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Bash To Require Further Patching, As More Shellshock Holes Found

Dcnjoe60 Re:Soon to be patched (325 comments)

second update: apple pushed a patch today. so much for your +5 haterade.

I don't hate apple, I was just pointing out to the AC that OS X was not a free hobby OS and it was impacted, too.

yesterday
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Bash To Require Further Patching, As More Shellshock Holes Found

Dcnjoe60 Re:kids these days... (325 comments)

never had problems like this with CCP.

How do you know? CP/M had a shorter market life than it took to discover this bug.

2 days ago
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Bash To Require Further Patching, As More Shellshock Holes Found

Dcnjoe60 Re:Soon to be patched (325 comments)

Nobody actually said that Linux is more secure. What has been said that security flaws are more likely to be reported and patched before they are exploited. The reason Windows doesn't have problems like this is because they really do. However, Microsoft is very good about non-disclosure agreements and the like. But, security by obscurity isn't really security. It's just marketing and wishful thinking.

As for being burned by this, it hasn't happened. The flaw has been there for 22 years and yet not one exploit has been noted. Nobody has been burned by this because of the difficulty in actually exploiting it (without have physical access to the machine). Should this bug be there? No, of course not. But it is the open source nature of linux that led to this even being reported.

2 days ago
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State of Iowa Tells Tesla To Cancel Its Scheduled Test Drives

Dcnjoe60 Re:Rent a Tesla for $1 (333 comments)

But again, why is it only automobile franchises that are the problem and not all fast food and retail franchises that are anti-competitive?

You have no idea what you're talking about. McDonald's can own stores and franchise the brand at the same time - nobody cares. I have no problem with auto dealers - the issue is that if Tesla wants to sell directly then they should be able to. The only reason to disallow it is to limit competition for entrenched players.

By the way, thanks for playing the part described above. If not you, somebody else would have. But you folks are always good for a laugh.

Tesla isn't wanting to set up their own Tesla owned dealerships. They are wanting to skip the dealership all together. Given the volume of vehicles they are planning on producing, that makes sense from a business perspective. Delorean tried the same thing, which is one of the reasons states without automobile dealer franchise laws added them and those with them, strengthen them.

Yes, people could take their Delorean to a regular mechanic to work on it (and had to in many states). However, that same mechanic can refuse to work on it. A dealer's mechanic can't and they must service the car. Like it or not, those laws were put into place for consumer protection and to protect the franchise owner from the manufacture. Whether they are still needed or not today, is open for debate. However, Tesla could easily get around the law by selling franchises for $1 each. The fact that they are willing to spend a lot of money on attorney fees to challenge the laws probably means there is some other reason they don't want to do that. That's the question people should be asking.

2 days ago
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Ask Slashdot: Multimedia-Based Wiki For Learning and Business Procedures?

Dcnjoe60 Why not.... (96 comments)

Wikis let anybody add and edit data. That is there strength and their weakness. That might be good in some situations, but probably not with business policies and the like. In a business setting, maybe something like Wordpress would suit your needs better as you can imbed multimedia in it. If you have more advanced needs, then maybe Drupal would work.

2 days ago
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Bash To Require Further Patching, As More Shellshock Holes Found

Dcnjoe60 Re:Soon to be patched (325 comments)

Fucking Linux. NEVER AGAIN. At least with mswin, my stations will auto-update. (Not to mention they never would have had such a bone-headed obvious hole to start with.) Christ, even my headless server stations that I never thought I'd have to fuck with again are vulnerable. Goddmammit. This could even compromise accounts I have on remote servers if they are not keeping up-to-the-minute updates. I guess you get what you pay for. Caveat Emptor. I just never thought it would come back to bite me so hard. I suppose you never do.

What makes you think Windows doesn't have problems like this? The difference is that being open source third parties can review the code and find problems. There is no way to keep them secret and from the public. Also, fixes were pushed out within hours of notification.

Look at it this way. BASH has had this problem evidently for years and there haven't been any exploits. It was discovered by researchers analyzing the code. In an MSoft world, where nobody has access to the code but MSoft, the public finds out about security holes after they have been exploited. So I agree, Caveat Emptor.

2 days ago
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Bash To Require Further Patching, As More Shellshock Holes Found

Dcnjoe60 Re:Soon to be patched (325 comments)

You thought you could run a totally free hobbyist OS and have it be as secure as one done by paid professionals?

Be glad its there for you to use at all. People donate their time and energy to it. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

Some would argue that Mac OS X isn't a totally free hobbyist OS and yet, with all of their paid professionals, they have yet to patch the bug. On the other hand, Linux being a free hobbyist OS means that researchers have the ability to scan the code and discover these types of holes. Something that is impossible for closed systems.

2 days ago
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State of Iowa Tells Tesla To Cancel Its Scheduled Test Drives

Dcnjoe60 Re:Rent a Tesla for $1 (333 comments)

If the dealer requirement is removed so direct sells are allowed, expect an influx of inexpensive vehicles from SE Asia with no means of warranty repair or service. Yes, buyer be ware, but really, is it a good idea for the masses to be purchasing vehicles from Amazon?

Strangely, this anarchic sale of cars direct to the public by manufacturers that provide no after sales support has not happened in California. California would provide the best market for this activity, being on the west coast, with a large market.

That is because for the other 49 states, it applies. It wouldn't be a good business model to piss off your other dealers by selling direct in California. Effectively you would be in competition with them. Then, if they changed to other brands, you'd be without a network and the other states don't allow direct sales.

However, as you point out, CA doesn't have this requirement and yet, how many dealerships are franchises versus factory owned and is the level of service significantly different. I would guess not, but the manufactures still use franchised dealerships because it is a much more efficient model for delivering product, produces franchise revenues and it is less costly, in the long run, than owning the dealership itself.

2 days ago
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Kano Ships 18,000 Learn-To-Code Computer Kits

Dcnjoe60 Re:Electricity? What? (51 comments)

You might be interested in a reproduction.

Yeah, I saw that, too. However, I'm not that nostalgic! Thanks! :)

2 days ago
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Kano Ships 18,000 Learn-To-Code Computer Kits

Dcnjoe60 Re:Electricity? What? (51 comments)

Computers Shmomputers, when I was a kid this is what we used to learn programming http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D...

I actually received one of those as a Christmas present back in 1966! It actually was a good learning experience and fun for a nerdy kid.

2 days ago
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State of Iowa Tells Tesla To Cancel Its Scheduled Test Drives

Dcnjoe60 Re:Rent a Tesla for $1 (333 comments)

A little research would tell you that in the early days of the automobile industry, there were 100s of manufactures who would sell their vehicle by mail order and it would arrive by train. However, once this very expensive piece of machinery was in the hands of the consumer, there was no way to solve problems. In addition, many of the manufacturers didn't last very long and the consumer was stuck with a vehicle that couldn't be serviced or repaired. So laws were enacted to protect consumers, including required dealerships.

And if it had only worked.

I buy new cars, and unless it is a warranty replacement item where I have to go to a dealership, they are the absolute last place I ever take a vehicle, overpriced, and completely untrustworthy. And when I do have to go there, I watch them like a hawk.

There is a reason that they are at the bottom of the teast trusted professions below even congressmen! They earned that lack of trust one customer at a time.

So I'm not certain I'd defend car dealerships protectionist racket too much. Tesla might be on more than just electric cars, they might be on a more ethical warranty/repair paradigm.

Do you think if the manufacturers owned the dealerships directly, it would change the support? Do you think it would stimulate competition? In otherwords, is the franchise system the problem or the shoddy ethics of the people working there? Obviously, the manufacturers are aware of the opinion of their franchise dealers and don't do anything about it. Why would anyone think that having the dealer directly own the dealership make any difference?

2 days ago
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State of Iowa Tells Tesla To Cancel Its Scheduled Test Drives

Dcnjoe60 Re:Rent a Tesla for $1 (333 comments)

While I agree that not allowing the test drives is stupid, the whole dealer thing was to protect the consumer from purchasing a vehicle and not having any support for it. If the dealer requirement is removed so direct sells are allowed, expect an influx of inexpensive vehicles from SE Asia with no means of warranty repair or service. Yes, buyer be ware, but really, is it a good idea for the masses to be purchasing vehicles from Amazon?

I just popped in to find the token looney leftist who would inevitably show up to explain that anti-competitive crony "regulation" laws are really there to help the consumer.

Looks like Dcnjoe60 won....

Sticks and stones....

It would seem that selling the right to sell your product is the epitomy of capitalism, is it not? Even Tesla, could comply with the franchise laws by creating a separate company, wholly owned by them and sell the franchises for $1 each.

But again, why is it only automobile franchises that are the problem and not all fast food and retail franchises that are anti-competitive?

2 days ago
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State of Iowa Tells Tesla To Cancel Its Scheduled Test Drives

Dcnjoe60 Re:Rent a Tesla for $1 (333 comments)

While I agree that not allowing the test drives is stupid, the whole dealer thing was to protect the consumer from purchasing a vehicle and not having any support for it.

Shouldn't this be a +5 funny?

oh......you were serious. my bad.

A little research would tell you that in the early days of the automobile industry, there were 100s of manufactures who would sell their vehicle by mail order and it would arrive by train. However, once this very expensive piece of machinery was in the hands of the consumer, there was no way to solve problems. In addition, many of the manufacturers didn't last very long and the consumer was stuck with a vehicle that couldn't be serviced or repaired. So laws were enacted to protect consumers, including required dealerships.

2 days ago
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State of Iowa Tells Tesla To Cancel Its Scheduled Test Drives

Dcnjoe60 Re:Rent a Tesla for $1 (333 comments)

Maybe McDonalds should just sell direct to people, too?

They do. 85% of McDonalds restaurants are franchises. The other 15% are company-operated.

Whether franchising is a good idea or not, there is no reason that it should be a required business practice, either in fast food or automobiles. It is estimated that car dealers add about 8% to the cost of a car. In surveys, a majority of consumers have said they would prefer to buy direct even for NO savings, since they perceive that dealerships add no value whatsoever.

If you re-read my post, you will see I point that out. However, whether the dealership is owned by GM or franchised doesn't make a difference. It is still a retail outlet to purchase the vehicle with all of the same problems. It simply is not practical to build a car in Detroit and send them one by one across the country to people's houses. The franchise is not part of the problem anymore than the hardware store or appliance store is part of the problem. An efficient distribution system requires such outlets.

But why stop with cars, why not have all goods purchased direct from the factory? If nothing else, the trucking industry will profit.

2 days ago
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State of Iowa Tells Tesla To Cancel Its Scheduled Test Drives

Dcnjoe60 Re:Rent a Tesla for $1 (333 comments)

the whole dealer thing was to protect the consumer from purchasing a vehicle and not having any support for it.

Not true. It was to prevent manufacturers from running their own dealerships, which would have, arguably, provided even better service. My experience is that a dealership is the worst place to get your car serviced. Almost any independent mechanic will do a better job for less money.

Actually, in the early days, dealers did sell direct. They switched to franchising dealerships because it brought in capital through franchise fees - auto manufacturing being a high capital endeavor. At the time, it allowed the manufacturers to worry about building vehicles and slough off all the rest of the selling of vehicles it involved. Franchises aren't unique to auto manufactures, many if not most retail establishments are franchised. Maybe McDonalds should just sell direct to people, too?

As for the service you mention, I've had good service at dealerships and I have had poor service at dealerships. I've had good service at independent mechanics and I have had poor service. I've had upselling at both, too. There is nothing inherant in a dealership that makes service quality poor or more costly.

expect an influx of inexpensive vehicles from SE Asia with no means of warranty repair or service.

... except for the tens of thousands of independent mechanics, garages, and body shops.

Really, how many mechanics still work on air cooled volkswagens? There are still plenty of them on the road, but if you own one, unless you are lucky, you need to service it yourself. Why would cheap imports be any different? That's not to say you couldn't get one serviced, but it is unlikely that anybody will stock parts, etc. Look at the flood of inexpensive scooters that hit the US market in the last few years. You could even buy them at grocery stores. Now, go try and get one serviced in a timely manner. Having a dealership might not mean it has the best mechanics, but it does mean they have a vested interested in the product sold.

is it a good idea for the masses to be purchasing vehicles from Amazon?

Yes. They would likely get a better purchase price, and better quality service than from the existing rigged cartel.

Price isn't everything, if it were, we would all be driving Yugos. The US Justice Department estimates that 30% of the purchase price of a new vehicle is attributed to the dealer networks and during the recession speculated that eliminating the dealership would allow the extra funds to help support the auto industry. Note, it wasn't assumed that the consumer would see a reduction in price, only a larger profit margin for the manufacturers to help their bottom line. Likewise, purchasing through Amazon or elsewhere does not guarantee a better purchase price. If you believe in capitalism, then only competition does that. Getting rid of the dealer networks effectivley gets rid of the competition, so if anything, there will be higher prices. As for service, Amazon doesn't provide any, you need to go back to the seller. So, if your car is having problems, hopefully you live near a manufacturing plant.

Besides, right now your dealer gets cars by the truckload. What will happen to the price point, when you have to have a car delivered from the factory to your house? Seems, even if the dealer cost savings were used to lower the consumer price of the product, shipping would kill you. Of course, they could have car depots arranged throughout the country and they could even provide service and maintenance there, but that sounds an awful lot like a dealership.

3 days ago
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State of Iowa Tells Tesla To Cancel Its Scheduled Test Drives

Dcnjoe60 Re:Rent a Tesla for $1 (333 comments)

While I agree that not allowing the test drives is stupid, the whole dealer thing was to protect the consumer from purchasing a vehicle and not having any support for it. If the dealer requirement is removed so direct sells are allowed, expect an influx of inexpensive vehicles from SE Asia with no means of warranty repair or service. Yes, buyer be ware, but really, is it a good idea for the masses to be purchasing vehicles from Amazon?

3 days ago
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Physicists Find Clue as To Why the DNA Double Helix Twists To the Right

Dcnjoe60 Re:Explains Star Trek (120 comments)

That explains why in Star Trek all intelligent life can interbreed despite evolving separately for billions of years. ;)

Actually, they can't. Even Spock's parents had to use medical intervention to make it possible. That said, it is interesting, whether they can interbreed or not, that most of them have the correct genitalia and in the right places to accommodate intercourse.

4 days ago
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Physicists Find Clue as To Why the DNA Double Helix Twists To the Right

Dcnjoe60 Does life depend on the right twist of DNA? (120 comments)

Hopefully, somebody will read past all the political jokes to answer this. I understand why the physicists are hypothesizing as to why DNA twists to the right. My question is whether or not the right twist is required for life or could a left twisted DNA led to life? If DNA must twist right for life to exist, does that preclude life on many of the star systems that could support life because the same condition that led to our right twisting DNA was absent?

4 days ago
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Ask Slashdot: How To Pick Up Astronomy and Physics As an Adult?

Dcnjoe60 Re:Telescopes and camping or night-tours (234 comments)

Many communities have local astronomy clubs. It would be good to join one of those before purchasing a scope. Telescopes have a lot in common with purchasing your first house. What you think you want and what you need are two different things and often not apparent until after the mis-purchase is made. An astronomy club will let you experience various scopes so you have a better idea of what to get to fit your needs. Also, often, there are others in the club looking to upgrade their equipment and will sell there used equipment as a substantial savings.

about two weeks ago
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Apple Locks iPhone 6/6+ NFC To Apple Pay Only

Dcnjoe60 Re:Jailbreak (335 comments)

Even if you jail break the phone, is Apple going to let an app in their store that relies on it? No. What legitimate "pay" vendor is going to risk Apple's ire and legal department to provide an independent app that bypasses the Apple Store?

about two weeks ago

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