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Linus: Microsoft Hatred is a disease

Anonymous Coward writes | more than 5 years ago

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An anonymous reader writes "When asked for comments by linux magazine on Microsoft's move to contribute code to the linux kernel, Linus Torvalds responded: I'm a big believer in "technology over politics". I don't care who it comes from, as long as there are solid reasons for the code, and as long as we don't have to worry about licensing etc issues. I may make jokes about Microsoft at times, but at the same time, I think the Microsoft hatred is a disease. I believe in open development, and that very much involves not just making the source open, but also not shutting other people and companies out. . He also criticizes the free software extremists for being hypocritical, bashing Microsoft for contributing code (that enables linux to run better virtualized on their own virtualization platform), while at the same time praising other companies (like IBM) that do or have done similar things: I agree that it's driven by selfish reasons, but that's how all open source code gets written! We all "scratch our own itches" Interesting read."

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GOOG is the new MSFT (1)

ickleberry (864871) | more than 5 years ago | (#28819801)

Microsoft have come along way in the last two years as far as openness. In 2003 they were all hating Linux and thrusting Trusted computing upon us but now they are actually releasing open source stuffs so that's good. I don't see as much reason to hate them anymore and I know I'd rather be using Windows Mobile + Windows 7 rather than Android + Chrome OS

Google is the new kid on the block now trying to take control away from users by having everything run on their servers ie. "De Cloud(tm)" but with a hint of openness while pretending not to be evil. They may not be as evil as Microsoft were in the early 2000's with their DRM pushing and trusted computing but what Google is pushing will take away nearly as much control away from the user. Unless of course you are a UNIX geek with one's own server, then you should still be able to do what the hell you like and have your servers running open-source email, jabber and possibly wave daemons communicate with the ad-supported, web based google services that plebians use. For the moment at least.

of course there is no telling how evil google would get if they took over from Microsoft completely and got 98% market share with Chrome OS. Maybe they will eventually cut off those nasty, free-thinking mavericks who dare to run their own servers and not put everything in De Cloud for their advertisers to data mine the crap out of.

Re:GOOG is the new MSFT (1)

WinterSolstice (223271) | more than 5 years ago | (#28820853)

There's a lot to what you said there.

Cloud computing is just as bad as outsourcing when it comes to handing over control of your data. I hate to sound paranoid (and I do like Google in general), but it's important to draw a line.

Knowing what is *yours* and what is *not* is very important, as many people have learned when photos and embarrassing videos/emails are put out on the web.

Control is being able to *remove* as well as *add*. Just like I oppose DRM, I oppose companies putting everything onto a cloud resource.

To be on topic, though - vitriolic hatred of anything is a problem. I love Linux, and have used it and contributed to it for years. I still like Vista and OSX (and Windows Server, AIX, Solaris), though. They all have their own pros and cons which need to be evaluated each time you choose a solution.

MSFT is still MSFT. Defeat. Deny. Lie. (1)

gavron (1300111) | more than 5 years ago | (#28821459)

Would you Microsoft shills give it a rest? Yeah, you can jump to blaming google and agree with each other.

At the end of the day Google support open-source for lots of selfless purposes ("summer of code"). Microsoft destroys open-source, funds lawsuits against it, funds SCO's lawsuit against Linux (, and creates a joke of international standards only to have its broken non-standard OOXML declared a "standard" nobody can implement whereas ODF and OpenOffice are real.

Save us your shills, Microsoft, and shut up and color.


Re:MSFT is still MSFT. Defeat. Deny. Lie. (1)

WinterSolstice (223271) | more than 5 years ago | (#28822911)

Wow, way to point out the obvious points in the story :P

Look at my posting history if you consider me a shill. I am a professional Linux/AIX Oracle and DB2 DBA, and I contribute to multiple open source projects. I have also released 90% of the stuff I've written under GPL, some of which is running major functions at some large companies. I've also lobbied for (and won) and gotten 3 fortune 500 companies to switch their ERP or EDI platforms to Linux.

You can say what you like, but at the end of the day, every corporation is out for only one thing. Itself.

Summer of Code is fine - very nice. Youtube censorship? Supporting the Chinese firewall? Not responding when Google Apps have a massive outage?
Google doesn't even opensource most of their stuff, and for a long time wouldn't even talk about it. They keep their secrets, like most companies do. That's fine.

MS is NOT an opensource friend - but neither are 99.9999% of other companies out there. MS is evil, like most companies, but the point is that "hating" is a waste of time. Companies must act in their own best interest to survive.

I believe my point was "Pick the appropriate solution for the appropriate problem", and save your religious wars for the other little kids.

Welcome to the now, man! (1)

bitemykarma (1515895) | more than 5 years ago | (#28821131)

Why is it when I click on the + or - in firehouse, I'm directed to the FUQ?
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