether or not I agree with their sentiments). If I refused to watch any movie that included an actor that I'd seen make a fool out of him/herself, there'd be no point in my owning a DVD player - the pickings would be slim indeed.

That's a very wise attitude. And it's that kind of attitude that makes it OK in my brain to watch Susan Sarandon get fondled in Rocky Horror Picture Show. :-)

Re:Actors and activists (1)

sconeu (64226) | more than 6 years ago | (#22984476)

And it's that kind of attitude that makes it OK in my brain to watch Susan Sarandon get fondled in Rocky Horror Picture Show

You need a *REASON* for that?

corepirate nazis impact on planet/population (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22984068)

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Charlton Heston... (1)

Werkhaus (549466) | more than 6 years ago | (#22984072)

put his vest on [] .


Cold. Dead. Hands. (1)

Surasanji (938753) | more than 6 years ago | (#22984106)

Those damn dirty apes finally took his rifle from his cold dead hands...

Hi! I'm Troy McClure! (2)

barzok (26681) | more than 6 years ago | (#22984172)

As I was watching the various "video obituaries" on all the news programs, I couldn't help but see Troy McClure in all of Heston's roles.

I'm sorry but... (1)

mykepredko (40154) | more than 6 years ago | (#22984182)

he was an actor and I don't think of Sci-Fi as an actor driven movie genre. Filmmakers like George Lucas, James Cameron, Ridley Scott, George Pal and Fritz Lang will be remembered for their impact on Sci-Fi well before the actors in their films are recognized. I'd argue that Stan Winston (creature/special effects) has also had more of an impact on Sci-Fi than the actors. Similarly, writers like ACC and Ron Serle (who wrote the screenplay for "Planet of the Apes") have had bigger impacts than the actors in the films.

Now, having said this I might say that Sigorney Weaver has had as significant impact as any of the filmmakers listed above. Certainly more than Douglas Rain, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Harrison Ford, Michael Rennie, Leslie Neilson and Charleton Heston who all had leading roles in groundbreaking Sci-Fi features and whose performances come to mind when you're discussing the picture, but they really just carried out the roles they were given to them by the filmmakers.


Re:I'm sorry but... (1)

RoboRay (735839) | more than 6 years ago | (#22984288)

Great one! You actually had me going until you mentioned Sigorney Weaver!

Is his hand cold? (2, Funny)

Barlo_Mung_42 (411228) | more than 6 years ago | (#22984324)

I call dibs on the gun.

MOSES? (3, Funny)

Ralph Spoilsport (673134) | more than 6 years ago | (#22984346)

WHO is this MOSES???


"with my cold, dead hands....." (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22984430)

I wonder if he'll be buried with his cold hands clasping a gun after all.
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