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Mozilla's 2013 Report: Revenue Up 1% To $314M; 90% From Google

BZ Re:What do they spend the money on? (161 comments)

Browsers are pretty complicated, yes. Things like low-latency high-performance VMs, hardware-accelerated video pipelines, plus the details, like actual HTML parsing, CSS layout, a network stack, and so forth. Also, what matters is not just the complication but how fast you're trying to change things, and people are adding new things (flexbox, more complicated CSS layout modes, mode DOM APIs, etc) faster than ever before.

But also, in addition to a browser Mozilla is working on FirefoxOS, which involves a whole separate bunch of developers, since it's not like the browser developers are writing things like the dialer app for FirefoxOS. Also, you need QA, not just developers.

And yes, Mozilla has 1000-ish employees, for what it's worth.

It's not just Mozilla. If I look at https://www.openhub.net/p/chro... I see on the order of 600 committers with commits in the last month. And that's not even counting whoever is working on the non-open-source parts of Chrome. And not counting, again, QA and so forth.

And the worst part is, this is not a new development. Microsoft had over 1000 people working on IE6 in 1999, according to http://ericsink.com/Browser_Wa...

So yes, browsers, complicated.

about a month ago
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Chrome 39 Launches With 64-bit Version For Mac OS X and New Developer Features

BZ Re:Chrome Soon? FireFox on the other-hand... (67 comments)

The "let" keyword is not the same thing as "let blocks" and "let expressions".

The keyword looks like this:

    let x = 5;

and is in ES6. A let block or let expression (neither of which is in ES6) looks like this:

    let (x = 5) alert(x);

so that "x" is only in scope for the duration of the let block. It's syntactic sugar for:

{
    let x = 5;
    alert(x);
}

about a month ago
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Mozilla Launches Browser Built For Developers

BZ Re:Chrome for Android and Safari for iOS? (74 comments)

> So you still have to buy an iPhone, an iPad, an
> Android phone, and an Android tablet to test on them,

Sure. The point here is to allow you to use the devtools of your choice, not to create a test environment.

about a month ago
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Mozilla Launches Browser Built For Developers

BZ Re:Chrome for Android and Safari for iOS? (74 comments)

> So, they're running Android and iOS on your
> computer to run the same binaries as those
> platforms?

No. "They" are allowing you to connect your Android or iOS device to your computer (likely via USB), then debugging the on-device browser using the Firefox debugger running on your computer. That way you're debugging the thing you actually want to debug, but using the same developer tools you're using for your other debugging, and which therefore you're already familiar with.

about a month ago
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Silicon Valley Swings To Republicans

BZ Re:Republican opposition to monopolies (485 comments)

He also (correctly) warned about the entanglement of government and scientific research, in the same speach as the military-industrial complex warning. It's funny that people remember one warning, but not the other.

about a month and a half ago
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Russian Military Forces Have Now Invaded Ukraine

BZ Re:A photograph? (848 comments)

Ukrainian tanks don't have reactive armor, as the article points out.

And sure, no one is suggesting launching nukes at Russia based on the evidence we have right now.

about 4 months ago
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Russian Military Forces Have Now Invaded Ukraine

BZ Re:A photograph? (848 comments)

That's pretty normal for press coverage, for what it's worth: they have to fill up space, so will throw in unrelated pictures all the time...

Getting clear close-ups of stuff in a war zone is hard, of course, especially if the stuff is being hidden.

about 4 months ago
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Earth In the Midst of Sixth Mass Extinction: the 'Anthropocene Defaunation'

BZ Re:no problem (342 comments)

CrimsonAvenger's point was that we've had evidence since the early 1800s that humans (and probably other hominids, in fact) ate mammoths. Nowhere did he say that humans were eating mammoths in the 1800s.

about 5 months ago
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Firefox 33 Integrates Cisco's OpenH264

BZ Re:Version number confusion (194 comments)

It's really not that complicated. Firefox releases work like this: 6 weeks of development, 12 weeks of testing and stabilization (split up into two 6-week phases called "aurora" and "beta"; the former corresponds more or less to feature freeze and the latter more or less to "code freeze unless we discover a stop-ship issue"), then release.

So right now 31 is released, 32 is beta, 33 is aurora, and development is happening on 34.

about 5 months ago
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Firefox 31 Released

BZ Re:I would like (just) a web browser please (172 comments)

I suggest you take that browser from the old days, run it on today's web sites, and see how many hundreds of MB it takes. Assuming it loads them at all.

about 5 months ago
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A Look At NASA's Orion Project

BZ Re:NASA has become small indeed... (108 comments)

It's a matter of funding.

Looking at the chart at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F... and in particular the inflation-adjusted line there tells you pretty much what the story was: at the peak of the Apollo program NASA's budget was about $40 billion/year in today's dollars (the red line in that graph is in 1996 dollars). NASA's budget today is less than $18 billion/year.

Or to put it in relative-to-the-economy terms, in 1966 NASA was 4% of Federal budget expenditures. 4% of the 2013 US expenditures (actual, not requested) would be $138 billion, according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2...

I bet if you funded NASA at that level (even just the inflation-adjusted one; I understand that the overall budget structure is quite different now from what it was in 1966, so the $138 billion number is pretty much meaningless), I bet it could produce results a lot quicker than it can at current funding levels...

about 5 months ago
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Mozilla Is Working On a Firefox OS-powered Streaming Stick

BZ Re:I've got a great idea! (89 comments)

That would take a lot more development effort, since plug-ins depend on a lot of functionality being present in-process with them that's based on libraries that make up a good bit of that 54MB.

On Mac, the plugin process is the same binary as the 32-bit Firefox process...

about 6 months ago
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Mozilla Is Working On a Firefox OS-powered Streaming Stick

BZ Re:I've got a great idea! (89 comments)

You mean have it download both versions, on 64-bit, right? It's not a matter of choosing: you need a 32-bit process to run the plug-ins in, and a 64-bit one for the actual browsing.

This is doable, and being worked on; it's just not been a top priority for various reasons.

about 6 months ago
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Mozilla Is Working On a Firefox OS-powered Streaming Stick

BZ Re:I've got a great idea! (89 comments)

Mac OS supports shipping both 32-bit and 64-bit binaries in a single executable. That's what Firefox on Mac does.

That _is_ a viable solution on Windows, albeit with multiple executables, but it about doubles the size of the download. Unfortunately, Windows users are very sensitive to the download size for their web browsers; past experiments have shown uptake dropping rapidly as the download size increases.

about 6 months ago
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Firefox 30 Available, Firebug 2.0 Released

BZ Re:Did they restore "delay image loading"? (270 comments)

Do you mean the "Load images automatically" setting?

The preference for that seems to still be in about:config. It's called "permissions.default.image" and the values are documented as: // 1-Accept, 2-Deny, 3-dontAcceptForeign

about 6 months ago
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Free Software Foundation Condemns Mozilla's Move To Support DRM In Firefox

BZ Re:Explanation of Mozilla (403 comments)

You're mischaracterizing Brendan's position on DRM, as I'm sure he would tell you if you just asked him personally. I strongly recommend you do so.

He doesn't like DRM, and neither does anyone else at Mozilla, but you do realize that he was CTO and then CEO while most of the negotiations with Adobe were happening, right?

about 7 months ago
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How Firefox Will Handle DRM In HTML

BZ Re:Pragmatic, makes sense. (361 comments)

We've tried sandboxing the plug-in process Flash runs in. It breaks all sorts of existing Flash-using stuff, unfortunately.

The benefit of having a sandbox from day 1 is that you don't have that problem.

about 7 months ago

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IE9 dead code elimination buggy

BZ BZ writes  |  more than 3 years ago

BZ (40346) writes "It looks like the dead code elimination that IE9 applies to Sunspider is not just very narrowly targeted but also incorrect: it eliminates code that isn't actually dead."
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