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Covert BT Phorm Trial Report Leaked

stavros-59 (1102263) writes | more than 6 years ago

The Almighty Buck 5

stavros-59 (1102263) writes "An internal BT report on the BT secret trials of Phorm (aka 121Media) Deep Packet Inspection has been revealed on Wikileaks today. The leaked document shows that during the covert trial a possible 18 million page requests were intercepted and injected with javascript and about 128 thousand charity ads were substituted with the Phorm Ad Network advertizements purchased by advertizers specifically for the covert trial period. Several ISPs are known to be using, or planning to use, DPI as a means of serving advertizing directly through Layer 7 interception at ISP level in the USA and Europe. NebuAd claim they are using DPI to enable their advertizing to reach 10% of USA internet users."
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you will no trust BT after reading the document (2, Interesting)

bluecar1 (1302319) | more than 6 years ago | (#23664557)

just goes to show how devious BT and PHORM are, and why we are trying to stop this snooping / spying system being launched. BT refuse to revael / publushed any details of the legal advise they recieved to say the system was legal, and they refuse to reveal any information on the market research they say proves user want this spyware in return for anti-phishing which everyone has built into browser or security packages, they won't because it will show how the questions were loaded and how they selectively quoted from any advise they got to make it look legal (iraq war and government spring to mind) now we see why, come on BT give the details, bet you won't though peter

Why stop them from launching it? (1)

elucido (870205) | more than 6 years ago | (#23664679)


It's really simple, they are going to launch these technologies, period. The only way to counter this is to launch technologies which counter it. It's not something which is won in the courts, as it's more like an arms race at this point between the hardcore internet users who don't want to give up their freedom, and the people who didn't even know what the internet was 5 years ago but who now want to control something they do not have the capability of understanding.

It's fine that they want to monitor the internet, and build tools for doing so, but the builders of these tools should expect that these actions will spur the growth of entirely new industries.

I don't want to sound too much like a conspiracy theorist but I believe the purpose of deep packet inspection is to destroy the internet by removing all freedom from it. I think they are trying to control the internet in the same way that TV and radio is controlled. If we want the internet to remain free, it's going to take developing the technologies to allow for the knowledgeable internet user to have privacy, and through privacy have freedom.

It starts with encryption, built into the protocols, and steganography to fool the simple packet inspection tools which rely most likely on traffic analysis. All of this can be built into the protocol or even built into the Linux Kernel itself.

Will it happen? Probably not, because Linux has lost it's edge as it's focused more on ease of use and working its way onto the desktop. Linux is slightly more secure but not much more secure than Windows in terms of information security and securing privacy. The file system in Linux would have to be fully encrypted by default, period.

I do not see why we should even tolerate a Linux install without an encrypted file system and swap by default. Truecrypt is open source, there really is no excuse for this.

Secondly, where are the steganographic file systems? Sure some are in development, but ultimately it's going to require encryption and steganographic file systems to create a sense of privacy.

Now, it's not going to be absolutely secure, as hackers can get into your system, or you can be monitored by Google or your ISP, but it at least allows you to keep your files semi private, which is better than what we have now where you can't even do online banking because thats not private.

It's simple, whoever is building Linux distros, you need to build a privacy enhanced Linux. Privacy enhanced meaning everything about the design of the distro should be with a focus on maintaining information security and privacy.

It should be as simple as inserting the live disc to install or run. It should focus on making use of encryption standard and easy, pidgin and kopete both support encryption but almost nobody uses it. Encrypting your IM's would be wise.

It's wise to also encrypt your emails as standard, especially if you email your lawyer, your doctor, or want to discuss anything which is considered private. Do you want deep packet inspection inspecting your private email conversations to feed you ads?

You don't like it? You know C, you know C++, you know Java, just like I do. So do something about it.

Re:Why stop them from launching it? (1)

bluecar1 (1302319) | more than 6 years ago | (#23664889)

that is fine, encyption is good, BUT all the websites around the world would have to accept encrypted connections for this approach to work. what we are doing in the uk is to highlight what the ISP's are doing and actively encouraging users to migrate to ones which do not use or plan to use this sort of technology, the idea is if you can't kill the beast legally starve it to death but removing its revenue stream. this is already partly achieved as the UK ICO has said for the system to be legal under UK data proction laws it has to be opt-in with a clear statement as to what the user is opting in for, so they can make an informed choice. BT and PHORM wanted an opt out with no details as many do not change defaults, so we have won a few of the battles just not the whole campaign so far peter

No they don't. (1)

elucido (870205) | more than 6 years ago | (#23665865)


Just use encryption and an anonymous proxy system such as Tor. The main problem isn't that they monitor what websites we go to. The main problem is that they want to try and read out thoughts and access our files.

There is a big difference between privacy in personal communication and privacy on websites.
Most websites aren't supposed to be private but when you send an email to your buddy or an IM, that should be private.

The problem with telling users to migrate is eventually the big ISP's will buy all the little ones and pull a Microsoft type of deal similar to what goes on in the USA with our telephone companies spying on us.

Time to outsmart them with new protocols. (2, Informative)

elucido (870205) | more than 6 years ago | (#23664585)


Deep Packet inspection is not new technology. It's been in development for years, while all of you hackers have sat back on your Linux boxes worrying about how to get Linux on the desktop and bring unix to the masses, all during this time, you've been slowly losing the arms race for internet freedom.

So the choice is yours, either you build better software, or you watch the internet become as useless as a set-top internet tv.
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