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Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37764746)

This is a perfect example of scientific verification of claims made by Al Gore that are ultimately proven to be false.

For everyone that loves to champion these crooks, pay close attention so reality can smack you nice and hard in the face. The sting you feel is called FRAUD.

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sanzibar (2043920) | more than 2 years ago | (#37764888)

I agree and submitted the same story earlier. Funny how the AGW crowd loves to cry about "proven" science but when it actually comes down to doing real science, they run from the room.
I would not count on /. posting this. They are just biased that way. Just look back at how many articles have been posted that refute many of the AGW claims.

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drjzzz (150299) | more than 2 years ago | (#37766212)

scientists don't claim "proven" but rather (1) tested, (2) "not disproved", and (3) consistent with the theory.

Simplified theory: There once was a carboniferous age that produced the large deposits of oil, coal, and other fossil fuels and changed the atmosphere from reducing to oxidizing. We are quickly reversing that long process. The giant buffer we call the ocean is turning acidic slowly but surely while glaciers are melting at a dramatic rate. Nearly all climate scientists agree that man is changing the climate and very quickly, far too quickly for plants and animals (including us) to adjust easily or at all. Claims that the science is truly controversial are made by fools and tools.

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sanzibar (2043920) | more than 2 years ago | (#37766902)

This is Al Gore science so please allow me to append to your list: (4) "science is settled", (5) "thou shalt not challenge", and (6)"everything is consistent with the theory"

I further challenge your claim that "Nearly all climate scientists agree that man is changing the climate and very quickly, far too quickly for plants and animals (including us) to adjust easily or at all " and "the ocean is turning acidic". Are you referencing the few scientists that delivered us the settled science?

funny thing happens when you stick your head in an echo chamber.

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drjzzz (150299) | more than 2 years ago | (#37768510)

rather than attacking Al Gore (like he cares, and talk about "echo chamber"!), why not address the point? Oceans "turning acidic" is shorthand for the oceanic buffer becoming saturated, after which pH changes rapidly. And yes, it amounts to "settled science", to the extent such a thing exists. If you don't believe it, simply provide an alternative theory that accounts for, and predicts the consequences of (e.g., unprecedented retreat of glaciers, reduction in polar ice fields), rapid increases in atmospheric carbon. I've heard none that are anywhere near as good as anthropogenic climate change.

The fossil fuel industries are extremely well established, rich, and (consequently) politically powerful. They have provided energy over the past 2 centuries that produced enormous increases in our standard of living. However, they will do anything in their power to delay the inevitable, eventual recognition that these fuels risk killing the planet. Now we must reduce the use of these fuels. I am skeptical anything will happen. Fortunately, we are probably at or near peak oil, so we may be saved some consequences without relying entirely on the foresight or courage of our political and economic leaders.

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sanzibar (2043920) | more than 2 years ago | (#37773454)

that accounts for, and predicts the consequences

Funny you would say that given the fact that the agw models are a complete fail. Also, have you looked at the ice lately? Its growing. Worldwide temp? Getting colder. Acidification? Nope. Bad models, bad data, bad theory.

But dont just take my word for it. One of your fellow warmists publicly slammed the data you base your claims on as JUNK. Here is a snippet. You should really read more about it and get more informed. The other rats are jumping the ship while your feasting on spoiled cheese.

In terms of the broader audience, I have to say that I hope that this book leads to the discontinuation of the IPCC after the AR5 report (which is already well underway, and is arguably sufficiently tarnished that it is likely to have much less influence than previous reports.)
My personal reaction as a scientist is to be very thankful that I am not involved in the IPCC. I already feel duped by the IPCC (I’ve written about this previously), I am glad that I was not personally used by the IPCC.
"WG2 and WG3 reports pretty much belong in the dustbin, as far as I can tell."

I know it may be difficult to hear but your bible is a fraud. []

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Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37770664)

Anthony Watts has proved once and for all that CO2 can never cause warming. It just does not work. Does not work in the lab. Does not work on the planet. He put Co2 in the tubes and there WAS NO DIFFERENCE. Co2 does not cause warming!!, and it never could!!"!!!!
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