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Name For a Community-Owned Fiber Network?

kdawson posted about 6 years ago | from the community-owned-first-mile-fiber-network dept.

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CleverMonkey writes "I'm a town representative to a newly created municipal group creating a new type of telco. This group has formed to build and operate a FTTH network, and provide both triple-play services and access to other providers, to over 20 mostly rural towns in East-Central Vermont. The project is novel because of the size of the network (a cable pass down every road within 600 square miles), the low-density of the area served, and the public-ownership/private-financing model that is being used. Some of the towns included in this group currently have nothing beyond 14.4 dial-up on a good day. This project began as a grassroots effort in a couple of towns and the name they chose was ECFiber — East-Central Fiber — or sometimes the East-Central Vermont Community Network. We hope that this network will grow beyond one corner of this state, and we would like a name that is both descriptive and flexible. What would you name a community-owned, cutting-edge, G-PON fiber-optic network covering every remote corner of two-dozen contiguous towns?"

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Grassroute! (5, Interesting)

penguin king (673171) | about 6 years ago | (#23050898)

Reflects the grass roots movement and that you're routing traffic down fibre (grass is a fibre!)

Glassroutes! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23051278)

If you're going to go with the pun I'd understate it just a little bit more. Viola, your very own glassroutes!

"The Glass Routes Network" (Re:Glassroutes!) (1)

europa universalis (1081469) | about 6 years ago | (#23051428)

This is what I was thinking. "Glass Route Networking". Something such. Funny, but seriously usable, in my opinion. And memorable.

Re:Grassroute! (1)

statemachine (840641) | about 6 years ago | (#23051618)

Network guy chiming in here: Grassroute may work with those who pronounce it as "root," but in network terms, it's generally pronounced "rowt" (rhyming with chow, not row).

I gave up the former pronunciation because of how most people say router. When I try to say "rooter" I think of Roto-Rooter (and then Dirty Jobs). Because of that, I limit the "root" pronunciation of route to highways where router doesn't apply.

(hmm, reading over the above sounds like a Dr. Seuss book... sorry)

Easy. (5, Funny)

The Ancients (626689) | about 6 years ago | (#23050902)

What would you name a community-owned, cutting-edge, G-PON fiber-optic network covering every remote corner of two-dozen contiguous towns?"


Re:Easy. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23051402)

What would you name a community-owned, cutting-edge, G-PON fiber-optic network covering every remote corner of two-dozen contiguous towns?
Your mom..

Obligatory (3, Informative)

mrbcs (737902) | about 6 years ago | (#23050912)

In Alberta, we call that the SuperNet.

http://albertasupernet.ca/ [albertasupernet.ca]

In Sweden (3, Interesting)

aliquis (678370) | about 6 years ago | (#23051370)

I don't know if it works similair, but here in Ã-rebro/Kumla it's called "StadsnÃt":
http://www.stadsnat.se/ [stadsnat.se]

Simply "Urban network".

The prices are right atleast, I think you can get 10 mbps for 99 sek = 10.5 euro / 16.65 us dollar.

Re:In Sweden (5, Funny)

fluffman86 (1006119) | about 6 years ago | (#23051518)

I hate you.

Need a roomate? :D

Re:In Sweden (3, Informative)

aliquis (678370) | about 6 years ago | (#23051652)

I don't have stadnat, I still have Bredbandsbolaget.

100 mbps down / 10 mbps up for 320 sek / month.

Was 10/10 since feb 2000 or was that 2002? for 200 sek. But then they raised it to 320 sek and offered 100/100 as an alternative for 895 sek or whatever it was with a cap at 300 GB or something and additional payments for each additional 100 GB. Now they don't offer 100/100 longer but 100 down and 10 up for everyone instead.
But personally I think 320 sek are quite expensive, especially since I don't download much stuff and IRC are dead nowadays which was why I needed it anyway.

But then again with cable you only get 256 kbps for 99 sek, so that suck. I hate the guy/team/company/university/whatever which invented xDSL, and especially ADSL. Crappy Internet onnections to everyone!! Hurray!

They should have got fiber to everyone, kill the old copper telephone network, not built any new air broadcasting antennas for digital TV and just run it all over fiber to everyone. DVB looks like shit to begin with, sure it's "sharp", but there are artifacts all over the place.

And now someone will complain that the Internet aren't good for broadcasting, well, then fix that!

Fiber to everyone in Sweden was affordable at around 50 billion sek, stupid politicans which didn't took the plunge.

I have no idea where you live, maybe you could have had fiber in all homes in the USA instead of war in Iraq? ;D

frost psot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23050946)

pipe dream? IPO? Comcast subsiderary?

Bob (1)

techmuse (160085) | about 6 years ago | (#23050952)

I would call it Bob.

Re:Bob (2, Funny)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about 6 years ago | (#23051096)

What, you want it to suck mightily?
Granted, it might be the only former MicroSoft product whose name you could use without getting sued...

Gothic Reference (1)

DaedalusHKX (660194) | about 6 years ago | (#23051410)

"Old camp"

Now seriously, why not call it "Our Net (tm)" ?

Our Net might sound damn good... and give the people paying for it a measure or at least a feeling of some sort of stake in this thing.

Re:Bob (1)

fluffman86 (1006119) | about 6 years ago | (#23051534)

Hey...I really liked MS Bob. Lots of fun for a 7th grader to play around in without screwing up the whole computer. Although I did get in trouble for nearly signing us up for $20/month "Bob Email" service. That's right...no Internet, just email.

Re:Bob (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23051230)

Was that a TitanAE movie reference? Or was I the only person to see that flick.

I've got a good title (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23050968)

How about this:

Vermont's Eastern/Rural Independently Zoned Open Network

I'm sure the name has never been used.

Re:I've got a good title (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23051024)

How about this instead,

shut the fuck up you homo-sausage smoking piece of moldy donkey cum. no one thinks you're funny except the faggots you so meticuliously butt-fuck.


I'd call it.. (2, Interesting)

Pythor (1133919) | about 6 years ago | (#23050982)

It envelopes everything and everyone. The Fiber Optic Gateway.

Re:I'd call it.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23051640)

And just like FOG, if you are in the Internet for too long it can cause you to have an accident!

Good luck! (1)

cromar (1103585) | about 6 years ago | (#23050986)

That is awesome; what a great idea. Please be sure to keep us posted on what it is you all actually end up doing with all that fibre.

As for a name I dunno. Why not something simple and Vermonty like "Red Clover Rural?"

Comedic Ideas (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23051000)

I've got 2 ideas.

1) Backhoes are illegal 'round these parts *sound of shotgun cycling*


2) The Community Headache ;)

You're asking the *INTERNET* to name your project? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23051018)

Enjoy becoming the Astley Network

Never gonna give your packets up, I suppose.

Porn delivery network? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23051020)

High-speed porn delivery network?

A Few Ideas (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23051032)




AReallyReallyReallyRidiculouslyGoodNet or ARRRRGNet

Wireless (mobile) networking? (5, Interesting)

wvmarle (1070040) | about 6 years ago | (#23051058)

14.4k dial-up, wow... how about mobile broadband? Hey even GPRS is faster than this!
And when setting up a community network, I'm also quite sure there are reasonably fast and much cheaper wireless solutions. Not necessarily WiFi (but with strategially placed directional antennas that should do quite well too), but maybe even packet radio like solutions?
Why laying cables in this wireless age in the first place? Cables are expensive to roll out and very hard to upgrade, especially when you are talking about low-density rural areas.
Or what about wireless connections for the backbone, and only wire the last bits to the homes, assuming clusters of homes that you want to connect?

Re:Wireless (mobile) networking? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23051242)

14.4k dial-up, wow... how about mobile broadband? Hey even GPRS is faster than this!
Yeah, I don't really know wtf he's talking about. I live in Southeastern Vermont, right about here [google.com], and I have 6 Mbps Comcast and 1 Mbps VTel DSL for options.

East Central Vermont is right about here [google.com], in White River Junction, one of about 3-4 population centers in Vermont. Much bigger than where I live, and we haven't used dial-up here since about 10 years ago.

Re:Wireless (mobile) networking? (2, Informative)

surgen (1145449) | about 6 years ago | (#23051606)

As a Vermonter I agree that 14.4 is out of touch, we have 56k here.

Re:Wireless (mobile) networking? (3, Informative)

tomhudson (43916) | about 6 years ago | (#23051362)

Why laying cables in this wireless age in the first place? Cables are expensive to roll out and very hard to upgrade, especially when you are talking about low-density rural areas.

Fibre isn't affected by rf interference, sunspots, etc.

Fibre supports much higher speeds, w/o the problems of one person hogging all the bandwidth on an available channel.

It's now really easy to lay even in built-up areas [liteaccess.com]

It's CHEAP!!! [controlcable.com] 12 strands @ $1.30 /foot works out to 11 cents a foot/strand. Even if you only service 12 people with 1000' of the stuff, that works out to $130/person.

Re:Wireless (mobile) networking? (1)

Phaedrus420 (860578) | about 6 years ago | (#23051440)

"how about mobile broadband?" I see you've never been to VT. A lot of people don't like the idea of ugly towers sticking out the tops of their nice Green Mountains, so a lot of people vote No on cell expansion. Figure in the billboard ban, and "Heaven" is just the right word for it.

Re:Wireless (mobile) networking? (3, Informative)

nonades (1053946) | about 6 years ago | (#23051580)

You sir, do not apparently know how Vermont works. We have these things called "Mountains", they block these "signals" you speak of. In most places we're lucky to get cell phone reception (I live in a dead zone a touch south of Rutland).

Whatever you call it, put FFS after it (1)

OMNIpotusCOM (1230884) | about 6 years ago | (#23051070)

Community Owned Fiber Optics Network - COFON ("cough on", or "coffin"). Coffin is kinda cool 'cause then you can be like "Put the final nail in the competition." It does open you to some devious marketing strategies by your competitors though, so maybe not.

If "community-owned" is hyphonated you could be C-FON ("see fun"). Marketing something like "See Fun, See Progress". *shrug*

I got it... Community-owned Light-based Information Transportation Services, or CL-ITS. That's the ticket.

Name it Green-POoN (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23051080)

Not sure how the band 'Grinspoon' would like that though.

rethink public ownership (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23051102)

If you go with public ownership, you're going to run into the same problems many community wifi projects have run into. Interference from telcos at the state and federal government level. They will be all over you, and you will end up wasting funds fending off legal challenges, and lobbying the state government to not pass legislation that would destroy your project.

Instead I suggest the cooperative model that has worked for rural electric providers for over fifty years. A cooperative is a corporation that is owned by its customers. Using a cooperative organization will keep the government out, which I think will be essential to your organization's survival.

Good luck!

This is Vermont (3, Informative)

FranTaylor (164577) | about 6 years ago | (#23051476)

Perhaps in California or Florida your argument might make sense, but this is Vermont we are talking about here. I grew up in that part of the country. There is an enormous sense of community spirit that cuts across town and even state (why isn't Hanover in on this?) boundaries. These are very small communities we are talking about here, so this basically IS a cooperative. You can see it in the way they share school systems, mutual aid for fire and ambulance support, snow removal, and the like. The towns already own their own infrastructure for water and sewer, and in some cases they own their own electrical power infrastructure. They do things for themselves and they don't need the feds or Verizon to tell them what to do. Owning and running their own computer network is not a stretch at all.

Re:This is Vermont (3, Informative)

Telvin_3d (855514) | about 6 years ago | (#23051542)

the GP is not saying that the community is not capable of this. Or that these people somehow need the government or major telcos help to be able to pull it off.

The GP is saying that the telcos, through lobbying and lawsuits and other means, are entirely likely to do all they can to CRUSH this effort. They have a history of similar actions. A suggestion was made that being a cooperative might help provide some protection in the legal sense. It wasn't some sort of backhanded way of saying that the communities involved weren't capable of cooperating on their own.

Re:This is Vermont (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23051650)

This happened to my Father in Idaho actually a few years back. He could have done the contract for 1/4th of the large telcom but a lobbyist in the county (I think that was the level) passed legislation to give the job to the telcom. All the towns people were very upset at the guy, but there was nothing to be done.

Lesson is, even in small states it happens. Watch out.

Re:This is Vermont (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about 6 years ago | (#23051630)

why isn't Hanover in on this?

There are NH regs that currently prevent this model. There needs to be an RSA to permit the town to do it, IIRC, due to the way NH power delegation to the towns is structured. Folks are working on it.

Re:rethink public ownership (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23051524)

They will be all over you, and you will end up wasting funds fending off legal challenges, and lobbying the state government to not pass legislation that would destroy your project.
Remember this is the state that has laws like Act 250 [wikipedia.org], preventing businesses from developing land that would not be aesthetically pleasing or would alter the local habitat. A place where there are no billboards and no 100-ft McDonald's signs. Not exactly a business-friendly state. A corporation suing a VT co-op and winning? Good luck with that. Many of the successful businesses in Vermont are co-ops [wikipedia.org].

Re:rethink public ownership (2, Insightful)

witherstaff (713820) | about 6 years ago | (#23051622)

If you go the co-op route, be sure to have your board stay focused entirely on your original goals.

Electric Co-Ops end up acting like other private entities, spending money on projects outside of electricity. Wild Blue - the ka band satellite broadband service - received 10s of millions from a collection of co-ops. In turn, Wild Blue is offered - and installed by - these same electric co-ops. What satellite service and electricity have in common is beyond me.

Let's see, my local co-op not only sells electricity but also has telephone long distance, internet service, satellite service (Wild Blue Broadband and a directv reseller), propane service, water heater and furnace installation, and I went to a nice dinner meeting where they showed off a hydrogen powered generator a few years ago. This isn't a case of a small company reselling other services for an additional income stream. Most of these are housed at their facility with support staff, installation services, support, etc ran by their employees.

If the end goal of all these other projects was a lower electric fee I'd be happy. My co-op electric fee is no different than at a house which gets power from AEP. It appears to me that they get the bureaucratic mindset and keep finding ways to grow their organization, finding new ways to fund expansion, instead of keeping things lean and sticking to the mission statement.

Maybe mine just sucks - the concept is a good one


wornout (1268160) | about 6 years ago | (#23051110)

It means enthusiasm, energy, vigour. Rhymes with NERVE. Good luck. I wish we had something like that here.

Suggestions (1)

Dr. Eggman (932300) | about 6 years ago | (#23051114)

[The] Technate
ECV Technate
[The] Freeway
Tri-county square route (or whatever instead of tri-)
IV (Internet Vermont, IV as in intravenous therepy)
Cybotiks Inc.
Community Nexus
Nexus Comm
LoComm (local community/communications)
uNet (unit, your 'net, etc.)

I don't mean to be a douchebag... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23051118)

...but are you fucking serious? I know weekends on Slashdot are typically slow, but this is ridiculous. The only thing I don't understand is why this wasn't posted under Ask Slashdot; at least that way I could have filtered it out.

Too Good... (4, Funny)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | about 6 years ago | (#23051120)

I'd call it the 2G2BT network. (Too Good To Be True.)

You don't really think that the incumbent telcos are going to let you survive to complete this, do you?

Blazing Vermont Data Networks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23051122)

OR Blazing VD-Net

CowNet (1)

rhinokitty (962485) | about 6 years ago | (#23051126)

CowNet: Community Owned Wired Net(work)
It is catchy, cute, but not cutesy, and straight to the point, without too much "technical overhead."

Coffin! (1)

citking (551907) | about 6 years ago | (#23051140)

I'd name it coffin.

Community Owned Fiber Network, or COFN (coffin) for short.

It fits because it'll be the death of you!

YMMV - I was not a marketing major.

I'd call it... (1)

iPaqMan (230487) | about 6 years ago | (#23051146)

... a boondoggle. I hope all those VT citizens have a lot of money.

When will people understand that municipalities are inept and couldn't offer a economical triple play if their jobs depended on it. Oh wait, you can't fire government employees for screwing up so I guess there jobs don't depend on it. See the problem here?

First pick the acronym (3, Funny)

BeBoxer (14448) | about 6 years ago | (#23051150)

Pick the acronym first. Then decide what it stands for. Use a 'V', it is Vermont after all. Let's say you go with "VLAN". Vermont Local Access Network. That was easy. Or "VICAR". Vermont Internet and Commodity Access Route. Another easy one. "RAVE". Rural Access for Vermont Enlightenment. See how easy it is? Just remember: Acronym first. Meaning second.

Re:First pick the acronym (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23051470)


Why not keep it simple (1)

zappepcs (820751) | about 6 years ago | (#23051160)

Community Wide Area Network. You might go with Community Metropolitan Area Network but that would lend itself to being called c-man... no good.

Then later, outside of the East-Central Vermont CWAN project, you can add the South-Western Vermont CWAN

I'd stop short of calling it VCWAN in case McCain starts getting flashbacks.

Technically Grid or MAN describe what you are trying to make. Metropolitan Area Network is an old term. You could put an F on the front for Fiber, FGrid or FMAN instead of CWAN...

Finding a name is a good problem to have. Wish they had that problem around here

y0_M_0-m iiojpIDOP ===== fgmopojOOIOWSWIjf (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23051168)

your mother sucsk my cokk beyoatche!!!!

Pipe Dream (1)

Froze (398171) | about 6 years ago | (#23051170)

Of course that is probably not PC enough so maybe somethings like
The InterTube
IP Freely
or, just
The Special Internet Group Network Architecture Layer (The SIGNAL)

OK OK, those are pretty bad, but I applaud your goals and wish you well in your en devour.

Hrmmm news? (1)

definate (876684) | about 6 years ago | (#23051208)

WOW, they are getting really creative with slashvertisements now a days.

What would we call it? A rose by any other name.

Re:Hrmmm news? (1)

cdrudge (68377) | about 6 years ago | (#23051274)

Yeah, because if I was going to advertise a service to a very geographically limited area with about 60k people, Slashdot is the FIRST place I would look to advertise.

Re:Hrmmm news? (1)

definate (876684) | about 6 years ago | (#23051322)

Of course, you make a good point. Although the article states they will be looking for private financing, all of those financiers will live in that geographically limited area, and they could not benefit in the slightest by raising their public profile. Hell, if something like this worked, then you'd have more people doing it, and they'd probably call them Public Relations people, then abbreviate it to something easy to say like PR. Then those fictitious people would probably create "campaigns".

But we're smarter than that, aren't we?

Please note the sarcasm and mockery contained above. It's hard to convey exactly how much I am mocking you and your post at the moment.

Really... you couldn't see any other reason why they would want to advertise their service? Really?

Re:Hrmmm news? (3, Insightful)

rfunches (800928) | about 6 years ago | (#23051558)

Slashvertisement it may be, but it shows just how far some people in the U.S. have to go to get even semi-high-speed networks where they live despite the countless dollars in subsidies given to the telcos for improving network access across the country. Obviously AT&T, Verizon et al. have done so much with the help of subsidies that financiers are trampling each other like gold miners to get in on the Vermont market.

Pick a dumb name (3, Funny)

menace3society (768451) | about 6 years ago | (#23051266)

I would call it IntarWeb, or Interbutts, or some other dumb slang word for the internet, and then go around and sue the pants off everyone that uses it online. This way has three advantages:
1 - you have a lot of built-in name recognition
2 - you have an extra revenue stream from suing idiots
3 - you will force said idiots to stop using at least one dumb slang term, the whole world benefits!

Internet insurance? (1)

jimjohnson (715479) | about 6 years ago | (#23051286)

From their website "we can insure that the most modern high-speed service is available to ALL residents of central Vermont towns." I wonder how much insurance like that costs? I'd like to get some for my Internet connection. :)

Conduit (1)

Belial6 (794905) | about 6 years ago | (#23051344)

Since you are already going to be digging, you should really consider putting down large conduit, much like sewer pipes. Yes, it would be more expensive, but when you are done, you would have the benefit that upgrading would be dramatically simpler. You could also rent out the space to anyone that wants to run their own data lines. While the idea is that you will offer the data lines yourself, having the backup plan of being able to offer citizens multiple data lines from different sources would be a huge boon. Plus, local industry would be able to rent space to have their own dedicated lines for intranet service between location without having to re-dig up the road system. The just pay their monthly fee, and have someone pull the lines for them. This should also help with some of the fears associated with a government agency trying to be an ISP. If it really sucks, other players can come into the market. After all, the biggest roadblock to competition in data delivery is the cost of digging up all of the roads, and the right of way issues.

How about.... (1)

VonSkippy (892467) | about 6 years ago | (#23051462)

BTF (Bound to Fail)

Sounds like another doomed municipal project using fiber instead of wifi.

Sorry to be the nay sayer, but come on, how many times have we heard this same wishful thinking before? They always have a "great" plan, a so-so business model, and lots and lots of town meetings were everyone agrees it's a great idea right up to the point where they have to start ponying up some real funds.

I would name it... (1)

Ihmhi (1206036) | about 6 years ago | (#23051464)

...Silk Road, to emphasize the point of connecting many people who are far apart for the betterment of them all.

Re:I would name it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23051498)

The People's Republic of Fibre

Pardon (1)

certain death (947081) | about 6 years ago | (#23051548)

if this has already been said...but how about "A Fucking Pipe Dream" ?!?!? What a genuine waste of freaking money! How many people do you actually think will pay the price, or actually care? Are you trying to attract new residents, or ??? For the sake of all that is holy, spend the money on something that is actually innovative, and quit with the rural bandwidth!!!

woah, wait a second (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23051616)

I'm in east-central vermont. why haven't I heard about this yet? We're still stuck on DSL, and I have friends a mile away who are still on dial up because Verizon and GMAVT don't want the expense of covering their area for the relatively small added customer base.

Batshit Crazy is where my vote is going. (1)

t3rror (776207) | about 6 years ago | (#23051624)

How about ironing out the technical and financial details before worrying about something so important as a name? Maybe you are coming back next week to ask for out help on that. Honestly, how screwed is this project if they can't even come up with a fucking name.

Server Too Busy (0, Troll)

newr00tic (471568) | about 6 years ago | (#23051634)

Every site you moderators link to from the front page is "Community pwned;" - The name would be 'Server Too Busy..'

(And you cocksuckers [readers] need to get over and away with your fears of semicolons and shit; fucking faggots you be..)

FUBU (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23051648)

For UnBearable Users

wrong place to ask for names (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#23051654)

pretty sure whatever you come up with will be scooped, registered, and trademarked before you can even begin to get your shit straight.

If your community is made of Slashdot members... (1)

Youx (988716) | about 6 years ago | (#23051666)

...I'd say omG-PONies would be a fairly good name.
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