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The Gap Between What The Public Thinks And What Scientists Know

Layzej Re:whose payroll is the scientist on? It matters (485 comments)

Note that a lot of that money is involved in "clean" energy projects which have dual or triple use: reducing pollution, improving arable land, water management, emergency planning for coastal areas, and switching from unsustainable fuel resources to sustainable, less greenhouse gas producing fuels.

It also covered development and launching of satellites which also have dual/triple use.

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Science By Democracy Doesn't Work

Layzej Re:Bias: but for them - not me! (497 comments)

The GISS rate of recorded warming since 2000 is almost double that of HadCRUT4

Wrong. They are not significantly different. This failure to understand statistical significance makes everything you said after incorrect.

2 days ago
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Science By Democracy Doesn't Work

Layzej Re:Bias: but for them - not me! (497 comments)

The recent trend is nearly half the 1970 trend

How do you know? Do you understand what statistical significance means. You use those words a lot but you don't seem to understand them... In fact, Tamino shows that there is no evidence that the 1970-2000 trend hasn't continued apace.

I spoke of GISS showing the greatest warming in the context of the last 15 years

But the GISS warming is not significantly different from HADCRU for ANY period. Cowtan+Way2014 shows that GISS has a cooling bias.

2 days ago
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Science By Democracy Doesn't Work

Layzej Re:Bias: but for them - not me! (497 comments)

We can check this by comparing the ACTUAL trend from 1970-2015

wrong. Try again.

3 days ago
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Science By Democracy Doesn't Work

Layzej Re:Bias: but for them - not me! (497 comments)

From 1970 (the period we are talking about here):

HADCRU4 = 0.162C/decade

GISTEMP = 0.162C/decade

Which is the outlier? You say GISTEMP, but it looks like you're just makin' stuff up again.

3 days ago
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Science By Democracy Doesn't Work

Layzej Re:Bias: but for them - not me! (497 comments)

how much hotter is BEST compared to GISS?

Since 1970:

HADCRU4 = 0.162C/decade

GISTEMP = 0.162C/decade

Which is the outlier? You say GISTEMP, but it looks like you're just makin' stuff up again.

GISS land only = 0.210506/decade

BEST land only = 0.263925/decade

And yes - Cowtan+Way has shown that GISS has a cooling bias.

3 days ago
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Science By Democracy Doesn't Work

Layzej Re:Bias: but for them - not me! (497 comments)

What data-set shows more warming that GISS?

BEST land only shows more than GISS land only.

the hottest data-set..

Wrong. See above.

Skeptics did not create these graphs,

You didn't answer my question. But one crazy at a time. Tamino's method shows that there is no evidence of a deviation from the 1970-2000 trend. Do you get that yet? Do you see now that it is simplistic and wrong to say that there has been no warming since 2000? In fact it is very unlikely that this is true.

3 days ago
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"Mammoth Snow Storm" Underwhelms

Layzej Re:Quality Journalimism (397 comments)

I tuned into "Rush" today for some entertainment. According to El Rushmo, the NWS is full of liberals who love crisis... As for the crisis part, I could only think of Fox News with its constant "ALERT" banners.

Sounds like 'they' may have infiltrated Fox news too... I had thought them the last bastions of truth... unless Fox is just a witless patsy?

4 days ago
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Science By Democracy Doesn't Work

Layzej Re:Bias: but for them - not me! (497 comments)

GISS has been shown to have a cooling bias by Cowtan+Way 2014. BEST shows the same. GISS is hardly an outlier. It's middle of the road.

Either way - even with RSS Tamino's method shows that there is no evidence that the 1970-2000 trend has slowed. So no- wrongo bongo.

As for sea ice, it's about average.

Ha! You can't see the forest if there's a tree that confirms your preconception. Your willing to dismiss this because we have reached 'average' during northern hemisphere winter? This is especially comical since 'average' on your chart is getting lower with each passing year. That is about the level of skepticism I've come to expect from deniers.

4 days ago
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Science By Democracy Doesn't Work

Layzej Re:Bias: but for them - not me! (497 comments)

Ok. So what is the actual underlying trend since 2000? Based on the 2 sigma confidence intervals we clearly cannot reject cooling of 0.05 C/decade or warming of 0.216 C/decade, although these are on the very outside of the probability distribution and are therefor unlikely.

Based on Tamino's analysis, continuation of the trend from 1970-2000 cannot be rejected.

Based on physics? The properties of CO2 have not changed with the new millennium, so all else being equal we should expect a continuation of the long term trend.... but of course all else is not equal.

Certainly the solar output has taken a nose dive. That will have reduced the trend: http://woodfortrees.org/plot/p...

On the other hand polar ice extent has decreased overall (summer ice extent more so) so reflectivity (albedo) is diminished. That will have increased the trend: http://woodfortrees.org/plot/n...

Aerosols are the biggest wildcard as they are difficult to measure and their impact is difficult to gauge.

Bottom line, it is simplistic and wrong to say that there has been no warming since 2000. In fact, it is very unlikely that this is true.

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"Mammoth Snow Storm" Underwhelms

Layzej Re:Quality Journalimism (397 comments)

Not just conspiracy between agencies, but countries. Environment Canada [weather.gc.ca] is predicting the same storm hitting the east coast.

Uh oh! This is bigger than we thought! NWO? Illuminati? Who else would have the power to pull this off?

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"Mammoth Snow Storm" Underwhelms

Layzej Re:Quality Journalimism (397 comments)

My favourite part of the post is "exceeding the threshold of honest mistake" - implying that there was some dishonest conspiracy between the various weather agencies to over-predict. For what nefarious reason, we can only speculate... and who is the mastermind behind this? Maybe George Soros is trying to drive down the price of auto dealerships so that he can get them at a steal, but we can't know for sure. Al we know for sure is:

  1. 1) Rig all weather forecasts so that cities shut down the roads.
  1. 2) ???
  1. 3) Profit!

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Davos 2015: Less Innovation, More Regulation, More Unrest. Run Away!

Layzej Re: Regulation? (339 comments)

Middle class incomes are higher in Canada.

Maybe not anymore. The current government bet our future on the Alberta oil fields. As a result the Canadian dollar is tumbling along with the price of oil. Income is in CDN$ so it falls as well.

4 days ago
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Science By Democracy Doesn't Work

Layzej Re:Bias: but for them - not me! (497 comments)

Tamino says: "Assuming global warming continues without slowing down, we would have expected this," with an accompanying graph that extrapolates the long-term trend from 1970.

Then he says: "This is what actually happened," with an accompanying graph clearly showing a long term trend-line from 1970-2015.

Ok. Two paragraphs in and you already have it wrong. Look again. No 1970-2015 trend was added at this time. He is not comparing trend lines. Only the data was added after "This is what actually happened,"

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Science By Democracy Doesn't Work

Layzej Re:Bias: but for them - not me! (497 comments)

I think Nasa's Gavin Schmidt is better positioned to understand what Tamino has done than you are

I'm sure he is, but he is not describing Tamino's analysis. He is describing his own. That is plain as day for anyone who has read Tamino's analysis. Please do so!

It's too bad Tamino does not say explicitly what his graph represents.

You are daft. He says exactly what it represents. It is not difficult. Read it.

5 days ago
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Science By Democracy Doesn't Work

Layzej Re:Bias: but for them - not me! (497 comments)

You are linking to a different site showing a different thing you dolt! I'm not talking about the realClimate analysis! Lord! I only linked the exact site that I'm referring to about a dozen times! Once more - here it is: https://tamino.wordpress.com/2...

You can read right? Please do and stop wasting my time.

5 days ago
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Science By Democracy Doesn't Work

Layzej Re:Bias: but for them - not me! (497 comments)

Ah. I see your confusion. You don't really understand what Tamino did. He did not compare 1970-2000 with 1970-2015. No wonder you are confused. He compared 1970-2000 with 2000-2015. Just as you have shown in your first link above. So no, that's not a gotcha. That's exactly what he is doing. Now he has also shown what you would predict for 2000-2015 if the 1970-2000 trend had continued. Guess what he found? Recent warming is exactly in line with what we would expect if the 1970-2000 trend had continued to present day. This is really not that tricky. Please take a moment to read the link before you make your next post. What a waste of time! You are arguing from ignorance and for no good reason!

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How a Founder of Modern Biology Got Suckered by Flat-Earthers

Layzej Layzej writes  |  about two weeks ago

Layzej (1976930) writes "In January of 1870, John Hampden proposed a wager that challenged "all the philosophers, divines and scientific professors in the United Kingdom to prove the rotundity and revolution of the world from Scripture, from reason, or from fact. He will acknowledge that he has forfeited his deposit, if his opponent can exhibit, to the satisfaction of any intelligent referee, a convex railway, river, canal, or lake."

To Alfred Russel Wallace this sounded like easy money. Poor Wallace thought that Hampden only needed to be shown some proof in order to accept the plain fact that the earth is round. He knew nothing of Hampden and his ilk, or he may never have accepted the wager. But in addition to wanting to win a cool £500, he believed “that a practical demonstration would be more convincing than the ridicule with which such views are usually met.” He was about to find out that practical demonstrations have absolutely no effect on these truest of true believers.

Scientific American describes the events that followed. In the end Wallace and his family were subjected to death threats, and the wager cost him several hundred pounds and no end of trouble."

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2014 - Hottest Year on Record

Layzej Layzej writes  |  about a month ago

Layzej (1976930) writes "Data from three major climate-tracking groups agree: The combined land and ocean surface temperatures hit new highs this year, according to the United States' National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), the United Kingdom's Met Office and the World Meteorological Association.

If December's figures are at least 0.76 degrees Fahrenheit (0.42 degrees Celsius) higher than the 20th century average, 2014 will beat the warmest years on record, NOAA said this month. The January-through-November period has already been noted as the warmest 11-month period in the past 135 years, according to NOAA's November Global Climate Report. Scientific American reports on five places that will help push 2014 into the global warming record books."

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Republican lawmaker takes stand in favor of teaching "most up-to-date science"

Layzej Layzej writes  |  about a month ago

Layzej (1976930) writes "The National Journal reports: Republican state Rep. John Patton will introduce legislation early this week to overturn a statewide ban on a set of K-12 science-education standards that teach the scientific consensus on global warming. The standards were finalized last year by a coalition of scientists and educators. But the guidelines have faced fierce political pushback in states such as Oklahoma, South Carolina, and Wyoming. In March, Wyoming Republican Gov. Matt Mead signed legislation blocking the state Board of Education from approving the standards amid uproar over their climate content. Now Rep. Patton is hoping to undo the ban.

Patton is not a climate-change crusader. He believes the climate is changing but says that he does not know how much human activity contributes to that. But Patton says that his personal opinions are irrelevant. "What I believe about global warming doesn't matter. We want students to have access to the most up-to-date science. Kids should have a chance to learn the science," Patton said."

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Skeptics would like media to stop calling science deniers "skeptics"

Layzej Layzej writes  |  about a month and a half ago

Layzej (1976930) writes "Prominent scientists, science communicators, and skeptic activists, are calling on the news media to stop using the word “skeptic” when referring to those who refuse to accept the reality of climate change, and instead refer to them by what they really are: science deniers. “Not all individuals who call themselves climate change skeptics are deniers. But virtually all deniers have falsely branded themselves as skeptics. By perpetrating this misnomer, journalists have granted undeserved credibility to those who reject science and scientific inquiry.”"
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Global Warming Since 1997 Underestimated by Half

Layzej Layzej writes  |  about a year ago

Layzej (1976930) writes "A new paper shows that global temperature rise of the past 15 years has been greatly underestimated. The reason is that the weather station network covers only about 85% of the planet. Satellite data shows that the parts of the Earth that are not covered by the surface station network, especially the arctic, have warmed exceptionally fast over the last 15 years. Most temperature reconstructions simply omit any region not covered. A temperature reconstruction developed by NASA somewhat addresses the gaps by filling in missing data using temperatures from the nearest available observations. Now Kevin Cowtan (University of York) and Robert Way (University of Ottawa) have developed a new method to fill the data gaps using satellite data.

The researchers describe their methods and findings in this youtube video. "The most important part of our work was testing the skill of each of these approaches in reconstructing unobserved temperatures. To do this we took the observed data and further reduced the coverage by setting aside some of the observations. We then reconstructed the global temperatures using each method in turn. Finally, we compared the reconstructed temperatures to the observed temperatures where they are available... While infilling works well over the oceans, the hybrid model works particularly well at restoring temperatures in the vicinity of the unobserved regions."

The authors note that "While short term trends are generally treated with a suitable level of caution by specialists in the field, they feature significantly in the public discourse on climate change.""
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Global warming forcasts prove accurate

Layzej Layzej writes  |  about 2 years ago

Layzej (1976930) writes "A recent Slashdot story noted a 1981 paper that predicted a rise in global mean temperatures and turned out to be surprisingly accurate — if a bit conservative. The guardian reports on a new paper that explores the performance of a forecast published in 1999. The new study predicted that the decade ending in December 2012 would be a quarter of degree warmer than the decade ending in August 1996 – and this proved correct to within a few hundredths of a degree. Compared to the forecast, the early years of the new millennium were somewhat warmer than expected. More recently the temperature has matched the level forecasted very closely" This relative slowdown has caused some journalists to speculate that global warming may have stopped. This paper shows that this is not the case. The author of the paper, Myles Allen, notes: "Of course, we should expect fluctuations around the overall warming trend in global mean temperatures (and even more so in British weather!), but the success of these early forecasts suggests the basic understanding of human-induced climate change on which they were based is supported by subsequent observations.""
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Paper on conspiratorial thinking invokes conspiratorial thinking

Layzej Layzej writes  |  about 2 years ago

Layzej (1976930) writes "Last summer a paper investigating the link between conspiratorial thinking and the rejection of climate science provoked a response on blogs skeptical of the scientific consensus that appeared to illustrate the very cognitive processes at the center of the research. This generated data for a new paper titled "Recursive fury: Conspiracist ideation in the blogosphere in response to research on conspiracist ideation" The researchers reviewed the reactions for evidence of conspirational thinking including the presumption of nefarious intent, perception of persecution, the tendency to detect meaning in random events, and the ability to interpret contrary evidence as evidence that the conspiracy is even greater in scope that was originally believed. Some of the hypotheses promoted to dismiss the findings of the original paper ultimately grew in scope to include actors beyond the authors, such as university executives, a media organization, and the Australian government. It is not clear whether the response to this paper will itself provide data for further research, or how far down this recursion could progress. I fear the answer may be "all the way""
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2012 another record-setter, fits climate forecasts

Layzej Layzej writes  |  more than 2 years ago

Layzej (1976930) writes "Fox News reports: In 2012 many of the warnings scientists have made about global warming went from dry studies in scientific journals to real-life video played before our eyes. As 2012 began, winter in the U.S. went AWOL. Spring and summer arrived early with wildfires, blistering heat and drought. And fall hit the eastern third of the country with the ferocity of Superstorm Sandy. Globally, five countries this year set heat records, but none set cold records. 2012 is on track to be the warmest year on record in the United States. Worldwide, the average through November suggests it will be the eighth warmest since global record-keeping began in 1880 and will likely beat 2011 as the hottest La Nina year on record. America's heartland lurched from one extreme to the other without stopping at "normal." Historic flooding in 2011 gave way to devastating drought in 2012. But the most troubling climate development this year was the melting at the top of the world. Summer sea ice in the Arctic shrank to 18 percent below the previous record low.
These are "clearly not freak events," but "systemic changes," said climate scientist Stefan Rahmstorf of the Potsdam Institute in Germany. "With all the extremes that, really, every year in the last 10 years have struck different parts of the globe, more and more people absolutely realize that climate change is here and already hitting us.""

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Report: Climate change behind rise in weather disasters

Layzej Layzej writes  |  more than 2 years ago

Layzej (1976930) writes "A new report by reinsurance company Munich Re finds that North America has been most affected by weather-related extreme events in recent decades. The study shows a nearly quintupled number of weather-related loss events in North America for the past three decades, compared with an increase factor of 4 in Asia, 2.5 in Africa, 2 in Europe and 1.5 in South America. Anthropogenic climate change is believed to contribute to this trend, though it influences various perils in different ways. Climate change particularly affects formation of heat-waves, droughts, intense precipitation events, and in the long run most probably also tropical cyclone intensity. Even after adjusting for population spread and increased property values, Munich Re still says there were significant increases in the costs of weather disasters. At the same time non-climatic events (earthquakes, volcanos, tsunamis) have hardly changed. Some have cautioned that thirty years is not an appropriate length of time for a climate analysis, however the findings are consistent with expectations set out in the Fourth Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) as well as in the special report on weather extremes and disasters (SREX)."
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The Motivated Rejection of Science

Layzej Layzej writes  |  more than 2 years ago

Layzej (1976930) writes "New research to be published in a forthcoming issue of Psychological Science has found that that those who subscribed to one or more conspiracy theories or who strongly supported a free market economy were more likely to reject the findings from climate science as well as other sciences. The researchers, led by UWA School of Psychology Professor Stephan Lewandowsky, found that free-market ideology was an overwhelmingly strong determinant of the rejection of climate science. It also predicted the rejection of the link between tobacco and lung cancer and between HIV and AIDS. Conspiratorial thinking was a lesser but still significant determinant of the rejection of all scientific propositions examined, from climate to lung cancer. Curiously, public response to the paper has provided a perfect real-life illustration of the very cognitive processes at the center of the research."
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A Conservative's Approach to Combating Climate Change

Layzej Layzej writes  |  more than 2 years ago

Layzej (1976930) writes "Law professor Jonathan H. Adler writes that even if the contrarians are right, and global warming ends up on the lower end of the projections, it will still produce property rights violations — an idea that is antithetical to Libertarian philosophy. Critical of the current EPA regulations and of cap and trade legislation, Adler proposes four conservative approaches to combating climate change including technology inducement prizes, reducing procedural barriers to the development and deployment of alternative technologies, and adopting a revenue-neutral carbon tax. This last point is gaining traction among republican thought leaders who feel that we have a fundamentally backward system in the United States that imposes taxes on things people want more of: income and jobs. At the same time, the U.S. allows something we want less of — carbon dioxide pollution — to be emitted without penalty."
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Canadian scientists muzzled by government

Layzej Layzej writes  |  more than 2 years ago

Layzej (1976930) writes "Prior to the International Polar Year 2012 conference in Montreal, Canadian government scientists were warned not to talk to the media without governmental supervision. The message sent to scientists was clear: Big Brother is watching you. This is one of several recent examples where the Canadian government attempted to intimidate scientists into not saying anything that might be considered “off-message”. But worrying about what might or might not be off-message is not the responsibility of a scientist. Scientists should only worry about being honest about their data and how to best communicate their findings. If those findings happen to go against government policy, that should never be a scientist’s problem."
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Last bastion for climate dissenters crumbling.

Layzej Layzej writes  |  more than 2 years ago

Layzej (1976930) writes "The New York Times reports: "For decades, a small group of scientific dissenters has been trying to shoot holes in the prevailing science of climate change, offering one reason after another why the outlook simply must be wrong." Initially they claimed that weather stations exaggerated the warming trend. This was disproven by satellite data which shows a similar warming trend. Next solar activity was blamed for much of the warming. This looked like a promising theory until the 80's when solar output started to diverge from global temperatures. Now, climate contrarians are convinced that changes in cloud cover will largely mitigate the warming caused by increased CO2. The New York Times examines how even this last bastion for dissenters is crumbling. Over the past few years, Several papers have shown that rather than being a mitigating factor, changes in cloud cover due to warming may actually enhance further warming."
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NASA Chief Scientist responds to ex-employees

Layzej Layzej writes  |  more than 2 years ago

Layzej (1976930) writes "Last week a fellow at the Heartland Institute, a group now notorious for their plan to subvert public science education, gathered a coalition of 49 ex-NASA employees to sign a petition urging NASA to reconsider its position on climate change. For perspective, NASA currently employes over 18,000 people, and there are likely tens of thousands of ex-employees. In their letter the group requested that NASA refrain from publishing unproven remarks. Since no theory can ever be considered proven, this appears to be an attempt to silence discussion. NASA Chief Scientist Waleed Abdalati has since responded: "Our Earth science programs provide many unique space-based observations and research capabilities to the scientific community to inform investigations into climate change... After these studies have met the appropriate standards of scientific peer-review, we strongly encourage scientists to communicate these results to the public. If the authors of this letter disagree with specific scientific conclusions made public by NASA scientists, we encourage them to join the debate in the scientific literature or public forums rather than restrict any discourse.""
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30-year-old global temperature predictions close to spot-on

Layzej Layzej writes  |  more than 2 years ago

Layzej (1976930) writes "The Register reports on a 30 year old paper published in Science in 1981 that projected global mean temperatures up to the year 2100. "When the 1981 paper was written, temperatures in the northern hemispheres were declining, and global mean temperatures were below their 1940 levels. Despite those facts, the paper's authors confidently predicted a rise in temperature due to increasing CO2 emissions." The prediction turns out to be remarkably accurate — even a bit optimistic. The article concludes that the 1981 paper is "a nice example of a statement based on theory that could be falsified and up to now has withstood the test.""
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Tennessee senate passes "monkey bill"

Layzej Layzej writes  |  more than 2 years ago

Layzej (1976930) writes "The Tennessee Senate has passed a bill that allows teachers to "teach the controversy" on evolution, global warming and other scientific subjects. Critics have called it a "monkey bill" that promotes creationism in classrooms. In a statement sent to legislators, eight members of the National Academy of Science said that, in practice, the bill will likely lead to "scientifically unwarranted criticisms of evolution." and that "By undermining the teaching of evolution in Tennessee's public schools, HB368 and SB893 would miseducate students, harm the state's national reputation, and weaken its efforts to compete in a science-driven global economy,""
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Ken Cuccinelli's climate-change witch hunt

Layzej Layzej writes  |  more than 2 years ago

Layzej (1976930) writes ""IF VIRGINIA Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli II (R) needs examples of official waste and abuse as he runs for governor, he could cite the harassment that he conducted against climate scientist Michael E. Mann, a costly episode of government overreach that is finally over.

The state’s highest court wrote in an opinion that Cuccinelli lacked the authority to subpoena records — including e-mails, drafts and handwritten notes — from the University of Virginia involving well-known climate scientist Michael Mann’s research. Now that the Supreme Court has shut Mr. Cuccinelli down, what’s left is a range of consequences that can only hurt the commonwealth. The university had to raise nearly $600,000 for legal fees — money the cash-strapped university should have been able to use for something productive. On top of that are the public resources of the attorney general’s office that Mr. Cuccinelli wasted. Scientists in Virginia now have reason to wonder whether they will suffer similar pressure if they publish research government officials don’t like."

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AAAS president "Scared to Death" of New Dark Era

Layzej Layzej writes  |  more than 2 years ago

Layzej (1976930) writes "Nina Fedoroff, the president of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS), recently confessed at an 8000 member strong meeting that she is scared to death "we are sliding back into a dark era." She stated that she is "profoundly depressed at just how difficult it has become merely to get a realistic conversation started on issues such as climate change or genetically modified organisms." Her remarks are backed by a recently published Union of Concerned Scientists report, that chronicles the methods used by corporate businesses to harass individual scientists, ghost-write scientific articles to raise doubts about government research, and undermine the use of science to form government policy. Discover Magazine gives specific examples such as the Heartland Institute's recently revealed plan to subvert public science education, as well as the offer by the the American Enterprise Institute of $10,000 a pop to each scientists or economists who was willing to write op-eds or essays critiquing the IPCC climate report — before it was even published. The AAAS meeting was "set against a background of an entire intellectual discipline that realises that it, and its practitioners, are now under sustained attack.""
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Source of Leaked Heartland Documents Revealed

Layzej Layzej writes  |  more than 2 years ago

Layzej (1976930) writes "Scientist and journalist Peter Gleik has has admitted to leaking documents that reveal the internal strategies of the Heartland Institute.. In his statement he writes "At the beginning of 2012, I received an anonymous document in the mail describing what appeared to be details of the Heartland Institute's climate program strategy. It contained information about their funders and the Institute's apparent efforts to muddy public understanding about climate science and policy. I do not know the source of that original document but assumed it was sent to me because of my past exchanges with Heartland and because I was named in it.

Given the potential impact however, I attempted to confirm the accuracy of the information in this document. In an effort to do so, and in a serious lapse of my own and professional judgment and ethics, I solicited and received additional materials directly from the Heartland Institute under someone else's name. The materials the Heartland Institute sent to me confirmed many of the facts in the original document, including especially their 2012 fundraising strategy and budget. I forwarded, anonymously, the documents I had received to a set of journalists and experts working on climate issues."

The Guardian writes "while acts of deception cannot be condoned, it is also important to note that the documents obtained by Gleick provide an insight into how some of those groups that are fundamentally opposed to reducing emissions of greenhouse gases attempt to convey the impression that their arguments are founded on science rather than on ideology.""

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Heartland Institute threatens to sue anyone who comments on leaked documents

Layzej Layzej writes  |  more than 2 years ago

Layzej (1976930) writes "Bloggers around the world have been commenting on recently leaked Heartland Institute documents that reveal their internal strategies to discredit climate science. These posters are now under threat of legal action. According to the Heartland Institute "the individuals who have commented so far on these documents did not wait for Heartland to confirm or deny the authenticity of the documents. We believe their actions constitute civil and possibly criminal offenses for which we plan to pursue charges and collect payment for damages"

Are hundreds of slashdotters now at risk after having commented when the story was posted here?"

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