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FTDI Removes Driver From Windows Update That Bricked Cloned Chips

Dredd13 Re:Sorry They're Changing (375 comments)

well, as noted elsewhere in this thread:

- The knockoffs *are* shit quality in this case, flaky as hell, causing FTDI to field calls for issues with hardware that isn't even theirs
- knockoff quality is "indeterminate" and -- worse -- without recourse (there is no way to trace back who did shoddy work and get them to make good on the problems they caused)

1 hour ago
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FTDI Removes Driver From Windows Update That Bricked Cloned Chips

Dredd13 Re:Counterfeiters not competitors (375 comments)

Well, as noted, it happens with watchmakers, clothing/accessory companies as well, etc., etc.

1 hour ago
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FTDI Removes Driver From Windows Update That Bricked Cloned Chips

Dredd13 Re:Sorry They're Changing (375 comments)

No, you fail at QC.

What you're describing is what most reputable manufacturers do - they do destructive tests on random samples of each (lot,shift,day,week,whatever), few from the beginning, few from the middle, few from the end. As noted elsewhere, I've personally seen trays and trays of 486SX/DX chips ripped apart by IBM for testing prior to those lots' "acceptance" for use in IBM branded hardware.

So after they receive the hardware (ie, after the shipment swap risk) they test what they received. If the product leaves their possession and comes back (ie, attached to a board), they test samples of THOSE (also, again, destructively).

That QC is baked into the COGS for the product in question.

1 hour ago
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FTDI Removes Driver From Windows Update That Bricked Cloned Chips

Dredd13 Re:Sorry They're Changing (375 comments)

It doesn't absolve you of a need to QC what you're receiving. It just decreases the likelihood of getting bad product.

2 hours ago
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FTDI Removes Driver From Windows Update That Bricked Cloned Chips

Dredd13 Re:Sorry They're Changing (375 comments)

So buy through their designated supply channel and QC what you receive to ensure its provenance. Ask the manufacturer for appropriate QC steps to ensure that you are receiving "genuine product" that they manufactured. Make sure there is suitable indemnification in your contract with the supplier so you have recourse if they slip in bad product.

Again - these are all problems that reputable manufacturers have solved decades ago. It's the fly by nighters who have the most difficulty.

2 hours ago
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FTDI Removes Driver From Windows Update That Bricked Cloned Chips

Dredd13 Re:Sorry They're Changing (375 comments)

You do realize FTDI sells direct, right?

us.sales@ftdichip.com

2 hours ago
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FTDI Removes Driver From Windows Update That Bricked Cloned Chips

Dredd13 Re:Computer Missues Act 1990 (375 comments)

Ah, so just because you haven't installed a working driver for that new hardware you just bought, the hardware is "broken"?

No, of course not.

Contact the manufacturer of the hardware and ask them for the driver. If they cop out and say "use FTDI's", say "FTDI's driver doesn't work with your hardware, where's YOUR driver?"

2 hours ago
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FTDI Removes Driver From Windows Update That Bricked Cloned Chips

Dredd13 Re:Sorry They're Changing (375 comments)

Actually, yes. China's government is very protective of ensuring that buyers are getting what they pay for, because the gov't doesn't want to upset the goose that's laying a Fort Knox worth of golden eggs in their country. The Chinese government knows exactly which side its bread is buttered on.

Chinese manufacturer management personnel who've done this sort of thing in the past with food products have been fucking executed, so don't for a minute think that there's no teeth to such an indemnification.

2 hours ago
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FTDI Removes Driver From Windows Update That Bricked Cloned Chips

Dredd13 Re:Computer Missues Act 1990 (375 comments)

Not at all. It's completely accurate. The chip is still very capable of performing the task it was designed and marketed to do.

Someone just needs to write a driver that will talk to it, and it can happily do it.

2 hours ago
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FTDI Removes Driver From Windows Update That Bricked Cloned Chips

Dredd13 Re:Sorry They're Changing (375 comments)

Then you control your own manufacturing. Lots of companies do that very thing. Or they have very strict contracts with their manufacturers to lay the financial burden at their feet if there is parts-swapping happening.

Reputable manufacturers solve this problem every day. It's the cheap-ass folks trying to go on volume versus quality that have the problems.

2 hours ago
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FTDI Removes Driver From Windows Update That Bricked Cloned Chips

Dredd13 Re:Counterfeiters not competitors (375 comments)

But in this case, the manufacturer didn't choose that 0x0403. The USB working group did.

2 hours ago
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FTDI Removes Driver From Windows Update That Bricked Cloned Chips

Dredd13 Re:Sorry They're Changing (375 comments)

And - as discussed elsewhere in this thread - reputable manufacturers have means of holding their suppliers accountable, both in terms of QCing products they source, and in terms of indemnification for defective merchandise.

2 hours ago
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FTDI Removes Driver From Windows Update That Bricked Cloned Chips

Dredd13 Re:Sorry They're Changing (375 comments)

If Company A isn't demanding test-samples from every shift-run, they're doing their QC wrong. That's just CODB.

3 hours ago
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FTDI Removes Driver From Windows Update That Bricked Cloned Chips

Dredd13 Re:Sorry They're Changing (375 comments)

If that's happening, I sue the bejeezus out of the factory worker. Or I decide "the risk isn't worth it", and control my own manufacturing.

There are solutions to all these problems. They may cost more up-front, but that's -- again -- the market normalizing itself as it weeds out the cancer of fraud.

3 hours ago
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FTDI Removes Driver From Windows Update That Bricked Cloned Chips

Dredd13 Re:Computer Missues Act 1990 (375 comments)

They work.

There's just no driver for them.

3 hours ago
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FTDI Removes Driver From Windows Update That Bricked Cloned Chips

Dredd13 Re:Computer Missues Act 1990 (375 comments)

No, they moved it to "0" ie, unassigned.

3 hours ago
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FTDI Removes Driver From Windows Update That Bricked Cloned Chips

Dredd13 Re:Sorry They're Changing (375 comments)

If you don't understand why you'd care about ensuring that you're using quality components rather than cheaply made knock-off fakes, remind me never to put you in charge of my supply chain.

3 hours ago
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FTDI Removes Driver From Windows Update That Bricked Cloned Chips

Dredd13 Re:Sorry They're Changing (375 comments)

Buy direct. They sell direct. Most chipmakers do.

3 hours ago
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FTDI Removes Driver From Windows Update That Bricked Cloned Chips

Dredd13 Re:Counterfeiters not competitors (375 comments)

The T&C are there. If you've decided to automatically accept updates without reading the T&C you're agreeing to, well, that's your own bad legal judgement.

And -- in this case -- the T&C specifically say that they "may" break counterfeit hardware.

3 hours ago

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