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Netscape Communicator 4.72 Released

Hemos posted more than 14 years ago | from the go-out-and-download-it dept.

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Quite a number of people have ants in their pants over the latest release of Netscape Communicator. This latest release, 4.72 to be exact, can also be grabbed through their Web site. Here's to hoping it's more stable than my current release. 'Course, Mozilla's getting really really close now...

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Haven't... (1)

jawad (15611) | more than 14 years ago | (#1250949)

Haven't the last few releases of Communicator been just throwing more crap into the package? Little has been done since Navigator 4.08 has been released...

anyone know of the changes? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1250950)

whats the diff? ;)

doh! (5)

Caspuh (105645) | more than 14 years ago | (#1250951)

I was going to post a more insiteful comment, but then Netscape crashed.

RPMs? (2)

Robotech_Master (14247) | more than 14 years ago | (#1250952)

What I want to know is, when will the netscape-common & netscape-communicator RPMs for Red Hat be out? Why do they always lag behind the "official" releases, anyway?

first post (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1250953)

whats the point of bugfixing the communicator, it's already bloat enough .. what did they add, some new button perhaps ?

Re:Haven't... (1)

rcw-work (30090) | more than 14 years ago | (#1250954)

Haven't the last few releases of Communicator been just throwing more crap into the package?

Yeah, but at least you can disable the Netscape Shop button and the Communicator Radio.

Really peeves me that you can't get Navigator &gt 4.08. Oh well, even if they don't ship Mozilla like we want, it can be pared down easily enough. :)

Mozilla?? What are you smoking? (4)

SETY (46845) | more than 14 years ago | (#1250955)

Mozilla might be getting close for some people, not for me.
It still has a long way to go. Netscape will crash about once an hour for me when I am doing heavy web browsing.
My longest Mozilla uptime is 5 minutes. No joke. Slashdot is the only site I can use with it. www.deja.com main page crashes it right away.
I'm sorry, but Mozilla isn't useable for me. I remember the early Netscape betas years ago and they wer not this unstable.
And yes I submit bug reports.
I wish all the mozilla developers good luck, but its a long road ahead to the point where Netscape is replaced.

Interesting (2)

slashdot-terminal (83882) | more than 14 years ago | (#1250956)

I really hope that this works as well as other releases. I have seen less and less of Netscape lately but this could be something of a turning point.

seems ok, relatively stable (2)

dlc (41988) | more than 14 years ago | (#1250957)

preliminary testing on linux 2.3.45 seems pretty stable (standalone version). so far i can't really see any differences, other than the fact that it isn't crashing and freezing my X server.

darren

Re:Haven't... (1)

Axiom_D (153003) | more than 14 years ago | (#1250958)

Well, the problem is, there is so much junk on the internet and IE supports almost all of it.

Netscape has got to keep up and try to implement the same features. Personally, I don't use or want most of them as they tend to slow down surfing speeds. But if they don't keep up, they'll lose even more ground to IE.

Axiom

Netscape has SOCKS, Mozilla has ...? (3)

tjwhaynes (114792) | more than 14 years ago | (#1250959)

Yes - I've already downloaded and installed 4.72. Why? Because I'm fed up with having the 4.71 browser flake out every day or so with another error. So far, so good - nothing has died yet :-)

I've been tracking the Mozilla Seamonkey Milestones since M11, and it seems to be stabilizing up nicely but I'm stuck with using it for browsing behind the firewall at work because we use a SOCKS proxy to the outside world. Alas, as far as I can see this is not supported in Mozilla yet. Anyone have any clues on this one - what is needed to persuade Seamonkey to use the SOCKS proxy? Or does some SOCKS expert wish to sign up for this post on the Mozilla team? It was empty last time I looked.

Cheers,

Toby Haynes

P.S. If I see any posts with the title 'Shoes?' following this one ... :-)

Question (1)

ShelbyCobra (134614) | more than 14 years ago | (#1250960)

Does anyone know how to disable that annoying SmartDownload thing that forces me to look at ads while I download files?
This is perhaps the most annoying feature of the previous version.

too little, too late (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1250961)

netscape's browser has been a piece of poo since 4.5......the lack of backward compatabilty in the javascript interpreter has been an endless headache for anybody that does front-end work. as bad as i hate M$, it cannot be argued that ie's browser is (and has ben) FAR superior since 4.0.....the slowness of the rendering engine alone made me switch a year back. lets hpoe mozilla gets it right.

Re:Haven't... (1)

hey (83763) | more than 14 years ago | (#1250962)

I heard there's an easy way to remove the stupid "Shop" button - does anymore know how?

Re:Haven't... (1)

Lxy (80823) | more than 14 years ago | (#1250963)

More or less, yes. More crap, more bugs, less browser IMHO. I'm still running 3.04 Gold as my default browser, I find it to be the most functional with the least amount of bugs. Nav 4.07 is decent but the whole Communicator series killed Netscape for me. Mozilla is in Alpha, go open source :-)

gifs (1)

grarg (94486) | more than 14 years ago | (#1250964)

But will it show gifs properly, this is the question. /. looks particularly stoopid with all these little black blobs all over it. Or am I the only one who had trouble with 4.7 on NT?

Netscape rarely crashes... (2)

Psiren (6145) | more than 14 years ago | (#1250965)

... at least for me. I'm running Netscape 4.7 (browser only, Communicator is huge and pointless, other tools do a better job) and its not crashed on me in months. I have had to disable Java though. Not that thats particulalry upsetting for me...

Bottom line: Browser only without Java is pretty stable.

most stable? (1)

nicedream (4923) | more than 14 years ago | (#1250966)

We all know that Netscape for Linux is buggy and crash prone. Has anyone found out which (if any) of the linux versions is the most stable?

The "supported" linux20_glibc2?
The "unsupported" linux20_libc5 or linux22?

Is the unsupported freeBSD version any better than Linux versions?

I need as much stability as I can get. Turning off Javascript helps, but it really isn't a very good solution.

Release notes (5)

AT (21754) | more than 14 years ago | (#1250967)

The release notes are here [netscape.com] .

Quick summary:
  • Global IME support: users of Windows 95, 98 and NT 4.0 can now download Global IME modules that enable input of Chinese, Japanese, and Korean characters into mail messages and web forms. For more information on using Global IME under communicator, choose International Users from the Help menu. Windows 2000 users should use the fonts and IMEs available on the installation CD. If you're running Windows 98, just select the Windows Update icon in the Start menu. From there, select Product Updates, and download the language support and IMEs you wish to use.
  • User agent support for Windows 2000

here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1250968)

heh, i'm gonna answer my own question... here@netscape .com [netscape.com]

HOWTO (4)

Jikes (123986) | more than 14 years ago | (#1250969)

Keep Netscape/Unix From Crashing Like the Overextended Hack Job Piece Of Crap Code It Is - HOWTO

1) Your distro manufacturer may have packaged netscape incorrectly. See their site for details or upgrades.

2) Turn off Cascading Style Sheets (Style Sheets) support in your preferences. It generally doesn't work well at all and really isn't all that necessary. And IME it makes NS crash. A lot.

3) Turn off Java. Turn off Java. Turn off Java.

4) Turn off Javascript if you don't use somewhat sophisticated sites.

5) Don't invoke mystery components like Messenger and Composer and all that crap unless you actually need to use them. They tend to suck a bit.

6) Feed it lots and lots and lots of disk/memory cache, or none at all.

7) Upgrade. 4.7x is much nicer than previous 4.x releases on all platforms, IME.

-------------------------

This is just my experience. With these changes, NS tends to stay up for a few days for me, as opposed to an hour or less previously.

Take this at well less than face value.

Re:Question (1)

grarg (94486) | more than 14 years ago | (#1250970)

Still kind of handy when your ISP spontaneously and frequently decides to drop your connection though...I'd never have got 4.5 otherwise (lucky me) :-)

Re:too little, too late (2)

Lxy (80823) | more than 14 years ago | (#1250971)

I agree whole-heartedly that IE5 is in every aspect superior to Netscape Communicator. I just don't like IE5 putting its fingers in places it shouldn't be.. like on my server!!! In terms of a latest and greatest web integration tool, IE5 beats Netscape. I use Netscape only for the fact that I install a browser, and I get a browser. Not a "whole new computing experience".

java (1)

kapper (133093) | more than 14 years ago | (#1250972)

I haven't used netscape much lately, whats the status on Java in this new version? straight by plugin, or still including their own version?

Re:Release notes (3)

philj (13777) | more than 14 years ago | (#1250973)

Don't forget:

"Netscape Communicator with 128-bit strong encryption is now available worldwide"

(with the exception of a few countries that
America hates)

Saves having to use Fortify instead.

Re:RPMs? (2)

arthurs_sidekick (41708) | more than 14 years ago | (#1250974)

I'm not sure I understand the question ... I mean, isn't it obvious that RH doesn't make communicator and that they have to put the RPMS together themselves from the tarballs Netscape makes available?

Disabling shopping button.. (5)

Joseph OConnor (37300) | more than 14 years ago | (#1250975)

Put this line in your preferences.js file:

user_pref("browser.chrome.disableMyShopping", true);

Still no good fixes (1)

Dysan2k (126022) | more than 14 years ago | (#1250976)

I saw the release this morning earlier and I checked ye olde' changelog. Still there's no real fix for the uncountable java problems that I have with Netscape under Linux. In fact, this morning I just went and grabbed the latest Milestone of Mozilla. It's usable, but still buggy. (For instance, the area around this reply textbox is totally black). I'd just as soon contend with this since Netscape just hasn't really fixed the bugs it needs to IMHO.

If you're wondering which java problem I'm referring to, some of the banners on Freshmeat will crash Netscape. Most evil!

4.72? No thanks... (2)

MrHat (102062) | more than 14 years ago | (#1250977)

I've been royally pissed at Netscape ever since they added the stupid "Shop" button in 4.6. "Shop" differs from "Stop" by one letter - and they put it right next to the "Stop" button. At 1600x1200 with text-only toolbars, I can never tell the difference between the two.

Every time I try to kill a loading page, I find myself whisked away to some "Netscape Store". Sheesh.


43rd Law of Computing: Anything that can go wr

Re:Mozilla?? What are you smoking? (1)

blackc (22681) | more than 14 years ago | (#1250978)

Of course you reported you problems to bugzilla.mozilla.org, didn't you? Mozilla guys are pretty responsive especially to crashes.

Re:Question (5)

zilym (3470) | more than 14 years ago | (#1250979)

I just don't use Netscape for downloading files now. What I do is right click the download link, copy link to clipboard, open an xterm, and then use wget to download the file. That way, if netscape crashes (like it always does), the download is unharmed. Plus, wget is smarter than netscape. If the server isn't letting anyone in at the moment, wget keeps trying. If the connection gets dropped, wget keeps trying and will resume where it left off as soon as it can get reconnected.

Re:too little, too late (1)

grarg (94486) | more than 14 years ago | (#1250980)

This brings back fond memories I have of finally purging IE3 from the C drive and suddently getting "access denied" messages from the Temporary Internet Files folder...at least Netscape keeps itself to itself in one tidy folder and doesn't sprawl all over your stuff like the house-guest from Hell...

Re:Netscape has SOCKS, Mozilla has ...? (4)

Gerv (15179) | more than 14 years ago | (#1250981)

Is this what you want?

Some Reasons To Try Out A Nightly Build [mozillazine.org]

Gerv

Re:gifs (1)

north.coaster (136450) | more than 14 years ago | (#1250982)

I'm running Netscape 4.71 on NT and have no problems with /. It sounds like you have a config problem. /Don

You can get all browsers... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1250983)

You just have to know wherre to look. All of the verification certificates expored in the older software. For "demo" or "testing" go get the older browser versions off of: http://download.cnet.com -Dante

Navigator is still 4.08!??? (4)

eriks (31863) | more than 14 years ago | (#1250984)

Looks to me like Navigator (The only useful part of Communicator IMO) is still 4.08... which has been out for months... Unless they actually modified it and didn't change the version number.

Re:4.72? No thanks... (2)

sterwill (972) | more than 14 years ago | (#1250985)

You could just hit "Escape" instead.

--

What's New? Who knows? (2)

GeekLife.com (84577) | more than 14 years ago | (#1250986)

Well, besides this:

As of Netscape Communicator 4.72, Enterprise Calendar is no longer included with your download.

I don't see any What's New section. It's amazing how hard it is to find any information about Navigator on Netscape's home page.

Re:4.72? No thanks... (5)

Junta (36770) | more than 14 years ago | (#1250987)

There are plenty of criticisms that are valid against netscape, and the shop button seems silly to me too, but your criticisms are a bit unjust. If your resolution makes things unreadable, why use it? it seems counterproductive.

Be gald that the buttons can be disbaled. Since no one has posted how in this thread, here it is, straight from my .Xdefaults:
Netscape*toolBar.myshopping.isEnabled: false

That's it.
To disable the search/my netscape, and add a Find button:
Netscape*toolBar.destinations.isEnabled: false
Netscape*toolBar.numUserCommands: 1
Netscape*toolBar.userCommand1.commandName: findInObject
Netscape*toolBar.userCommand1.labelString: Find
Netscape*toolBar.userCommand1.commandIcon: Find
Netscape*toolBar.search.isEnabled: false

AOL Takeover (4)

Tassach (137772) | more than 14 years ago | (#1250988)

The quality of Navigator/Communicator seemed to be going downhill long before AOL took over Netscape; the fact that 95%+ of the original Netscape programming staff left after the takeover isn't going to help any. Given the quality (or lack thereof) of AOL's software, I shudder to think about the future of Navigator. I really don't want to have to switch to M$ Internet Exploiter, nor would I want to see a Navigator dumbed down to the level of the AOL client.

Communicator 4.7 is pretty stable for me under NT, but I have pretty robust hardware (Athalon 550/128MB); it seems much less stable under Red Hat on my K6-II/400. My main gripe is it's speed; it seems to take forever to render a page, even on my Athalon. My other major gripe is that the email and news facilities are annoyingly primitive for such an otherwise mature program. (Plus, PGPFreeware dosn't have a Netscape plugin)

I havn't had a chance to play with Mozilla yet; but I'm looking forward to seeing the final release. Hopefully Mozilla will fix a lot of the annoyances of 4.x

"The axiom 'An honest man has nothing to fear from the police'

Re:Huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1250989)

disapearing stories and typos have been around /. for a long time. I was hoping all their new money might buy them some copy editors and some other chimps to run editing, but I guess not. Hey /. keep doing the same work, but hire some lackeys to do the crappy uninteresting work, like editing and consistancy.

Re:gifs (1)

grarg (94486) | more than 14 years ago | (#1250990)

College account, floating profile, but then there's a lot of stuff screwed up on these comps, not least of which is the sysadmin's insistence of running setiathome by default in the background of every machine!

Not like I have a choice of browser anyway; IE was dumped from every computer in our college when they ditched 95 for NT (boo..no more nuking) but discovered that IE5 had a little problem as regards temp internet files eating up user profile caches. Upside of this: "This program has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down".

Very fucking irritating...

ohh.. Howto, are you a crack baby? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1250991)

Howto: What on earth are you talking about? "Turn off javascript" "Turn off java" "Turn off CSS" etc. Man, why don't you just go download an old version of Masaic 1.0 and cruise around for a little while... real cool huh? The web is a visual and stylistic medium for better or for worse. The days of the traditionalist "text based" web are dead, get used to it. If, as you suggest someone performed these actions they would not be able to: - use 50% of the navigation out there - purchase goods at 90% of the sites out there And all around would have a fairly miserable experience. Thr problem isn't the technology or the conventions, they don't make the browsers unstable. What makes the browsers unstable is that fact that they (ms and nn) haven't rebuilt their basic engines in YEARS. Hell, mozilla hasn't rewritten the kernel EVER (waiting for m14) Additionally, what we REALLY need is a frigging death squad to back up the w3 and send the fear of god into nn and ms. If those companies didn't branch off in the 4 level browsers with their "proprietary spec versions" we couldn't be facing the incompatability and instability issues we have today. *grumbles* But then again, I'm just an:

Navigator beyond 4.0x (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1250992)

It's there. It's not hard to find either. There are like 3 versions of it available too.

The filenames:

navigator-v472-export.x86-unknown-linux2.0.tar.g z
navigator-v472-export.x86-unknown-linux2.2.tar.g z
navigator-v472-export.x86-unknown-linuxglibc2.0. tar.gz

Re:HOWTO (2)

Gleef (86) | more than 14 years ago | (#1250993)

Jikes wrote:

[snip]
7) Upgrade. 4.7x is much nicer than previous 4.x releases on all platforms, IME.


I've found 4.61 much more stable on both Linux and Windows than 4.7, and it's not as if you really need that "Shop@Netscape" button. I haven't had 4.72 long enough to have an opinion about it.

----

FreeBSD NS v. Linux NS (3)

mosch (204) | more than 14 years ago | (#1250994)

The Linux NS is much more stable than the FreeBSD NS (scary, eh?). I'm posting this from Linux NS running on FreeBSD 3.4, a common enough option that there's actually a port for linux netscape in the freebsd ports collection.
----------------------------

Thought it was me. (2)

mong (64682) | more than 14 years ago | (#1250995)

Slightly offtopic...

On the FIX [www.fix.no] BBS I recently posted this:

"The problem has oocured in versions 4.6 and 4.7 on Win95, Win98 and NT.
Sometimes, Netscape doesn't allow you to follow links. Like, the pointer will change to the "hand" when you move over the link, but a click doesn't do anything.

The only way to solve the problem is to reboot windows. It's very strange. It's happened to me regularly for about 6 months, I can't be the only one?

I'm considering reporting it to Netscape.

Mo.
"

I got the following within a few minutes. Come on NS! I'm using IE5 now - it's better, a lot better!

"No, I experience the same thing. Except that sometimes, a click *does* do anything, even when the mouse pointer isn't in hand shape."

"I've experienced this with Netscape for Linux. It only happens when I have two or more windows open at the same time, and another one (than the one I'm clicking in) is trying to load something. If I cancel that load by hitting ESC,things usually "pop" back into working order. Usually, I say, but it's only happened to me two or three times."

"Have the same problem (Netscape 4.6 on Linux and also on Digital UNIX 4.0D), but: It even happens, when there's only one window. And it doesn't change back, only restarting of Netscape is a cure.

Seems to be a coded feature. :)
"

Really NS - Can we have our favourite browser working properly in it's next release? You know? Links, that can be followed?

Mong.


* Paul Madley ...Student, Artist, Techie - Geek *

Coincidence or Conspiracy? (4)

GeekLife.com (84577) | more than 14 years ago | (#1250996)

I headed over to Google and searched for "Netscape Navigator 4.72" [google.com] ... Check out who comes up 1st (and 2nd, and 3rd, and 6th) with Netscape.com nowhere to be seen.

Fixed the JS/CSS bug? (2)

barzok (26681) | more than 14 years ago | (#1250997)

Have they finally fixed the bug where turning off JS disabled CSS even if you have CSS enabled?

Re:Netscape has SOCKS, Mozilla has ...? (3)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 14 years ago | (#1250998)

Mozilla has had socks support for a while now, you can setup proxies manually by editing the prefs50.js file. Also in the new nightly builds I believe its possible to configure proxies in the mneus. Well m14 should be out any day now, so you can wait untill then if you want.

Re:Cherchez la moolah (1)

unitron (5733) | more than 14 years ago | (#1250999)

Actually the disappearing story didn't become a regular feature until money started heading Slashdot's way, around the time of the Red Hat IPO.
Anybody besides me feel like there's a considerable difference between pulling a story and explaining why and just "disappearing" it?

Re:Mozilla?? What are you smoking? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1251000)

Gee, you mean like iframes? They had them working in m12, but broke them in m13. With all the back and forth it doesn't matter how many bugs you identify.

Hey, but at least the tag works!!! (Not html 4.0, but who's counting???)

Re:RPMs? (2)

cmg (31795) | more than 14 years ago | (#1251001)

Probably because they get the new release around the same time you see it on slashdot and they probably have to do some amount of quality testing on it before redhat releases a package.

If redhat had official updates before say, debian, can you imagine the amount of complaints netscape would get?

Re:MEEPT!!!!! (1)

unitron (5733) | more than 14 years ago | (#1251002)

Hope this is the return of the one, true, original MEEPT!!!!!

Re:Question (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1251003)

If you use Gnome you can drag and drop the URL into a terminal instead of copying to the clipboard etc. I would guess that KDE also allows drag and drop from Netscape.

Re:Thought it was me. (1)

drwiii (434) | more than 14 years ago | (#1251004)

Sometimes, Netscape doesn't allow you to follow links. Like, the pointer will change to the "hand" when you move over the link, but a click doesn't do anything.

As far as I've been able to pinpoint, this is some sort of problem relating to JavaScript. Every time this has happened to me, JavaScript was lurking around on the page.

There's also a bug related to Java which causes the netscape process to not exit when you close all of its windows.

Re:Thought it was me. (1)

cperciva (102828) | more than 14 years ago | (#1251005)

I have had this problem with 4.08, and it looks to me like it is the result of having orphaned threads lying around. (this in under both 95 and 2000).
Sometimes when I exit netscape, it doesn't close down all its threads, and I can still see the process "running" even though all its threads are frozen. When I open up netscape again it creates a new window under the old process, but then can't load pages because all its page-loading threads are stalled.
Until I noticed the zombie netscape running I always rebooted to solve this problem, but now it seems fine if I just kill the process from task manager.
I don't know if this is the same problem, but try looking for zombie threads.

Strong Encryption? (1)

Zefram (49209) | more than 14 years ago | (#1251006)

Anyone else having problems downloading the strong encryption version? Seems like they're not only have problems with the stability of the browser, but with basic server adminstration. The redirect script that figures out where you're coming from... isn't there. Fun.

Well, at least MEEPT!!!!! is back. I can rest easy. But, seriously, someone needs to compete in the browser market.. IE is becoming a much better product. What other browsers are there? The only one I can thing of is Opera, but it's lacking in too much functionality. I haven't played around with Mozilla yet.

Re:Question (1)

GoofyBoy (44399) | more than 14 years ago | (#1251007)


Would junkbuster filter out the ads?

www.junkbuster.com

Re:Navigator beyond 4.0x (1)

rcw-work (30090) | more than 14 years ago | (#1251008)

It's there.

...but not for all platforms.

Re:Thought it was me. (1)

mong (64682) | more than 14 years ago | (#1251009)

Makes perfect sense, it's pretty much what I guessed. Wish I'd thought to kill the process, instead of rebooting.

Thanks.

Mo.

* Paul Madley ...Student, Artist, Techie - Geek *

Re:Fixed the JS/CSS bug? (2)

hanche (3008) | more than 14 years ago | (#1251010)

Have they finally fixed the bug where turning off JS disabled CSS even if you have CSS enabled?

Not likely. That particular bug, after all, is there because CSS support is implemented by translating CSS into javascript. Hence, turning off the latter turns off the former.

We should expect this silliness to end with Mozilla, of course.

Re:Mozilla?? What are you smoking? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1251011)

I'd have to ask you what _you're_ smoking. Mozilla is considerably more stable than Netscape 4.7 here.

Platform support (5)

The Man (684) | more than 14 years ago | (#1251012)

Netscape/AOL's choice of platforms to support makes no sense to me. Figure this: Linux 2.2 is the current version; most people have stopped using 2.0 by now. Libc5 hasn't been supported by its authors in almost three years. So why is it that the Linux 2.2/glibc version is a) still unsupported, and b) linked against not-even-current versions of those libraries, especially when they still support 2.0/libc5???

As if that weren't sufficiently annoying, there's not been a Linux/SPARC version since 4.51, but there are five Solaris versions. Of course, none of those are for current versions of Solaris either. All this, of course, would be excusable if they didn't have any systems to build on or they weren't going to support oddball platforms (I will admit that Linux/SPARC is marginal, though it has multiple supported distributions and a growing user base), but then why oh why are there two SINIX builds??? Most people don't even know WTF SINIX _is_, much less have it.

The point? It doesn't seem like Netscape understands what people are actually using today. If the objective is to be compatible with as much as possible, then not having up-to-date Linux builds for at least Intel, SPARC, and Alpha makes no sense. For that matter, they don't even claim to support Solaris 7 or 8. 2.5.1 is itself archaic. If the objective is instead to support only the most popular platforms, then I certainly don't see the need for five Solaris builds, two AIX builds, anything related to SINIX, or a Linux 2.0/libc5 build. The obvious platforms to support would be Solaris 7, Linux 2.2-intel/glibc, the latest AIX, the latest Digital Unix, and IRIX 6.5.

So what can we do to increase their awareness of this problem? Numerous polite letters have garnered either no response or a polite "get lost" form letter. Ideas?

Alternate paranoid theory: AOL wants all the Unix builds to be against old systems so that people will switch to windoze and buy more aol service. Pretty paranoid, but aol is pure evil after all.

PS: Kudos to the mozilla team for recognizing the value of compatibility and multi-platform support. The Linux/SPARC build works as well as any other.

--TM, still using 4.51 on Ultralinux, the preferred platform of all major deities

Re:Navigator is still 4.08!??? (1)

snubber1 (56537) | more than 14 years ago | (#1251013)

Nope, netscape's homepage has confused many. I just downloaded navigator 4.72 (through WWW, ftp is way to slow right now) by clicking through to the downloads. Only when you get to the end, after pick your operating system (UNSUPPORTED!) do you get the option of communicator or navigator, and 56 or 128 bit.

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Re:gifs (1)

homer_ca (144738) | more than 14 years ago | (#1251014)

Same problem here. Netscape 4.7 on NT. Gifs are either all black or if there's an overlapping Netscape window behind, that page bleeds through to the front where the gifs are. Strange.

Re:What was wrong with slashdot? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1251015)

it should in the faq, they are having database problems...
I'm not saying it's not lame heheh
with all that money why not use oracle instead of the shitty mysql ?

Netscape optimized RPMS (1)

johnnyb (4816) | more than 14 years ago | (#1251016)

RPMs of Netscape built with GCC-2.95 with i686 optimizations available at

http://members.wri.com/johnnyb/netscape/ [wri.com]

Netscape's Great (3)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1251017)

Well I think Netscape's great- twice the performance and a lot more stable than anything else made by other people who haven't paid me as much cash to say that.

Barry Fishcake
Senior VP, Mindcraft [rinkworks.com]

Re:most stable? (1)

DGolden (17848) | more than 14 years ago | (#1251018)

What is unsupported-linux22 supposed to be linked against, glibc2.0 or 2.1 (or even libc5?)? Mandrake ships with a wrapper script to ensure that Netscape is linked against glibc2.0 libraries, which makes sense, since they ship supported-linux20_glibc2 in their RPMs, but if there is a Netscape compiled to link to glibc2.1, I'd rather use that.

I'm smoking M13--and it tastes great! (3)

FascDot Killed My Pr (24021) | more than 14 years ago | (#1251019)

I've been using M13 as my ONLY browser (at work) for two weeks. I use it pretty heavily, and I go to Deja approx once per day.

I have not had one single crash of the browser. (I have had mail crash on me).

I was anxiously waiting for M14 to clean up some interface/formatting/speed problems, but apparently they aren't going to do one(?)
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Here is the result of your Slashdot Purity Test.

Re:Disabling shopping button.. (5)

ixx (11362) | more than 14 years ago | (#1251020)

better yet use a hex editor or something such thing (i like bvi since it uses vi commands) and change the the "Shop" string to "/." and the url to slashdot.org. The string "Shop" can be found by searching for "toolBar*Myshopping.labelString:" and the url netscape shopping url can be found my searching for "tshop.html" Be sure you just replace and do not enter more characters than are already there or you will the binary will be useless. Make a backup and work on a second copy.

I make a xdelta patch so I can apply it on all the linux computers I use. The patch is specific to the build version though (do about: and you will see the version on the title bar). The newest one I have is for v4.7 build [en] 19990915. I have downloaded 4.72, but have not made a patch for it yet. I ran it and played around for a bit, and after seeing that it still displays the same annoying bugs as 4.7 I put off making a patch for now.

Anyhow my navigation bar has the following:

(forward)
reload
casa
search (goes to goole. you can edit the url for this too)
[fm] (freshmeat.net)
print
security
/. (slashdot.org)
halt

Use IE if you run Windows (5)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1251021)

I've been using netscape since it was version 1.x but finally this week, i got too pissed off at navigator for crashing, etc, i downloaded internet explorer 5.01 for win98 and it is just sooooo much faster and better than ns 4.7. almost nobody can deny it is a better product. the rendering speed alone is worth the price of download. i don't think i am ever going back unless i am using linux or on a school computer.

if you have no other reason to use IE other than Microsoft hatred that's fine. But if you want to see what Mozilla will hopefully eventually being like, just download IE and see for yourself.

Re:here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1251022)

The only issue that is actually tagged as "new" in 4.72 is that composer should now translate URL's to links all on it's own. This to avoid the more or less guaranteed crash you encounter with "insert link". And - it doesn't work lol. It does NOT convert URL's to anchor tags. Not Not Not! I just tested it. But "me oh my" does it crash when you "insert link". My monitor never refresh more quickly than when Netscape suddenly vanish from the battlefield.
I'm fond of Netscape and won't ever give it up, but the term "bloatware" does comes to mind...

Re:AOL Takeover (2)

AT (21754) | more than 14 years ago | (#1251023)

the fact that 95%+ of the original Netscape programming staff left after the takeover

Did this, in fact, happen? I remember jwz leaving a short time after the take-over, and a few others left when the takeover was still just a rumor. AOL cut a whole bunch of Netscape staff, but that was mostly redundant admin, AFAIK. I would imagine some programmers walked but 95% seems absurdly high. Do you have any supporting references?

Mirrors?!?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1251024)

Anyone care to post a mirror for us mortals? ftp.netscape.com is unresponsive for me :(

Re:HOWTO (1)

IntlHarvester (11985) | more than 14 years ago | (#1251025)

Your distro manufacturer may have packaged netscape incorrectly. See their site for details or upgrades.

Does this explain why Netscape/Linux seems so much more cruddy (in my experience) than Netscape/Solaris? Or is it something more basic (libc bugs, XFree bugs, Lesstif bugs, etc.)?


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Re:HOWTO (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1251026)

And finally, don't use shift-insert to paste (linux-only bug - haven't downloaded latest release, so don't know if that one's fixed)

HH - posting as an AC so I can still moderate

Re:Thought it was me. (1)

mong (64682) | more than 14 years ago | (#1251027)

And more comments from FIX [www.fix.no] ...

"This happens to me rather often. Sometimes, the problem isn't solved at all,and I actually have to shut down NS. But even then, the damned program keeps floating around in the background, invisible, and I have to manually shut it down with ctrl-alt-del.

Another thing that annoys me is that it closed itself with the message "This program has cused an illegal operation...[bla bla]". The program closes, but the message box just seems unable to bugger off! I then just move it down to the bottom of the screen, so that the start bar overlaps it when I make it inactive, and start NS again. It then works perfectly, but has a larger chance
of shutting down with the same message, refusing to go away, again.

I was hoping that NS would fulfill all of my needs as a browser, but now it's clear to me that MicroSoft actually has produced a superior product. It's sad but true, but in any case, I'll wait for the next version of NS too see if the
problems are fixed before I convert to the dark side.
"

Mo.

* Paul Madley ...Student, Artist, Techie - Geek *

Re:Coincidence or Conspiracy? (1)

snubber1 (56537) | more than 14 years ago | (#1251028)

Thats seriously messed up. How could that even occur without someone tampering with some system on the search engine. Its not like www.microsoft.com mentions Netscape Navigator more on their page then NETSCAPE does....

Mabye they'll get split and we'll get more competitive browser options for linux.

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Re:java plugin (1)

Mazzella! (16436) | more than 14 years ago | (#1251029)

The Java plugin has been available for a little while. However, many websites still use the <applet> tag instead of the
<EMBED
type=application/x-java-applet;version=1.1
java_docbase=file:///none
width=123 height=123
code=whatever.class>
Use Javascript to probe for the plugin, if it exists then print the embed tag, otherwise print the applet tag.
You can get the plugin here [infomagic.com] or off of http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux/mirrors.html [blackdown.org]

4.72 seems better (3)

Niomosy (1503) | more than 14 years ago | (#1251030)

After installing it I launched it... comes up much faster than 4.7 (on NT). Certainly faster than Mozilla or IE. Also, for those that haven't tried... copy your Netscape plugins directory contents into the Mozilla plugins directory. Quicktime works pretty well (it skips a little but wasn't that noticable on the X-Men preview). Flash is... "not entirely stable" (to steal from C3PO). Works on some sites and doesn't work on others (shockwave.com of all things)

Re:most stable? (1)

DGolden (17848) | more than 14 years ago | (#1251031)

Well, I just installed linux22, and it's running linked against glibc2.1 atm. Don't know if that's how its supposed to be run, but it hasn't crashed yet... IT also seems to be pretty damn fast compared with 4.7(0) anyway.

Re:Cherchez la moolah (1)

rbf (2305) | more than 14 years ago | (#1251032)

I agree. Things started going down hill when they started getting money. The most noticable was when Andover bought them. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to put down Andover, but that's when things started to go down hill...

Yes, there is a big difference between the "disappearing" stories and explaining why it was pulled IMO.

Re:MEEPT!!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1251033)

Hope this is the return of the one, true, original MEEPT!!!!!

I hope it isn't. In fact, I hope I have never seen the "Real MEEPT." If I have, then it just says you people will laugh at anything.

an innocent bystander

Re:Netscape rarely crashes... (1)

JohnnyCannuk (19863) | more than 14 years ago | (#1251034)

I have to agree with you. For me NS 4.7 rarely crashes and i leave the java turned on. I find it much better thann 4.6 mainly because 4.6 wouldn't allow me to see the java interface for the documentation and administration of IBM Websphere 2.03 I installed.

Maybe I'm just not surfing to the correct sites...

Re:HOWTO (3)

StaticLimit (26017) | more than 14 years ago | (#1251035)

2) Turn off Cascading Style Sheets (Style Sheets) support in your preferences. It generally doesn't work well at all and really isn't all that necessary. And IME it makes NS crash. A lot.

3) Turn off Java. Turn off Java. Turn off Java.

4) Turn off Javascript if you don't use somewhat sophisticated sites.

5) Don't invoke mystery components like Messenger and Composer and all that crap unless you actually need to use them. They tend to suck a bit.

6) Feed it lots and lots and lots of disk/memory cache, or none at all.

My god man! What's the point? You've turned off everything that makes it worthwhile to install a 4.x generation browser in the first place, haven't you?

If none of the new features work... the solution is: Stick with the old version.

- StaticLimit

Wget... (1)

Ka0s (134504) | more than 14 years ago | (#1251036)

*fondles wget* i've been doing the same for around a year :-) wget owns.

I switched... (1)

Cyclope (150361) | more than 14 years ago | (#1251037)

I'm fed up with Netscape. The damn thing takes forever to open and it takes an eternity to open a new page. Oh and if you actually want to have more than 2-3 windows open at once, better make your prayers cause Netscape won't like it and will go down.

That's why I switched. I was tired of waiting and I just wanted access to some content and get to it fast.

Microsoft wasn't an option so I tried Opera which I must say just fills up my internet browsing needs. Of course, it doesn't have those stupid little utilities that makes IE and Netscape really heavy but who cares when all you want is to view some content.

By the way, I'm not trying to promote Opera and I don't have any financial gain with this. I'm just speaking from the heart :)


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This is where I should write something
intelligent or funny but since I'm

what the heck for? (1)

Jose (15075) | more than 14 years ago | (#1251038)

rm -rf /path/to/previous/version/of/netscape

tar -zxvf new_version_of_netscape.tar.gz
cd new_version_of_netscape
./nsinstall

hit enter a few times
and you are done.

too hard for you?

for reasons why the rpms aren't out. read the other replies to your comment.

Why don't WE make a better browser? (0)

pancakex (115075) | more than 14 years ago | (#1251039)

I think it would be great if a bunch of us smart slashdotters got together and actually made a decent web browser. I mean, Microsoft sucks, so does Netscape and Mozilla and every other poorly-performing browser out there. There should be an easier way for us to view web sites, considering the long and prestigious history of the great operating system that many of us choose to run. And face it, there are some really smart, capable people that read this website regularly. if poeple got together, either in local groups of people physically near them, or collaborating over the internet, it would be great! and we wouldn't have to deal with pooooor browsing due to the fact that we have to turn off every "feature" of our browser just to see basic websites. If people in this industry actually want any alternative to Microsoft and Macintosh as a desktop OS, you're gonna need some web support. I mean browsers that are capable of easy viewing of plugins and java and CSS and whatever else is being used online these days. It sucks to have to say that yes, indeed, Microsoft IE is the best of the bunch.

Re:Netscape's Great (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 14 years ago | (#1251040)

I Will not flame. I will not flame. I will not flame.

I don't think you can look at me with a straight face and say that Netscape is faster than IE. I further doubt that you can claim that it's more stable. It does run on a whole heck of a lot more platforms, though.

I'm still waiting for navigator five. I use Pine for email on both Win2k and on OpenBSD so I'm not too concerned with the mediocre mailer built into communicator.

Also, netscape STILL doesn't have a build for OpenBSD. You have to install the BSDi which gets run through purify. It crashes a lot. I hate it. To echo a previous post about versions for linux, why is netscape always behind?

New feature? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1251041)

How about HTML support? Did it make it into 4.72?

Does 4.72 fix the serious Composer bugs? (2)

Johann (4817) | more than 14 years ago | (#1251042)

For example, in Composer 4.71 (glibc 2.1.2, Linux 2.2.12), I highlight text and click on the link button to change text to a URL link . I insert the URL into the link dialog and hit either 'Apply' or 'Finished' and the entire application crashes.

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Hmmm... Netscape 128 bit link broken (1)

Zen (8377) | more than 14 years ago | (#1251043)

I just tried to download the 128 bit version from within Netscape, and every time I get a Not Found page when it tries to redirect to the download page. IE forwarded through perfectly tho :) Weirdness...

Removing the Evils (2)

Zule_Boy (45951) | more than 14 years ago | (#1251044)

Yes, many of the above points are true. If I even attempt to start JAVA, communicator crashes. JS is okay, and the Style Sheets suck. I have this problem with netscape sucking up between 64-96 MB of physcial memory after extended surfing and making my PII run like a 486 with a hardware conflict. Does anyone have any experience making netscape behave like this? I have Communicator 4.71 on RH6.1 kernel 2.2.13 (patched for JFS).
Also, I found the best way not mentioned to fix the button toolbar. Go to View, and Deselect Navigation toolbar. You can use alt-arrow to go forward and backwards, ESCAPE stops loading and alt-r reloads. Gives me more desktop and less suck from Net$crape.

So-called "Smart Update" (1)

jlv (5619) | more than 14 years ago | (#1251045)

Just for kicks, on my 4.7 Communicator I enabled JavaScript, Java, and "Smart Update". I then selected Help->"Software Updates" to go to their "SmartUpdate" pages. Selecting step 1 shows me:
Communicator Update Your current version is Communicator 4.7 - 128 bit encryption.


Congratulations, you already have the latest Netscape browser software
Smart? Nope, more like useless. Why is this bloatware included in Communicator anyway?

Re:Coincidence or Conspiracy? (3)

irix (22687) | more than 14 years ago | (#1251046)

What do you want ot bet that MS has hundreds of GeoCities pages with the words "click here to download Netscape" and a link to the Microsoft homepage :)

Re:What was wrong with slashdot? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1251047)

Shitty MySQL? I'd use MySQL over Oracle any day. Besides, L.E. is an idiot.

Re:Strong Encryption? (1)

trupoet (114382) | more than 14 years ago | (#1251048)

Yah I have had trouble trying to dl the Strong Encryption before with 4.71. They did finally get it to work right after a month or two! Must be AOL's doing....they will be Netscape's UNdoing. Anyways, just my opinion of course. :-)
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