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Jenny McCarthy: "I Am Not Anti-Vaccine'"

Belial6 Re:Appeal to authority is not good enough (584 comments)

That is a very good post at showing exactly how people who think they are pro-vaccine spend a lot of effort convincing people not to vaccinate. Ignoring data, rationalizing ad hominem, telling people that getting all of their vaccines but in a different order isn't ok because they must mindlessless follow the set script 100%. Hypocritically declaring that when your villian does reasearch for money, it is a sign of corruption, while ignoring the fact that the majority of all drug research is done for money. Ignoring what is said and pulling words randomely from sentences to try and refute them by giving them exactly the opposite meaning than the context of the original statement in strawman arguments.

Supporting your case only through easily refuted arguements does more harm than good. Like I said. People like you do far more harm than good. If you want to know why people who don't vaccinate their children take the route they do, you should look in a mirror, because it is people like you that are convincing them.

yesterday
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Jenny McCarthy: "I Am Not Anti-Vaccine'"

Belial6 Re:Why do people listen to her? (584 comments)

Because more people burn themselves and others to death cooking home cooked meals than the chicken pox kill when the entire population is unvaccinated. Home cooked meals are a 100% preventable death. Even more so than chicken pox, as even in the best case scenerio, the chicken pox vaccine is not 100% effective. People who throw a hissy fit over skipping a chicken pox vaccine, and then proceed to live in homes with kitchens range from ignorant to hypocrates.

2 days ago
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Jenny McCarthy: "I Am Not Anti-Vaccine'"

Belial6 Re:Why do people listen to her? (584 comments)

You are lying and that is why so many people don't trust their doctors concerning vaccines. 1 in 100 people do not have the problems you list. My guess is that 1 in 100 people end up with a divot somewhere on their bodies and you are telling the standard lie through statistics by counting every person who has the slightest scare as someone who has a "complication", and then listing complications as "Death" and "brain damage", implicitly claiming that 1 in 100 people who catch chicken pox will die or get brain damage.

Any talk of shingles is another outright deception. 1) Childhood vaccination for chickenpox is no way established nor even implied by data to protect against adult cases of shingles. Heck, they have not even established that adult cases of chickenpox are not going to increase due to childhood vaccination. So far the data implies their will eventually be an increase. 2) Adult vaccination of people who have had chickenpox has shown a decrease in cases of shingles. 3) While I won't dispute that you may have had a problem, anything beyond discomfort is extremely rare with shingles. At least up until recently, a doctors visit due to shingles resultied in being told to go home, and that while unsightly, it was not dangerous in any way. Shingles only became "dangerous" after the chicken pox vaccine started being offered to adults as a shingles vaccine.

2 days ago
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Jenny McCarthy: "I Am Not Anti-Vaccine'"

Belial6 Re:That's bullshit. (584 comments)

You are not alone in that thinking. Unfortunatly, that makes you a mouthpiece for the anti-vaccination movement. Congradulations, you are what you hate.

2 days ago
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Jenny McCarthy: "I Am Not Anti-Vaccine'"

Belial6 Re:Why do people listen to her? (584 comments)

Seriously, getting six shots instead of one isn't going to kill a kid.

2 days ago
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Jenny McCarthy: "I Am Not Anti-Vaccine'"

Belial6 Re:Why do people listen to her? (584 comments)

More of this kind of thinking needs to happen if we want to get everyone vaccinated with the important vaccines. The anti-anti-vax crowed does more harm to their own cause than Jenny McCarthy ever could. The anti-anti-vax crowd also needs to stop putting mild childhood diseases like chicken pox in the same category as polio. It is our right dishonest and reduces the strength of their argument concerning the more severe diseases.

2 days ago
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Jenny McCarthy: "I Am Not Anti-Vaccine'"

Belial6 Re:Why do people listen to her? (584 comments)

I'll give you one. The chicken pox vaccine. It shouldn't be given to children. It should be used on adults who have did not gain immunity by catching the disease. The numbers on the chicken pox show that adults are 10x more likely to die from chicken pox than children. The numbers on the vaccine show that it does not offer life long immunity. So, we are very likely pushing the disease away from a safe time to get it to one that is 10x more dangerous.

On top of that, even when you count the adults, you are more than 3x more likely to die from a home cooked meal than you are from chicken pox. There continue to be far more preventable deaths do to residential kitchens than there ever have been for chicken pox. More lives would be saved if the efforts put into chicken pox vaccination were redirected to end the legality of kitchens in residential homes.

2 days ago
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Jenny McCarthy: "I Am Not Anti-Vaccine'"

Belial6 Re:Why do people listen to her? (584 comments)

I would say that it is exactly the opposite. When the anti-anti-vaxxers start getting caught lying about what their super villian has said or done, it makes them look like liers who's position doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Articles like this one are for more influential at convincing people that they should not vaccinate than Jenny McCarthy ever was.

"Jenny McCarthy is a whore." is not a statment that makes people believe that science is on your side conserning vaccines.

2 days ago
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Jenny McCarthy: "I Am Not Anti-Vaccine'"

Belial6 Re:Why do people listen to her? (584 comments)

Including Chicken pox reduces the strength of your argument. Scaring from chicken pox is less of an issue than it is for acne. There is no evidence that getting the vaccine as a child will prevent shingles later on in life. In fact, contrary to what the medical industry was claiming a decade ago, the chicken pox vaccine has proven to not offer life long protection, so not only is it unlikely to prevent shingles, it is unlikely to prevent chicken pox itself later in life. Chicken pox in adults is 10x more dangerous for adults than it is for children. Then we have the herd immunity issue. The vaccinations are reducing our herd immunity against shingles.

The actual data for sources like the CDC show that we should be letting our kids get chicken pox, and if they don't get it by 14 or 15, THEN we give them the vaccine to prevent adult cases of chicken pox. A follow up vaccination sometime in adulthood and old age would seem appropriate to prevent shingles as well.

This is why I say that those who claim to be arguing for vaccination are in reality doing the opposite. They lump chicken pox in with things like mumps and polio. Heck, you implied that chicken pox is in the same category as ebola. This does not help convince anyone to get vaccinations for polio, mumps or measles.

For comparison, home cooked meals are more than 3x as likely to kill you than an entire population of people who have not gotten the chicken pox vaccine.

3 days ago
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Is Germany Raising a Generation of Illiterates?

Belial6 Re:Off Topic (431 comments)

Just got it for free. Target had a buy two get one free deal on video games this last week. I'm going to play through Fallout 3 before I start New Vagas. I waited over 5 years to start Fallout three, I figure I can wait an extra month to start New Vagas.

3 days ago
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Jenny McCarthy: "I Am Not Anti-Vaccine'"

Belial6 Re:Opportunity cost (584 comments)

While the mumps and measles vaccines cause more good than harm (even if every single case of autism were casued by the vaccine), you would save more lives by banning home cooked meals than the best case scenerio for giving kids the chicken pox vaccine. I don't watch much with Jenny McCarthy, so I can't tell you about every interview she has had, but I do see articles like this one, and the people writing the article consistantly quote her, and then claim that what she said was different than what they just quoted. They almost alway resort to ad hominem attacks, and will try to change the subject, and then accuse her of being the one who 'moved the goal posts'.

I followed the links in the summary. If I didn't know better, I would think that they were plants for an anti-vaccination movement.

3 days ago
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Jenny McCarthy: "I Am Not Anti-Vaccine'"

Belial6 Re:Appeal to authority is not good enough (584 comments)

The problem I have with the debate is that if if 100% of vaccines are 100% safe, the pro-vaccine people are constantly arguing against getting vaccines. Just look at the links in the summary. They misrepresent and outright lie about what McCarthy says. They will quote her, and then repeat that she said something she didn't. They will try to change the subject, and they accuser her of moving the goal posts. They are constantly using ad hominem attacks. Basically they are using all of the tactics that a person who is lying would use to support their position.

Heck even the huge Wakefield thing was handled like someone who was trying to cover up bad behavior. Wakefield declares a link between Autism and MMR. He recommends getting the three shots seperatly. What is the pro-vaccine response? To tell people they are stupid murderers and that asking for three seperate shots is a crime against humanity. So, how many people just didn't vaccinate their kids because the pro-vaccine movement told people that they can't get the shots seperately?

If you want to blame someone for a reduction in vaccinations, far more of the blame should be set at the feet of the AAP, CDC, pedeatricians and all of the people on sites like this that constantly take a subject that they are mostly right about, and implicitly tell the public that they are lying.

It is like my wife coming home and finding a womans jacket that does not belong to her. If I just tell her, "Yeah, Ann came by today and we went to lunch.", there is no problem. If I tell her that no one has been to the house, there is a problem. Lying, perticularly in blatently obvious ways, only weakens your position.

3 days ago
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Is Germany Raising a Generation of Illiterates?

Belial6 Re:They've got a lot of catching up to do... (431 comments)

And, the majority of Unschoolers don't step in with advice. That is the point of Unschooling. So, it doesn't matter if the parents step in or not, the kids end up reading anyway. The functional literacy of these kids is absolute proof that they are learning to read somewhere.

3 days ago
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Is Germany Raising a Generation of Illiterates?

Belial6 Re:They've got a lot of catching up to do... (431 comments)

The point is that not all Unschooled kid have parents who are doing everything right, yet they still learn to read. We live in a society that makes it extreamly difficult to not have text around. Even when the parents don't have books around the house, they will generally have a TV, or the kids are outside of the house. Both of these will bombard children with reading.

3 days ago
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Is Germany Raising a Generation of Illiterates?

Belial6 Off Topic (431 comments)

Ok, this is off topic, but I was a Fallout fan with 1 and 2. I never played 3 because it was using a FPS engine, so assumed that it was just a generic FPS using the Fallout name to make sales. Earlier this month Fallout 3 was on sale cheap, and decided I would give it a try. I was pleasently surprised. Yes the game uses a FPS engine, but the game is a real Fallout game. The game feels like a fallout game, and it definitly puts the Fallout story and gameplay above the FPS elements.

For $20 you can get the 'Game of the Year Edition' that has all of the DLC content included. It is definitly worth it. Even at 5 years old, it is still a fun game that has aged very well.

3 days ago
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Is Germany Raising a Generation of Illiterates?

Belial6 Re:They've got a lot of catching up to do... (431 comments)

That kid is still going to drive past McDonalds, KFC, and Target. Those kids will still be seeing Nike shoes, and even if they are going to see Start on the screen of that Xbox. Using the standard "Home school kids are smarter because they are self selected to parents that help them more." just doesn't hold up when you start looking at Unschooled kids. Some Unschooled kids have parents that are chomping at the bit for their kids to ask for help, but they all don't.

It is just really hard not to learn how to read in our society. You pretty much need to be in an environment where the parent is actively trying to prevent literacy to be illiterate in our country.

4 days ago
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Is Germany Raising a Generation of Illiterates?

Belial6 Re:They've got a lot of catching up to do... (431 comments)

I don't think that saying the US is literate necessarily means that one must be saying that the US education system is working.

As a homeschooling parent, I have looked at a lot of different ways of educating my children. One of the ways that I have seen (although rejected for my family) is radical 'Unschoooling'. The premise of this method is that no one teaches children anything. Anything the child needs or wants to learn, they will seek out themselves. While I don't think this produces the best results, talking with Unschooling parents revielded an interesting result. Literally 100% of the children over the age of about 12 were literate. The could read, write, had reasonable vocabularies, and had no problem structuring their sentences.

Keep in mind that this isn't a self selected group of kids who's parents spent extra time educating them. These are kids who parents left the kids to figure out their education on their own. Only being their to answer questions that the child initiated.

Obviously not everyone becomes literate when left in a vacuum. So, what is the explination? I have thought pretty hard on this, as it is an unexpected and facinating situation. The best theory I have come up with is that it is hard to actually be illiterate in large parts of the US. I am not saying that it is hard being illiterate, which it most certainly is. I am saying that one needs to actually put effort into not becoming literate, or it will happen by accident.

I know it sounds crazy, but consider that Karmashock is correct that there are groups who actively shun education. Parents who will abuse their children if the children shows any interest in become educated. I have witnessed this first hand. It is sad but real. So, if we discount families and groups who are actually putting effort into being illiterate, we end up with situations where kids learn to read and write the same way that you learn what color your neighbors house is. You happen to see it so much that eventually, you just know it. Drive past a giant yellow M in front of a 'M'c Donalds, and eventually the kid picks up that M makes an M sound.

4 days ago
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PC Gaming Alive and Dominant

Belial6 Re:There is no time for gaming (244 comments)

No, it doesn't. There is a good chance that you would not be dead. As long as you remain passive, you become an on going source of food for the tough guy to explote if he leaves you alive. The bad canning isn't insurance against the first raid. It is insurance against continual raids.

4 days ago
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LA Police Officers Suspected of Tampering With Their Monitoring Systems

Belial6 Re:Asinine (322 comments)

Accepted. And please understand. That was largely my point. I was responding to someone who pulled out the 'racist' card. It gets old and divides people, reducing all of our power to address the root problems as a larger group.

5 days ago
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Ask Slashdot: How To Start With Linux In the Workplace?

Belial6 Re:Themes... (451 comments)

Since the user would not be choosing the disto, and the admin would not choose one without a menu, your continued insistance that " if the distro of choice of the user do not have a menu" keeps us exactly where we have been since you started commenting. You are not being sincere in your arguements.

about a week ago

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PPTP works on Android

Belial6 Belial6 writes  |  about a year and a half ago

Belial6 (794905) writes "One of my ongoing complaints with Android has been that from very early on, it has included PPTP in the OS, but it never worked. Every time I got a new version of the OS, I would again try to connect to my DD-WRT router, and every time it would fail. I would search the internet for an answer, and from all of search results it appeared that PPTP VPN was just broken in Android. Worse yet, it looked like it was something that was never going to be fixed. It looks like I have the problem is that DNS breaks VPN on Android. I have now tested a Nexus 7, an HTC G2 and a Nexus One. They all work if I put in the IP address directly, and they all fail if I try to resolve the IP via DNS. Has anyone else tried this?"
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Google Betas a new game

Belial6 Belial6 writes  |  more than 6 years ago

Belial6 (794905) writes "I don't know if I'm the only one that missed this, but Google has launched a new game. Image Labeler. The game involves players being randomly matched with other players, and being presented with images. Each player starts typing what they see, and when a match is found, the players get a score based on how common their words are. Fun AND useful!"
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Belial6 Belial6 writes  |  more than 6 years ago

Belial6 (794905) writes "It appears that the question of 'Where's my flying car?' may have an answer. Today Moller announced that they are ready to start selling flying cars. According to the article 'The M200 volantor is a small two passenger saucer shaped aircraft that can take-off and land vertically. It is the size of a small automobile and operates vibration free with little noise. The prototype M200X has completed over two hundred flights with and without a pilot on board. Those who have flown the M200 describe it as a truly "magic carpet" experience.' and 'Prices are dependent upon the final production volume but are expected to range from $125,000 for the M200G model to $450,000 for the Firefly model.'"

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