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Flock Delivers On Promises Post 1.0

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 6 years ago | from the still-listed-under-the-fad-catagory dept.

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Linux.com has a quick look back at the social web browser Flock, now that it has passed the 1.0 hurdle. The main complaint seems to be sensory overload, but there are definitely some interesting tidbits in there. "Version 1.1 really shines in its enhancements to the MyWorld page, including the Friend Activity Feed. Once you've logged into all your social networking services, you can drag and drop messages from one friend to another. For example, if Sally makes a good restaurant suggestion via Twitter, I can drag that message to John's Twitter icon in my sidebar and he'll receive a link to view Sally's message. If a particularly interesting picture comes across my Flickr feed, I can drag it over to a contact on Facebook, and he'll receive a notification to view the image."

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News for Nerds. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23039276)

Stuff that matters. Before I get modded troll, yes this is a good way to get OSS more mainstream but I think the current flow of Microsoft shooting themselves in the foot and the current alternatives of Mac OSX and Ubuntu with WINE is good enough.

Re:News for Nerds. (1)

cromar (1103585) | more than 6 years ago | (#23039862)

While we're still a long way off, the way we interact with computers, especially in the area of communications, is changing drastically. Nerds may not be the people who are going to use all the revolutionary social networking/communication apps that will be coming out, but we will be the ones writing them, designing them, creating them. And I bet you, a lot of nerds will be using them too.

Ugh (4, Funny)

AdamTrace (255409) | more than 6 years ago | (#23039306)

" For example, if Sally makes a good restaurant suggestion via Twitter, I can drag that message to John's Twitter icon in my sidebar and he'll receive a link to view Sally's message. If a particularly interesting picture comes across my Flickr feed, I can drag it over to a contact on Facebook, and he'll receive a notification to view the image"

I just threw up a little in my mouth...

Re:Ugh (3, Insightful)

UberHoser (868520) | more than 6 years ago | (#23039438)

I am with ya bro.

I play WOW, and we have a mage that likes to browse myspace during raids...or even better, click on the wrong chat window..

So we see some raid messages that were not meant for the raid.

OMG !

Personally, I think that too much web social interaction is a bad thing. People are forgetting how to interact face to face.

Re:Ugh (5, Funny)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 6 years ago | (#23039544)

Personally, I think that too much web social interaction is a bad thing. People are forgetting how to interact face to face.


Face-to-face? Is that like when you put your Myspace pic on a page next to someone else's?

Re:Ugh (3, Funny)

misleb (129952) | more than 6 years ago | (#23040156)

play WOW, and we have a mage that likes to browse myspace during raids ...

People are forgetting how to interact face to face.


Irony?

Re:Ugh (5, Funny)

eln (21727) | more than 6 years ago | (#23040306)

Personally, I think that too much web social interaction is a bad thing. People are forgetting how to interact face to face.
Whatever, dude. I met this chick on myspace a couple months back, and ever since then she's been sending me all these great jokes and virus warnings and cool stuff like that. Just the other day, I noticed she had put me as one of her top 8 friends. I'm pretty sure that means we're going steady. If everything keeps going like this, I might even link to her blog on my blog. After that, we're practically married anyway, so it's only a matter of time before she agrees to cyber with me.

Re:Ugh (1)

Omestes (471991) | more than 6 years ago | (#23041008)

Personally, I think that too much web social interaction is a bad thing. People are forgetting how to interact face to face.

I don't know about this. I think you are generally correct, but I don't know if social networking actually makes this better or worse. I would generally disagree that we are worse communicating in person now, or if we just lost all the formalities and rituals that used to be involved with civil conversation, and to a large part some of the nice taboos.

I don't think the interpersonal bit is the only thing hurt. When was the last time you saw a well formatted letter (or email, which in formal cases should follow some of the style guidelines)?

Hell, most of us can't even write a coherent sentence anymore.

Re:Ugh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23043452)

When was the last time you saw a well formatted letter (or email, which in formal cases should follow some of the style guidelines)?
Oh, yeah, I remember the 80's when everybody used to write well-formatted letters to each other . . . in bizarro world. The population didn't lose ability to follow style guidelines, more people just started writing.

Re:Ugh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23039686)

Kewl! Can you send me the video?

Re:Ugh (-1, Offtopic)

middlemen (765373) | more than 6 years ago | (#23039694)

I just threw up a little in my mouth...


Shouldn't you be shooting a little in her mouth after you browse-her ;)

Re:Ugh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23040700)

Finally a facebook / twitter mashup... we can call it a face-twitch!

Adam, this is for you, from another post (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23049808)

http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=518480&cid=23047632 [slashdot.org]

Enjoy, I think it may help you, per the question(s) you asked there.

Now I need to make a Web 2.0 app... (2, Funny)

bistromath007 (1253428) | more than 6 years ago | (#23039378)

Vrapid: dump stuff on the tubes at the speed of light!

All there but one feature, for me (1, Informative)

xrayspx (13127) | more than 6 years ago | (#23039394)

I like Flock, largely because of Flickr integration and the Interestingness media bar, that's pretty addictive.

The main thing that keeps me from using Flock or Firefox full-time is the in-page search. Safari just blows everything away on that, and I don't think it would be terribly hard to add to FF/Flock. Add a total match count, and highlight all by default, and I'm there.

Flock has come quite a way in the last year though, I'll have to give them that, it's not quite as "slap you in the face with every social network ever" as I seem to recall it being, and it's relatively easy to switch from one network view to the next.

Re:All there but one feature, for me (3, Interesting)

Shikaku (1129753) | more than 6 years ago | (#23039436)

Re:All there but one feature, for me (1)

xrayspx (13127) | more than 6 years ago | (#23047798)

Almost, but the really important feature for me is the hit-count for search results. So I may just look at hacking it into Migemo. Shouldn't be too hard since it has to know how many results there are for the highlighting thing. Thanks.

Re:All there but one feature, for me (1)

xrayspx (13127) | more than 6 years ago | (#23051496)

Actually, you know what? No. It's way too slow, and hitting "previous" now does nothing. So nevermind, not that good. It should probably be done elsewhere.

Re:All there but one feature, for me (4, Funny)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 6 years ago | (#23039726)

I like flock because, used intelligently, it can accurately secure files and allow multiple processes to run without having to worry about file corruption or process write violations.

What?

Re:All there but one feature, for me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23042928)

I hate you for making me laugh at that.

Re:All there but one feature, for me (1)

xrayspx (13127) | more than 6 years ago | (#23043862)

Bastard slashdot. New Rule. People who start a thread should have mod points for that thread.

Re:All there but one feature, for me (1)

FredFredrickson (1177871) | more than 6 years ago | (#23040478)

If you press / in Opera and start typing, it does an instant highlight search of all appearances of your search term.

Re:All there but one feature, for me (1)

prod-you (940679) | more than 6 years ago | (#23040958)

If you type / in firefox it'll do an in page search. If you do a ctrl+f you can enable highlight search.

Not bad (1)

rwven (663186) | more than 6 years ago | (#23039434)

While I have no interest in the named services, it's not hard to see that all that is a pretty slick achievement. I like. :)

Re:Not bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23039950)

I love named -- it's one of the most useful daemons running

The REAL news here is... (4, Interesting)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 6 years ago | (#23039488)

... that an open source project released something with a non-zero major release (yeah, Enlightement, I'm talking about you!).

Look, I suppose this is good news for Linux users and all; but in other OSes (*cough" OS X *cough*) most everything is draggable by default. If someone, during a chat, sends me a link to a great restaurant - I can drag it over to another person with whom I'm chatting. I can drag images off web pages onto my desktop, into my email, or into a chat window. So is drag-and-drop really the "killer feature" of Flock, or is there something more substantial?

I dunno, I've never been happy with applications that try to do everything (e.g. Nautilus, Konqueror, Internet Explorer), rather than doing one thing really well; so maybe it's just my biases coming through.

Re:The REAL news here is... (2, Informative)

edmicman (830206) | more than 6 years ago | (#23039692)

Cross-application drag and drop works even? My experience is in Windows, but I'm pretty sure I still can't drag an image from a webpage into a new Gmail email and have it actually embed the image into the email. I don't know if it converts to a link to the image or what. In my experience dragging and dropping media into other apps usually only works well for desktop apps. Dragging media into chat might work....I can't say I've tried it in a long time in Pidgin, but I want to say it would automatically upload an image from my desktop into the chat. Again, I don't know how it works now with trying to drag online media to an app....

Re:The REAL news here is... (1, Insightful)

mmkkbb (816035) | more than 6 years ago | (#23039722)

It's worked in Mac OS for a pretty long time.

Re:The REAL news here is... (2, Insightful)

cromar (1103585) | more than 6 years ago | (#23040020)

A really long time. Mac has always been ahead of the game with drag and drop, it really got rolling with system 7.5 [wikipedia.org] (1994 - damn, ~15 years ago now). Around that time you could start dragging almost anything anywhere and have it do something (possibly) useful. The nice thing about mac clipboard data is that it is abstracted a lot so you basically have a cluster of data/metadata such as URL, image, text, etc. Controls receive the drop event and can deal with the clipboard data in an abstract way (like create a file of the image in its native format, play an audio clip, whatever).

Re:The REAL news here is... (5, Funny)

FredFredrickson (1177871) | more than 6 years ago | (#23040530)

I especially liked how intuitive it was to eject a CD from the drive. Just Drag the CD Icon over the trash.. and..

Wait, that didn't make sense...

Re:The REAL news here is... (1)

cromar (1103585) | more than 6 years ago | (#23041138)

Yeah, that always freaked my mom out. Even after I showed her how it worked, she refused to do it and would instead go to System > Eject for fear of deleting her media!

Extremely unintuitive, but pretty useful nonetheless :)

Re:The REAL news here is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23043614)

finally, the real world has caught up with the mac! You rip a cd, then into the trash it goes!

Re:The REAL news here is... (1, Funny)

Minimalist360 (1258970) | more than 6 years ago | (#23040950)

But, can you drag a sack of SHUT UP into your ASS?

OS WAR!

Re:The REAL news here is... (1)

blhack (921171) | more than 6 years ago | (#23039848)

It works pretty well for me on linux.
The only reason that I ever got flock is because photobucket doesn't offer their own upload client for linux, and their web based one wouldn't work.
If you're trying to upload 1000 pictures to photobucket via their standard upload interface then you fail.
Get flock.

Re:The REAL news here is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23046198)

No, you get flocked!

Re:The REAL news here is... (1)

Z34107 (925136) | more than 6 years ago | (#23042284)

On Windows machines, dragging something to an application is trivial. Dragging something from a program is problematic.

Windows works by passing messages around. Every program has a message queue, and every program has a loop..forever that checks that queue for a message and does something with it (until WM_QUIT or whatever it is comes around.) When you create your window, you just have to mark that you want to receive drag and drop messages.

So, when a user drops something onto your program, Windows sends your program a message. (WM_DROPTARGET, I think, but I'm just guessing.) By default, this message is ignored - go write a handler to make it do something practical.

But... being able to drag something from a program is a problem. Windows lets you drag icons all around everywhere - you can drag a movie file onto the VLC player icon on your desktop, for example, and it'll launch VLC player to open that video. But, to drag something from a program is a problem. I'm sure it's possible, but it's not something I've done before.

Re:The REAL news here is... (1)

SCHecklerX (229973) | more than 6 years ago | (#23039764)

The behavior you describe works fine in pidgin as well. detaching and reattaching tabs is also that easy.

Re:The REAL news here is... (2, Insightful)

Jurily (900488) | more than 6 years ago | (#23040126)

Konqueror doesn't try to do everything, it just embeds the appropriate KPart. And those do one thing really well.

Re:The REAL news here is... (1)

Zadaz (950521) | more than 6 years ago | (#23040288)

Is all it does is send notifications? What the hell is the point of getting a message:

Jose sent you a link from Sally. Click here to view it
when the message is

Sushi Zone, 7:00!
Why not just send the message (or the image or whatever)?

If the point is to streamline social networking they soundly missed the point and doubled the traffic.

Disclaimer: I pretty much despise social networking and it's ilk for taking all of the substance out of interpersonal communication. But they do present interesting interface challenges.

Re:The REAL news here is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23040430)

(*cough" OS X *cough*)

Now, don't mod me down for this. I happen to be buying a Mac, so Mac Zealots begone! (haha, Mac zealots are like vampires, but you use a Mac instead of garlic)

Anyway, My favorite drag and drop behavior in OS X is creating an alias to your Networks sidebar link by dragging it onto the the *poof*...

oops.

fwiw, I think I've only ever tried this in 10.2, because I'm so goddamn mortified of losing the icon on someone's computer that I will never do it again. I think I had to go into the terminal and symlink the /Network/ directory or something. It was bullcrap.

Again, Mac zealot, I'm buying a Mac, so I'm immune to your bullshit. Fuck off.

I don't liek the name (1)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | more than 6 years ago | (#23039610)

Flock. Like a flock of sheeple. I don't want to be a sheep headed for the slaughter. I want the be the Shepard telling the flock where to go, and selectively sheering and slaughtering sheep at my convenience.

Re:I don't like the name (1)

middlemen (765373) | more than 6 years ago | (#23039670)

Birds of a feather flock together.

Re:I don't liek the name (1)

cromar (1103585) | more than 6 years ago | (#23040040)

You must be a lot of fun at parties.

Re:I don't liek the name (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23040146)

People who think they can't be manipulated are among the simplest to trick. The second you divide the world into yourself and "sheeple", you're screwed.

Re:I don't like the name (1)

el americano (799629) | more than 6 years ago | (#23041584)

"People who think they can't be manipulated are among the simplest to trick."

Could you provide some examples? These people annoy me and I'd like to have some fun.

Also, I don't really believe you. While they may be in denial, I think that their obstinance and paranoia makes them a little harder to trick than most people.

Re:I don't liek the name (1)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | more than 6 years ago | (#23042062)

I agree 100%, which is why I'm not one of them. I think I can be easily manipulated, which is why I don't trust myself. or software that provides "easy" access to services notorious for privacy violations. I also don't trust myself to engage in any potentially addictive behaviors.

Re:I don't liek the name (1)

misleb (129952) | more than 6 years ago | (#23040206)

How can you not like the name? The program is called "Flock" and you tell it where to go (which websites). That makes *you* the shepherd. Isn't that exactly what you want?

Re:I don't liek the name (1)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | more than 6 years ago | (#23042036)

It still seems like its trying to control me, rather than the other way around. Its the clippy effect. Sure he was there to *help* me write a letter, but he tried taking too much control. And as a result certain actions were performed that now prevent me from visiting Washington state.

Re:I don't liek the name (1)

misleb (129952) | more than 6 years ago | (#23068228)

What are you talking about? What does Washington state have to do with anything?

In what way is Flock trying to control you? If you don't need to integrate with all those online services, DON'T USE IT. Jesus. It is like buying a 4-door sedan and then complaining that it is trying to control your driving habits because it was only designed to be driven on paved streets. If you want to go off-road, buy a different frieking car!

Re:I don't liek the name... It's a nicer name than (1)

davidsyes (765062) | more than 6 years ago | (#23040984)

"internet exploder"...

new slang? (4, Funny)

SoupGuru (723634) | more than 6 years ago | (#23039732)

Hey baby, mind if I Flock you?
I got Flocked by like 20 people last night.

Re:new slang? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23040046)

Seriously, who gives a Flock!

Re:new slang? (1)

jo42 (227475) | more than 6 years ago | (#23041050)

Hey baby, mind if I Flock you?
"Honey, just go and flock off, ok?" or "Honey, just go and flock yourself, ok?"

Re:new slang? (1)

Cctoide (923843) | more than 6 years ago | (#23041786)

Let's not turn this into a clusterflock now.

Re:new slang? (3, Funny)

barzok (26681) | more than 6 years ago | (#23043756)

Snotty Flocked me twice last night...it was wonderful.

fu^ck? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23040078)

of HIV and Other [goat.cx]

Carefull - Rude plugins! (2, Informative)

apachetoolbox (456499) | more than 6 years ago | (#23040104)

Flock's own extension library has dozens of plugins to choose from, and most resemble standard Firefox plugin fare. Again, I tried about 10, and they worked just fine. The only one that really raised my ire was Me.dium's privacy policy, the company watches too -- and collects, saves, and aggregates your data). I willingly installed the plugin so my beef isn't with its purpose, just with its method. When I installed the plugin, it also installed itself on my Firefox browser as well -- without asking -- and defaulted to on. Privacy lovers, this is not the extension for you.

I'd say that's pretty damn rude of them.

-Copyright Reform [copyrightreform.us]

Friendship (1)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 6 years ago | (#23040180)

"With Flock 1.1, real life friends are now obsolete!"

Re:Friendship (3, Interesting)

yomegaman (516565) | more than 6 years ago | (#23040278)

Cool, I thought I was just a big loser, but it turns out I was an ahead-of-my-time visionary!

Flock website (1)

freedumb2000 (966222) | more than 6 years ago | (#23040812)

I think a link to the actual Flock website would have been appropiate in the summary: http://flock.com/ [flock.com] This is not my kind of toy, but it will be interesting so see if this will take of in the mainstream.

i hated using it (1)

mozkill (58658) | more than 6 years ago | (#23041942)

I used flock for about 2 weeks. It is a nice concept but the browser has serious issues with remembering the pages and sites that you 'allow". EVERY SINGLE TIME I visited Facebook I had to tell the stupid browser to remember the password. Someone needs to fix that. Until then, i consider it worthless.

I hated it when it first came out... (1)

aitikin (909209) | more than 6 years ago | (#23043328)

And I'm currently using it now. I have complaints about it, just like everyone else here.

First and foremost, is the fact that it is a very resource hungry application. Just when Firefox (which is what it's supposedly based on) is getting its footprint down to minimal amounts, Flock starts hitting the streets and uses up as much of my system as anything else I run.

Second, the sidebar seems clumsy to me. I don't know, maybe if I were to use it for 2 weeks or so, I would get over this, but it just doesn't feel logical to me.

Third, and final, why the bloody hell does it automagically add "Favorites" (and call them favorites instead of bookmarks!) when you install it! This is one of the biggest problems I have with winbloz machines as well. I don't go to youtube, so why the hell do I suddenly have a bookmark for it!?

All in all, it's a very nice idea, but, good (insert deity here), why did they make it so system heavy?!

Hey, I like Flock. (1)

Keakealani (1132515) | more than 6 years ago | (#23043838)

Aww, I actually like Flock and recently started using it as my primary browser, and it makes me a little sad to see so many negative comments. I don't care that it makes me sound idiotic and anti-social, I like being able to access my facebook friends, email, photos, and feeds with very few clicks and pretty seamless integration. I mean, I'm not a techy/computer person so maybe I'm screwing a lot of stuff up...but it seems okay to me. *shrug*

Re:Hey, I like Flock. (1)

Snowmit (704081) | more than 6 years ago | (#23044302)

Hey, don't worry, ever since jocks taught us that computers were for social outcasts and our parents kept telling us to "get outside and get some sun", everyone's just sort of internalized the message. Years after computers and the Internet became near ubiquitous in developed countries, nerds still cling to the fantasy that it's still just for us weirdos and we try to keep that true by making nervous jokes about how all these things are for geeks and outcasts.

There may be groups of people who are spending less time face to face than they would have years ago, but for most of us the social networking apps that Flock connects us to aren't replacements for face time, they are enhancements.

We use Facebook, twitter, IM and blogs to publicize upcoming events and we use Facebook, Flickr and blogs to document events that happened. The glue that makes these worthwhile is the time spent actually together having good times.

I ran v1 for a while - it was slow (1)

crazybilly (947714) | more than 6 years ago | (#23051466)

I ran version 1 for a while. It wasn't a bad browser, really. It rendered pages well and, unlike the pre-release versions, most Firefox extensions worked, so you could actually get some useful features in it (remapping keystrokes, etc).

The real problem was that most of the features are pretty much worthless: twitter? facebook? myspace? flickr streams?

I just don't use that crap. I blog. That's it. And you pay a price in performance for all those extra features--it just doesn't run very fast. It's not unbearably slow, just not anything like snappy.

It wasn't worth the price to me--I dumped it like a bad habit.

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