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Most Americans Support Government Action On Climate Change

CaptainLard Re:in one case, a search and replace update (420 comments)

So you're going with "think of the children...err...grandparents". That always goes over well on ./. Exhibit A:

"Many of these deaths could be prevented and are known as “excess winter deaths.” Age UK said countries which experience much colder temperatures, such as Finland, Germany and France, have significantly lower winter death rates than the UK, because the UK has the oldest houses in the EU."

Apparently there are other factors involved besides heating oil prices. Then there is the classic "they turk urr jerbs!!!" Ignoring all the jobs that would be created with large scale clean energy adoption....not to mention stability. North Dakota is about to loose all the jobs they just got because Saudi Arabia feels like it. And I guess you didn't see any of the examples I cited where sweeping environmental regulations were put in place that fixed the potential problem without any overall economic damage. (For exhibit B see my other post)

Murray Salby. I'll refrain from the ad hominem on him and leave his personal history as an exercise to the reader even so it provides an obvious motive for being a denier (whoops I did it anyway). His argument seems to boil down to something like "natural CO2 emissions fluctuate and follow temperature rather than the other way around and are greater than man made emissions so AGW is no big deal" which might sound like a eureka moment (i.e. Everyone accidentally had it backwards!) but is in fact wrong:

https://andthentheresphysics.w...

Whatreallyhappened...classic data cherry picking for misdirection. I've debunked those enough in similar threads, I'm over it.

Indeed the climate has always been changing. It has been much hotter and much colder on earth. What that statement ignores is that neither of those conditions supported human society! The current bout of climate change is different because it's being caused by humans at an extremely fast rate. Sure the earth will recover but human society might not. If you think elderly deaths are bad, what happens when all of our farms have to move 1000s of miles and the 90ish% of humans that live within ~100miles of a coast have to migrate?

"I'm happy to be corrected" ....sadly, human nature suggests otherwise.

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Most Americans Support Government Action On Climate Change

CaptainLard Re:in one case, a search and replace update (420 comments)

As you know, in these institutions updated there materials in the 1970s to early 1980s, from "OMG panic man-made ice age" to "OMG panic global warming"

Nice myth. The "ice age panic" was one story that made Time magazine at a time when the majority of climate research indicated a warming trend due to human cause CO2 emissions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G...
http://journals.ametsoc.org/do...
And about 1000 other sources if you google "1970 ice age"

I'm not going to try to convince you that AGW is a problem we should address (note I said "should be addressed", not panic over). Instead, are you afraid of something if those crazy scientists from your anecdotes get their way and the Fed institutes CO2 mitigation? Gas prices jump to $20/gallon? The government mandates CO2 trackers worn all the time? Economic disaster circa 2008?

I'll cite the elimination of lead in pretty much everything (no economic catastrophe) and the elimination of CFC's (no economic catastrophe). Also some fun facts on how we got to a point of not worrying about acid rain anymore:

"In 2007, total SO2 emissions were 8.9 million tons, achieving the program's long term goal ahead of the 2010 statutory deadline.[22]

The EPA estimates that by 2010, the overall costs of complying with the program for businesses and consumers will be $1 billion to $2 billion a year, only one fourth of what was originally predicted"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A...

So tell my why addressing CO2 emissions is a bad idea (not that you explicitly stated as much in your comments)

2 days ago
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Most Americans Support Government Action On Climate Change

CaptainLard Re:"Support" != actually sacrifice for (420 comments)

when they go back up to where they were 4 months ago, i dont want a 25% increase on that.
 

The gas tax was still $0.18 4 months ago. In fact, it has been since 1993. If prices went back up you'd be paying something like $3.56 instead of $3.51 with my hypothetical 25% increase. If that breaks your budget, don't be one of the morons that increases the sales rate of low mileage vehicles every time the price of gasoline dips temporarily.

The reason you think the gas tax is enough is because we're not in a crisis yet. This isn't exactly what you wanted but perhaps you could google more than 2 minutes:

"Nationwide in 2010, state and local governments raised $37 billion in motor fuel taxes and $12 billion in tolls and non-fuel taxes, but spent $155 billion on highways.[3] In other words, highway user taxes and fees made up just 32 percent of state and local expenses on roads. The rest was financed out of general revenues, including federal aid."

http://taxfoundation.org/artic...

Here is some data from federal gas tax:

"During 2008 the fund required support of $8 billion from general revenue funds to cover a shortage in the fund. This shortage was due to lower gas consumption as a result of the recession and higher gas prices.[4] Further transfers of $7 billion and $19.5 billion were made in 2009 and 2010 respectively."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H...

Heads are not rolling. They are doing whatever the opposite of rolling is.

2 days ago
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Most Americans Support Government Action On Climate Change

CaptainLard Re:nonpartisan environmental research group (420 comments)

IOW, it's effectively partisan.

So what? That doesn't inherently mean its wrong. Maybe you could point out flaws in their selection of republicans for their survey instead of worthless partisan speculation.

2 days ago
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Most Americans Support Government Action On Climate Change

CaptainLard Re:"Support" != actually sacrifice for (420 comments)

I use gas. I've called and written all of my congressmen to tell them they should raise the gas tax (not that that does any good). Now is a perfect time because if you raise it 25%, no one (aside from fox news et al) is going to notice the difference between $1.82 and $1.87 (gas tax is $0.18 right now). At the very least, index it to inflation.

2 days ago
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Most Americans Support Government Action On Climate Change

CaptainLard Re:exactly extreme exaggeration turns some off (420 comments)

The other day I posted a bunch of examples of leading climate researchers from Stanford, UC Berkeley, and Yale making statements like "by 2010, New York City will be underwater". Well, 2010 has come and gone and NYC is still there.

And you can bet those institutions have ignored the (probably) 30-40 years of additional evidence and have not updated their projections in any way and because some guys were wrong once you can completely ignore everything that comes from whoever they happened to work for at the time in perpetuity.

Side note: A case could be made that in 2010 NYC was underwater...great recession and all...

2 days ago
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Drug Company CEO Blames Drug Industry For Increased Drug Resistance

CaptainLard Re:Hypocrisy (136 comments)

Besides, how many people just throw old pills in the *garbage* ? I'm pretty sure that's the main reason for drug resistance.

Huh, never thought of using a rhetorical question as evidence to unequivocally settle one of the most important health issues we face today. All those doctors must feel silly having wasted all that time researching.

about two weeks ago
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Obama Planning New Rules For Oil and Gas Industry's Methane Emissions

CaptainLard Re:Who's in charge, again? (202 comments)

Fallon? Pisshhh, we were doing balls in your mouth back in highschool. ...no wait, not that way! Thats not what I meant!

about two weeks ago
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Obama Planning New Rules For Oil and Gas Industry's Methane Emissions

CaptainLard Re:Cow farts are to blame (202 comments)

You're probably joking or trolling but why the hell not?!

Cows produce huge amounts of it at regular intervals and its already part of the carbon cycle. Industrialized cattle farming (the cow forklift to slaughterhouse variety) probably releases enough methane to power itself. Plus they are likely located far from a power plant (wide open spaces and all) so you get back all the transmission losses as well! Sounds like a win win to me. Someone should get on it to see if it pans out. I know some farms already employ methane capture for power so why don't all of them?

about two weeks ago
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Obama Planning New Rules For Oil and Gas Industry's Methane Emissions

CaptainLard Re:reduce production (202 comments)

To be fair,

Nahh, thats no fun. If we play the politics game we get some fun facts(ish): Obama has delivered Michelle Bachman's promise of $2 gas (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/aug/19/michele-bachmann-stands-by-2-a-gallon-gas-pledge/) and is on track to deliver Mitt Romney's promise of 12M new jobs (or get real close anyway, 2.5M jobs are currently being added each year). Of course we all know the main connection between administrations and economic issues is taking credit when things are good and getting blamed when things are bad. (That said there are exceptions such as deregulation->mortgage crisis...getting off topic here)

If we want to be fair, these new methane regulations are merely holding oil producers accountable for the consequences of their activities. If that reduces production then its only reverting back to what it should have been all along had all costs been considered at the outset.

Side note: since those industrious oil scamps increased production all on their own without federal handouts (i.e. access to fed managed land) then we no longer need to consider drilling in ANWR and the like, right?

about two weeks ago
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Obama Planning New Rules For Oil and Gas Industry's Methane Emissions

CaptainLard Re:Who's in charge, again? (202 comments)

If congress defunds the EPA, a lot of US citizens will also find some balls....throughout their bodies. Some internally, some externally and some on their pre-existing balls themselves!!!

about three weeks ago
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Obama Planning New Rules For Oil and Gas Industry's Methane Emissions

CaptainLard Re:reduce production (202 comments)

Is his complete failure to reduce production the reason you (likely) hate him? Since Obama took office, oil production has increased 50%:

http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hi...

The reason it's probably going to drop precipitously in the next few months/year is due to the whims of OPEC, not the administration. Do heartland states really want to tie your economies so tightly to how Arabs are feeling?

about three weeks ago
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Ted Cruz To Oversee NASA and US Science Programs

CaptainLard Re:We deserve this guy (496 comments)

The last time the Republcians had the large majority in the House was before the 1929 stock market crash. Something to think about.

While fun to point out, I don't see that as especially relevant. The republicans of the early 1900's are in no way comparable to those we are living with today. Back then they were the progressive party. TR created the federal environmental conservation movement! 40ish years earlier, republicans freed the slaves! Unfortunately at some point, something went drastically awry*

*IM(logic based)O

about three weeks ago
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Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

CaptainLard Re:Free? (703 comments)

Your numbers are bogus.

Maybe, but you haven't proven that. You quoted cost per student. I quoted cost per tax payer, of which there are vastly more of. Second, this guy

http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/d...

Says the cost per student is closer to $10k (if you add all the graphs). I'll give you that private school is still cheaper but for high school its pretty close.

about three weeks ago
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Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

CaptainLard Re:Free? (703 comments)

Who modded you up? The federal government spends (not including loans) about $140B/year on education (http://febp.newamerica.net/background-analysis/education-federal-budget). Thats out of $3.4T so just about 4%. Total tax income is only ~$2.5T so some of that 4% comes from debt but I'll give you the higher percentage anyway. The median tax bracket is 25% so on a salary of $50k/year, the average person has to pay about $500/year on federal education costs.

States spend about 40% on education (http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=2783). The average american has a 10% state tax burden (http://taxfoundation.org/article/annual-state-local-tax-burden-ranking-fy-2011) so they are paying about $2k to the state for education.

A rough estimate for total public education cost to "Most of us" is $2500. How many private schools have yearly tuition for less than that? Community colleges? Colleges? pre-schools???

Thanks for your uniformed and incorrect comment. Sometimes one of these inspires me to (internet) research the topic enough for a properly cited rebuttal and in the process I learn something. Hopefully you do too.

about three weeks ago
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FBI: North Korean Hackers "Got Sloppy", Leaked IP Addresses

CaptainLard Re:A few signs you're clueless. (219 comments)

Your a fucking idiot

Classic. My favorite kind of idiot.

about three weeks ago
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FBI: North Korean Hackers "Got Sloppy", Leaked IP Addresses

CaptainLard Re:Playing devil's advocate (219 comments)

Nahh, you're playing the conspiracy advocate. In light of additional supporting evidence for the established story you're adding more layers of increasingly unlikely scenarios to support your predetermined conclusion. Don't worry, most humans are hard wired to do it.

Like someone above posted, using a NK IP address as a proxy is extremely unlikely since they only have about 1000 total IP addresses. Lucky for you, the conspiracy onion can support an infinite number of layers...so no, I can't prove it wasn't aliens.

about three weeks ago
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CES 2015: FTC Head Warns About Data Grabbed By Smart Gadgets

CaptainLard Contradiction? (62 comments)

The collated data could create a false impression

could easily build up a "deeply personal and startlingly complete picture" of a person's lifestyle

Can both of those be true? I'd imagine corporations are going to work really hard to make sure they figure out the real you...

about three weeks ago
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Hubble Takes Amazing New Images of Andromeda, Pillars of Creation

CaptainLard Re:Stars or noise (97 comments)

Yeah I understand the scale involved. I was just complaining. You can ignore my post and chalk it up to NSFPP (non-space-faring people problems)

about a month ago

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