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Economists Say Newest AI Technology Destroys More Jobs Than It Creates

Curunir_wolf Re:This is not the problem (641 comments)

You see, no mention about my own position on this. Just a chain of cause-and-effect elements.

Totally skewed by your own perceptions, which are incorrect.

You see, under a free and global market there's no way you can avoid (some) corporations to grow to high level; then there's no way you can avoid them (because they are so big) bribing or lobbying government to pass laws in their favour, then rinse an repeat.

This is an assertion without foundation. You're dismissing any of the many corrective features of consumers and competition in the market. You're also assuming that there is no corrective mechanism for corruptions in your assumed democratically elected representative body. You have a lot of assumptions of elements in your model that are not necessary for free markets to exist and thrive. Indeed, history tells us that even huge and abusive corporations like Standard Oil cannot continue indefinitely. Look carefully at the history and you'll see that the "trust busting" activities of the Federal government during that episode was driven by corrupt ambitions of politicians, and the market was ALREADY CORRECTING. Standard Oil was losing market share, and competition, as well as blowback from high-level consumers, was working to bring things back into equilibrium.

Besides, we don't have anything better, or even as good, on a large scale.

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Economists Say Newest AI Technology Destroys More Jobs Than It Creates

Curunir_wolf Re:This is not the problem (641 comments)

Only when you cherrypick your examples.

No need for that. People that complain about capitalism never want to look at more than, at most, about 150 years of history. Look at a minimum of 800-1000 years if you want a significant sample size.

Please, first define capitalism

WTF? So you're going to ask a question like this as some sort of trap, where you pick apart everything I said. I guess you picked this up from Sean Hannity. Not taking the bait, sorry. Find your own definition. It's not hard. Keep in mind that in a free market (that's what I'm talking about, free market capitalism), the producers chase consumer resources. Consumers call the shots by voting for the best producers with their money. It requires enough regulation to prevent violence and fraud from having much of an impact. There's one of the issues with Somalia. It also requires limits on regulation to prevent THAT from having a significant impact on markets. Heavily regulated markets incentive producers to focus their efforts on influencing the regulating authority instead of serving consumer demands.

I'll tell you how cronyism/corporatism becomes unavoidable.

... in your twisted mind that values the well being of the collective more than the rights of individuals, I'm sure it is. Save it for someone that buys your idea that benevolent dictatorships can remain benevolent for any significant length of time.

yesterday
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Economists Say Newest AI Technology Destroys More Jobs Than It Creates

Curunir_wolf Re:This is not the problem (641 comments)

But capitalism *is* the problem: current cronyism/corporatism/fascism seems to be an unavoidable outcome of capitalism

Why? Because you say so? Or because you've seen it *sometimes* happen? I can certainly see that it's happened, but claiming it's an "unavoidable outcome" is simply an assertion without support. In fact, it seems to be a false one, since capitalistic markets have existing in many places throughout history without those issues surfacing.

just as tiranny seems to be an unavoidable outcome of comunism.

Communism doesn't necessarily require an oppressive authority, that's just how it's usually implemented. In small groups, it works very well without a powerful leadership involved, but in large groups it becomes difficult to enforce the required contributions because of the complexity of the matrices of so many relationships. Communism should not require exchanging of tokens for resources, but "Communist" governments never seem to be able to eliminate it.

Maybe your "pure" capitalism is free of those problems, but then comunism is also problem-free... in theory.

Nothing is free of problems when it involves humans. Free market capitalism, however, has the best historical track record for improving living conditions. The biggest problem with it in the US today, IMHO, is the ability to buy and sell representatives and administrators. These people are not supposed be commodities, they are supposed to regulate the markets just enough to maintain a competitive environment in which consumers retain power over the producers. I don't think there is an easy answer to that problem, especially with such a large proportion of the population uninvolved and susceptible to marketing.

2 days ago
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Economists Say Newest AI Technology Destroys More Jobs Than It Creates

Curunir_wolf Re:This is not the problem (641 comments)

But for basically all history, wealth distribution has managed to work on a basis of a very short affluent/powerful class with a majority of peasants/slaves/outclassed. Maybe the 20th century has just been an exception along history and we are just returning to the standard trend.

Yes, exactly. People that forget history is doomed to repeat it. Functioning capitalist markets enabled the vibrant middle class, and now that the elites have fiddled with interventionist policies to the point where capitalism has been transformed into some sort of corporatism/fascism hybrid, they've convinced a lot of people that capitalism is the problem and should be done away with. Why they think it will be better than the dark ages before capitalism I don't know.

2 days ago
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Economists Say Newest AI Technology Destroys More Jobs Than It Creates

Curunir_wolf Re: This is not the problem (641 comments)

Why should I? I'm not among the soon-to-be displaced. By birth and by personal merit I belong to the upper tier of society: the one that cannot be replaced and that stands to gain the most from complete automation. We can finally have a true leisure society, for those who have managed to place themselves in the right circles of course. Too bad for you wage slaves.

This is why we need a wealth tax.

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9th Circuit Will Revisit "Innocence of Muslims" Takedown Order

Curunir_wolf Re:Call me racist and evil and bigoted and everyth (158 comments)

And here we have an example of the most classless form of concession: the insult. You could've just said "Ok, I'm wrong; I accept that seven different GOP-led investigations have uncovered nothing untoward"

Haha. Nice try, jackass. Total strawman, because I never made any assertion about anything, other than the WH narrative was false, and known false. Whether that is "untoward" or not is is an exercise left to those who would interpret the facts. The OP's rant was simply a distraction from his unwillingness to acknowledge facts. Your misguided attack is nothing but a way to distract yourself from uncomfortable truths about your own worldview.

2 days ago
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Federal Court Nixes Weeks of Warrantless Video Surveillance

Curunir_wolf Re:this is ridiculous (435 comments)

I'm all for the forth amendment and all, but having a camera pointed to the outside of his house is no different than having a cop sitting outside the house in a car.

The courts are starting to recognize that using technology in ways like this is different. They've decided that placing a GPS tracker on your car is different than than following you around, and that using infrared scanning of your house is different than a visual inspection, and that searching through your smart phone when they arrest you is different than looking through your wallet.

The reason these things are looked at differently is that courts have recognized that our privacy protections, as conceived in the 18th century, still need to be enforced, and that technology makes violating privacy a lot less costly for law enforcement. That is, there were natural protections due to resource constraints - pervasive surveillance of every citizen was simply not possible. Just because a technology comes along that eliminates those resource requirements does not mean that privacy is no longer protected.

2 days ago
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9th Circuit Will Revisit "Innocence of Muslims" Takedown Order

Curunir_wolf Re:Call me racist and evil and bigoted and everyth (158 comments)

I think you're saying something reasonable here about the warmongers that have been running the country for at least 20 years, and the way they orchestrate a bunch of theatrics to look like opposition when something goes wrong, as if there is anyone in power that's actually opposed to all the killing of brown people and promoting warfare.

Unfortunately, it's really difficult to understand you with Obama's cock so far down your throat.

3 days ago
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9th Circuit Will Revisit "Innocence of Muslims" Takedown Order

Curunir_wolf Re:Call me racist and evil and bigoted and everyth (158 comments)

The only assertion I am making is that "the White House" did NOT tell the truth. That's backed up by the report and the USA Today link. Finding "nothing" doesn't really mean anything, other than we had Mike Morell to take the fall (and get a cushy high-paying gig, spreading propaganda via CBS, plus an "honorary" position on one of the administration's "advisory" boards).

The assertion that "it was bad intelligence" was false (this is, in fact, a lie). Mike Morell testified that he got reports from the CIA describing exactly what had happened, and scratched out everything that indicated Al Queida involvement or an orchestrated terrorist attack. We will never know who was involved in faking up the narrative, because Morell was the fall guy for the whole thing.

Will you acknowledge the facts or continue to defend the corrupt administration as "truthful" and "good" and "above reproach"? Most transparent administration ever?

3 days ago
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Eric Schmidt: To Avoid NSA Spying, Keep Your Data In Google's Services

Curunir_wolf Re:Penny says (280 comments)

Isn't this where he says bazooka or something?

Bazinga!

3 days ago
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9th Circuit Will Revisit "Innocence of Muslims" Takedown Order

Curunir_wolf Re:Call me racist and evil and bigoted and everyth (158 comments)

The White House told the truth

Oh, really??

Yes, really. Or, more precisely: the White House statements were based on the information reported by US intelligence at the time.

Here's the report http://www.intelligence.senate... The relevant part, from the summary, is here: In intelligence reports after September 11, 2012, intelligence analysts inaccurately referred to the presence of a protest at the U.S. mission facility before the attack based on open source information and limited intelligence, but without sufficient intelligence or eyewitness statements to corroborate that assertion. The Intelligence Community took too long to correct these erroneous reports, which caused confusion and influenced the public statements of policymakers.

Oh, right, of course: CANNOT be the fault of the White House. It's "somebody else's fault". We can blame this one on Bush, too, right?

So, we can say they told "the truth", because, of course, the truth is fungible. It doesn't matter if it was completely wrong, or inaccurate, or that they kept promoting the false narrative even after the intelligence reports were corrected, only that we deflect blame before the elections!

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9th Circuit Will Revisit "Innocence of Muslims" Takedown Order

Curunir_wolf Re:Call me racist and evil and bigoted and everyth (158 comments)

LOL @ MediaMatters propaganda.

The White House told the truth

Oh, really??

From ABC: "The "talking points" memo on what the Obama administration should tell the public was the basis for statements made by U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice, who appeared on talk shows five days after the Sept. 11 attack to explain what happened.
Rice insisted the attack emanated from a protest over an anti-Islam video produced in America that turned violent and that terrorism was not involved. The White House has since acknowledged the assault was a preplanned terror attack and no protest happened."

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Warmer Pacific Ocean Could Release Millions of Tons of Methane

Curunir_wolf Re:Only CO2 matters (329 comments)

It obviously isn't accurate, as proven by the 1976 US Standard Atmosphere. Didn't you fucking notice? Just look at the fucking temperature at 50 km.

The temperature chart calculates a temperature of about -17C at 50 Km, with a pressure of about 5.4 mb. That's in line with everything else I can find. What do you think the temperature at 50 km is, anyway?

about a week ago
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Warmer Pacific Ocean Could Release Millions of Tons of Methane

Curunir_wolf Re:i.e. I'm so desperate to deny reality... (329 comments)

again, the only, THE ONLY source for this idiocy is a well known psuedo science website that hosts nothing but discredited BS.

I appreciate Joel's reasoned criticism (you could have just posted a link, but it appears you don't like to reference any of your claims), but it seems all you can come up with is bullshit ad hominems.

claiming that the excess CO2 in the atmospere is the result of "ocean outgassing".

The Earth has had much higher levels of CO2 in the atmosphere before humans were around. And there is certainly plenty of CO2 (and methane) present there, which also makes it into the atmosphere. Clearly there is currently a lot of anthropogenic sources of CO2 today. So I'm not sure what you're referring to that the "authors" said, or why you think it's wrong.

Here, this is their membership page, you more than qualify: http://theflatearthsociety.org... [theflatearthsociety.org]

What a fucking jackass tool you are. Stop posting on the Internet. You're making the whole thing dumber by your presence.

about a week ago
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Warmer Pacific Ocean Could Release Millions of Tons of Methane

Curunir_wolf Re:i.e. I'm so desperate to deny reality... (329 comments)

You are correct - there are issues with Nikolov's ideas (I was actually referencing Jelbring, but some of the ideas are similar), specifically, now can the equilibrium temperature of a black body be different with an atmosphere without GHGs? I don't think it can, but that doesn't mean that the tiny amount of CO2 is going to make up all the difference, and I think it's a good starting point to describe why the "radiative forcing" theory is clearly wrong.

There is a better discussion at (Oh Nos! DENIERS site) Watt's blog, and he has the same problem with those theories himself.

about a week ago
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Warmer Pacific Ocean Could Release Millions of Tons of Methane

Curunir_wolf Re:Only CO2 matters (329 comments)

It's funny that neither you nor the morons you copied your little theory from realized that the Standard Atmosphere model disagrees with the true and only model to explain global warming ("Maxwell gravito-thermal mass/gravity/pressure theory of the 33C "greenhouse effect"" you just touted.

Not sure what you're trying to assert here. There is nothing in the "Maxwell gravito-thermal mass/gravity/pressure theory" that explains global warming - it's used to calculate the average global temperature of a planetary body, and does so very accurately without using "radiative forcing" as a feedback mechanism. That pretty much disproves radiative forcing, since the Maxwell theory is so accurate without it.

BTW if you think "fixed" means constant, why the hell am I even talking to you?

I don't know what your context is, here, but it seems to have changed. You originally said "should be exactly the same temperature all day and all year around at any place on Earth's surface." How is that not "constant". Of course temperature changes, because the climate is chaotic. But we're looking for a global average temperature over a long term. There is no model anywhere that will tell you with any accuracy the surface temperature at any given time. The best we have is using current observations to predict temperature within a few degrees 10 days to 2 weeks out.

about a week ago
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Warmer Pacific Ocean Could Release Millions of Tons of Methane

Curunir_wolf Re:i.e. I'm so desperate to deny reality... (329 comments)

the idea, the concept that your formula controls the earths temperature is what has been disproven.

Because you said so. Got it.

I'll remember who NOT to ask for scientific evidence in the future.

the very concept means that you think the sun has absolutely no effect on earth's temperature.

Incorrect. You need to determine the Earth's base equilibrium temperature with the Sun, which was unknown in the 1970's. We now have satellite observations that give is that (Te = 255K). They didn't have that in 1976, so they used the known surface temperature. But it works just the same with more precise measurements.

that gas theory, that formula, does not and cannot account for the warming trend in any way shape or form. it cannot even account for the basic fundamental difference in temperatures between day and night. nor can it account for the difference in temperatures between the differant locations on the planet, such as the the difference between the poles and the equator.

Neither can any other theory, certainly not the "radiative forcing" theories that drive the climate change alarmism. The formula DOES, however, when combined with satellite observations, DISPROVES "radiative forcing", because it would result in temperatures much higher than we have today. So it cannot be true.

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Warmer Pacific Ocean Could Release Millions of Tons of Methane

Curunir_wolf Re:Only CO2 matters (329 comments)

The 1976 US Standard Atmosphere document and database (which still remains the gold standard today and has not changed despite 39 years of greenhouse gas emissions)

Funny how you suddenly favour a model According to it, it should be exactly the same temperature all day and all year around at any place on Earth's surface. At least according to your interpretation of it.

In this case, not an opaque computer model with unspecified parameters and assumptions as input, but instead a clear mathematical model that can easily be tested.

that at its basis declares a fixed temperature distribution throughout the atmosphere.

Look again, that's exactly the opposite of what the model does.

dT/dh = -g/Cp

where

dT = change in temperature
dh = change in altitude
g = gravitational acceleration constant
Cp = heat capacity at constant pressure

about a week ago
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Warmer Pacific Ocean Could Release Millions of Tons of Methane

Curunir_wolf Re:Only CO2 matters (329 comments)

"Denialist"? Is that the term you CAGW alarmists are using these days to describe "science"? Pretty clever, considering you have completely destroyed the original meaning of the word science into something that is (1) Settled (2) Reported by political committees, and (3) Arrived at by "consensus".

about a week ago

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Neutrinos seem to be exceeding light speed

Curunir_wolf Curunir_wolf writes  |  more than 3 years ago

Curunir_wolf writes "Researchers at Cern have come across a puzzling result: The neutrinos they are emitted from underground to the laboratory detector 732km away appear to be getting there faster than the speed-of-light limit would allow. The experiment, the Oscillation Project with Emulsion-tRacking Apparatus or OPERA, was developed to study the phenomenon of neutrino transmutation (neutrinos changing from one type to another. The speed of the neutrinos, of course, was an entirely unexpected observation. "We wanted to find a mistake — trivial mistakes, more complicated mistakes, or nasty effects — and we didn't." says researcher Antonio Ereditato, "When you don't find anything, then you say 'Well, now I'm forced to go out and ask the community to scrutinise this.'""
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Obama appointee's office raided in bribery sting

Curunir_wolf Curunir_wolf writes  |  more than 5 years ago

Curunir_wolf writes "Just a month after President Obama names Vivek Kundra to the top federal IT position, his D.C. Office is raided by the FBI in a bribery sting. No word on whether Kundra is a object of the investigation."

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Top 10 Movies of All Time

Curunir_wolf Curunir_wolf writes  |  more than 9 years ago Here are my picks for the top 10 movies of all time, in alphabetical order:

  • A Clockwork Orange
  • Back to the Future
  • Bladerunner
  • Breakfast at Tiffany's
  • Casablanca
  • It's a Wonderful Life
  • Rocky
  • Star Wars
  • True Grit
  • The Wizard of Oz

That's it. Not everybody's top 10, but it's mine.

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Anti-GPL Software drones

Curunir_wolf Curunir_wolf writes  |  more than 9 years ago Has anyone noticed how whenever anything positive about Linux, OpenOffice.org, Firefox or other GPL/opensource software shows up in the media, there are always negative responses that show up in letters and responses? I'm not just talking about /. articles, here. It's everywhere in print media, call-in shows, and anything else I've seen. Kim Komando, Popular Mechanics, and similar "layman-accessible" media that addresses tech issues are very popular targets.

Here are some /. examples of the kind of thing I'm talking about:

Ok, I'm too lazy to find more examples now, but I come across them all the time.

I'm not the only person that has noticed these trends on /. Check out this thread

But it's not just slashdot, these folks are all over the place, especially in the mainstream publications. So, is it just that there are a lot of loyal Microsoft fans out there (kind of like Apple zealots, but enamored with Windows), or is it underground marketing? Like Proctor & Gamble spending less on TV spots and more on product placement in movies, has Microsoft turned to promoting "opinions from the man-on-the-street" instead of slick advertising?

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