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ICANN Moves Against GoDaddy Domain Lockdowns

Zonk posted more than 6 years ago | from the they-delved-too-deep dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "ICANN is finally taking action against Domain Registrar GoDaddy's controversial 'lockdowns'. GoDaddy has long had a policy of 'locking down' domain names for 60 days after a customer updated their contact details. This put customers in a Catch 22 position: ICANN requires customers keep their contact details up to date, or risk having the domain forfeited. Yet during the lockdown period the customer is prevented from transferring the domain from GoDaddy to another registrar. If the lockdown ran over the domain's expiry date, customers were forced to renew with GoDaddy or lose the domain. ICANN proposes to ban this practice. ICANN who is charged with overseeing the Internet has long been accused of giving domain registrars a free ride. But recently after ICANN failed to discipline Network Solutions over a front-running scam, they found themselves both on the wrong end of a lawsuit by lawyers Kabateck Brown Kellner. Is ICANN's action a signal of increased vigilance in policing registrars, or is it a PR move paving the way for a complete removal of US Government oversight?"

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I'd rather not buy from the likes of GoDaddy or NS (3, Interesting)

Malevolent Tester (1201209) | more than 6 years ago | (#22998610)

Does anyone have a list of the smaller/more honest registrars? I remember on the last Network Solutions article there were a few people talking about the better service at some of the less well known ones.

Re:I'd rather not buy from the likes of GoDaddy or (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22998630)

"Mein Furher! ICANN Moves!"
Yarr Yarr

Re:I'd rather not buy from the likes of GoDaddy or (0, Offtopic)

Zencyde (850968) | more than 6 years ago | (#22999448)

Not if ICANN protect my precious bodily fluids!
Seriously, though. I made a reference to this movie about 15 minutes ago in real life. : ) How blissful.

Re:I'd rather not buy from the likes of GoDaddy or (4, Informative)

AccUser (191555) | more than 6 years ago | (#22998632)

I always use 1&1 Internet, which has excellent support and is extremely well priced. For hosting, Joyent is your friend.

Re:I'd rather not buy from the likes of GoDaddy or (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22998808)

1&1 Internet took over a week & a half to register my (new) domain. Went to GoDaddy, registered it in 20ms after I clicked purchase. Thankfully 1&1 Internet gave a refund, an additional week later.

Re:I'd rather not buy from the likes of GoDaddy or (4, Informative)

dmoisan (111138) | more than 6 years ago | (#22999216)

I'm soured on 1&1 too. At work, we have one domain (our primary one) on Netsol, and the rest of the names on 1&1. Unfortunately, 1&1 bounced an email to us and put us in collections and never bothered to give us a phone call.

We only found this out when we wanted to consolidate all our domains with 1&1. (Of course, I found that our 10-year old domain had the contact info from our old ISP!)

Because of the transfer screwup, we kept it status quo with one name on NS and the others on 1&1. It was such a hassle with 1&1 that I am thinking seriously about consolidation again, only to Netsol instead! (and that is saying much!)

I'd like to see reforms at ICANN, so I don't have to worry about being screwed when some registrar is bought out by someone or when some different set of suits is put in management.

P.S. Direcnic is not the cheapest, but I use them personally and I have no reason to switch. Besides, considering their location, they have disaster preparedness down pat. :)

Re:I'd rather not buy from the likes of GoDaddy or (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22999436)

Excellent support? They took 2 weeks to fix a domain name that their control panel borked when updating.
I was out a domain name for two weeks, and received no compensation.
Oh, and if you only do domain registration through them, you're limited to 5 subdomains per account, not per domain.
That means if you have 100 domain names, you can only have 5 glue domains.

Re:I'd rather not buy from the likes of GoDaddy or (3, Insightful)

SolitaryMan (538416) | more than 6 years ago | (#22998648)

Chances are, you'll end up buying from GoDaddy or NS, but with the retailer's extra charge.

Re:I'd rather not buy from the likes of GoDaddy or (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 6 years ago | (#22998802)

Not always. In many cases, GoDaddy sells the domains to smaller registrars at lower prices than they charge end users, so many times the markup brings it to the same price as GoDaddy, sometimes less, sometimes more.

GoDaddy is like $10 a year, which I think is plenty cheap, so while I don't like their tactics, I don't think their pricing is exorbitant, and their online tools are pretty nice.

Re:I'd rather not buy from the likes of GoDaddy or (3, Insightful)

paeanblack (191171) | more than 6 years ago | (#22999728)

GoDaddy is like $10 a year, which I think is plenty cheap, so while I don't like their tactics, I don't think their pricing is exorbitant, and their online tools are pretty nice.

In this case, GoDaddy's lockdown policies are probably worth the trouble they cause. On the down side, you need to cough up an extra $10/domain if you happen to change your info, AND want to move registrars, AND wait until there are less than 60 days on your contract. On the up side, if your account gets compromised, you have 60 days to notice and fix things before it will cost you thousands of dollars in legal fees to maybe get your domains back.

GoDaddy is slimy, and they will take the spammers dollars as readily as they'll take anyone else's, but that doesn't mean they are pure evil incarnate. If you ever do have a domain you care about compromised, you'll be very, very happy with their lockdown policies.

Re:I'd rather not buy from the likes of GoDaddy or (2)

lothar97 (768215) | more than 6 years ago | (#23000242)

After a little bouncing around through bad registrars, I moved all of my domain names to Moniker. $11 per domain name, great customer service and tech support, and I'm not shafted left and right like I was with GoDaddy. Even though I have told GoDaddy repeatedly the issues they caused (tech support recommended an upgrade to Plesk that fubared by server and they refused to fix it), they have followed up about a dozen times checking to see if there's anything they can do to help my account (e.g. sell my more crummy service). Go riddance.

Re:I'd rather not buy from the likes of GoDaddy or (1)

FireFury03 (653718) | more than 6 years ago | (#22998756)

I tend to use Joker and 123-reg

Re:I'd rather not buy from the likes of GoDaddy or (1)

fostware (551290) | more than 6 years ago | (#22998972)

Joker shits me... anytime there was a support query or we needed to transfer a domain with non-current details the turnaround was in the order of weeks.

For the few customers we've taken over with domain issues, this wasn't acceptable by any means...

Re:I'd rather not buy from the likes of GoDaddy or (3, Insightful)

FireFury03 (653718) | more than 6 years ago | (#22999082)

anytime there was a support query or we needed to transfer a domain with non-current details the turnaround was in the order of weeks.

I can't comment on this since I've never needed to make a support query.

However, I have always found that running your own name servers, rather than relying on the registrar's (or anyone else's) does make life a lot easier - you can make changes to your domain immediately instead of waiting around for someone else to do it, you have more chance of the changes being correct (the number of times someone has screwed up when copying and pasting from a change request email is mind-boggling) and you get to do stuff that commercial name servers usually won't let you do (set very low TTLs when shuffling servers around, set up records that aren't just the usual A and MX records, etc).

The less third parties you have to trust to run services for you, the better off you are.

Re:I'd rather not buy from the likes of GoDaddy or (2, Informative)

birder (61402) | more than 6 years ago | (#22999816)

I've used Joker for a few years and have been happy with the service.

Re:I'd rather not buy from the likes of GoDaddy or (1)

Soporific (595477) | more than 6 years ago | (#22998854)

Not to be a shill here, but I use Crystal Tech, which resells Melbourne IT and I've been happy with it. YMMV.

~S

Re:I'd rather not buy from the likes of GoDaddy or (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22998874)

If you really want a cheap one, go for hosterio. It is based in India, and that is almost the cheapest you can get.

Re:I'd rather not buy from the likes of GoDaddy or (1)

flight_master (867426) | more than 6 years ago | (#22999116)

http://www.montecarlohosting.net/ [montecarlohosting.net]

I buy all my domains and hosting there. Not the cheapest, but GREAT service.

Re:I'd rather not buy from the likes of GoDaddy or (1)

soupforare (542403) | more than 6 years ago | (#22999226)

I've always used changeip.com. While they are reselling NS, you don't ever deal with NS. They even let you transfer NS domains to them with no drama.
The company has been around for a while, the prices are reasonable, the control panels sane, and the support very quick to respond. I've even donated money to them in the past (I was a longtime free ddns user before using paid services).

Re:I'd rather not buy from the likes of GoDaddy or (1)

fluffman86 (1006119) | more than 6 years ago | (#22999262)

Site5.com offers very simple domain registration if you already have their hosting service. The registration is $8.88/yr, and the hosting is cheap and EXTREMELY fast and reliable.

You should definitely check it out.

Re:I'd rather not buy from the likes of GoDaddy or (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22999528)

namecheap.com [namecheap.com]

Lousy name, perfect record. DNS hosting and WHOIS protection.

Re:I'd rather not buy from the likes of GoDaddy or (5, Informative)

neurovish (315867) | more than 6 years ago | (#22999564)

insecure.org put up a nice list at nodaddy.com when their domain was yanked. It looks like it is still there.
http://nodaddy.com/#alternatives [nodaddy.com]

Re:I'd rather not buy from the likes of GoDaddy or (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22999568)

I go with NearlyFreeSpeech.NET [nearlyfreespeech.net] for domain registration and hosting. If it works for BugMeNot, it's good for me. Plus I host some rather...interesting...content, and they haven't had a problem with it yet.

Re:I'd rather not buy from the likes of GoDaddy or (1)

Plaid Phantom (818438) | more than 6 years ago | (#23000282)

Second to this. I don't think they sell domains independently from the hosting, but if you want a painless (and cheap!) all-in-one solution, NFS.N is the way to go.

Re:I'd rather not buy from the likes of GoDaddy or (1)

sconeu (64226) | more than 6 years ago | (#23000920)

Thanks. That looks good, since all I'm looking for is a domain name and email forwarding!

Re:I'd rather not buy from the likes of GoDaddy or (1)

ronocdh (906309) | more than 6 years ago | (#22999690)

I have no figures on how big they are, but I use Surpass Domains. I was oddly attracted to them because their domain registration fees weren't bargain bin cheap. The customer service is nonpareil.

Re:I'd rather not buy from the likes of GoDaddy or (1)

griffeymac (625596) | more than 6 years ago | (#22999730)

I've had good luck with Address Creation [addresscreation.com] . I don't know what GoDaddy charges for domain registrations, but they're about $15 at Address Creation, which certainly doesn't break the bank. They only e-mail me when one of my domains is going to expire (and actually this year allowed me to glom four of them together so that I can renew them all at once from now on) and don't seem to have any obnoxious terms of use like what GoDaddy is accused of.

Good luck!

Re:I'd rather not buy from the likes of GoDaddy or (1)

tygt (792974) | more than 6 years ago | (#22999784)

I've had nothing but excellence from verio - quite reasonable rates; competent, prompt and corteous (and home-country) tech support; no scams at renewal time; and an easy-to-use web interface.

Highly recommended, obviously.

Re:I'd rather not buy from the likes of GoDaddy or (1)

jcinnamond (463196) | more than 6 years ago | (#22999830)

Disclaimer: I worked for LCN until recently.

I buy from LCN.com [lcn.com] . Not as cheap as godaddy but they work well and don't do anything scummy with your domain (like trying to stop you from transferring). I guess you gets what you pays for.

I'm not sure how godaddy can justify doing this. The icann policy [icann.org] only lets them deny a transfer under the following circumstances (listed under point 3):

1. Evidence of fraud
      2. UDRP action
      3. Court order by a court of competent jurisdiction
      4. Reasonable dispute over the identity of the Registered Name Holder or Administrative Contact
      5. No payment for previous registration period (including credit card charge-backs) if the domain name is past its expiration date or for previous or current registration periods if the domain name has not yet expired. In all such cases, however, the domain name must be put into "Registrar Hold" status by the Registrar of Record prior to the denial of transfer.
      6. Express written objection to the transfer from the Transfer Contact. (e.g. - email, fax, paper document or other processes by which the Transfer Contact has expressly and voluntarily objected through opt-in means)
      7. A domain name was already in "lock status" provided that the Registrar provides a readily accessible and reasonable means for the Registered Name Holder to remove the lock status.
      8. A domain name is in the first 60 days of an initial registration period.
      9. A domain name is within 60 days (or a lesser period to be determined) after being transferred (apart from being transferred back to the original Registrar in cases where both Registrars so agree and/or where a decision in the dispute resolution process so directs).

Re:I'd rather not buy from the likes of GoDaddy or (1)

slcdb (317433) | more than 6 years ago | (#23000414)

I just moved my domain from NS to No-IP. I did this after NS preemptively took down the Fitna website. I don't want to be doing business with a registrar that has no qualms about revoking a domain for no valid reason.

I was already using No-IP for dynamic DNS and found that their management tools are simple and their website is uncluttered (they don't spam every page with ads for the zillions of services like GoDaddy and some of the other big registrars).

Re:I'd rather not buy from the likes of GoDaddy or (1)

djdbass (1037730) | more than 6 years ago | (#23000490)

I use Misk [misk.com] Same price.

First Post! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22998614)

Yes!!

Re:First Post! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22998954)

No!

Re:First Post! (-1, Offtopic)

hostyle (773991) | more than 6 years ago | (#22999142)

Third post in this thread!

Just a matter of proper ordering... (1, Insightful)

pla (258480) | more than 6 years ago | (#22998636)

customers were forced to renew with GoDaddy or lose the domain

So transfer it and then update your info. Although registrars shouldn't get away with this crap, I fail to see how this amounts to more than a minor nuissance.

Even in the worst-case scenario (changing your info a few weeks before expiration, before realizing you want to transfer), a domain's owner only "loses" a couple bucks at most for using GoDaddy for one more year. Not a big deal, IMO, even if I do fully encourage the spanking of GoDaddy over such games.

Re:Just a matter of proper ordering... (1)

tokul (682258) | more than 6 years ago | (#22998700)

So transfer it and then update your info
In order to transfer domain you need auth code and it is sent to administrative email address.

Re:Just a matter of proper ordering... (2, Informative)

Ariven (256118) | more than 6 years ago | (#22998916)

I just transfered a domain from godaddy yesterday. Since I had originally registered it with them, they had the auth code already, so I didn't need to do anything to get it.

Funny thing was, I had to check a box that said I agreed that the person I was transferring it to was obligated to accept the 60 day lockdown after the transfer.

Re:Just a matter of proper ordering... (1)

RKBA (622932) | more than 6 years ago | (#22999290)

That's the way it's supposed to work; however, some registrars intentionally violate the rules. For example, BLUEHOST.COM SUCKS TOTALLY because even though I obtained an auth code and sent it to my new registrar, BlueHost still would NOT allow the transfer. I filed a trouble report with them and got back an email saying there was nothing preventing the transfer - hah! Perhaps not, but BlueHost.com never transferred the domain regardless, and I ended up forfeiting the domain and had to switch to another one. So far, I'm very happy with lowpricedomains.com

Twofo Goatse (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22998810)

Goatse in your face! Goatse up your ass! [twofo.co.uk] [goatse.ch]

Waste your mod points moderating me down fuckers!

Re:Just a matter of proper ordering... (4, Insightful)

mwvdlee (775178) | more than 6 years ago | (#22998832)

when you need to start thinking like this, there's something wrong to begin with.

Re:Just a matter of proper ordering... (3, Funny)

Talderas (1212466) | more than 6 years ago | (#22998928)

Why spank GoDaddy? I'd rather just spank the advertising girls.

Re:Just a matter of proper ordering... (2, Interesting)

Kibblet (754565) | more than 6 years ago | (#22998964)

They won't even let me transfer after the lockdown. It just won't transfer. So now I paid a new place, and Godaddy, and they are holding it hostage. They also didn't send a renewal notice and didn't charge my card for my more popular domain name, and sold it to a squatter. For whatever reason my firstlastname.com is popular, I guess. And now I don't have it. Squatter has had it for a while, too, I guess it wasn't as popular as they speculated, or they thought that I would pay extra to get my own name back. They can keep it. It was all done through Godaddy's program of 'these are things expiring do you want to sit on it and grab it' that they have.

Re:Just a matter of proper ordering... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22999206)

GoDaddy's been known for all kinds of bullshit like this, why would you use them?

I don't understand why people use such a crappy domain registrar. They're not even cheaper for .com domains.

is there any decent non "evil"registrar out there? (2, Informative)

ionix5891 (1228718) | more than 6 years ago | (#22998640)

Hello

can anyone please point to a decent non "evil" registrar

Goddady = bad (see this article)

Enom = bad ( see http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/03/09/025222 [slashdot.org] )

Network solutions ( see http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/03/23/1914238 [slashdot.org] and http://slashdot.org/article.pl?no_d2=1&sid=00/05/12/2141250 [slashdot.org] and http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/02/15/2121200 [slashdot.org]

Anyone?

Re:is there any decent non "evil"registrar out the (2, Informative)

david.given (6740) | more than 6 years ago | (#22998660)

I go with gandi.net, who are reasonably price, have decent service, and appear to be fairly white-hat.

Re:is there any decent non "evil"registrar out the (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22999618)

I've used GANDI for many years and they're great. The difference between the two is that GoDaddy practices "Gotcha Capitalism" [msn.com] very hard while GANDI is satisfied with you paying for the year (and that's it). Credit to them for not trying to screw the world and also not pulling domains off-line at any idiot's request.

Personally I'd avoid GoDaddy like a cheap hooker in NYC during "Fleet Week". =)

Re:is there any decent non "evil"registrar out the (1)

AlistairGroves (546420) | more than 6 years ago | (#22999984)

https://www.gandi.net/faq/view_question/313 [gandi.net] What worries me about Gandi is that they don't offer auto renewing and the restore rates if it expires are pretty steep...

Re:is there any decent non "evil"registrar out the (1)

Lincolnshire Poacher (1205798) | more than 6 years ago | (#23000876)

> What worries me about Gandi is that they don't offer auto renewing

That may be because Gandi do not own the domain name, the purchaser does. They cannot extend the contract because they are not the owners of the domain.

On the plus side, this prevents the domain being locked-away indefinitely by being auto-renewed into the registrar's name. One domain name that I abandoned eight years ago is still being auto-renewed by the registrar in the vain hope that I might pay their extortionate fees.

Re:is there any decent non "evil"registrar out the (1)

Drewmeister (1036004) | more than 6 years ago | (#23000026)

Further positives for gandi.net:
  1. 1) Wears a loincloth
  2. 2) Makes own salt
  3. 3) ???
  4. 4) Population crisis

GratisDNS.dk (2, Informative)

wizards_eye (1145125) | more than 6 years ago | (#22998740)

If you speak (or at least understand some) danish, I will highly recommend http://gratisdns.dk/ [gratisdns.dk]

It is free to move your domain to and use their DNS servers, and you get full control of the DNS records.

If you want to register a new domain, the prices are very fair.

Re:is there any decent non "evil"registrar out the (2, Informative)

JeepFanatic (993244) | more than 6 years ago | (#22998750)

Check out dreamhost.com. I use them for domain names and hosting - reasonable prices, great service (my bandwidth and disk space grows every week for free), and (if this matters to you) they're carbon neutral.

Re:is there any decent non "evil"registrar out the (1)

jo42 (227475) | more than 6 years ago | (#22999182)

dreamhost.com ... bandwidth and disk space grows every week for free
Just try and actually use all that bandwidth and disk space. See what happens then. Purely marketing bull crap.

Re:is there any decent non "evil"registrar out the (1)

Chaos Incarnate (772793) | more than 6 years ago | (#22999826)

Just try and actually use all that bandwidth and disk space. See what happens then. Purely marketing bull crap.
I haven't gotten near the bandwidth usage, but I've had no problem with my disk space riding right below my cap for months now (since I keep adding more content when the space increases).

Re:is there any decent non "evil"registrar out the (4, Funny)

kalirion (728907) | more than 6 years ago | (#22999762)

and (if this matters to you) they're carbon neutral.

I'm sorry, but I'm not familiar with that alignment. Is that like "True Neutral", or does it lean towards "Lawful" or "Chaotic" ends?

Re:is there any decent non "evil"registrar out the (1)

TheThiefMaster (992038) | more than 6 years ago | (#22999956)

Either they are doing it because they like nature, in which case they are probably a druid (and likely true neutral as a result), or they do it because it attracts more customers (and profit), which is a distinctly chaotic neutral trait.

Better than most companies, which tend towards chaotic evil.

Re:is there any decent non "evil"registrar out the (1)

yasth (203461) | more than 6 years ago | (#23000290)

It means they they plant a tree for every orc they kill.

Re:is there any decent non "evil"registrar out the (1)

TheThiefMaster (992038) | more than 6 years ago | (#23000052)

I use dreamhost.com to host my site (which is more of a file store as it has NO html anywhere) but I'm definitely happy with their service.

Another vote for you to check out dreamhost.com.

Re:is there any decent non "evil"registrar out the (1)

ThreeGigs (239452) | more than 6 years ago | (#22998952)

Register.com is just as expensive as NetSol, but lacking any evil qualities as far as I can tell. Real people answer the phone if you need to call, and are helpful to boot. If your domain is going to expire, you get a PHONE CALL reminding you to renew, after the traditional emails. I have never gotten spammed at the email address I used for registration, aside from the occasional pricing specials or new service announcements.

Granted, I don't own hundreds of domains, so price isn't a major issue. If it were, I'd probably be switching to a more evil registrar whose business plan includes making money off the backs of the domain owners. But for now, register.com seems to b truly 'non-evil'.

Re:is there any decent non "evil"registrar out the (1)

db32 (862117) | more than 6 years ago | (#22999694)

nodaddy.com has a nice list.
I personally use moniker

Re:is there any decent non "evil"registrar out the (1)

dangthill (944791) | more than 6 years ago | (#23000020)

I have alway had good luck with Domainmonger [domainmonger.com] . Funny name, but reasonable prices, and a rather powerful DNS control panel (which is free with the domain purchase). But, you can easily point your domain to your own NS records if you so choose. Been with them for 7 years, never had a problem.

Re:is there any decent non "evil"registrar out the (1)

DocMAME (933222) | more than 6 years ago | (#23000166)

I've been with 1 & 1 http://www.1and1.com/ [1and1.com] for domain registration and web-hosting and have never had any complaints. Service is fast and easy, domains are inexpensive, and new domains have always come online quickly, within hours.

Re:is there any decent non "evil"registrar out the (1)

slcdb (317433) | more than 6 years ago | (#23000504)

I just switched from NS to No-IP. So I haven't had my domain with them for very long yet, but I've used their other services (Dynamic DNS) for a long time now.

I've never read or heard about them doing anything overtly evil (unlike NS or GoDaddy).

Re:is there any decent non "evil"registrar out the (1)

iceT (68610) | more than 6 years ago | (#23000536)

I just used Dynamic Network Solutions, Inc (DYNDNS.COM) as my registrar. Seems pretty good so far.

ICANN (1)

Hope Thelps (322083) | more than 6 years ago | (#22998662)

ICANN who is charged with overseeing the Internet

I thought they were responsible for assigning IP blocks and deciding that ".museum" was a good idea. When did that become "overseeing the internet"?

Re:ICANN (3, Informative)

ThreeGigs (239452) | more than 6 years ago | (#22999004)

Actually, IP address allocations are handled by ARIN (http://www.arin.net/ [arin.net] ) and other regional registries (like RIPE http://www.ripe.net/ [ripe.net] ) and the NRO (http://www.nro.net/ [nro.net] ). If you consider them the Phone Company, then ICANN is simply the Yellow and White Pages.

Re:ICANN (3, Informative)

gclef (96311) | more than 6 years ago | (#22999710)

ARIN, RIPE, etc, get their addresses allocated to them from IANA. IANA is run under ICANN (ye, gods, too many acronyms). Basically, they manage the IP addresses of the 'net in much the same way that they manage the DNS of the 'net: they're the high-level policy folks, but not the ones you get numbers or names from.

Re:ICANN (1)

ObsessiveMathsFreak (773371) | more than 6 years ago | (#22999396)

I thought they were responsible for assigning IP blocks and deciding that ".museum" was a good idea. When did that become "overseeing the internet"?
And DNS. Please, please don't forget DNS.

"Overseeing the internet" is a good description. A very good one in fact. ICANN, despite its problems, keeps the system from splintering into separate, nation block controlled areas.

It's also a good description in another sense. When they eventually do get down to censoring the web (for the children), ICANN will be the organisation that shall oversee the great purge of online freedom.

GoDaddy and the spam you received today (4, Interesting)

Arrogant-Bastard (141720) | more than 6 years ago | (#22998692)

GoDaddy is the single largest registrar of spammers, phishers, and the like. On the surface, that might sound odd, given that GoDaddy has published policies that say they'll take action, but the reality is that those are propaganda, no better. GoDaddy's enforcement of its own policies against abusers has been laughable: it's pretty obvious to everyone that they only do so with reluctance and in the face of bad PR. (See Usenet's news.admin.net-abuse.email for many discussions on this.)

This really isn't surprising, though: spammers and phishers buy domains by the hundreds, if not thousands, which makes them excellent customers. And if you're GoDaddy, you need that income (among other reasons) to fund your offensively sexist commercials.

How does this tie in? It's all about profits. Profits for GoDaddy are maximized by selling as many domains as possible and then holding them for ransom. Given how weak and slow ICANN has been, this has been a viable strategy for a number of years; it remains to be seen if something meaningful will actually happen in this case, or whether GoDaddy will just continue cementing its reputation as one of the scummiest registrars out there.

Re:GoDaddy and the spam you received today (1)

aurispector (530273) | more than 6 years ago | (#22998812)

The darkly comedic stumblings of ICANN just make a better case for continued government oversight. The simple fact is that the purpose of any business is to make a profit. The methods used to do so vary, but generally stay within reason when real market competition exists. ICANN has no competition and plays an important role in regulating the registrar market. It's actual functioning has been less like a regulatory agency and more like an enabler of abuse. Privatization will solve nothing.

Even if they start flexing a little muscle I sincerely doubt they can be counted on in the long run.

Re:GoDaddy and the spam you received today (2, Informative)

JasterBobaMereel (1102861) | more than 6 years ago | (#22998912)

GoDaddy : Silly name that does not describe what they do, Commercials that hide they are a very dull company providing a very menial service

they talk about "product development" and similar ... but they just sell domain names

They do not run any Root Nameservers, they do not police the system, they are selling registrations, and nothing else ...

Give me a frelling break... (-1, Troll)

flajann (658201) | more than 6 years ago | (#22998698)

Godaddy is just $10 a year -- not a lot of money, even by poverty standards. What is it with all this namby-pamby BS when you'll spend more in a day's lunch than it's worth mulling over saving a buck a year with a different registar.

I guess some people need something to complain about!

Re:Give me a frelling break... (2, Insightful)

xaxa (988988) | more than 6 years ago | (#22998754)

All those $10 from dishonest companies add up.

Re:Give me a frelling break... (2, Interesting)

ouder (1080019) | more than 6 years ago | (#22999212)

People who say it's only $10 per year obviously don't run web businesses of any significant size. It is $10 per year for one domain, but in practice most companies will have dozens is not hundreds of domains registered to prevent counter typo-squatting and to protect domains that we may use in the future. When designing a new product or service one of the first questions is "What domains might you want?" and then you need to grab them now. And I mean NOW before an employee or dumpster diver grabs them (it can be really hard to track down who bought the domain, even if it is the guy working in the next cubical). Besides, it is the general principle. Yes, people in business do have principles. They especially have principles if they are the ones being ripped off.

Re:Give me a frelling break... (3, Interesting)

pebs (654334) | more than 6 years ago | (#22999310)

Godaddy is just $10 a year -- not a lot of money, even by poverty standards. What is it with all this namby-pamby BS when you'll spend more in a day's lunch than it's worth mulling over saving a buck a year with a different registar.

I guess some people need something to complain about!


I don't care to give money to assholes, personally, whether its $10 or $1000. Also, some people own multiple domains (I own about 10 personally), so it could potentially be more than $10.

GoDaddy's been making stupid asshole moves ever since I heard about them, so they've never received my money. It's your bad decision if you chose GoDaddy. But in any case, it's important that people be made aware of the kind of practices GoDaddy has. When you have Kevin and Alex (Diggnation) telling you to buy a domain from GoDaddy, you need another voice saying "Hey! GoDaddy is a fucking shitty registrar!"

There's no point in your meta-complaining. If you like to let companies ass-rape you, that's fine, but that doesn't mean everyone else likes it.

Dreamhost is also $9.95/year (I use them). There's no good reason to use GoDaddy when there are plenty of better registrars that aren't any more expensive.

Re:Give me a frelling break... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22999812)

When you have Kevin and Alex (Diggnation) telling you to buy a domain from GoDaddy, you need another voice saying "Hey! GoDaddy is a fucking shitty registrar!"


That 'show' is regularly pretty awful, but the couple of times I did check it out they were hawking a discount if you used the name of their show as a promo code. Doing that, I'm able to renew domains and purchase new ones for $7 instead of $10. And since I don't watch the show any more, that makes me a leech, I guess.

So, I guess my question is: is that cheap enough to overlook some of this kind of thing? Is there a price cheap enough per annum where this kind of thing would be tolerated? I mean, you kind of get what you pay for, right? Besides, at $7 a year, I'm not going anywhere anytime soon, so having my domain locked for 60 days isn't going to affect me in the slightest, and I don't use any of their services other than domain registration. So as long as they don't go out of business and take my domains with them, then I, personally, don't have any problems.

Am I missing something? (1)

naich (781425) | more than 6 years ago | (#22998746)

Why the hell does anyone ever buy a domain from GoDaddy in the first place? I've heard nothing but bad things about them. Over here in the UK there are about a bajillion places you can get a domain name from, so there must be even more in the US.

Re:Am I missing something? (1)

sjwest (948274) | more than 6 years ago | (#22999034)

Beats me 'brand name' ? A european registrar is safer in regard to things european's can do, and american's cannot. The opportunity to holiday in Cuba is one recent example where some european got there domains taken out by the us govt recently.

My eu registar has a rule that a domain cannot be transfered in the first month after purchase which im cool with and has none of the restrictions Comrade Parsons of godaddy has that im aware of.

GoDaddy not the only one (3, Interesting)

WebGangsta (717475) | more than 6 years ago | (#22998752)

GoDaddy has long had a policy of 'locking down' domain names for 60 days after a customer updated their contact details

I ran into this exact same situation a few weeks ago with either Network Solutions or Register.com (we were bouncing back and forth between the two services working on a few different accounts, so my memory is faulty as to which one was the culprit - though I'm leaning towards NetSol). My point is that the issue is not isolated to just GoDaddy.

We wanted to transfer the account to a different registrar, but the email address on file was one that was no longer active. So we changed the address to one that was active so the transfer messages could arrive correctly, and we were told that there was a hold. Solution: I called and bitched about it. Took about 24 hours, but we were able to bypass the auto lock and move the account successfully. Not the most ideal situation, but at least there was a way around.

Re:GoDaddy not the only one (4, Interesting)

capnkr (1153623) | more than 6 years ago | (#22998826)

Yes, NS does it too, it has happened to me. BUT...

If you tell NS that you are trying/going to move the domain due to their (exorbitant) pricing, they will offer you a new price, much more in line with what other registrars like GoDaddy charge ($8.75/yr in my case). So basically, problem solved...

I do think the lock-down policy is a simple ploy to retain customers, no matter who implements it.

Re:GoDaddy not the only one (2, Insightful)

dj245 (732906) | more than 6 years ago | (#22999006)

The problem with forcibly retaining your customers like this is that it makes them mad, and it doesn't really stop them. They're just going to call your technical support, which costs you money. Is making a couple bucks a year worth the support center time? Especially when you probably have made them more determined to leave? Its not a great way to run a business, and very short sighted.

Re:GoDaddy not the only one (1)

capnkr (1153623) | more than 6 years ago | (#22999126)

I agree, dj, but then I remind myself:

I am a geek/nerd/technologist, but I'd wager that a much, much larger portion of their client base isn't, and so that much larger percentage just goes ahead and pays whatever bill they get in regards to domain costs. A surprising number of people who come to me for web work are still paying NS $35 a year, with no clue that that is a very high price. So, if for some reason they ever find themselves in this situation, they still pay, forgetting the policy and the possibility of a registrar change after a few weeks.

That is what makes a policy like this profitable for these companies, at least in the short-term. They'll continue it for the next several years, I bet, until the current generation of younger tech-savvy folks start teaching their kids that $35 is too much, and a tipping point is reached where the public won't support with their wallets any company which has such BS as a policy.

Not just GoDaddy (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22998764)

Network Solutions does this as well. I had to update my e-mail address in my contact information in order to transfer a domain to another registrar. NS locked the domain down for 60 days because of the update. The 60 days would have lasted beyond the expiration of the domain name, meaning I had to renew through NS or risk having someone (possibly NS!) buy it first and charge me more to get it back.

It took two or three encounters with their support staff and the threat of a complaint to ICANN to get the lock removed so I could continue with the transfer.

Domain Futures (1)

transami (202700) | more than 6 years ago | (#22998782)

I have a bad feeling about the future of domain name registration. I fear greed will ultimately win out, and shady practices like lockdowns, and worse, mass squatting like sedo.com will take over completely.

What can we do about it?

Re:Domain Futures (1)

jo42 (227475) | more than 6 years ago | (#22999320)

Start up your own domain registrar. Offer reasonable pricing with DNS services.

Re:Domain Futures (1)

pjt33 (739471) | more than 6 years ago | (#22999438)

When I saw your subject I thought you had an idea for a derivatives market based on domain names. That really would be messy.

Well that about does it (1, Funny)

Guanine (883175) | more than 6 years ago | (#22998822)

I've had my domains with Go Daddy for about 5 years, and I knew the company was crappy, but I didn't know they were this bad. Plus, every time I visit their website I feel like I need to take a shower. Off to a better registrar [pairnic.com] for me, then. Good riddance.

Re:Well that about does it (1)

Skater (41976) | more than 6 years ago | (#22998880)

I've been using Pairnic for several years and haven't had a single problem. When I see stories like this I'm glad I'm with them.

Re:Well that about does it (1)

nawcom (941663) | more than 6 years ago | (#22999668)

I've never registered through GoDaddy; though i do vividly remember the superbowl commercial. That girl having her shirt falling off and yelling out Go Daddy! heh I swear i thought it was some subliminal "ai papi" message or something. Good times.

hmm. (1)

apodyopsis (1048476) | more than 6 years ago | (#22998900)

A few people have requested a list of "good" ISPs so they can use them.

I also advocate a list of "bad" ISPs so we can **avoid** them. Name and shame I say, the nets good for that.

Its amazing how many business practices seem to be accepted or tolerated on the net that would be frowned upon or a cue for legal action in the real world. its as though virtual assets somehow seem less valuable then real ones, which is obviously not always true.

Not everyone hates GoDaddy (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22998940)

I have two domains with GoDaddy and manage about 6 others and I've never had a single problem with them. Not only did I purchase the domains there, but hosting as well. The single time I had to deal with Support my issue was resolved in about 20 minutes via email. I definitely disagree with the lockdown policy, but its not unique to GoDaddy, nor do I think a governing body should step in. Its called Capitalism. I guess its me versus the masses of techs, as I have no problem with GoDaddy.

themselves both? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22999028)

"they found themselves both on the wrong end of a lawsuit by lawyers Kabateck Brown Kellner"

So, there are only two people working for ICANN?

Re:themselves both? (1)

Icarium (1109647) | more than 6 years ago | (#22999872)

ICANN and Network Solutions = both. Possibly, don't care.

Phone Numbers (1)

acvh (120205) | more than 6 years ago | (#22999064)

I have never had to deal with someone hijacking my phone number, and every time I have moved it to a new location or cell carrier it has taken effect in less than a day after requesting it. Why must we put up with a much more chaotic system for domain names?

As for Godaddy being "evil", I've used them for years, had no trouble tranferring domains in or out, speak to live humans when I need to, and get phone calls from them when domains are expiring or when they have a deal that would actually lower what I pay.

It took *this* long for a *positive* comment??! (1)

Hercynium (237328) | more than 6 years ago | (#23000152)

It's hard to believe, but your comment is the first I've read on this page with anything good to say about GoDaddy. I have about a dozen domains registered thru them, and I've recommended them to friends and family and clients many times throughout the years, often because they were getting ripped-off or defrauded by NSI.

I've never had a problem with GoDaddy, nor have I *ever* received a complaint. On the contrary, several of those whom I've referred have *compliments* about their service and pricing.

In about 8 years of doing business with them, yy only beef with GoDaddy so far is how desperate they seem to sell you loads of additional software that many people simply don't know that they *don't* need. I always warn people about that ahead of time.

Yes, I acknowledge their 'evil' practices, but really, for me, none of that has ever been an issue, and I've only had a positive consumer experience with them.

BTW - I am not, not have I ever been employed or in any way paid by GoDaddy or any related entity. I only add this because I get the sense that nobody here would believe there's anything *good* to say!

NoDaddy (1)

sega01 (937364) | more than 6 years ago | (#22999138)

GoDaddy is one of the many horrible registrars. Things are not right when you have to be careful picking a registrar. http://nodaddy.com/ [nodaddy.com] is a great site about the woes GoDaddy.

serious idea steganographically hidden in a lolcat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22999220)

serious idea steganographically hidden in a lolcat:

[ picture of godaddy ]: ICANN haz sankshunz?

*ducks

No no no! (4, Insightful)

Spazmania (174582) | more than 6 years ago | (#22999292)

As someone whose ass was saved by Network Solutions' lockdown, let me tell you the lockdowns are a Really Good Thing.

Hackers can break in to your account. It can happen even when you're being careful. A lockdown means that you have time to track down a real human being and get it reversed before the domain is transferred to some registrar in China whose support reps don't even speak English.

Alternative (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22999314)

I've been with EuroDNS for quite some years.
They have excellent web-based administration for DNS records (or easy dyndns support) if you stick with their nameservers, or you can specify your own.
They actually reinforce the ICANN-defined practices: I hadn't specified a real contact name for a domain I had, and in a few days I got some email from their staff, where they said they'll report the violation to ICANN if I don't correct it.
I feel that is great, in the sense that they're a major registrant and do mass registrations.

ICANN needs new leadership (1)

harshmanrob (955287) | more than 6 years ago | (#22999602)

ICANN is proving itself once again to be a menace to free enterprise and the US government is using it to once again regulate the internet.

What about foriegn companies who register using GoDaddy, outside the reach of the US? Furthermore, what if the foreign company did no business in the US nor was subject to US taxation? We are back to regulation without representation. I do not see what GoDaddy is doing wrong.

I have said before ICANN needs to be turned over to an international body or maybe a consortium of private businesses for its operations. The US government simply fucks up anything it touches.

No problem for me (1)

clintre (1078849) | more than 6 years ago | (#23000180)

You know I have been using GoDaddy for around 7 years. I have around 20-25 domains for myself and customers I support. I have never had a problem with them. The domain management is very easy and quick. Not to mention they have very good pricing.

Unless you have a need to move from them as a registrar this is not an issue and I really do not see a need to move if it works well.

If you want to move for ethical reasons, then I have no problem with your reasoning. However if you really think that the majority of the business are ethical, where have you been hiding.
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