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Java madness: Is Oracle neglecting customers it picked up from Sun?

tsamsoniw (1731366) writes | about a year and a half ago

Java 5

tsamsoniw writes "Mere days after Oracle rolled out a fix for the latest Java zero-day vulnerabilities, an admin for an Underweb hacker forum put code for a purportedly new Java exploit up for sale for $5,000. Though unconfirmed, it's certainly plausible that the latest Java patch didn't do the job, based on an analysis by the OpenJDK community. Maybe it's high time for Oracle to fix Java to better protect both its enterprise customers and the millions of home users it picked up when it acquired Sun."
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I'm getting tired of waiting for Oracle (1)

turkeyfish (950384) | about a year and a half ago | (#42607909)

As a long time user and proponent of Java, I'm getting tired of waiting for Oracle to get its act together and do something to build a vibrant Java community that actually benefits Java users rather than just Oracle's bottom line. I suspect that many like me will soon give up on Oracle and move to greener pastures if they don't get their act together soon. The current situation with Java security only highlights that Java is rapidly heading down the road toward yet another dead language.

Am I the only one (1)

sjames (1099) | about a year and a half ago | (#42612037)

Who upon reading the phrase:

A combination of subsystems -- including JMXBeanServer, the Rhino JavaScript classloader, and the new invokedynamic support that was added in Java 7

Wondered about the interaction between the OoohEeeOhhAhhAhhh and the TingTangWallaWallaBingBang?

What is it with Java and all the crazy bolt-ons? Sure, most every language has it's libraries and modules, but they are rarely treated as being an actual part of the language like they are in Java.

Re:Am I the only one (1)

niftymitch (1625721) | about a year and a half ago | (#42614145)

Who upon reading the phrase:

A combination of subsystems -- including JMXBeanServer, the Rhino JavaScript classloader, and the new invokedynamic support that was added in Java 7

Wondered about the interaction between the OoohEeeOhhAhhAhhh and the TingTangWallaWallaBingBang?

What is it with Java and all the crazy bolt-ons? Sure, most every language has it's libraries and modules, but they are rarely treated as being an actual part of the language like they are in Java.

These extensive modern libraries and modules are the best and worst of all worlds.

They make many projects possible but make maint. of the result hard as heck.

Any modern programming language needs a deprecate hook that can be triggered the instant a bug has been found.

For example the state of strings in C needs to be deprecated and replaced with a modern well designed library.

I was a fan of Googles "Go" project but for a year the most common question and answer was how to link in some old musty POS bit of C library cruft that someone wanted because they "knew how to use it". For the most part no one attacked the piles of crud that make it so difficult for beginners to build reliable code. Since the industry is want to hire kids right out of school almost all programmers on the web qualify as beginners.

Re:Am I the only one (1)

sjames (1099) | about a year and a half ago | (#42614301)

The thing is, in Java there is a greater likelihood of a marketing name as the library name and it is more likely to be treated as if it is actually an intrinsic part of the language rather than being just a library.

For example, there might be a C or C++ javascript interpreter in a library such as this [google.com] , but when I tell somebody I know C/C++, nobody assumes that I am familiar with that library and certainly nobody feels a burning urge to bundle it as a standard library with their C compiler.

I guess what it comes down to is that the Java culture seems to be a cargo cult and all of those accretions on it seem to cause a lot of hard to remove problems.

Thank the gods that CORBA never became part of the ISO standard for C itself.

Abandonment... (1)

niftymitch (1625721) | about a year and a half ago | (#42614091)

Abandonment... clearly they are abandoning any rights to "Java" and any litigation surrounding it should be quashed because of abandonment.

Me I want to get Java out of my coffee maker.

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