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Network Solutions Advertises On Your Sub-Domains

kdawson posted more than 6 years ago | from the why-are-we-not-surprised dept.

The Internet 157

Wowsers writes "The Register reports that customers have found that their defunct or forgotten-about sub-domains have been taken over by Network Solutions to send users to ad pages. By digging through a 59K-word user agreement, you can find the following text: 'You also agree that any domain name directory, sub-directory, file name or path (e.g.) that does not resolve to an active web page on your Web site being hosted by Network Solutions, may be used by Network Solutions to place a "parking" page, "under construction" page, or other temporary page that may include promotions and advertisements for, and links to, Network Solutions' Web site...'" TechCrunch first brought this NetSol practice to light, and Ars explained how to opt out of it if you host there.

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If there is one lesson that I have learned (5, Interesting)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 6 years ago | (#23036072)

Is that registrars have don't care who has a domain. They will happily forget to send you an email and have your domain expire and sell it to a spammer.

Re:If there is one lesson that I have learned (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23036322)

But. But. But that's the free market self regulating itself!

Re:If there is one lesson that I have learned (2, Informative)

AutopsyReport (856852) | more than 6 years ago | (#23036576)

On the contrary here. I always receive three to four emails from GoDaddy reminding me to renew my domains. These reminders are sent right up until its set to expire. And it's an automatic system, so I don't know a registrar could forget. I know the general consensus on Slashdot is that GoDaddy is not a respected registrar, but I've been using them for years and have no complaints.

Re:If there is one lesson that I have learned (1)

PenguinBob (1208204) | more than 6 years ago | (#23036946)

I have yet to have any issues with GoDaddy either.

Re:If there is one lesson that I have learned (2, Informative)

dosius (230542) | more than 6 years ago | (#23037362)

I use it for both of my domains (usotsuki.info and hoshinet.org) with no issues.

Was pleasantly surprised when their DNS system allowed me to make a round-robin.

-uso.

Re:If there is one lesson that I have learned (1)

Zidane-The-Dom (905967) | more than 6 years ago | (#23036978)

actually, i have to agree, i often simply forget that my domains are going to expire, and the emails have saved my ass more than once. as opposed to other registrars who have been constant causes of nightmare scenarios where domains suddenly stop working and i have people screaming that their email has stopped working (and then they have to endure my little "well, you should have used a better registrar" speech.

Re:If there is one lesson that I have learned (1)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 6 years ago | (#23037732)

I didn't say GoDaddy was at issue.

Re:If there is one lesson that I have learned (1)

courtarro (786894) | more than 6 years ago | (#23038596)

I didn't say GoDaddy was at issue.

Ah, but you did:

If there is one lesson that I have learned ... Is that registrars have don't care who has a domain.

All generalizations are bad! I'll raise my hand in support of GoDaddy as well. If you're thick-skinned enough to ignore all their upsell attempts*, they're a straightforward and effective registrar with good prices. I can't speak for their other services, but as a registrar they do the job and they do it well. Automatic renewals by credit card (if you have them enabled) are a warm security blanket for anyone worried about their domains disappearing. Even if you have them enabled, you get plenty of warning emails before anything disappears.

*I don't mind upselling since those susceptible to it help keep my prices low.

Re:If there is one lesson that I have learned (1)

DreamCoder (679179) | more than 6 years ago | (#23038044)

I'll ditto the others on GoDaddy, I've been using them for 2 years and have been very pleased with their domain management interface. And their domain registration fees are bargains if you avoid all the additional bells and whistles they want to sell you.

Re:If there is one lesson that I have learned (4, Informative)

timeOday (582209) | more than 6 years ago | (#23036632)

Apparently if you use their hosting service, even if you don't let it expire, they can redirect 404's from your website to any site of their choosing! No thanks!

Re:If there is one lesson that I have learned (1)

PRMan (959735) | more than 6 years ago | (#23036968)

As a happy Register.com customer, you can sign up for auto-renew and they will automatically renew it when the time comes (as long as you maintain an up-to-date credit card on your account). Even then, I had them call me on the day of telling me that my card wouldn't go through.

Re:If there is one lesson that I have learned (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23037174)

They also falsely try and get you to renew domains even after you move them - yeah I am talking to you registrar.com

Re:If there is one lesson that I have learned (1)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 6 years ago | (#23037804)

I've had my registrar send several emails to me, and even hold the domain for a certain amount of time after it expired, so that I could renew a few days late.

Yes, they will happily sell it to a spammer, but it also takes almost no effort for them to keep you informed, and they don't really care if you keep it, either. I imagine they'd be perfectly happy selling 100% to spammers now, but it's seriously a "why the hell not" kind of decision.

Re:If there is one lesson that I have learned (2, Funny)

voice_of_all_reason (926702) | more than 6 years ago | (#23037900)

They should just skip the middle step and allow domains to switch hands whenever a better offer is received. Let the free market decide Where I Want To Go Today.

Re:If there is one lesson that I have learned (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23038054)

Is that registrars have don't care who has a domain. They will happily forget to send you an email and have your domain expire and sell it to a spammer.
That is true. I owned a domain with sentimental value since the mid-90's, set on auto-renew, which NS somehow let expire and then sold off. They claimed they sent an email, but couldn't give me a copy of it or tell me the date on which it was sent. I was furious, but since the domain was non-commercial I didn't want to spring for a lawyer. I'm still steaming about it.

Another solution... (-1, Offtopic)

Firefalcon (7323) | more than 6 years ago | (#23036102)

Yeap, opt out by using my web hosting [solutium.net] [/blatant plug]

GOATSE ALERT (-1, Redundant)

cromar (1103585) | more than 6 years ago | (#23036226)

That link is definitely not safe for work.

Re:GOATSE ALERT (2, Informative)

Firefalcon (7323) | more than 6 years ago | (#23036388)

Unless you work at an ISP, I would disagree.

It is not Goatse.

Re:GOATSE ALERT (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23036562)

It's worse - MyMiniGoatseTee. Ugh that's a bad one.

Re:GOATSE ALERT (0, Offtopic)

cromar (1103585) | more than 6 years ago | (#23038346)

Mods, come on. That was a classic troll! I thought maybe I would be forgiven for trolling a spammer, but at least mod me correctly. Here's a hint: this comment is "Off Topic" and to a lesser extent "Redundant." (Who isn't tired of people bitching about mods?)

Fuck I am in a weird mood today.

Anyone who buys from him is a hypocrite (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23036246)

So we have an article about a form of spamming. You reply to this ... by spamming your hosting service. Slashdot isn't your free Classifieds so fuck off, asshole.

Anyone who has ever said they don't like spam and then buys web hosting from this jerkoff is a fucking hypocrite. End of story.

Re:Anyone who buys from him is a hypocrite (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23036316)

Amen, brother.

And if my fellow /.'ers hate spam as much as the parent poster and I, check out my book [amazon.com] . It's well worth a read.

Ok, I kid, I kid.

Re:Anyone who buys from him is a hypocrite (0, Offtopic)

Firefalcon (7323) | more than 6 years ago | (#23036408)

It was partly tongue in cheek - thus the "[/blatent plug]" at the end...

Re:Anyone who buys from him is a hypocrite (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23036588)

A fucking annoying tongue-in-cheek spammer is still a fucking annoying spammer, tongue-in-cheek or not. Have a nice day.

The simplist way to deal with this problem... (3, Interesting)

thegermanpolice (1194811) | more than 6 years ago | (#23036116)

Switch to another provider. Vote with your feet.

The only problem with geeky nerds is they are probably very smelly ones.
I know mine are...

Re:The simplist way to deal with this problem... (4, Insightful)

rob1980 (941751) | more than 6 years ago | (#23036750)

Exactly, fuck companies who do this. If people are using your space which you paid for to advertise their own services, the only way to truly "opt out" is to ditch them.

Alternatives? (4, Interesting)

SpeedyDX (1014595) | more than 6 years ago | (#23037058)

I've been reading about the evils of Network Solutions and GoDaddy and the like. I was wondering if anyone had any alternatives to recommend for anyone looking for a decent registrar?

Thanks in advance.

Re:Alternatives? (2, Interesting)

hardburn (141468) | more than 6 years ago | (#23037128)

PairNIC has always been my choice. However, IIRC, all registers have to go through Network Solutions for .com/.net/.org/.info/.biz domains, so there's a limit to how much "voting with your feet" you can do.

Re:Alternatives? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23038758)

You are probably thinking of the fact that Network Solutions used to be part of Verisign, which runs com and net.

While I believe Network Solutions runs a number ccTLDs for smaller countries, they do not manage any of the gTLDs.

-AC

Re:Alternatives? (1)

btsfh (750772) | more than 6 years ago | (#23038942)

All registrars have to go through Verisign for com/net/name, and a few others (org is someone else now.) Verisign no longer runs a registrar business, Network Solutions was spun back off from Verisign a few years ago, keeping the registry with Verisign, and making Network Solutions just another registrar.

Re:Alternatives? (1)

MaverickSoftware (1271464) | more than 6 years ago | (#23037456)

I use Yahoo for my registrar, and Hostmonster for hosting. Haven't had one problem in 2 years. Hostmonster is easy to get ahold of, and actually know what they're talking about.

Re:Alternatives? (1)

thegermanpolice (1194811) | more than 6 years ago | (#23037536)

I was wondering if anyone had any alternatives to recommend for anyone looking for a decent registrar?
I use webhost4life, Some people have run into tech support issues with them, and I've had a few run ins also on those lines, especially when you work in the UK, and they are based on the pacific coast, but on the whole they are not that bad.

Re:Alternatives? (1)

networkBoy (774728) | more than 6 years ago | (#23037552)

I've had reasonable success with dreamhost.com
FWIW they're going through growing pains at the moment.

Re:Alternatives? (1)

seededfury (699094) | more than 6 years ago | (#23038412)

I use totalchoicehosting.com for all my needs.. for the last 7 years and am very satisfied with price/features/cpanel(this is great)..

Re:Alternatives? (1)

1729 (581437) | more than 6 years ago | (#23038906)

I'm very happy with Site5 (see the link in my signature). They offer dirt cheap hosting with all of the features I need, and their domain registration prices are quite reasonable.

Re:Alternatives? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23038920)

I use pair.com and pairnic.net.

Awesome service, simple interfaces and rock-solid performance. It's by far the best hosting and registrar solution I've found.

Re:Alternatives? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23038956)

I use misk.com, never had any issues, they haven't done anything shitty to me. They also don't pull that $9.99 crap, they just tell you flatly how much it'll cost, $10, $5, etc. That isn't a big thing, but it is just sort of indicative of the things they care about.

Whenever I've had a support request, got it answered really fast.

Just my $0.02.

Re:Alternatives? (1)

wurp (51446) | more than 6 years ago | (#23039142)

Dotster.com has always made me happy. I haven't really used anyone else (other than Network Solutions back when there was no choice), so I can't say whether others are better, but I've had no problems with Doster.

Re:Alternatives? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23039172)

I have used 1and1 for 4 years now. I hear a lot of complaints about them, but have never had any issues myself. I have about 50 domains, a dedicated server and shared hosting. Their control panel is logical (unlike godaddys which is horrible), their prices are low, and my website has never been down in 4 years.

Re:The simplist way to deal with this problem... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23038102)

No, you're supposed to get the government involved, you see.

opt out (1)

Iamthecheese (1264298) | more than 6 years ago | (#23036122)

opt out. opt... out... from now, I am going to boycott any company that does anything "opt out" at all. I encourage all of you to join me.

Re:opt out (4, Informative)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 6 years ago | (#23036350)

opt out. opt... out... from now, I am going to boycott any company that does anything "opt out" at all. I encourage all of you to join me.

Good luck with that. Unless you plan on being fully self-sufficient on an island in the middle of nowhere, you won't be able to do it.

Re:opt out (3, Informative)

Oktober Sunset (838224) | more than 6 years ago | (#23037026)

Well, I'll have you know, I already have full plans for the formation of the new and superior society of nerdtopia.

Re:opt out (1)

op12 (830015) | more than 6 years ago | (#23037860)

I would like to opt out.

Re:opt out (1)

Oktober Sunset (838224) | more than 6 years ago | (#23037870)

You can't opt out, you have to opt in first.

Re:opt out (1)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 6 years ago | (#23037818)

It is, however, worth being aware of. I, for one, will tend towards companies which stick to opt-in, or at least to a choice up front -- and away from companies who require you to opt-out of things.

Re:opt out (1)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 6 years ago | (#23038578)

Oh, I fully agree that it's well worth being aware of just how many rights you potentially give away with each seemingly innocuous action.

Re:opt out (2, Funny)

CogDissident (951207) | more than 6 years ago | (#23037884)

Opt out really is just a "stupid tax". If you're stupid, and don't opt out, then you get screwed.

You're on slashdot, surely you support a "stupid tax"!

Ridiculous prices anyway (5, Interesting)

MisterSquirrel (1023517) | more than 6 years ago | (#23036138)

Having a domain registered with them since 1999, I received a renewal notice... wanting $35.99 to renew for a year. When I called to tell them what an absurd price that was, they said well that's just their regular price, and they would have someone call me back about maybe getting a lower price. I've always hated marketing tactics like that, so I am of course just transferring it to be registered elsewhere. I highly recommend not using Network Solutions as your domain registrar, just based on my own experience with them.

Re:Ridiculous prices anyway (2, Funny)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 6 years ago | (#23036276)

Well, at least they're not scammers like cheaper registrars such as GoDaddy ... oh wait ...

Re:Ridiculous prices anyway (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23036428)

http://www.namecheap.com/ [namecheap.com]

Hope it works out... more Netsol chicanery... (5, Informative)

argent (18001) | more than 6 years ago | (#23036528)

I had to renew my domain with Network Solutions before they would LET ME transfer it, because once they sent that renewal notice they put it in "hold" status... even though it had 3 weeks left. Tucows were great about it and comped me an extra year for the year that Network Solutions forced me to re-up for.

Re:Hope it works out... more Netsol chicanery... (1)

asdfman2000 (701851) | more than 6 years ago | (#23036896)

Actually that's just how domain transfers work. You get a year tacked on when you transfer to a new registrar.

Re:Hope it works out... more Netsol chicanery... (2, Insightful)

SMS_Design (879582) | more than 6 years ago | (#23037820)

No, what Argent is saying is that NetSol refused to transfer the domain to Tucows until he/she renewed with NetSol, paying their inflated price for the domain. This is interesting, and most likely a violation of ICANN rules since the domain was still valid.

Re:Hope it works out... more Netsol chicanery... (1)

Mr_Perl (142164) | more than 6 years ago | (#23038676)

They will make an attempt to trick you into altering (often in my case) outdated info when you log in for the purpose of transferring. If you change the slightest character of the domain information you'll be stuck in a position of not being able to transfer it until the next cycle for "security purposes"

Hopefully they will continue to abuse their monopoly so egregiously that they'll lose it in the end.

Re:Hope it works out... more Netsol chicanery... (1)

argent (18001) | more than 6 years ago | (#23038398)

I mean I got an extra year (two years total) after the transfer.

Re:Ridiculous prices anyway (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23037008)

How have you not been paying that price for the last 9 years? I registered one domain with them in 2000, not knowing any better thinking they were the only legit, not shady, registar (having only ever heard of them and nobody else). Back then I paid that price or something very close to it. About 6 months later, I decided to give GoDaddy a try and was with them until last year when I switched all of my domains to PairNIC.

Old news....... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23036148)

I've known about this for at least 6 months. Stumble off the beaten path on the net, and you'll find all sorts of weird and wacky things are going on. I'm not talking about site content, either...

Are people really not aware that this crap is commonplace with hosting facilities and domain registrars?

Read it even more carefully. (3, Insightful)

SQLGuru (980662) | more than 6 years ago | (#23036162)

'You also agree that any domain name directory, sub-directory, file name or path (e.g.) that does not resolve to an active web page on your Web site being hosted by Network Solutions, may be used by Network Solutions to place a "parking" page, "under construction" page, or other temporary page that may include promotions and advertisements for, and links to, Network Solutions' Web site
(emphasis mine)

So, does that mean that if you register a domain through Network Solutions but have it hosted somewhere else (even your own hardware), they can usurp control over the domain and put this crap out there?

Layne

Re:Read it even more carefully. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23036190)

It only applied if you are hosting on Network Solutions

Re:Read it even more carefully. (5, Informative)

hey! (33014) | more than 6 years ago | (#23036436)

I believe you've got this right.

If you are hosting your own web site, there is no magic whereby NS can reach out and grab a URL and redirect it whereever it pleases. DNS doesn't work that way.

This is only possible if the host in the URL resolves to a NS box, at point your browser hands the URL to the server on that box and the box figures out what to send back. What this amounts to is allowing them to use the 404 not found page to promote their interests rather than yours, even if you are a current, paid up customer for hosting.

Now if we were in the Utopian future of the semantic web, we would need to watch the guardians of that very closely indeed, but DNS falls far short of that.

With respect to subdomains -- that's similar, but a bit different. If you move your domain registration to another service, there's nothing they can do about subdomains. But if you let NS run your DNS service, then they're claiming the right to benefit from things like mistyped URLs that should resolve to YOUR content.

It's not NICE, but it is not nefarious either. What it says is that NS reserves the right to treat its customers in a cheesy way. Well, then the customers should expect something in return. If all things being equal, one vendor stipulates he can grab the benefit of people trying to reach you but failing, and the other doesn't, you should go to the vendor who treats your name service and URL space as belonging to you.

Mod parent up (1)

postbigbang (761081) | more than 6 years ago | (#23036960)

It's a shame that NS has to be watched like a hawk, but they're proven in the past that they'll stretch their agreements to their edge. Of course no one else does this, right? There are the honorable, and the dishonorable organizations and it's getting more difficult to tell them apart. My take of NS (and I left them long ago, but my friends deal with their madness) is that they'll continue to push the edges to gain revenue at the expense of perceived honor. They remind me of telcos in this regard.

Re:Read it even more carefully. (1)

UbuntuDupe (970646) | more than 6 years ago | (#23036296)

I'm completely clueless about making web pages (*turns geek card*) but my reading of that clause is:

"If some URL that stems from your website is not in use by you, Network Solutions can put a filler page in their pointing to a Network Solutions site."

In other words, if I own soggyballs.com, and someone tries to go to soggyballs.com/cereal.htm, and I don't have a cereal.htm, and that link is therefore dead, people will get a page that says:

"That location does not exist. This site is hosted by Network Solutions, blah blah blah, here's a link to our site."

Isn't that standard practice?

Re:Read it even more carefully. (2, Interesting)

corsec67 (627446) | more than 6 years ago | (#23036544)

No, I read that differently. If you own soggyballs.com, this would be if you had used i.have.soggyballs.com, but are no longer using the i.have. subdomain.

The webpage you would get sent to is probably quite like what you described.

Re:Read it even more carefully. (4, Informative)

rockwood (141675) | more than 6 years ago | (#23036398)

they only do this if you use them for DNS. Though once the domain goes inactive, the DNS automatically reverts to their local DNS until the domain is paid and active again. They are also new ventures, even though they will deny it to the end. They've report selling domains for 100k+ - NetSol is so underhanded and full of marketing tricks and ploys that it isn't even funny.

Re:Read it even more carefully. (1)

KillerBob (217953) | more than 6 years ago | (#23038682)

This is why I'm happy that the TLD authority for *my* website is CIRA. They don't pull this kind of crap. They also give every domain holder a vote, and bind themselves to the will of the voting majority on what they do with it. Sure, a .CA is more expensive than a .COM, but it's well worth the extra price, IMO.

Re:Read it even more carefully. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23036568)

thank god no idiot asshat modded this up. you'd look like a complete fool in front of the whole community. seriously? slow down and think about this before you go running your mouth.

Holy Flaimbait Batman (1)

Bane1998 (894327) | more than 6 years ago | (#23038882)

This news story is lame. At least, the presentation of it here. It's worded to make people think this is a registrar-business decision. Like they are somehow fucking with DNS standards.

This is if you host your site on their web servers. Be intelligent and learn to seperate their registrar business from their hosting business. A lot of vhosting providers do funny stuff with 404's and such.

http://omgwtfbbq.cnn.com/ [cnn.com] isn't suddenly going to start being a Verisign ad page. Seeming to imply that's the case is slashdot front-page flaimbait.

Par for the course I suppose...

Why On Earth (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23036174)

Does anyone even bother with the likes of GoDaddy and Network Solutions for their hosting services?

I have worked with a couple of fantastic hosting providers, all of which have excellent service, great pricing and knowledgeable people on their phone support who actually get work done.

www.dayanahost.com

http://luxsci.com

Re:Why On Earth (1)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 6 years ago | (#23037086)

Why Does anyone even bother with the likes of GoDaddy and Network Solutions for their hosting services?

There, fixed that for ya. Obviously somebody bothers or they'd have gone out of business as a host long ago.

I agree with you, I've been using register4less.com as I don't need a lot of space, fifteen bucks a year for registration AND hosting! I have yet to have a single complaint. Back when I had thefragfest.com (lapsed after boredom, someone told me it's a porn site now) I had a 404 which used their 404 page, they told me what I had to do to have my own 404 page. Still using them for mcgrew.info and one other site.

What a bunch of assholes (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23036178)

Dune coons, sand niggers, pure african niggers and other jack-offs. Oh and people who read slashdot, to speak of jack-offs.

Re:What a bunch of assholes (0, Troll)

winkydink (650484) | more than 6 years ago | (#23036446)

Run along now sonny. Your mother/sister is calling you.

This is confusing (5, Insightful)

soarkalm (845400) | more than 6 years ago | (#23036180)

This is a very bad thing. When this happens to me when I browse, it makes me do a double take and try to figure out how I goofed up the URL and ended at a squatters site.

Do your own rerouting? (1)

splutty (43475) | more than 6 years ago | (#23036186)

A good one here would probably be to add a catchall that redirects everything to 'fuckoffnetworksolutions.yourdomain.whatever' where they can put all the advertisements they want..

Just let that one give a 404, and then NetSol takes over from there.

Has anyone tried something along these lines yet?

Shameful (4, Interesting)

Skynet (37427) | more than 6 years ago | (#23036204)

They could make this agreeable to domain owners by making it opt-in and offering a cut of the profits to the domain owner.

The Problem is ICANN (5, Insightful)

ObsessiveMathsFreak (773371) | more than 6 years ago | (#23036334)

ICANN is the root problem here, and in many other issues. Specifically, ICANNs complete lack oversight over registrars. This in itself would not be so bad, but coupled with ICANN's refusal to consider behavior and ethics when accrediting registrars. Incidents like this are eroding peoples faith in the current system, and if it goes on like this other countries will have a very substantial case for removing internet control from US hands.

Ultimately, internet registrars need to have a code of ethics, which they can be held to account over. Some people might call this woolly thinking. However doctors, engineers and yes, even lawyers and estate agents, have codes of practice that they are supposed to abide by and can in theory be held to account over. Registrars need only amass monopolies of scale and pay off ICANN with cold hard cash. Naturally, such a system attracts the most unscrupulous type of practices.

Only two things can break the net as it currently stands. ICANN, and the telecoms. The latter is dubious. If this mismanagement continues ICANN could literally bring about its own demise, and possibly the free internet along with it.

Re:The Problem is ICANN (1)

VGPowerlord (621254) | more than 6 years ago | (#23037338)

As much as I hate NetSol, their hosting service redirecting dead subdomains has nothing to do with them being a registrar. Other hosts, such as Dreamhost or Lunarpages (both, afaik, popular web hosts for small pages) could do the same thing if they controlled your DNS.

Re:The Problem is ICANN (2, Insightful)

samkass (174571) | more than 6 years ago | (#23037656)

But this article says that if you register and host your site with NetSol, they can redirect ALL 404 errors to their spam, even for an active domain. That goes way beyond "dead subdomains".

Re:The Problem is ICANN (3, Insightful)

Bill Dimm (463823) | more than 6 years ago | (#23037418)

ICANN is the root problem here, and in many other issues. Specifically, ICANNs complete lack oversight over registrars.
This isn't s registrar problem, it is a web hosting problem (or a DNS service problem in the case of subdomains) that happens to involve a hosting company that is also a registrar. Planting ads on 404 pages could be done by any (scummy) hosting company. Registrars that don't provide hosting can't monkey with 404 pages. The problem doesn't involve the registration of the domain name, it's the optional services (hosting/DNS) provided after registration where the problem arises, so I don't see how ICANN has anything to do with it. I'm not saying ICANN doesn't have shortcomings, I'm just saying this isn't one of them.

Hosting only (1)

NetPoser (266960) | more than 6 years ago | (#23036344)

This can happen when you use their hosting services

5mod dowMn (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23036380)

documents like a in 4 head sp1nning

Why would anyone expect different? (3, Insightful)

pyrr (1170465) | more than 6 years ago | (#23036498)

If someone signs-on with Network Solutions, it's par for the course. It's just what they do, from domain "tasting", to putting holds on domains people search on, to sending out misleading renewal notices, to other highly questionable practices, they're still acting like they act like they're still the registrar monopoly. Until ICANN decides to smack them down, they'll continue to push the limits.

It's almost like they hold meetings to decide which abusive or sleazy practice they'll see how long they can get away with each month.

All (1)

A.Chwunbee (838021) | more than 6 years ago | (#23036516)

All of you're subdomains, sub sub,
All of you're subdomains are belonging to us.

Thru click, thru click thru click, for great reveunes doing every click!
Thru click, thru click thru click, for great reveunes doing every click!

godaddy has a variation on this (3, Informative)

museumpeace (735109) | more than 6 years ago | (#23036596)

they offer a revenue sharing of sorts...giving you a tiny cut of any click payments from ads lodged on your parked pages. But I think its a scam unless you actually set up tons of parking because you pay godaddy a $4/month fee to join this plan. To date I have made exactly zero money back because I did not specifically set up ads on my "under construction" pages. Its just godaddy taking unearned money out of my pocket.

Not the only one. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23036882)

1 and 1 does it too!

59K-word user agreement!!! (5, Interesting)

GerardAtJob (1245980) | more than 6 years ago | (#23036926)

Network Solutions user agreement - ~59,000 words
Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone - 76,944 words
no comments...

Re:59K-word user agreement!!! (4, Funny)

Fred_A (10934) | more than 6 years ago | (#23037084)

Network Solutions user agreement - ~59,000 words

Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone - 76,944 words
*and* you don't have to buy Harry Potter again every year ! Great value (although not very exciting if you're over 14) !
Still, I'm moving my pages to Hogwarts Hosting !

Can we end this? (3, Insightful)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 6 years ago | (#23037890)

Seriously, there should be a word limit on the amount of legalese you can agree to in a single action, or for a single service.

Bonus if we can make it legally required that every contract have a human-readable summary, similar to the Creative Commons ones. Here's their summary of the GPLv2. [creativecommons.org]

The moral of the story is... (5, Informative)

Bryansix (761547) | more than 6 years ago | (#23036990)

Don't use Network Solutions for anything, EVER

Especially don't use them as a whois service because they will place a hold on any domain you look up that isn't owned and force you to buy it through them unless you just wait a week and then the hold is taken off. My Boss did this and I told him never to do it again. Network Solutions charges more for everything and their customer service and level of service on products is WORSE. So why pay more if you aren't getting anything in return. Just stop using Network Solutions and put them out of business once and for all.

Re:The moral of the story is... (1)

Xtifr (1323) | more than 6 years ago | (#23038850)

Hmm, I have a fragment of perl code that generates a random domain name.

sub randdomain {
    my $len = 4 + int(28*rand); # 4-30 chars
    my @chars = ("a".."z", "-", "0".."9");
    my $name = @chars[int(26*rand)]; # first char is alpha
    while (--$len > 0) {
        $name .= @chars[int(37*rand)];
    }
    $name . ".com";
}


Of course, doing anything with this code that might be considered a Denial of Service attack would not only violate your TOS, but might result in criminal prosecution (for all I know). But hey, there can't be anything wrong with generating a few random whois queries, can there? :)

Awfully nice of you... (2, Insightful)

-Tango21- (703195) | more than 6 years ago | (#23037164)

...since you are going to give me the ad revenues, right guys? I paid for the domain so it's my money right? What? You're not? And you practice front-running on my domain availability look ups? And you charge me 3x the national rate for registrations? Oh, wait, is your business model based on enantiodroma [wikipedia.org] ? Because you're doing a very good job of making yourself extinct.

long and complex user agreements (2, Insightful)

spikenerd (642677) | more than 6 years ago | (#23037336)

People need to realize that there's something unethical about long and complex user agreements, and stop doing business with companies that use them. A good company will provide a simple service and do it well. It won't be easy, because most companies have long and complex user agreements, but this is a shift that needs to happen eventually.

Worst registrar, ever (1)

FLoWCTRL (20442) | more than 6 years ago | (#23037386)

I took over management of a client's domain that was hosted by Network Solutions, and they are by far the *worst* registrar I have ever had to deal with. Their menus are intentionally misleading in order to try to sell the customer more services, and they employ draconian policies to try to prevent you from leaving.

Pretty Sad That... (4, Informative)

1WingedAngel (575467) | more than 6 years ago | (#23037598)

Two different sites with "Tech" in the name and the Slashdot readership haven't managed to figure out this trickery yet.

There are no magic 404s here.

When you set up your DNS with Network Solutions, a wildcard DNS entry is created. It defaults to an ad page (just like every other DNS record with them does).

At that point you have 2 options:
  • Opt out - Any of your DNS records pointing to the ad page will go to a non-ad "Under Construction" page
  • Assign your wildcard record somewhere - Like you should have been doing in the first damn place. "Lern2DNS nub."

While it might not be the most feel-good thing Network Solutions could do with your DNS, don't attribute to their malice what is easily attributed to user laziness.

Why do I feel like I'm on Trolldot today?

Disclosure: I have 1 domain with Network Solutions and 6 with GoDaddy

1&1 hosting does the same (1)

Xest (935314) | more than 6 years ago | (#23037736)

I've noticed they've parked some of my empty domains and subdomains with sedo completely and utterly without my permission.

Whilst I have parked a specific domain with sedo in the past for a very short time I most certainly have never accepted to have anything else parked with them and I'm the type of person that does actually read contractual agreements for these sort of things nowadays due to the constant abuse of customers and their rights via hidden clauses in everything ranging from ISP contracts to MMO contracts nowadays.

what's yOUR's is theirs? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23037802)

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NS just keeps getting better (1)

jasen666 (88727) | more than 6 years ago | (#23037882)

And this is why I run my own DNS... I can point my subdomains wherever I want, unless they hijack or intercept DNS queries.
I'm not with them, I use pairnic, but would my registrar still be able to do that if my server is it's own DNS and holds the master zones for my domains?

Re:NS just keeps getting better (1)

billcopc (196330) | more than 6 years ago | (#23039018)

Sure, they could hijack the DNS onto their own servers and forward requests on to yours. A whois lookup would expose the practice, but how often do you check your own whois record ?

Me, I've had a bad taste for NetSol since the 90's. They've always been up to sneaky shit, this latest story didn't surprise me at all. In fact I'd be more surprised if they suddenly stopped being skeevy.

That, combined with the fact that they charge 1994 prices in the GoDaddy era is all the reasons I need to completely ignore them.

So what's the deal with registrars? (1)

edmicman (830206) | more than 6 years ago | (#23038536)

So Network Solutions sucks, and I'm sensing some hate for GoDaddy, too. I've always used namecheap.com (don't even remember how I got referred to them) but have never had a problem. Prices seemed decent, the interface seemed alright for the handful of times I needed to use it, and I've never had a problem renewing or anything. I've always gotten reminder emails starting a couple months before expiration.

Is there something I'm missing?

And the money they make (1)

aweiland (237773) | more than 6 years ago | (#23038862)

The money they make I'm sure is shared with the site owner. That would only be fair since they are banking off that person's site.

Of course when has netsol every been fair?
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